History YMMV / Gungrave

10th Dec '17 3:05:34 AM sunwufan47
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** In both version, Brandon is dead and wakes up to fight 13 years later as a deadman/necrolyzer. Gungrave OD is the last game of the series before it becomes dead silent, and 13 years later, the series is coming back as a VR game.



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As cool and even likable as many of the bad guys are,(especially the members of Millenion) it's difficult to maintain that feeling when they commit such completely despicable actions. To put it into perspective, the ''bottom'' ranked members Brandon worked with were shown to be perfectly fine with offing a couple petty thieves as part of standard routine. Despite the fact that the thieves were not even aware they stole from Millenion, and that they and said thieves were the ''only'' ones who knew about this. When even the small-timers are committing needless acts of bloodshed without remorse, and the higher-ups are even worse, it gets hard to [[spoiler:shed tears for any of them when they get theirs in the end.]]
* Brandon or, more accurately, Beyond the Grave. A nigh-unkillable, implacable killing machine capable of destroying armies of super-powered zombies single-handedly with more firepower than some developed nations, by the time he becomes Beyond the Grave, [[spoiler: he has forsaken the love of his life because he thought that she deserved better than to be with a ruthless hitman and watched his boss, who was the father he never had, marry her. He's been killed by his best friend [[UnexplainedRecovery (he got better)]] and resurrected by the daughter of his former lover to protect her. He does this by killing all of his friends, including his best friend and his mentor.]]
** [[spoiler:And, in the finale, [[DrivenToSuicide himself]].]]

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As cool and even likable as many of the bad guys are,(especially the members of Millenion) it's difficult to maintain that feeling when they commit such completely despicable actions. To put it into perspective, the ''bottom'' ranked members Brandon worked with were shown to be perfectly fine with offing a couple petty thieves as part of standard routine. Despite the fact that the thieves were not even aware they stole from Millenion, and that they and said thieves were the ''only'' ones who knew about this. When even the small-timers are committing needless acts of bloodshed without remorse, and the higher-ups are even worse, it gets hard to [[spoiler:shed tears for any of them when they get theirs in the end.]]
* Brandon or, more accurately, Beyond the Grave. A nigh-unkillable, implacable killing machine capable of destroying armies of super-powered zombies single-handedly with more firepower than some developed nations, by the time he becomes Beyond the Grave, [[spoiler: he has forsaken the love of his life because he thought that she deserved better than to be with a ruthless hitman and watched his boss, who was the father he never had, marry her. He's been killed by his best friend [[UnexplainedRecovery (he got better)]] and resurrected by the daughter of his former lover to protect her. He does this by killing all of his friends, including his best friend and his mentor.]]
** [[spoiler:And, in the finale, [[DrivenToSuicide himself]].
]]
7th Nov '17 11:22:13 PM BlackTemplar
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As cool and even likable as many of the bad guys are,(especially the members of Millenion) it's difficult to maintain that feeling when they commit such completely despicable actions. To put it into perspective, the ''bottom'' ranked members Brandon worked with were shown to be perfectly fine with offing a couple petty thieves as part of standard routine. Despite the fact that the thieves were not even aware they stole from Millenion, and that they and said thieves were the ''only'' ones who knew about this. When even the small-timers are committing needless acts of bloodshed without remorse, and the higher-ups are even worse, it gets hard to [[spoiler:shed tears for any of them when they get theirs in the end.]]

