Line #42 YMMV/Gungrave


1	!!Tropes That Apply To Both Series
2	* AdaptationDisplacement: Wait, the anime is loosely based off of a lesser-known arcade-style third person shooter?
3	* BrokenBase:
4	** Those who like the games tend to complain the lack of cool actions in the anime, while those who like the anime can hardly get into the games due to the lack of plot and CharacterDevelopment.
5	** The anime's ending. Is it too depressing or just bittersweet and fitting for the whole plot of the anime?
6	** Grave's cowboy outfit and most of the character designs. Those who enjoy the anime (or [[AdaptationDisplacement watch the anime first]] before playing the game, and ends up preferring the anime over the game) frequently complain that the design is ridiculous and out of place despite having been simplified in the anime. On the other hand, those who enjoy the game does not like the fact that the character designs for the anime are mostly simplified.
7	* EnsembleDarkHorse:
8	** Bunji is the most popular out of the Big Four.
9	** Especially in the anime, Bear is right up next thanks to his ConflictingLoyalty, sheer love for his daughter, and [[spoiler:his last moments]].
10	* HilariousInHindsight:
11	** Gungrave is a 2002-2004 series. Harry's title as Millennion's boss is 'Bloody Harry,' and he creates a lot of zombie fighters (Deadmen/Orgmen) to do the work for him. One of the jobs is protecting him from the undead gunslinger Brandon 'Beyond the Grave' Heat, who aims to kill him. Then there's a title of a 2014 flash game titled [[http://www.kongregate.com/games/TargetDetected/bloody-harry 'Bloody Harry,']] which involves killing zombies.
12	** In both version, Brandon is dead and wakes up to fight 13 years later as a deadman/necrolyzer. Gungrave OD is the last game of the series before it becomes dead silent, and 13 years later, the series is coming back as a VR game.
13	* HoYayShipping:
14	** Bob Poundmax and Balladbird Lee seem to be "very close friends".
15	** There's some slashy implications between Brandon and Harry as well. Arguably more than "some."
16	** Come to think of it Bunji and Brandon as well.
17	*** Pick any two guys and you can conceivably see this: Harry and Lee, Cannon Vulcan and Blood War, Bear and... [[{{Squick}} Okay, maybe not Bear.]]
18	*** Bear and Sid.
19	* MoralEventHorizon:
20	** [[spoiler:Harry shooting an unarmed Brandon after Brandon can't bring himself to shoot Harry. This single incident is what sends Harry JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope, and in the anime he's so [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone fully aware of it]] that he has to convince his own conscience to the contrary.]]
21	** In the anime, Harry claims that Randy betrayed him [[spoiler:and sends Bunji to kill him by setting his car on fire while he's trapped inside]]. Randy is just sending some spies to watch over Harry's money laundering activity...and Randy is also the person who lets Harry and Brandon join the Millennion and recommends them into the Family, which helps them climb the ladder rather quickly.
22	* {{Narm}}:
23	** Although it applies to the games way more than it does the anime (mainly the first half), the series wears its symbolism on its sleeve to a rather excessive degree, and just plain gets over-the-top with its action. We also get names like Rocketbilly Redcadillac.
24	** And if that doesn't get to you, Grave running around in a cowboy outfit as an undead super soldier carrying a portable cannon inside of a coffin while going GunsAkimbo with a pair of overly-fancy handguns while channeling ''Film/{{Equilibrium}}'' is just so gosh-darned filled to the brim with craziness that it can be downright unintentionally hilarious.
25	* NarmCharm: Of course, for those that don't find it too crazy or cheesy, it gets the intended effect across of just being ''awesome'' for the sake of awesome.
26	* StrangledByTheRedString: Maria and [[spoiler:Big Daddy]].
27	* TheWoobie: Arguably Mika ''and'' Grave.
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30	!!Tropes That Apply To The Video Games
31	[[AC:General]]
32	* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic:
33	** As to be expected of Tsuneo Imahori. The soundtrack has a cool classic rock and jazz infused feel to it, with [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc1yg5-juX8 the boss battle theme]], and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwPxxLpS_ss Here Comes The Rain]] being particular standouts.
34	** The sequel has an even better soundtrack, bringing in more styles to the mix. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiQQRv1uUws Fangoram's theme]] is a particularly good one.
35	* CommonKnowledge: It's often thought that [[WhatCouldHaveBeen the cancelled]] ''Manga/{{Trigun}}'' video game ''The Planet Gunsmoke'' was reworked into ''Gungrave''. In actuality, ''Gungrave'' and ''The Planet Gunsmoke'' were revealed at the exact same event, with ''Gungrave'' being announced ''before'' ''The Planet Gunsmoke''.
