History YMMV / WerewolfTheForsaken

30th May '15 8:45:44 PM WillBGood
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** [[FishPeople The Brine Born]] ''seem'' like they'd be the evil guys, being shameless {{Shout Outs}} to the [[Creator/HPLovecraft Deep Ones]]...and even their own myths emphasize what a miserable, luckless people they are, with their own progenitor being kicked out by Mother Ocean when he failed to take over the world in her name. They suffer a race-wide case of what is implied to be StockholmSyndrome for Mother Ocean, mainly because they can't live inland, but they can't live in her because of a species-wide phobia of the deep. Of course, they're were-fish, so they ''have'' to go in the water very frequently. And the icing on the cake? They can't even live in isolation from normal humans, since they need to interbreed with {{Muggle}}s for a sane child. Even the intro emphasizes TheGrotesque aspect of them: After an initial buildup that seems worthy of a Lovecraft novel, when a human woman gives birth to her Brine Born child, the entire message flips when the werewolves observing the event [[MoralEventHorizon reveals they murdered the whole settlement, both human and Brine Born, and plan to dash the baby against a rock]].

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** [[FishPeople The Brine Born]] ''seem'' like they'd be the evil guys, being shameless {{Shout Outs}} Out}}s to the [[Creator/HPLovecraft Deep Ones]]...and even their own myths emphasize what a miserable, luckless people they are, with their own progenitor being kicked out by Mother Ocean when he failed to take over the world in her name. They suffer a race-wide case of what is implied to be StockholmSyndrome for Mother Ocean, mainly because they can't live inland, but they can't live in her because of a species-wide phobia of the deep. Of course, they're were-fish, so they ''have'' to go in the water very frequently. And the icing on the cake? They can't even live in isolation from normal humans, since they need to interbreed with {{Muggle}}s for a sane child. Even the intro emphasizes TheGrotesque aspect of them: After an initial buildup that seems worthy of a Lovecraft novel, when a human woman gives birth to her Brine Born child, the entire message flips when the werewolves observing the event [[MoralEventHorizon reveals they murdered the whole settlement, both human and Brine Born, and plan to dash the baby against a rock]].
17th Mar '15 8:35:48 AM nombretomado
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* FanonDiscontinuity: ''Changing Breeds'' is hated for numerous reasons -- the writing quality is poor, with rules that are [[GameBreaker easily exploitable]] or overpowered, and generally of lower quality compared to earlier splatbooks with similar rules, such as ''War Against the Pure''. Furthermore, the book's fluff presents a ''very'' hamhanded take on a man vs. nature motif, outright ''encouraging'' players to be kill-happy sociopaths dedicated to the destruction of humanity and/or human civilisation. More than one negative reviewer has compared it to the worst elements of ''TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse''. It has also [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking been accused of pandering to the]] FurryFandom.

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* FanonDiscontinuity: ''Changing Breeds'' is hated for numerous reasons -- the writing quality is poor, with rules that are [[GameBreaker easily exploitable]] or overpowered, and generally of lower quality compared to earlier splatbooks with similar rules, such as ''War Against the Pure''. Furthermore, the book's fluff presents a ''very'' hamhanded take on a man vs. nature motif, outright ''encouraging'' players to be kill-happy sociopaths dedicated to the destruction of humanity and/or human civilisation. More than one negative reviewer has compared it to the worst elements of ''TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse''. It has also [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking been accused of pandering to the]] FurryFandom.UsefulNotes/FurryFandom.
11th Mar '15 7:07:34 PM MagBas
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* UnfortunateImplications: ''Unihar'', or ''Spirit Wolves'', hit a lot of triggers and sensitive spots about abortion, miscarriage, sexual inequality and the like. The authors, by WordOfGod, came to agree that they were a poor choice for avoiding the Metis of TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse, and so as mentioned on the main page under CanonDiscontinuity they were stricken from the second edition.
8th Mar '15 12:15:39 PM WanderingBrowser
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* CanonDiscontinuity: In the second edition reboot, the Unihar -- Spirit Wolves -- were removed from continuity. WordOfGod from the authors is that they received a lot of outcry about the UnfortunateImplications (in essence, the lore hit a ''lot'' of trigger buttons about miscarriages and abortion) and agreed the Spirit Wolves were a poor addition to the lore in the hindsight, even with the goal of preventing the Metis of TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse.


