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* AntiClimaxBoss: Prince Thrakhath in the final stretch of ''VideoGameWingCommanderIII''; even though he is flying the Bloodfang, renowned for its unmatched lethality among the Kilrathi, he flies little faster than a Vaktoth and you likely won't need much time taking him out in your Excalibur.

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* AntiClimaxBoss: Prince Thrakhath in the final stretch of ''VideoGameWingCommanderIII''; ''Wing Commander III''; even though he is flying the Bloodfang, renowned for its unmatched lethality lethal prowess among the Kilrathi, he flies little faster than a Vaktoth and you likely won't need much time taking him out in your Excalibur.




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* WhatAnIdiot: An especially egregious case of this comes from Prince Thrakhath at the very start of the third game, where he executes Angel's team of covert operatives and then herself with no interrogations held regarding their infiltration of his ''homeworld''. This would come back to bite his entire race in the ass much later as we learn that they were laying down the groundwork for the Temblor Bomb strike that would ultimately spell doom for the entire Kilrathi Empire. Chalk this one up to his zealous overconfidence in the face of an enemy that seemed on the brink of defeat after a series of disastrous battles had left humanity squarely on the defensive.
** No less egregious is Maverick being wrongly charged with treason in the second game following the loss of the ''Tiger's Claw'' to Kilrathi stealth fighters, which without flight recorder evidence was a story High Command was not willing to even consider as remotely possible. It's a denial they stuck to for a ''full decade'' until it was discovered that a human traitor had set Maverick up as the fall guy for the attack.
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* HarsherInHindsight: ''Wing Commander III'' opens on the burning, half-sunken wreck of the ''Concordia'', your flagship from the previous game which is then deemed a "total loss". Come 2012 the ''Costa Concordia'' disaster took place, with the ship similarly marooned and damaged beyond repair off the coast of Tuscany.

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* HarsherInHindsight: ''Wing Commander III'' opens on the burning, half-sunken wreck of the ''Concordia'', your flagship from the previous game which is then deemed a "total loss". Come 2012 the ''Costa Concordia'' disaster took place, with the ship similarly marooned and damaged beyond repair off the coast of Tuscany. Could possibly be HilariousInHindsight, considering the [[BlackComedy comedy of errors]] that led to the sinking of the ''Costa Concordia.''
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* OneSceneWonder: A non-human version; the F-104 Bearcat appears as the newest frontline Terran fighter in ''The Price of Freedom'', but the player only gets to fly the craft in about two missions, and ''only'' if they choose the Speradon path during the Border Worlds campaign.
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** The ships and combat look ''bad'', even for the time. ''Series/BabylonFive'' was doing better effects on a budget that was famously skimpy even for TV when this came out, and ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'' would be setting a new bar less than a year later.

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** The ships and combat look ''bad'', even for the time. The Rapiers, being minimalistic modifications of a small section of fuselage and cockpit from old English Electric Lightning fighters, looked particularly horrible. ''Series/BabylonFive'' was doing better effects on a budget that was famously skimpy even for TV when this came out, and ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'' would be setting a new bar less than a year later.
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* SpecialEffectsFailure:
** The Kilrathi are played by guys in suits, but the animitronics running the faces barely work and they flail their arms like bad puppets. The film tries to shoot them in darkness to hide this most of the time, but it only makes the clear views more ridiculous.
** The ships and combat look ''bad'', even for the time. ''Series/BabylonFive'' was doing better effects on a budget that was famously skimpy even for TV when this came out, and ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'' would be setting a new bar less than a year later.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Blair in the video games was portrayed by Creator/MarkHamill, best known for playing a [[Franchise/StarWars Jedi]]. Blair in the film is played by Freddie Prinze Jr., who would [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels go on to play a Jedi]].

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* HilariousInHindsight: Blair in the video games was portrayed by Creator/MarkHamill, best known for playing a [[Franchise/StarWars Jedi]]. Blair in the film is played by Freddie Prinze Jr.Creator/FreddiePrinzeJr., who would [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels go on to play a Jedi]].
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* AntiClimaxBoss: Prince Thrakhath in the final stretch of ''Wing Commander III''; even though he is flying the Bloodfang, renowned for its unmatched lethality among the Kilrathi, he flies little faster than a Vaktoth and you likely won't need much time taking him out in your Excalibur.