36	* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome:
37	** [[spoiler: When Brandon gets his revenge, after a long and TEDIOUS fight you're treated with a cutscene, and Harry says that you must finish him off, in a bit of a twist, nothing happens, because it's A GAMEPLAY SITUATION, the camera is put in an angle that looks like a cutscene, so all you have to do is press square, you hear the shot and the screen fades to black]]. [[EarnYourHappyEnding After that, Grave and Mika go out to live in somewhere else.]]
38	** The boss-ending [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverKill Demolition Shots]]. ''All of them''. The ones against Fangoram especially.
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40	[[AC:Gungrave]]
41	* Has [[YMMV/Gungrave2002 it's own page]].
42	[[AC:Gungrave Overdose]]
43	* AnticlimaxBoss: Garino's second phase leaves a lot to be desired. Due to him constantly slowing the player down with his time power, even if you use your own time slowing power, the fight boils down to taking advantage of your auto-Demolition Shot refills and them blasting him with said Demolition Shots to tear away large chunks of his HP.
44	* ContestedSequel: While the characters and certain quality-of-life improvements introduced in Overdose have been praised, opinions on the the game itself is divided. The length and SequelDifficultySpike are particular dividing points, with many either appreciating the longer campaign and higher difficulty, or feeling the game suffers from padding and FakeDifficulty. The VisualNovel-style cutscenes, however, are unanimously panned for their poor quality.
45	* {{Padding}}: The major flaw with ''Overdose'' is a lot of the levels are stretched too long or has obtuse and tedious ways to progress. And the game is not always clear on where you're supposed to go or destroy to progress. You have the first game which was 2 hours at most, stretched to an 8 hour game with not much to support an overly long campaign. Other than multiple characters, who go through the exact same levels as Grave with only small dialogue changes and different gameplay styles. It doesn't help that if you don't do well enough to upgrade your Demolition Shots, you'll have to do a second playthrough to get the ones you missed.
46	* ScrappyMechanic:
47	** Though it does streamline the movement from the first game, the camera in ''Overdose'' does not improve that much and there are plenty of levels that put you in tight, narrow, corridors where the camera is at its worst.
48	** Platforming whenever it shows up in ''Overdose''. Especially in the final level where failing a jump respawns enemies to an absurd to degree, the platforming is very finnicky, and failing a jump spawns suicide bombers on the ground floor every single time.
49	* SoBadItsGood: On one hand, the name Rocketbilly Redcadillac is trying so hard to be awesome that it's just stupid. On the other hand, it's so stupid that it loops back around to awesome again.
50	* ThatOneBoss: [[ClimaxBoss Fangoram]] will absolutely make your day miserable if you try to fight him as Gungrave. His attacks hurt like hell and also restrict your movements immensely by creating metallic pillars whenever he uses certain attacks. If he successfully boxes you in with his pillars and you don't have Gungrave's stronger Demolition Shots to destroy them, then ''god help you'' because it's ensured that he'll tear through your HP very, ''very quickly''.
51	* ThatOneLevel: Stage 4 is a DifficultySpike where the enemies can tear you to shreds and overwhelm you in numbers, and ends with a fight against one then [[DualBoss two drones]], which are considered to be one of the hardest fights in the entire game.
52	* [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter They Wasted A Perfectly Good Cast]]: More than a few fans have said that the characters introduced in ''Gungrave: Overdose'' would have been better off in their own series'.
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54	[[AC:Gungrave GORE]]
55	* AuthorsSavingThrow: Iggymob have been very receptive to player feedback and have rolled out patches that address a lot of the issues people had initially with the game. Such as rebalancing of enemies and bosses, altering or outright removing annoying aspects of some stages, adding a cel shading filter and even some additional content like the option to unlock [[spoiler: Bunji Kugashira]] as a playable character for every stage.
56	* BrokenBase: There are various things about this entry that can be divisive such as the different art-style, [[spoiler: Bunji appearing again despite dying off in Gungrave Overdose]], if the gameplay has aged well or if it's a relic of the [=PS2=] era, if the plot is better than the previous games or if the boss fights are any good.
57	* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The more realistic artstyle used for the characters in this game akin to Devil May Cry 5 doesn't exactly gel well with Gungrave's character design, which seemed to be more suited for the cel-shaded artstyle used in the first two games. Somewhat alleviated with a post game patch that adds an optional cel shading filter for the game.
58	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: [[spoiler: The final boss Who Knows Who is effectively a non-entity ManBehindTheMan]] in contrast to Toronty, the villain who has been driving most of the plot until his death.