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As cool and even likable as many of the bad guys are,(especially the members of Millenion) it's difficult to maintain that feeling when they commit such completely despicable actions. To put it into perspective, the ''bottom'' ranked members Brandon worked with were shown to be perfectly fine with offing a couple petty thieves as part of standard routine. Despite the fact that the thieves were not even aware they stole from Millenion, and that they and said thieves were the ''only'' ones who knew about this. When even the small-timers are committing needless acts of bloodshed without remorse, and the higher-ups are even worse, it gets hard to [[spoiler:shed tears for any of them when they get theirs in the end.]]
* Brandon or, more accurately, Beyond the Grave. A nigh-unkillable, implacable killing machine capable of destroying armies of super-powered zombies single-handedly with more firepower than some developed nations, by the time he becomes Beyond the Grave, [[spoiler: he has forsaken the love of his life because he thought that she deserved better than to be with a ruthless hitman and watched his boss, who was the father he never had, marry her. He's been killed by his best friend [[UnexplainedRecovery (he got better)]] and resurrected by the daughter of his former lover to protect her. He does this by killing all of his friends, including his best friend and his mentor.]]
** [[spoiler:And, in the finale, [[DrivenToSuicide himself]].
]]
14th Aug '16 10:22:01 PM TheNewBig
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As cool and even likable as many of the bad guys are,(especially the members of Millenion) it's difficult to maintain that feeling when they commit such completely despicable actions. To put it into perspective, the ''bottom'' ranked members Brandon worked with were shown to be perfectly fine with offing a couple petty thieves as part of standard routine. Despite the fact that the thieves were not even aware they stole from Millenion, and that they and said thieves were the ''only'' ones who knew about this. When even the small-timers are committing needless acts of bloodshed without remorse, and the higher-ups are even worse, it gets hard to [[spoiler:shed tears for any of them when they theirs in the end.]]

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As cool and even likable as many of the bad guys are,(especially the members of Millenion) it's difficult to maintain that feeling when they commit such completely despicable actions. To put it into perspective, the ''bottom'' ranked members Brandon worked with were shown to be perfectly fine with offing a couple petty thieves as part of standard routine. Despite the fact that the thieves were not even aware they stole from Millenion, and that they and said thieves were the ''only'' ones who knew about this. When even the small-timers are committing needless acts of bloodshed without remorse, and the higher-ups are even worse, it gets hard to [[spoiler:shed tears for any of them when they get theirs in the end.]]
14th Jul '16 4:31:26 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Many do not like Harry after his actions in [[WhamEpisode episode 14]]. This may overlap with LoveToHate, since Harry is often commended for being a RoundCharacter with substantial amount of CharacterDevelopment.

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Many do not like Harry after his actions in [[WhamEpisode episode 14]]. This may overlap with LoveToHate, since Harry is often commended for being a RoundCharacter with substantial amount of CharacterDevelopment.
3rd Jun '16 10:59:32 AM Romancechina999
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** Or possibly [[TakeAThirdOption both]], he get's consumed by his ambition and blames Big Daddy for "taking" Brandon from him and ends up going crazy from his guilt from killing [[spoiler:Brandon]]. Both interpretations need not be exclusive.



** To some degree, Brandon. Some fans consider his MartyrWithoutACause nature as idiocy.

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** To some degree, Brandon. Some fans consider his MartyrWithoutACause nature as idiocy. While other fans point out that the series often raises the question by many characters of Brandon of his MartyrWithoutACause. [[spoiler:not to mention Deconstructs it by leading to him and those around him suffering greatly for it]].



* DesignatedEvil: Harry [[spoiler: slaying a child rapist.]] While Harry's [[spoiler:obviously psychotic]] at this point in the series, this was a man guilty of a ''monstrous crime'' and Harry's actions stopped him for good. Not what many would call an especially moral action, but certainly understandable. The show, however seems to portray it as an act that no one but a complete and utter sociopath would understand, having the boy himself(who was in his care) break down into tears and Harry mock him for it as a testament to Harry's supposed heartlessness. Additionally, the fact that this boy's reaction resembles nothing if not a textbook case of Stockholme syndrome [[UnfortunateImplications leaves quite a bad taste in one's mouth.]]
6th May '16 3:29:31 PM TheNewBig
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* DesignatedEvil: Harry [[spoiler: slaying a child rapist.]] While Harry's [[spoiler:obviously psychotic]] at this point in the series, this was a man guilty of a ''monstrous crime'' and Harry's actions spoiler:stopped him for good. Not what many would call an especially moral act, but certainly an understandable one. The show, however seems to portray it as an act that no one but a complete and utter sociopath would understand, having the boy himself(who was in his care) break down into tears and Harry mock him for it as a testament to Harry's supposed heartlessness. Additionally, the fact that this boy's reaction resembles nothing if not a textbook case of StockholmeSyndrome [[UnfortunateImplications leaves quite a bad taste in one's mouth.]]

