History YMMV / Venom2018

9th Apr '18 6:13:06 PM NightShade96
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* ScapegoatCreator: Amy Pascal, who is simply one of several ''producers'', gets a lot of the hate for both this film and ''Film/SilverAndBlack'' directed at her exclusively, to the point that those who've decided that they already hate the films openly want her to get fired from Sony [[FridgeLogic as if she's the only person trying to have the films made]] and blame her for the supposed terrible quality [[InsaneTrollLogic of films that haven't even had trailers released yet]]. This is most likely due to her being a major driving force behind ''Film/Ghostbusters2016'', which caused damage to that franchise due to [[BoxOfficeBomb its financial failure]] resulting from all the [[OvershadowedByControversy controversy over the direction and cast]], as well as greenlighting ''WesternAnimation/TheEmojiMovie'', which has developed a reputation for being one of the ''worst'' animated films in years, and its very existence has [[NeverLiveItDown painted Sony as a company that has no standards and will do anything to try and make money as opposed to creating good films]], and although the surprise success of ''Film/JumanjiWelcomeToTheJungle'' is undeniably a step in the right direction for the studio, the ones mocking [[AudienceAlienatingPremise a Venom movie without Spider-Man]] [[AccentuateTheNegative are all too happy to ignore any successes under Sony's belt.]]

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* ScapegoatCreator: Amy Pascal, who is simply one of several ''producers'', gets a lot of the hate for both this film and ''Film/SilverAndBlack'' directed at her exclusively, to the point that those who've decided that they already hate the films openly want her to get fired from Sony [[FridgeLogic as if she's the only person trying to have the films made]] and blame her for the supposed terrible quality [[InsaneTrollLogic of films that haven't even had trailers released yet]]. This is most likely due to her being a major driving force behind ''Film/Ghostbusters2016'', which caused damage to that franchise due to [[BoxOfficeBomb its financial failure]] resulting from all the [[InternetBackdraft flame wars]] and [[OvershadowedByControversy controversy over the direction and cast]], as well as greenlighting ''WesternAnimation/TheEmojiMovie'', which has developed a reputation for being one of the ''worst'' animated films in years, and its very existence has [[NeverLiveItDown painted Sony as a company that has no standards standards]] and will [[MoneyDearBoy do anything to try and make money as opposed to creating good films]], and although the surprise success of ''Film/JumanjiWelcomeToTheJungle'' is undeniably [[WinBackTheCrowd a step in the right direction for the studio, studio]], the ones mocking [[AudienceAlienatingPremise the idea of a Venom movie without Spider-Man]] [[AccentuateTheNegative are all too happy to ignore any successes under Sony's belt.]]
13th Mar '18 4:59:56 PM Saveelich
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The rumors that the movie will [[AdaptedOut completely divorce itself]] from the ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' property -- which is crucial to Venom's story, character design, superpowers, and the appeal to the character -- has left a number of fans wondering what the point of this movie is and why Sony should even bother with making it. The answers are likely to be found in the Avi Arad/Matt Tolmach duo, who pushed for the film to get made despite both the blatant diminishing returns of ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'' and the current Sony / Creator/MarvelStudios partnership that gave birth to Creator/TomHolland's Spider-Man. The fact that Sony is responsible for producing some of [[Film/{{Pixels}} the]] [[Film/Ghostbusters2016 most]] [[WesternAnimation/TheEmojiMovie hated]] [[Film/PeterRabbit movies]] [[InternetBackdraft of recent Internet memory]] is surely not helping matters, either. In addition, [[Film/{{Catwoman}} the last time]] a similar attempt was made, it was a critical and financial failure, further reducing confidence in this movie's success. Also not helping is the fact that both studios are giving [[FlipFlopOfGod multiple contradictory statements]] about how the film does or doesn't tie into the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, raising suspicions that little real thought is being put into it.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The rumors that the movie will [[AdaptedOut completely divorce itself]] from the ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' property -- which is crucial to Venom's story, character design, superpowers, and the appeal to the character -- has left a number of fans wondering what the point of this movie is and why Sony should even bother with making it. The answers are likely to be found in the Avi Arad/Matt Tolmach duo, who pushed for the film to get made despite both the blatant diminishing returns of ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'' and the current Sony / Creator/MarvelStudios partnership that gave birth to Creator/TomHolland's Spider-Man.Spider-Man with much success. The fact that Sony is responsible for producing some of [[Film/{{Pixels}} the]] [[Film/Ghostbusters2016 most]] [[WesternAnimation/TheEmojiMovie hated]] [[Film/PeterRabbit movies]] [[InternetBackdraft of recent Internet memory]] is surely not helping matters, either. In addition, [[Film/{{Catwoman}} the last time]] a similar attempt was made, it was a critical and financial failure, further reducing confidence in this movie's success. Also not helping is the fact that both studios are giving [[FlipFlopOfGod multiple contradictory statements]] about how the film does or doesn't tie into the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, raising suspicions that little real thought is being put into it.
9th Mar '18 5:54:45 PM NightShade96
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* ScapegoatCreator: Amy Pascal, who is simply one of several ''producers'', gets a lot of the hate for both this film and ''Film/SilverAndBlack'' directed at her exclusively, to the point that those who've decided that they already hate the films openly want her to get fired from Sony [[FridgeLogic as if she's the only person trying to have the films made]] and blame her for the supposed terrible quality [[InsaneTrollLogic of films that haven't even had trailers released yet]]. This is most likely due to her being a major driving force behind ''Film/Ghostbusters2016'', which caused damage to that franchise due to [[BoxOfficeBomb its financial failure]] resulting from all the [[OvershadowedByControversy controversy over the direction and cast]], as well as greenlighting ''WesternAnimation/TheEmojiMovie'', which has developed a reputation for being one of the ''worst'' animated films in years, and its very existence has [[NeverLiveItDown painted Sony as a company that will do anything to try and make money as opposed to creating good films]], and although the surprise success of ''Film/JumanjiWelcomeToTheJungle'' is undeniably a step in the right direction for the studio, the ones mocking [[AudienceAlienatingPremise a Venom movie without Spider-Man]] [[AccentuateTheNegative are all too happy to ignore any successes under Sony's belt.]]

