History YMMV / WerewolfTheForsaken

27th May '17 9:50:14 AM Andreus
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* FridgeBrilliance: The four non-human forms of MultiformBalance are references to the most iconic werewolf forms in modern culture.
** Urhan clearly owes its lineage to most forms of actual mythological depictions of the werewolf.
** Dalu is based on the iconic "wolfman" form of film, first seen in [[Franchise/UniversalHorror Universal's]] ''Film/TheWolfMan1941''.
** Urshul arguably has some mythological basis, but can most easily be connected to the werewolf as depicted in ''Film/AnAmericanWerewolfInLondon''.
** Finally, Gauru resembles the now-iconic "manwolf" that has become heavily associated with werewolves in modern culture and which can be arguably traced back to film via ''Film/TheHowling''.

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* FridgeBrilliance: FridgeBrilliance:
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The four non-human forms of MultiformBalance are references to the most iconic werewolf forms in modern culture.
** *** Urhan clearly owes its lineage to most forms of actual mythological depictions of the werewolf.
** *** Dalu is based on the iconic "wolfman" form of film, first seen in [[Franchise/UniversalHorror Universal's]] ''Film/TheWolfMan1941''.
** *** Urshul arguably has some mythological basis, but can most easily be connected to the werewolf as depicted in ''Film/AnAmericanWerewolfInLondon''.
** *** Finally, Gauru resembles the now-iconic "manwolf" that has become heavily associated with werewolves in modern culture and which can be arguably traced back to film via ''Film/TheHowling''.''Film/TheHowling''.
** WerewolfTheForsaken is perhaps one of the first pieces of urban fantasy werewolf literature to actually address the implications of humans landing on the moon.
6th Jun '16 4:41:56 PM Doug86
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** Dalu is based on the iconic "wolfman" form of film, first seen in [[UniversalHorror Universal's]] ''Film/TheWolfMan1941''.

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** Dalu is based on the iconic "wolfman" form of film, first seen in [[UniversalHorror [[Franchise/UniversalHorror Universal's]] ''Film/TheWolfMan1941''.
30th May '15 8:45:44 PM WillBGood
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** [[FishPeople The Brine Born]] ''seem'' like they'd be the evil guys, being shameless {{Shout Outs}} to the [[Creator/HPLovecraft Deep Ones]]...and even their own myths emphasize what a miserable, luckless people they are, with their own progenitor being kicked out by Mother Ocean when he failed to take over the world in her name. They suffer a race-wide case of what is implied to be StockholmSyndrome for Mother Ocean, mainly because they can't live inland, but they can't live in her because of a species-wide phobia of the deep. Of course, they're were-fish, so they ''have'' to go in the water very frequently. And the icing on the cake? They can't even live in isolation from normal humans, since they need to interbreed with {{Muggle}}s for a sane child. Even the intro emphasizes TheGrotesque aspect of them: After an initial buildup that seems worthy of a Lovecraft novel, when a human woman gives birth to her Brine Born child, the entire message flips when the werewolves observing the event [[MoralEventHorizon reveals they murdered the whole settlement, both human and Brine Born, and plan to dash the baby against a rock]].

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** [[FishPeople The Brine Born]] ''seem'' like they'd be the evil guys, being shameless {{Shout Outs}} Out}}s to the [[Creator/HPLovecraft Deep Ones]]...and even their own myths emphasize what a miserable, luckless people they are, with their own progenitor being kicked out by Mother Ocean when he failed to take over the world in her name. They suffer a race-wide case of what is implied to be StockholmSyndrome for Mother Ocean, mainly because they can't live inland, but they can't live in her because of a species-wide phobia of the deep. Of course, they're were-fish, so they ''have'' to go in the water very frequently. And the icing on the cake? They can't even live in isolation from normal humans, since they need to interbreed with {{Muggle}}s for a sane child. Even the intro emphasizes TheGrotesque aspect of them: After an initial buildup that seems worthy of a Lovecraft novel, when a human woman gives birth to her Brine Born child, the entire message flips when the werewolves observing the event [[MoralEventHorizon reveals they murdered the whole settlement, both human and Brine Born, and plan to dash the baby against a rock]].
17th Mar '15 8:35:48 AM nombretomado
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* FanonDiscontinuity: ''Changing Breeds'' is hated for numerous reasons -- the writing quality is poor, with rules that are [[GameBreaker easily exploitable]] or overpowered, and generally of lower quality compared to earlier splatbooks with similar rules, such as ''War Against the Pure''. Furthermore, the book's fluff presents a ''very'' hamhanded take on a man vs. nature motif, outright ''encouraging'' players to be kill-happy sociopaths dedicated to the destruction of humanity and/or human civilisation. More than one negative reviewer has compared it to the worst elements of ''TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse''. It has also [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking been accused of pandering to the]] FurryFandom.