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* UnfortunateImplications: ''Unihar'', or ''Spirit Wolves'', hit a lot of triggers and sensitive spots about abortion, miscarriage, sexual inequality and the like. The authors, by WordOfGod, came to agree that they were a poor choice for avoiding the Metis of TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse, and so as mentioned on the main page under CanonDiscontinuity they were stricken from the second edition.
8th Mar '15 12:05:53 PM WanderingBrowser
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* CanonDiscontinuity: In the second edition reboot, the Unihar -- Spirit Wolves -- were removed from continuity. WordOfGod from the authors is that they received a lot of outcry about the UnfortunateImplications (in essence, the lore hit a ''lot'' of trigger buttons about miscarriages and abortion) and agreed the Spirit Wolves were a poor addition to the lore in the hindsight, even with the goal of preventing the Metis of TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse.
1st Oct '14 5:21:35 PM WanderingBrowser
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* FanonDiscontinuity -- ''Changing Breeds'' is hated for numerous reasons, such as other sourcebooks serving the same purpose, but better.

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* FanonDiscontinuity -- FanonDiscontinuity: ''Changing Breeds'' is hated for numerous reasons, reasons -- the writing quality is poor, with rules that are [[GameBreaker easily exploitable]] or overpowered, and generally of lower quality compared to earlier splatbooks with similar rules, such as other sourcebooks serving ''War Against the same purpose, but better.Pure''. Furthermore, the book's fluff presents a ''very'' hamhanded take on a man vs. nature motif, outright ''encouraging'' players to be kill-happy sociopaths dedicated to the destruction of humanity and/or human civilisation. More than one negative reviewer has compared it to the worst elements of ''TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse''. It has also [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking been accused of pandering to the]] FurryFandom.
26th Oct '13 10:51:39 AM erforce
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** Dalu is based on the iconic "wolfman" form of film, first seen in Universal Horror's TheWolfMan.

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** Dalu is based on the iconic "wolfman" form of film, first seen in Universal Horror's TheWolfMan.[[UniversalHorror Universal's]] ''Film/TheWolfMan1941''.
6th Jun '13 7:44:16 AM erforce
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** Urshul arguably has some mythological basis, but can most easily be connected to the werewolf as depicted in AnAmericanWerewolfInLondon.
** Finally, Gauru resembles the now-iconic "manwolf" that has become heavily associated with werewolves in modern culture and which can be arguably traced back to film via TheHowling.

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** Urshul arguably has some mythological basis, but can most easily be connected to the werewolf as depicted in AnAmericanWerewolfInLondon.''Film/AnAmericanWerewolfInLondon''.
** Finally, Gauru resembles the now-iconic "manwolf" that has become heavily associated with werewolves in modern culture and which can be arguably traced back to film via TheHowling.''Film/TheHowling''.
25th May '13 1:05:40 AM WanderingBrowser
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* FanNickname: The Iron Masters have a sub-faction called the Lodge of Spires, which is dedicated to being the perfect urban predator, or to put it simply, mastering the geography of the city like your standard werewolf would master the forest. It didn't take long for this group to be called The Lodge of Batman or occasionally The Lodge of the Goddamn Batman

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* FanNickname: The Iron Masters have a sub-faction called the Lodge of Spires, which is dedicated to being the perfect urban predator, or to put it simply, mastering the geography of the city like your standard werewolf would master the forest. It didn't take long for this group to be called The Lodge of Batman or occasionally The Lodge of the Goddamn BatmanBatman.
* FridgeBrilliance: The four non-human forms of MultiformBalance are references to the most iconic werewolf forms in modern culture.
**Urhan clearly owes its lineage to most forms of actual mythological depictions of the werewolf.
** Dalu is based on the iconic "wolfman" form of film, first seen in Universal Horror's TheWolfMan.
** Urshul arguably has some mythological basis, but can most easily be connected to the werewolf as depicted in AnAmericanWerewolfInLondon.
** Finally, Gauru resembles the now-iconic "manwolf" that has become heavily associated with werewolves in modern culture and which can be arguably traced back to film via TheHowling.
21st Apr '13 7:18:05 PM Willbyr
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* NightmareFuel: See its page for more details.

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* NightmareFuel: See [[NightmareFuel/WerewolfTheForsaken Has its page for more details.own page.]]
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