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* AntiClimaxBoss: Prince Thrakhath in the final stretch of ''Wing Commander III''; ''VideoGameWingCommanderIII''; even though he is flying the Bloodfang, renowned for its unmatched lethality among the Kilrathi, he flies little faster than a Vaktoth and you likely won't need much time taking him out in your Excalibur.



** Hey, it's [[Series/{{LOST}} Dr. Pierre Chang]] flying under the callsign "Vagabond"!
** For ''Wing Commander IV'' alone, [[Film/StarshipTroopers Johnny Rico]] flew as a RedShirt, [[Series/IronChef The Chairman]] flew under "Catscratch", and [[Series/TheWestWing Leo McGarry]] served as Captain Paulsen.



** [[Series/IronChefAmerica Mark Dacascos]] in ''Wing Commander IV''.
** In a blink-and-you'll-miss-it minor scene, you can see that the pilot who offers to carry Blair's bag when he first arrives aboard the ''Lexington'' is none other than [[Film/StarshipTroopers Casper Van Dien]].
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** The various ships and starfighters featured do not resemble their video game counterparts at all. Especially egregious are the Rapiers, which are downright ugly compared to those of the games.
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Not the trope. At the very least, the actors were too old to play those WC 1 era pilots. Also, bad Example Indentation


** Not to mention at all the all-star cast that played the characters in the FMV portions of the games... did not appear at all in the series. Seriously, you had ''Mark Hamill'' in the lead role as one of the best pilots in the galaxy, just for a start!
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** Not to mention at all the all-star cast that played the characters in the FMV portions of the games... did not appear at all in the series. Seriously, you had ''Mark Hamill'' in the lead role as one of the best pilots in the galaxy, just for a start!
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* TheScrappy: Everybody seems to hate Maniac (both in real life and in-universe)... [[CreatorsPet Except for the writing staff]], since of all of the cast members who get KilledOffForReal, Maniac -- the most likely candidate given his rank, status, and reckless behavior -- isn't one of them.

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* TheScrappy: Everybody seems to hate Maniac (both in real life and in-universe)... [[CreatorsPet Except for the writing staff]], since of all of the cast members who get KilledOffForReal, Maniac -- the most likely candidate given his rank, status, and [[LeeroyJenkins reckless behavior behavior]] -- isn't one of them.
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* {{Squick}}: From ''Wing Commander IV'', the sight of one of the victims of the biological attack on Telamon. Even Blair and his comrades must look away upon seeing the aftermath of it.
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* AntiClimaxBoss: Prince Thrakhath in the final stretch of ''Wing Commander III''; even though he is flying the Bloodfang, renowned for its unmatched lethality among the Kilrathi, he flies little faster than a Vaktoth and you likely won't need much time taking him out in your Excalibur.
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* HarsherInHindsight: ''Wing Commander III'' opens on the burning, half-sunken wreck of the ''Concordia'', your flagship from the previous game which is then deemed a "total loss". Come 2012 the ''Costa Concordia'' disaster took place, with the ship similarly marooned and damaged beyond repair off the coast of Tuscany.
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* SpiritualLicensee: To Universal's previous sci-fi cartoon, ''WesternAnimation/{{Exosquad}}''; indeed, USA Network aired reruns of that show the same time they were airing this one.


* TheyJustDidntCare: The actors seem to be attempting to care, and many other aspects seem polished, but misspelling common words (breach) and the names of main characters (Devereaux and Tolwyn) is unforgivable. They also mix up actors Tcheky Karyo and Jurgen Prochnow on the back of the DVD.
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* ExecutiveMeddling: Ironically, a case where some executive meddling would have made the film ''better.'' [[WordOfGod Roberts]] later said that in hindsight, he wished he'd had an executive producer who could have told him the elements of the film that were distracting from the core story and needed to be removed, especially on the tight budget ($27 million, expanded to $30 million after Roberts kicked in an additional $3 million out-of-pocket).

