History YMMV / WingCommander

21st Apr '16 1:33:20 AM TheTrailblazerCritic
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\n* WTHCostumingDepartment: The Kilrathi look ''nothing'' like their video game counterparts and in fact are visibly ''furless''. Chris Roberts himself admits that he was satisfied with neither their look in the games or their redesigned appearance in the film.

18th Jan '16 11:54:17 AM CharlesPhipps
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* ThatOneLevel:
** Anything dealing with flying through a mine cluster in a ''Wing Commander'' game. You have to maneuver ''painfully slowly'' through these if you want to make it through. At least you can shoot {{Asteroid|Thicket}}s out of your way. [[DontTryThisAtHome Try the same with a space mine]] and...''BOOM!'' [[FinalDeath Twenty-one gun salute city for you]].
** There's also the mission with cloaking torpedoes in ''Wing Commander III''. Don't stray from that capital ship, or you'll miss the torpedo, and the mission becomes a failure.
** The infamous Kurasawa-2 mission in ''Wing Commander''. Yes, the one with Ralari defense (you have about ten seconds to destroy 4 heavy cat fighters, or else the craft you're supposed to be protecting goes boom). If you do manage to protect the captured enemy cruiser, you are sent straight to the victorious ending mission sequence. [[RammingAlwaysWorks Ramming the enemy fighters works wonders, it turns out.]]

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* ThatOneLevel:
** Anything dealing with flying through a mine cluster in a ''Wing Commander'' game. You have to maneuver ''painfully slowly'' through these if you want to make it through. At least you can shoot {{Asteroid|Thicket}}s out of your way. [[DontTryThisAtHome Try the same with a space mine]] and...''BOOM!'' [[FinalDeath Twenty-one gun salute city for you]].
** There's also the mission with cloaking torpedoes in ''Wing Commander III''. Don't stray from that capital ship, or you'll miss the torpedo, and the mission becomes a failure.
** The infamous Kurasawa-2 mission in ''Wing Commander''. Yes, the one with Ralari defense (you have about ten seconds to destroy 4 heavy cat fighters, or else the craft you're supposed to be protecting goes boom). If you do manage to protect the captured enemy cruiser, you are sent straight to the victorious ending mission sequence. [[RammingAlwaysWorks Ramming the enemy fighters works wonders, it turns out.]]
18th Jan '16 11:52:48 AM CharlesPhipps
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Was Hobbes a SleeperAgent or [[NotWhatISignedOnFor a willful deserter]] (''[[HeelFaceTurn Both]]'' [[FaceHeelTurn times]])? [[TakeAThirdOption Or maybe a little of both?]]
* DemonicSpiders: The Jalthis in ''Wing Commander'' may be slow, but their six-gun attacks are deadly, making escort missions very difficult.
* FanDislikedExplanation: The reason for Hobbes' FaceHeelTurn, that he was a SleeperAgent who was awakened by Thrakhath's use of "[[TitleDrop The Heart of the Tiger]]" in reference to Blair.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Was Hobbes a SleeperAgent or [[NotWhatISignedOnFor a willful deserter]] (''[[HeelFaceTurn Both]]'' [[FaceHeelTurn times]])? [[TakeAThirdOption Or maybe a little of both?]]
* DemonicSpiders: The Jalthis in ''Wing Commander'' may be slow, but their six-gun attacks are deadly, making escort missions very difficult.
* FanDislikedExplanation: The reason for Hobbes' FaceHeelTurn, that he was a SleeperAgent who was awakened by Thrakhath's use of "[[TitleDrop The Heart of the Tiger]]" in reference to Blair.



** A lot of people like to pretend the FaceHeelTurn by Hobbes due to his being a SleeperAgent either never happened or else had [[EarthShatteringKaboom a different]] [[NotWhatISignedOnFor justification]].



* ItWasHisSled: Tolwyn instigated the events of ''Wing Commander IV''. The game plays it up as a mystery, but everyone knows it by now.
16th Jan '16 8:15:54 PM CharlesPhipps
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* BrokenBase. ''Privateer 2: The Darkening''. It was for many people a glitched-up mess, but the cutscenes were done really well.