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* DesignatedEvil: Harry [[spoiler: slaying a child rapist.]] While Harry's [[spoiler:obviously psychotic]] at this point in the series, this was a man guilty of a ''monstrous crime'' and Harry's actions spoiler:stopped stopped him for good. Not what many would call an especially moral act, action, but certainly an understandable one.understandable. The show, however seems to portray it as an act that no one but a complete and utter sociopath would understand, having the boy himself(who was in his care) break down into tears and Harry mock him for it as a testament to Harry's supposed heartlessness. Additionally, the fact that this boy's reaction resembles nothing if not a textbook case of StockholmeSyndrome Stockholme syndrome [[UnfortunateImplications leaves quite a bad taste in one's mouth.]]
4th May '16 10:22:03 PM TheNewBig
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* DesignatedEvil: Harry slaying a child rapist. While Harry's obviously psychotic at this point in the series, this was a man guilty of a ''monstrous crime'' and Harry's actions stopped him for good. Not what many would call an especially moral act, but certainly an understandable one. The show, however seems to portray it as an act that no one but a complete and utter sociopath would understand, having the boy himself(who was in his care) break down into tears and Harry mock him for it as a testament to Harry's supposed heartlessness. Additionally, the fact that this boy's reaction resembles nothing if not a textbook case of StockholmeSyndrome [[UnfortunateImplications leaves quite a bad taste in one's mouth.]]


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* DesignatedEvil: Harry [[spoiler: slaying a child rapist.]] While Harry's [[spoiler:obviously psychotic]] at this point in the series, this was a man guilty of a ''monstrous crime'' and Harry's actions spoiler:stopped him for good. Not what many would call an especially moral act, but certainly an understandable one. The show, however seems to portray it as an act that no one but a complete and utter sociopath would understand, having the boy himself(who was in his care) break down into tears and Harry mock him for it as a testament to Harry's supposed heartlessness. Additionally, the fact that this boy's reaction resembles nothing if not a textbook case of StockholmeSyndrome [[UnfortunateImplications leaves quite a bad taste in one's mouth.]]
4th May '16 10:17:44 PM TheNewBig
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* DesignatedEvil: Harry slaying a child rapist. While Harry's obviously psychotic at this point in the series, this was a man guilty of a ''monstrous crime'' and Harry's actions stopped him for good. Not what many would call an especially moral act, but certainly an understandable one. The show, however seems to portray it as an act that no one but a complete and utter sociopath would understand, having the boy himself(who was in his care) break down into tears and Harry mock him for it as a testament to Harry's supposed heartlessness. Additionally, the fact that this boy's reaction resembles nothing if not a textbook case of StockholmeSyndrome [[UnfortunateImplications leaves quite a bad taste in one's mouth.]]
4th May '16 9:52:12 PM TheNewBig
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As cool and even likable as many of the bad guys are,(especially the members of Millenium) it's difficult to maintain that feeling when they commit such completely despicable actions. To put it into perspective, the ''bottom'' ranked members Brandon worked with were shown to be perfectly fine with offing a couple petty thieves as part of standard routine. Despite the fact that the thieves were not even aware they stole from Millenium, and that they and said thieves were the ''only'' ones who knew about this. When even the small-timers are committing needless acts of bloodshed without remorse, and the higher-ups are even worse, it gets hard to [[spoiler:shed tears for any of them when they theirs in the end.]]

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As cool and even likable as many of the bad guys are,(especially the members of Millenium) Millenion) it's difficult to maintain that feeling when they commit such completely despicable actions. To put it into perspective, the ''bottom'' ranked members Brandon worked with were shown to be perfectly fine with offing a couple petty thieves as part of standard routine. Despite the fact that the thieves were not even aware they stole from Millenium, Millenion, and that they and said thieves were the ''only'' ones who knew about this. When even the small-timers are committing needless acts of bloodshed without remorse, and the higher-ups are even worse, it gets hard to [[spoiler:shed tears for any of them when they theirs in the end.]]
4th May '16 9:50:35 PM TheNewBig
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----* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As cool and even likable as many of the bad guys are,(especially the members of Millenium) it's difficult to maintain that feeling when they commit such completely despicable actions. To put it into perspective, the ''bottom'' ranked members Brandon worked with were shown to be perfectly fine with offing a couple petty thieves as part of standard routine. Despite the fact that the thieves were not even aware they stole from Millenium, and that they and said thieves were the ''only'' ones who knew about this. When even the small-timers are committing needless acts of bloodshed without remorse, and the higher-ups are even worse, it gets hard to [[spoiler:shed tears for any of them when they theirs in the end.]]
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