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* ScapegoatCreator: Amy Pascal, who is simply one of several ''producers'', gets a lot of the hate for both this film and ''Film/SilverAndBlack'' directed at her exclusively, to the point that those who've decided that they already hate the films openly want her to get fired from Sony [[FridgeLogic as if she's the only person trying to have the films made]] and blame her for the supposed terrible quality [[InsaneTrollLogic of films that haven't even had trailers released yet]]. This is most likely due to her being a major driving force behind ''Film/Ghostbusters2016'', which caused damage to that franchise due to [[BoxOfficeBomb its financial failure]] resulting from all the [[OvershadowedByControversy controversy over the direction and cast]], as well as greenlighting ''WesternAnimation/TheEmojiMovie'', which has developed a reputation for being one of the ''worst'' animated films in years, and its very existence has [[NeverLiveItDown painted Sony as a company that has no standards and will do anything to try and make money as opposed to creating good films]], and although the surprise success of ''Film/JumanjiWelcomeToTheJungle'' is undeniably a step in the right direction for the studio, the ones mocking [[AudienceAlienatingPremise a Venom movie without Spider-Man]] [[AccentuateTheNegative are all too happy to ignore any successes under Sony's belt.]]
7th Mar '18 11:49:15 PM KingClark
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** If the film being about Venom didn't win people over, the reveal that ComicBook/{{Carnage}} would be the BigBad certainly did.
4th Mar '18 7:13:46 PM NightShade96
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* TaintedByThePreview: The first teaser trailer was panned by fans across the Internet, as it didn't actually feature Venom himself. The overall consensus seems to be that it looked like a generic action-thriller that just happened [[InNameOnly to share a name with a Marvel character]], and even acknowledging that principal photography was wrapped up not long ago it's generally agreed upon that the teaser should've been released later when enough of CGI for Venom was finished, instead of making it feel like it was rushed out. Many people have gleefully pointed to what happened [[Film/FantasticFour2015 the last time]] Sony tried making a DarkerAndEdgier adaptation of a Marvel franchise [[InNameOnly with little relation to the source material]] and a "grounded" approach to its sci-fi superpowers as an example of what's likely to happen with this film.