** You almost ''never'' hear ''Privateer 2'' being shoved into this. Despite the fact it wasn't originally (pun unintended) meant to be a part of the Wing Commander universe.



* NarmCharm: The otherwise excellent scene with Reinhart in ''Privateer 2'' can be this every time Creator/ChristopherWalken opens his mouth. Especially that "''bra''-vo" at the beginning. Of the other hand, he generally does his job well. Especially near the end when he freaks out. When [[CreepyAwesome Christopher Walken]] freaks out, you believe it.
* OneSceneWonder: Reinhart (Creator/DavidWarner) in ''Privateer 2''. A captured FauxAffablyEvil Kindred leader who give a spectacular ExpoSpeak concerning the game's amnesiac protgonist's identity. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET6UEXAmc68&list=HL1379098180 Behold one of the greatest performances in video game acting]].
--> '''Lev''': ''Whoever I was, I've changed.''\\
'''Reinhart''': ''People don't change that much. Some are born wolf. Some are sheep. You might be wearing sheep's clothing, but your fangs are showing through.''\\
'''Lev''': ''Yeah, well. Maybe losing my memory was the best thing that could've happened to me. It's given me a chance to choose who I am.''\\
'''Reinhart''': ''My god, this is almost becoming like a religious experience. Forget it. As soon as your old memories returns, you will get back to what you used to be; Your father's son.''



* UnwinnableByInsanity: In ''Privateer'', if you manage to run out of jump drive fuel, you'd better hope you're in a system where there are stations and/or planets to land on. If that's not the case? You'll be forced to quit and restart the game from a previous save that you hopefully have not erased yet, especially if it's for an important mission.

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* UnwinnableByInsanity: In ''Privateer'', if you manage to run out of jump drive fuel, you'd better hope you're in a system where there are stations and/or planets to land on. If that's not the case? You'll be forced to quit and restart the game from a previous save that you hopefully have not erased yet, especially if it's for an important mission.
12th Dec '15 6:39:22 PM MisterCPC
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* HilariousInHindsight: Blair in the video games was portrayed by Creator/MarkHamill, best known for playing a [[Franchise/StarWars Jedi]]. Blair in the film is played by Freddie Prinze Jr., who would [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels go on to play a Jedi]].
28th Sep '15 4:24:16 PM DonaldthePotholer
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Was Hobbes a sleeper agent or a willful deserter? [[TakeAThirdOption Or maybe a little of both?]]

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Was Hobbes a sleeper agent SleeperAgent or [[NotWhatISignedOnFor a willful deserter? deserter]] (''[[HeelFaceTurn Both]]'' [[FaceHeelTurn times]])? [[TakeAThirdOption Or maybe a little of both?]]



** A lot of people like to pretend the FaceHeelTurn by Hobbes due to his being a SleeperAgent never happened.

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** A lot of people like to pretend the FaceHeelTurn by Hobbes due to his being a SleeperAgent either never happened.happened or else had [[EarthShatteringKaboom a different]] [[NotWhatISignedOnFor justification]].
22nd Mar '15 7:06:44 AM Hawaii_Knut
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* {{Narm}}: The otherwise excellent scene with Reinhart in ''Privateer 2'' can be this every time Creator/ChristopherWalken opens his mouth. Especially that "''bra''-vo" at the beginning.