59	* UnexpectedCharacter: The Reunion Trailer of the upcoming Gungrave GORE shows the return of a character from both the first game and Over Dose that no one was expecting: [[spoiler:Bunji Kugashira]]. However, some people see their return as a PanderingToTheBase and received quite a bit of backlash, EnsembleDarkHorse status or no.
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61	!!Tropes That Apply To The Anime
62	* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Harry a person who [[DrunkWithPower gets]] [[TheDarkSideWillMakeYouForget consumed by]] [[AmbitionIsEvil his ambitions]] or someone who loses his cool because Brandon appears to desert him for Big Daddy and Millennion (in other words, losing his HeterosexualLifePartner)? Or possibly [[TakeAThirdOption both]], he gets consumed by his ambition and blames Big Daddy for "taking" Brandon from him and ends up going crazy from his guilt from killing [[spoiler:Brandon]]. Both interpretations need not be exclusive.
63	* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic:
64	** The ending theme "Akaneiro ga Moeru Toki".
65	** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EynJGgIRZ4 B.G]].
66	* BaseBreakingCharacter:
67	** Many do not like Harry after his actions in [[WhamEpisode episode 14]]. This may overlap with LoveToHate, since Harry is often commended for being a RoundCharacter with substantial amount of CharacterDevelopment.
68	** To some degree, Brandon. Some fans consider his MartyrWithoutACause nature as idiocy. While other fans point out that the series often raises the question by many characters of Brandon of his MartyrWithoutACause. [[spoiler:not to mention Deconstructs it by leading to him and those around him suffering greatly for it]].
69	* BrokenBase: Fans of the anime are split between which portion of the anime is better; the first half detailing Brandon and Harry's beginnings in Millenion before they rise through the ranks, or the second half which focuses on Grave fighting against the organization after it becomes corrupt.
70	* HarsherInHindsight:
71	** When Maria sees Brandon and his gang are brawling with another gang of thugs, she gets worried. Then Uncle Jester simply tells her that they (the gang) may get killed if they're unlucky, so it's better for the two of them to stay away from the gang. Throughout the anime, the gang members slowly die one by one...[[spoiler:until nobody is left]].
72	** Bear doesn't like Sherry's relationship with Harry because Harry is a mafioso. He also warns her that Harry's life is always at risk, so if Sherry is in a relationship with Harry, her life is at risk too. [[spoiler:Much later, Sherry dies in a crossfire between Harry and a rebelling Millennion agent.]]
73	** In episode 23, Sherry asks why Bear is leaving so soon after having dinner with her and Harry, since opportunities where the family are able to get together for such an event are rare. Bear simply departs and says, "We can see each other anytime." [[spoiler:Not long after that, Bear dies fighting Grave.]]
74	** In episode 24, Harry isn't looking happy since he's being tracked down by the rebelling Millennion agents. Sherry has a conversation with him as an attempt to comfort him, and leads to Sherry saying, "Please don't die before I do." [[spoiler:Later in the same episode, Sherry is killed in a crossfire. Harry dies later in the anime finale.]]
75	* HeartwarmingInHindsight: How did Big Daddy, before sending Maria away with their family butler and unborn child, comfort Maria? He convinced her that Brandon was alive [[spoiler:(although he was already dead, or exactly just a reanimated corpse)]] and hiding somewhere. Later in episode 24, although Brandon/Grave [[spoiler:was dying due to his Necrolyze wearing off, Mika insisted that he was alive]]. The Asagis really care for Brandon/Grave.
76	* LoveToHate: Harry. Having substantial amount of CharacterDevelopment throughout the anime helps.
77	* MisaimedFandom: Although the show has some actions, StuffBlowingUp and various Demolition Shots aren't the main focus. The major theme is UndyingLoyalty and how it is deconstructed in a mafia-ridden land, or how friendship is torn apart [[spoiler:and then fixed]].
78	* NightmareFuel:
79	** [[spoiler: That Necrolyzed dog really looked like something out of a ''Franchise/ResidentEvil'' game. Brrr!]]
80	** Necrolyzation is a horrifying process: you die and some mad scientists get their hands on your corpse. You're revived with the power of science...but everything that makes you ''you'' is destroyed - your thoughts, emotions, memories, all gone - and all that remains is the programming to kill. And when the Necrolyze effect is wearing off, the Necrolyzed person will literally decay while conscious.
81	%%* TearJerker: From beginning to end.
82	* TheScrappy: Mika is often considered to be a very weak female character. And her shrieks don't help.
83	* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Related to BrokenBase. The darkness of the anime is one of the reasons why those who like the game complain about the anime adaptation. The anime puts every single character through a wringer, and YankTheDogsChain is constant. If one doesn't get the show's CentralTheme, the ending will be a not likable DownerEnding instead of a beautiful BittersweetEnding.

Context YMMV / Gungrave