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* TaintedByThePreview: The first teaser trailer was panned by fans across the Internet, as it didn't actually feature Venom himself. The overall consensus seems to be that it looked like a generic action-thriller that just happened [[InNameOnly to share a name with a Marvel character]], and even acknowledging that principal photography was wrapped up not long ago it's generally agreed upon that the teaser should've been released later when enough of CGI for Venom was finished, instead of making it feel like it was rushed out. Many people have gleefully pointed to what happened [[Film/FantasticFour2015 the last time]] Sony [[Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox another studio]] tried making a DarkerAndEdgier adaptation of a Marvel franchise [[InNameOnly with little relation to the source material]] and a "grounded" approach to its sci-fi superpowers as an example of what's likely to happen with this film.
4th Mar '18 9:33:18 AM smasll_lordvoice
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* TaintedByThePreview: The first teaser trailer was panned by fans across the Internet, as it didn't actually feature Venom himself. The overall consensus seems to be that it looked like a generic action-thriller that just happened [[InNameOnly to share a name with a Marvel character]], and even acknowledging that principal photography was wrapped up not long ago it's generally agreed upon that the teaser should've been released later when enough of CGI for Venom was finished, instead of making it feel like it was rushed out.

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* TaintedByThePreview: The first teaser trailer was panned by fans across the Internet, as it didn't actually feature Venom himself. The overall consensus seems to be that it looked like a generic action-thriller that just happened [[InNameOnly to share a name with a Marvel character]], and even acknowledging that principal photography was wrapped up not long ago it's generally agreed upon that the teaser should've been released later when enough of CGI for Venom was finished, instead of making it feel like it was rushed out. Many people have gleefully pointed to what happened [[Film/FantasticFour2015 the last time]] Sony tried making a DarkerAndEdgier adaptation of a Marvel franchise [[InNameOnly with little relation to the source material]] and a "grounded" approach to its sci-fi superpowers as an example of what's likely to happen with this film.
26th Feb '18 4:56:35 PM fusilcontrafusil
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** Venom's actor Creator/TomHardy previously starred as the supervillain ComicBook/{{Bane}} in ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'', a character who gets his strength from a steroid called ''[[NamesTheSame venom]]'' [[note]]However, this aspect of the character's backstory was AdaptedOut of Hardy's portrayal[[/note]], and is basically perceived as Venom's AlternateCompanyEquivalent.

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** Venom's actor Creator/TomHardy previously starred as the supervillain ComicBook/{{Bane}} in ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'', a character who gets his strength from a steroid called ''[[NamesTheSame venom]]'' Venom]]''.[[note]]However, this aspect of the character's backstory character was AdaptedOut of Hardy's portrayal[[/note]], and portrayal.[[/note]] Bane is also basically perceived as Venom's AlternateCompanyEquivalent.
24th Feb '18 11:44:29 PM NightShade96
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* ScapegoatCreator: Amy Pascal, who is simply one of several ''producers'', gets a lot of the hate for both this film and ''Film/SilverAndBlack'' directed at her exclusively, to the point that those who've decided that they already hate the films openly want her to get fired from Sony [[FridgeLogic as if she's the only person trying to have the films made]] and blame her for the supposed terrible quality [[InsaneTrollLogic of films that haven't even had trailers released yet]]. This is most likely due to her being a major driving force behind ''Film/Ghostbusters2016'', which caused damage to that franchise due to [[BoxOfficeBomb its financial failure]] resulting from all the [[OvershadowedByControversy controversy over the direction and cast]], as well as greenlighting ''WesternAnimation/TheEmojiMovie'', which has developed a reputation for being one of the ''worst'' animated films in years, and its very existence has [[NeverLiveItDown painted Sony as a company that will do anything to try and make money as opposed to creating good films]], and although the surprise success of ''Film/JumanjiWelcomeToTheJungle'' is undeniably a step in the right direction for the studio, [[AccentuateTheNegative the ones mocking]] [[AudienceAlienatingPremise a Venom movie without Spider-Man]] [[AccentuateTheNegative are all too happy to ignore any successes under Sony's belt.]]