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* {{Narm}}: NarmCharm: The otherwise excellent scene with Reinhart in ''Privateer 2'' can be this every time Creator/ChristopherWalken opens his mouth. Especially that "''bra''-vo" at the beginning. Of the other hand, he generally does his job well. Especially near the end when he freaks out. When [[CreepyAwesome Christopher Walken]] freaks out, you believe it.
7th Mar '15 7:22:56 AM Hawaii_Knut
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* {{Narm}}: The otherwise excellent scene with Reinhart in ''Privateer 2'' can be this every time Creator/ChristopherWalken opens his mouth. Especially that "''bra''-vo" at the beginning.
6th Jan '15 7:57:55 AM Nohbody
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* FanDislikedExplanation: The whole "sleeper agent" business re: Hobbes is unnecessary, except as an attempt to make him unsympathetic. Think about it: What would ''your'' reaction be if the leaders of the nation you befriended a decade ago decide that the best way to stop a war with your people is [[ApocalypseHow to utterly destroy the birthplace of your people]]?
* FandomRivalry: ''Wing Commander'' fans often hate ''{{FreeSpace}}'' and its fans. ''[=FreeSpace=]'' fans generally hold no ill will towards ''Wing Commander'' and wonder why the other fandom is so hostile. It might have something to do with the fact that the commercial failure of ''[=FreeSpace=] 2'' completed the fall of the golden age of space sims, yet ''[=FreeSpace's=]'' modding capabilities and later source code release made its popularity actually ''rise'' as it aged while the ''Wing Commander'' fandom slowly dwindled.
** Ironically, a major mod project based on Wing Commander is running on the Freespace engine... Funny how time heals all wounds, really.

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* FanDislikedExplanation: The whole "sleeper agent" business re: Hobbes is unnecessary, except as an attempt to make him unsympathetic. Think about it: What would ''your'' reaction be if the leaders reason for Hobbes' FaceHeelTurn, that he was a SleeperAgent who was awakened by Thrakhath's use of "[[TitleDrop The Heart of the nation you befriended a decade ago decide that the best way Tiger]]" in reference to stop a war with your people is [[ApocalypseHow to utterly destroy the birthplace of your people]]?
Blair.
* FandomRivalry: ''Wing Commander'' fans often hate ''{{FreeSpace}}'' and its fans. ''[=FreeSpace=]'' fans generally hold no ill will towards The fandoms of ''Wing Commander'' and wonder why the other fandom is so hostile. It might ''VideoGame/{{Freespace}}'' have something to do with the fact that the commercial failure of ''[=FreeSpace=] 2'' completed the fall of the golden age of space sims, yet ''[=FreeSpace's=]'' modding capabilities and later source code release made its popularity actually ''rise'' as it aged while the ''Wing Commander'' fandom slowly dwindled.
** Ironically, a major mod project based on Wing Commander is running on the Freespace engine... Funny how time heals all wounds, really.
at times butted heads, influenced in part by personal dislikes.



** Humorously enough, you almost ''never'' hear ''Privateer 2'' being shoved into this. Despite the fact it wasn't originally (pun unintended) meant to be a part of the Wing Commander universe. This is probably because no-one can agree where it sits in the the series timeline and it has no effect on anything outside itself.
** A lot of people like to pretend the FaceHeelTurn by Hobbes never happened.

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** Humorously enough, you You almost ''never'' hear ''Privateer 2'' being shoved into this. Despite the fact it wasn't originally (pun unintended) meant to be a part of the Wing Commander universe. This is probably because no-one can agree where it sits in the the series timeline and it has no effect on anything outside itself.
universe.
** A lot of people like to pretend the FaceHeelTurn by Hobbes due to his being a SleeperAgent never happened.



--> '''Lev''': ''Whoever I was, I've changed.''
--> '''Reinhart''': ''People don't change that much. Some are born wolf. Some are sheep. You might be wearing sheep's clothing, but your fangs are showing through.''
--> '''Lev''': ''Yeah, well. Maybe losing my memory was the best thing that could've happened to me. It's given me a chance to choose who I am.''
--> '''Reinhart''': ''My god, this is almost becoming like a religious experience. Forget it. As soon as your old memories returns, you will get back to what you used to be; Your father's son.''

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--> '''Lev''': ''Whoever I was, I've changed.''
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'''Reinhart''': ''People don't change that much. Some are born wolf. Some are sheep. You might be wearing sheep's clothing, but your fangs are showing through.''
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'''Lev''': ''Yeah, well. Maybe losing my memory was the best thing that could've happened to me. It's given me a chance to choose who I am.''
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'''Reinhart''': ''My god, this is almost becoming like a religious experience. Forget it. As soon as your old memories returns, you will get back to what you used to be; Your father's son.''