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* ExecutiveMeddling: Ironically, Unusually, a case where some executive meddling would have made the film ''better.'' [[WordOfGod Roberts]] later said that in hindsight, he wished he'd had an executive producer who could have told him the elements of the film that were distracting from the core story and needed to be removed, especially on the tight budget ($27 million, expanded to $30 million after Roberts kicked in an additional $3 million out-of-pocket).
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* ExecutiveMeddling: Ironically, a case where some executive meddling would have made the film ''better.'' [[WordOfGod Roberts]] later said that in hindsight, he wished he'd had an executive producer who could have told him the elements of the film that were distracting from the core story and needed to be removed, especially on the tight budget ($27 million, expanded to $30 million after Roberts kicked in an additional $3 million out-of-pocket).
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\n* WTHCostumingDepartment: The Kilrathi look ''nothing'' like their video game counterparts and in fact are visibly ''furless''. Chris Roberts himself admits that he was satisfied with neither their look in the games or their redesigned appearance in the film.

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Moving to its page.


* ThatOneLevel:
** Anything dealing with flying through a mine cluster in a ''Wing Commander'' game. You have to maneuver ''painfully slowly'' through these if you want to make it through. At least you can shoot {{Asteroid|Thicket}}s out of your way. [[DontTryThisAtHome Try the same with a space mine]] and...''BOOM!'' [[FinalDeath Twenty-one gun salute city for you]].
** There's also the mission with cloaking torpedoes in ''Wing Commander III''. Don't stray from that capital ship, or you'll miss the torpedo, and the mission becomes a failure.
** The infamous Kurasawa-2 mission in ''Wing Commander''. Yes, the one with Ralari defense (you have about ten seconds to destroy 4 heavy cat fighters, or else the craft you're supposed to be protecting goes boom). If you do manage to protect the captured enemy cruiser, you are sent straight to the victorious ending mission sequence. [[RammingAlwaysWorks Ramming the enemy fighters works wonders, it turns out.]]

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* ThatOneLevel:
** Anything dealing with flying through a mine cluster in a ''Wing Commander'' game. You have to maneuver ''painfully slowly'' through these if you want to make it through. At least you can shoot {{Asteroid|Thicket}}s out of your way. [[DontTryThisAtHome Try the same with a space mine]] and...''BOOM!'' [[FinalDeath Twenty-one gun salute city for you]].
** There's also the mission with cloaking torpedoes in ''Wing Commander III''. Don't stray from that capital ship, or you'll miss the torpedo, and the mission becomes a failure.
** The infamous Kurasawa-2 mission in ''Wing Commander''. Yes, the one with Ralari defense (you have about ten seconds to destroy 4 heavy cat fighters, or else the craft you're supposed to be protecting goes boom). If you do manage to protect the captured enemy cruiser, you are sent straight to the victorious ending mission sequence. [[RammingAlwaysWorks Ramming the enemy fighters works wonders, it turns out.]]

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Was Hobbes a SleeperAgent or [[NotWhatISignedOnFor a willful deserter]] (''[[HeelFaceTurn Both]]'' [[FaceHeelTurn times]])? [[TakeAThirdOption Or maybe a little of both?]]
* DemonicSpiders: The Jalthis in ''Wing Commander'' may be slow, but their six-gun attacks are deadly, making escort missions very difficult.
* FanDislikedExplanation: The reason for Hobbes' FaceHeelTurn, that he was a SleeperAgent who was awakened by Thrakhath's use of "[[TitleDrop The Heart of the Tiger]]" in reference to Blair.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Was Hobbes a SleeperAgent or [[NotWhatISignedOnFor a willful deserter]] (''[[HeelFaceTurn Both]]'' [[FaceHeelTurn times]])? [[TakeAThirdOption Or maybe a little of both?]]
* DemonicSpiders: The Jalthis in ''Wing Commander'' may be slow, but their six-gun attacks are deadly, making escort missions very difficult.
* FanDislikedExplanation: The reason for Hobbes' FaceHeelTurn, that he was a SleeperAgent who was awakened by Thrakhath's use of "[[TitleDrop The Heart of the Tiger]]" in reference to Blair.