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* FanonDiscontinuity: ''Changing Breeds'' is hated for numerous reasons -- the writing quality is poor, with rules that are [[GameBreaker easily exploitable]] or overpowered, and generally of lower quality compared to earlier splatbooks with similar rules, such as ''War Against the Pure''. Furthermore, the book's fluff presents a ''very'' hamhanded take on a man vs. nature motif, outright ''encouraging'' players to be kill-happy sociopaths dedicated to the destruction of humanity and/or human civilisation. More than one negative reviewer has compared it to the worst elements of ''TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse''. It has also [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking been accused of pandering to the]] FurryFandom.UsefulNotes/FurryFandom.
11th Mar '15 7:07:34 PM MagBas
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* UnfortunateImplications: ''Unihar'', or ''Spirit Wolves'', hit a lot of triggers and sensitive spots about abortion, miscarriage, sexual inequality and the like. The authors, by WordOfGod, came to agree that they were a poor choice for avoiding the Metis of TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse, and so as mentioned on the main page under CanonDiscontinuity they were stricken from the second edition.
8th Mar '15 12:15:39 PM WanderingBrowser
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* CanonDiscontinuity: In the second edition reboot, the Unihar -- Spirit Wolves -- were removed from continuity. WordOfGod from the authors is that they received a lot of outcry about the UnfortunateImplications (in essence, the lore hit a ''lot'' of trigger buttons about miscarriages and abortion) and agreed the Spirit Wolves were a poor addition to the lore in the hindsight, even with the goal of preventing the Metis of TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse.


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* UnfortunateImplications: ''Unihar'', or ''Spirit Wolves'', hit a lot of triggers and sensitive spots about abortion, miscarriage, sexual inequality and the like. The authors, by WordOfGod, came to agree that they were a poor choice for avoiding the Metis of TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse, and so as mentioned on the main page under CanonDiscontinuity they were stricken from the second edition.
8th Mar '15 12:05:53 PM WanderingBrowser
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* CanonDiscontinuity: In the second edition reboot, the Unihar -- Spirit Wolves -- were removed from continuity. WordOfGod from the authors is that they received a lot of outcry about the UnfortunateImplications (in essence, the lore hit a ''lot'' of trigger buttons about miscarriages and abortion) and agreed the Spirit Wolves were a poor addition to the lore in the hindsight, even with the goal of preventing the Metis of TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse.
1st Oct '14 5:21:35 PM WanderingBrowser
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* FanonDiscontinuity -- ''Changing Breeds'' is hated for numerous reasons, such as other sourcebooks serving the same purpose, but better.

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* FanonDiscontinuity -- FanonDiscontinuity: ''Changing Breeds'' is hated for numerous reasons, reasons -- the writing quality is poor, with rules that are [[GameBreaker easily exploitable]] or overpowered, and generally of lower quality compared to earlier splatbooks with similar rules, such as other sourcebooks serving ''War Against the same purpose, but better.Pure''. Furthermore, the book's fluff presents a ''very'' hamhanded take on a man vs. nature motif, outright ''encouraging'' players to be kill-happy sociopaths dedicated to the destruction of humanity and/or human civilisation. More than one negative reviewer has compared it to the worst elements of ''TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse''. It has also [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking been accused of pandering to the]] FurryFandom.
26th Oct '13 10:51:39 AM erforce
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** Dalu is based on the iconic "wolfman" form of film, first seen in Universal Horror's TheWolfMan.

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** Dalu is based on the iconic "wolfman" form of film, first seen in Universal Horror's TheWolfMan.[[UniversalHorror Universal's]] ''Film/TheWolfMan1941''.
6th Jun '13 7:44:16 AM erforce
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** Urshul arguably has some mythological basis, but can most easily be connected to the werewolf as depicted in AnAmericanWerewolfInLondon.
** Finally, Gauru resembles the now-iconic "manwolf" that has become heavily associated with werewolves in modern culture and which can be arguably traced back to film via TheHowling.

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** Urshul arguably has some mythological basis, but can most easily be connected to the werewolf as depicted in AnAmericanWerewolfInLondon.''Film/AnAmericanWerewolfInLondon''.
** Finally, Gauru resembles the now-iconic "manwolf" that has become heavily associated with werewolves in modern culture and which can be arguably traced back to film via TheHowling.''Film/TheHowling''.
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