** [[IronChefAmerica Mark Dacascos]] in ''Wing Commander IV''.

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** [[IronChefAmerica [[Series/IronChefAmerica Mark Dacascos]] in ''Wing Commander IV''.



* [[TheScrappy/VideoGames The Scrappy]]:
** Everybody seems to hate Maniac (both in real life and in-universe)... [[CreatorsPet Except for the writing staff]], since of all of the cast members who get KilledOffForReal, Maniac -- the most likely candidate given his rank, status, and reckless behavior -- isn't one of them.
** But then, it seems like his [[TheScrappy Scrappiness]] is deliberate. After all, he's played by [[HeyItsThatGuy Biff Tannen]].
** Tom Wilson's interpretation of Maniac (in ''VideoGame/WingCommander III'', ''VideoGame/WingCommander IV'', and ''Prophecy''), actually did a lot to [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap redeem]] him, at least within the context of the FMV footage. He [[EnsembleDarkhorse steals all his scenes]] and is a lot of fun to watch.
** He's even something of a [[TheChewToy Chew Toy]] in ''The Price of Freedom,'' where Maniac's constant snipes fail to get a rise out of Blair--but Marshall falls for Blair's prods ''every time.''
--->''[Blair and Maniac have just defected from Confed and Blair is trying to cheer Maniac up]''\\
'''Maniac:''' At least when I go, I'll be in a cockpit.\\
'''Blair:''' Come on, cheer up! I still say it'll be friendly fire that gets you.\\
'''Maniac:''' I don't know. The side we picked to be on has a long, hard road ahead.\\
'''Blair:''' Will you look on the bright side? At least now you won't have to deal with that Confed promotion that finally came through.\\
'''Maniac:''' My promotion came?! MY PROMOTION--! <claps> ... Confed, that's--that's not right ...

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* [[TheScrappy/VideoGames The Scrappy]]:
**
TheScrappy: Everybody seems to hate Maniac (both in real life and in-universe)... [[CreatorsPet Except for the writing staff]], since of all of the cast members who get KilledOffForReal, Maniac -- the most likely candidate given his rank, status, and reckless behavior -- isn't one of them.
** But then, it seems like his [[TheScrappy Scrappiness]] is deliberate. After all, he's played by [[HeyItsThatGuy Biff Tannen]].
** Tom Wilson's interpretation of Maniac (in ''VideoGame/WingCommander III'', ''VideoGame/WingCommander IV'', and ''Prophecy''), actually did a lot to [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap redeem]] him, at least within the context of the FMV footage. He [[EnsembleDarkhorse steals all his scenes]] and is a lot of fun to watch.
** He's even something of a [[TheChewToy Chew Toy]] in ''The Price of Freedom,'' where Maniac's constant snipes fail to get a rise out of Blair--but Marshall falls for Blair's prods ''every time.''
--->''[Blair and Maniac have just defected from Confed and Blair is trying to cheer Maniac up]''\\
'''Maniac:''' At least when I go, I'll be in a cockpit.\\
'''Blair:''' Come on, cheer up! I still say it'll be friendly fire that gets you.\\
'''Maniac:''' I don't know. The side we picked to be on has a long, hard road ahead.\\
'''Blair:''' Will you look on the bright side? At least now you won't have to deal with that Confed promotion that finally came through.\\
'''Maniac:''' My promotion came?! MY PROMOTION--! <claps> ... Confed, that's--that's not right ...
them.



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* FanHater: They exist...see above.



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5th Jan '15 4:52:10 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** Humorously enough, you almost ''never'' hear ''Privateer 2'' being shoved into this. Despite the fact it wasn't originally (pun unintended) meant to be a part of the Wing Commander universe.

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** Humorously enough, you almost ''never'' hear ''Privateer 2'' being shoved into this. Despite the fact it wasn't originally (pun unintended) meant to be a part of the Wing Commander universe. This is probably because no-one can agree where it sits in the the series timeline and it has no effect on anything outside itself.
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