** A lot of people like to pretend the FaceHeelTurn by Hobbes due to his being a SleeperAgent either never happened or else had [[EarthShatteringKaboom a different]] [[NotWhatISignedOnFor justification]].



* ItWasHisSled: Tolwyn instigated the events of ''Wing Commander IV''. The game plays it up as a mystery, but everyone knows it by now.

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Moving to Privateer YMMV


* BrokenBase. ''Privateer 2: The Darkening''. It was for many people a glitched-up mess, but the cutscenes were done really well.



** You almost ''never'' hear ''Privateer 2'' being shoved into this. Despite the fact it wasn't originally (pun unintended) meant to be a part of the Wing Commander universe.



* NarmCharm: The otherwise excellent scene with Reinhart in ''Privateer 2'' can be this every time Creator/ChristopherWalken opens his mouth. Especially that "''bra''-vo" at the beginning. Of the other hand, he generally does his job well. Especially near the end when he freaks out. When [[CreepyAwesome Christopher Walken]] freaks out, you believe it.
* OneSceneWonder: Reinhart (Creator/DavidWarner) in ''Privateer 2''. A captured FauxAffablyEvil Kindred leader who give a spectacular ExpoSpeak concerning the game's amnesiac protgonist's identity. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET6UEXAmc68&list=HL1379098180 Behold one of the greatest performances in video game acting]].
--> '''Lev''': ''Whoever I was, I've changed.''\\
'''Reinhart''': ''People don't change that much. Some are born wolf. Some are sheep. You might be wearing sheep's clothing, but your fangs are showing through.''\\
'''Lev''': ''Yeah, well. Maybe losing my memory was the best thing that could've happened to me. It's given me a chance to choose who I am.''\\
'''Reinhart''': ''My god, this is almost becoming like a religious experience. Forget it. As soon as your old memories returns, you will get back to what you used to be; Your father's son.''



* UnwinnableByInsanity: In ''Privateer'', if you manage to run out of jump drive fuel, you'd better hope you're in a system where there are stations and/or planets to land on. If that's not the case? You'll be forced to quit and restart the game from a previous save that you hopefully have not erased yet, especially if it's for an important mission.

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* UnwinnableByInsanity: In ''Privateer'', if you manage to run out of jump drive fuel, you'd better hope you're in a system where there are stations and/or planets to land on. If that's not the case? You'll be forced to quit and restart the game from a previous save that you hopefully have not erased yet, especially if it's for an important mission.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Blair in the video games was portrayed by Creator/MarkHamill, best known for playing a [[Franchise/StarWars Jedi]]. Blair in the film is played by Freddie Prinze Jr., who would [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels go on to play a Jedi]].
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Was Hobbes a sleeper agent or a willful deserter? [[TakeAThirdOption Or maybe a little of both?]]

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Was Hobbes a sleeper agent SleeperAgent or [[NotWhatISignedOnFor a willful deserter? deserter]] (''[[HeelFaceTurn Both]]'' [[FaceHeelTurn times]])? [[TakeAThirdOption Or maybe a little of both?]]



** A lot of people like to pretend the FaceHeelTurn by Hobbes due to his being a SleeperAgent never happened.

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** A lot of people like to pretend the FaceHeelTurn by Hobbes due to his being a SleeperAgent either never happened.happened or else had [[EarthShatteringKaboom a different]] [[NotWhatISignedOnFor justification]].
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* {{Narm}}: The otherwise excellent scene with Reinhart in ''Privateer 2'' can be this every time Creator/ChristopherWalken opens his mouth. Especially that "''bra''-vo" at the beginning.

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* {{Narm}}: NarmCharm: The otherwise excellent scene with Reinhart in ''Privateer 2'' can be this every time Creator/ChristopherWalken opens his mouth. Especially that "''bra''-vo" at the beginning. Of the other hand, he generally does his job well. Especially near the end when he freaks out. When [[CreepyAwesome Christopher Walken]] freaks out, you believe it.
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A lot of crap built up that I didn\'t look too closely at until now, including misuse of tropes, potholed trope titles (which I believe I was responsible for, mind you), Natter and other content unrelated to the trope


* FanDislikedExplanation: The whole "sleeper agent" business re: Hobbes is unnecessary, except as an attempt to make him unsympathetic. Think about it: What would ''your'' reaction be if the leaders of the nation you befriended a decade ago decide that the best way to stop a war with your people is [[ApocalypseHow to utterly destroy the birthplace of your people]]?
* FandomRivalry: ''Wing Commander'' fans often hate ''{{FreeSpace}}'' and its fans. ''[=FreeSpace=]'' fans generally hold no ill will towards ''Wing Commander'' and wonder why the other fandom is so hostile. It might have something to do with the fact that the commercial failure of ''[=FreeSpace=] 2'' completed the fall of the golden age of space sims, yet ''[=FreeSpace's=]'' modding capabilities and later source code release made its popularity actually ''rise'' as it aged while the ''Wing Commander'' fandom slowly dwindled.
** Ironically, a major mod project based on Wing Commander is running on the Freespace engine... Funny how time heals all wounds, really.

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* FanDislikedExplanation: The whole "sleeper agent" business re: Hobbes is unnecessary, except as an attempt to make him unsympathetic. Think about it: What would ''your'' reaction be if the leaders reason for Hobbes' FaceHeelTurn, that he was a SleeperAgent who was awakened by Thrakhath's use of "[[TitleDrop The Heart of the nation you befriended a decade ago decide that the best way Tiger]]" in reference to stop a war with your people is [[ApocalypseHow to utterly destroy the birthplace of your people]]?
Blair.
* FandomRivalry: ''Wing Commander'' fans often hate ''{{FreeSpace}}'' and its fans. ''[=FreeSpace=]'' fans generally hold no ill will towards The fandoms of ''Wing Commander'' and wonder why the other fandom is so hostile. It might ''VideoGame/{{Freespace}}'' have something to do with the fact that the commercial failure of ''[=FreeSpace=] 2'' completed the fall of the golden age of space sims, yet ''[=FreeSpace's=]'' modding capabilities and later source code release made its popularity actually ''rise'' as it aged while the ''Wing Commander'' fandom slowly dwindled.
** Ironically, a major mod project based on Wing Commander is running on the Freespace engine... Funny how time heals all wounds, really.
at times butted heads, influenced in part by personal dislikes.



** Humorously enough, you almost ''never'' hear ''Privateer 2'' being shoved into this. Despite the fact it wasn't originally (pun unintended) meant to be a part of the Wing Commander universe. This is probably because no-one can agree where it sits in the the series timeline and it has no effect on anything outside itself.
** A lot of people like to pretend the FaceHeelTurn by Hobbes never happened.

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** Humorously enough, you You almost ''never'' hear ''Privateer 2'' being shoved into this. Despite the fact it wasn't originally (pun unintended) meant to be a part of the Wing Commander universe. This is probably because no-one can agree where it sits in the the series timeline and it has no effect on anything outside itself.
universe.
** A lot of people like to pretend the FaceHeelTurn by Hobbes due to his being a SleeperAgent never happened.



--> '''Lev''': ''Whoever I was, I've changed.''
--> '''Reinhart''': ''People don't change that much. Some are born wolf. Some are sheep. You might be wearing sheep's clothing, but your fangs are showing through.''
--> '''Lev''': ''Yeah, well. Maybe losing my memory was the best thing that could've happened to me. It's given me a chance to choose who I am.''
--> '''Reinhart''': ''My god, this is almost becoming like a religious experience. Forget it. As soon as your old memories returns, you will get back to what you used to be; Your father's son.''

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--> '''Lev''': ''Whoever I was, I've changed.''
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'''Reinhart''': ''People don't change that much. Some are born wolf. Some are sheep. You might be wearing sheep's clothing, but your fangs are showing through.''
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'''Lev''': ''Yeah, well. Maybe losing my memory was the best thing that could've happened to me. It's given me a chance to choose who I am.''
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'''Reinhart''': ''My god, this is almost becoming like a religious experience. Forget it. As soon as your old memories returns, you will get back to what you used to be; Your father's son.''



** [[IronChefAmerica Mark Dacascos]] in ''Wing Commander IV''.

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** [[IronChefAmerica [[Series/IronChefAmerica Mark Dacascos]] in ''Wing Commander IV''.



* [[TheScrappy/VideoGames The Scrappy]]:
** Everybody seems to hate Maniac (both in real life and in-universe)... [[CreatorsPet Except for the writing staff]], since of all of the cast members who get KilledOffForReal, Maniac -- the most likely candidate given his rank, status, and reckless behavior -- isn't one of them.
** But then, it seems like his [[TheScrappy Scrappiness]] is deliberate. After all, he's played by [[HeyItsThatGuy Biff Tannen]].
** Tom Wilson's interpretation of Maniac (in ''VideoGame/WingCommander III'', ''VideoGame/WingCommander IV'', and ''Prophecy''), actually did a lot to [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap redeem]] him, at least within the context of the FMV footage. He [[EnsembleDarkhorse steals all his scenes]] and is a lot of fun to watch.
** He's even something of a [[TheChewToy Chew Toy]] in ''The Price of Freedom,'' where Maniac's constant snipes fail to get a rise out of Blair--but Marshall falls for Blair's prods ''every time.''
--->''[Blair and Maniac have just defected from Confed and Blair is trying to cheer Maniac up]''\\
'''Maniac:''' At least when I go, I'll be in a cockpit.\\
'''Blair:''' Come on, cheer up! I still say it'll be friendly fire that gets you.\\
'''Maniac:''' I don't know. The side we picked to be on has a long, hard road ahead.\\
'''Blair:''' Will you look on the bright side? At least now you won't have to deal with that Confed promotion that finally came through.\\
'''Maniac:''' My promotion came?! MY PROMOTION--! <claps> ... Confed, that's--that's not right ...

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* [[TheScrappy/VideoGames The Scrappy]]:
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TheScrappy: Everybody seems to hate Maniac (both in real life and in-universe)... [[CreatorsPet Except for the writing staff]], since of all of the cast members who get KilledOffForReal, Maniac -- the most likely candidate given his rank, status, and reckless behavior -- isn't one of them.
** But then, it seems like his [[TheScrappy Scrappiness]] is deliberate. After all, he's played by [[HeyItsThatGuy Biff Tannen]].
** Tom Wilson's interpretation of Maniac (in ''VideoGame/WingCommander III'', ''VideoGame/WingCommander IV'', and ''Prophecy''), actually did a lot to [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap redeem]] him, at least within the context of the FMV footage. He [[EnsembleDarkhorse steals all his scenes]] and is a lot of fun to watch.
** He's even something of a [[TheChewToy Chew Toy]] in ''The Price of Freedom,'' where Maniac's constant snipes fail to get a rise out of Blair--but Marshall falls for Blair's prods ''every time.''
--->''[Blair and Maniac have just defected from Confed and Blair is trying to cheer Maniac up]''\\
'''Maniac:''' At least when I go, I'll be in a cockpit.\\
'''Blair:''' Come on, cheer up! I still say it'll be friendly fire that gets you.\\
'''Maniac:''' I don't know. The side we picked to be on has a long, hard road ahead.\\
'''Blair:''' Will you look on the bright side? At least now you won't have to deal with that Confed promotion that finally came through.\\
'''Maniac:''' My promotion came?! MY PROMOTION--! <claps> ... Confed, that's--that's not right ...
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** Humorously enough, you almost ''never'' hear ''Privateer 2'' being shoved into this. Despite the fact it wasn't originally (pun unintended) meant to be a part of the Wing Commander universe.

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** Humorously enough, you almost ''never'' hear ''Privateer 2'' being shoved into this. Despite the fact it wasn't originally (pun unintended) meant to be a part of the Wing Commander universe. This is probably because no-one can agree where it sits in the the series timeline and it has no effect on anything outside itself.
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** Josh Lucas and [[Series/{{Lost}} Francois Chau]] in ''Wing Commander III'' (and ''IV'' in Chau's case)

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** Josh Lucas and [[Series/{{Lost}} Francois [[Creator/FrancoisChau François Chau]] in ''Wing Commander III'' (and ''IV'' in Chau's case)

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