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* ScapegoatCreator: Amy Pascal, who is simply one of several ''producers'', gets a lot of the hate for both this film and ''Film/SilverAndBlack'' directed at her exclusively, to the point that those who've decided that they already hate the films openly want her to get fired from Sony [[FridgeLogic as if she's the only person trying to have the films made]] and blame her for the supposed terrible quality [[InsaneTrollLogic of films that haven't even had trailers released yet]]. This is most likely due to her being a major driving force behind ''Film/Ghostbusters2016'', which caused damage to that franchise due to [[BoxOfficeBomb its financial failure]] resulting from all the [[OvershadowedByControversy controversy over the direction and cast]], as well as greenlighting ''WesternAnimation/TheEmojiMovie'', which has developed a reputation for being one of the ''worst'' animated films in years, and its very existence has [[NeverLiveItDown painted Sony as a company that will do anything to try and make money as opposed to creating good films]], and although the surprise success of ''Film/JumanjiWelcomeToTheJungle'' is undeniably a step in the right direction for the studio, [[AccentuateTheNegative the ones mocking]] mocking [[AudienceAlienatingPremise a Venom movie without Spider-Man]] [[AccentuateTheNegative are all too happy to ignore any successes under Sony's belt.]]
24th Feb '18 11:42:13 PM NightShade96
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* ScapegoatCreator: Amy Pascal, who is simply one of several ''producers'', gets a lot of the hate for both this film and ''Film/SilverAndBlack'' directed at her exclusively, to the point that those who've decided that they already hate the films openly want her to get fired from Sony [[FridgeLogic as if she's the only person trying to have the films made]] and blame her for the supposed terrible quality [[InsaneTrollLogic of films that haven't even had trailers released yet]]. This is most likely due to her being a major driving force behind ''Film/Ghostbusters2016'', which caused damage to that franchise due to [[BoxOfficeBomb its financial failure]] resulting from all the [[OvershadowedByControversy controversy over the direction and cast]], as well as greenlighting ''WesternAnimation/TheEmojiMovie'', which has developed a reputation for being one of the ''worst'' animated films in years, and its very existence has [[NeverLiveItDown painted Sony as a company that will do anything to get money as opposed to creating good films]], and although the surprise success of ''Film/JumanjiWelcomeToTheJungle'' is undeniably a step in the right direction for the studio, [[AccentuateTheNegative the ones mocking a Venom movie without Spider-Man are all too happy to ignore successes under Sony's belt.]]

to:

* ScapegoatCreator: Amy Pascal, who is simply one of several ''producers'', gets a lot of the hate for both this film and ''Film/SilverAndBlack'' directed at her exclusively, to the point that those who've decided that they already hate the films openly want her to get fired from Sony [[FridgeLogic as if she's the only person trying to have the films made]] and blame her for the supposed terrible quality [[InsaneTrollLogic of films that haven't even had trailers released yet]]. This is most likely due to her being a major driving force behind ''Film/Ghostbusters2016'', which caused damage to that franchise due to [[BoxOfficeBomb its financial failure]] resulting from all the [[OvershadowedByControversy controversy over the direction and cast]], as well as greenlighting ''WesternAnimation/TheEmojiMovie'', which has developed a reputation for being one of the ''worst'' animated films in years, and its very existence has [[NeverLiveItDown painted Sony as a company that will do anything to get try and make money as opposed to creating good films]], and although the surprise success of ''Film/JumanjiWelcomeToTheJungle'' is undeniably a step in the right direction for the studio, [[AccentuateTheNegative the ones mocking mocking]] [[AudienceAlienatingPremise a Venom movie without Spider-Man Spider-Man]] [[AccentuateTheNegative are all too happy to ignore any successes under Sony's belt.]]
22nd Feb '18 8:31:30 PM NightShade96
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* NightmareFuel: If Eddie's freak-out and TaintedVeins are any indication, the Venom symbiote is no longer just attached to him as clothes, but has taken residence inside his very body.
** And if Brockís scream is any indication, itís very likely that the bonding process is not particularly pleasant.
*** Or it could be worse. The symbiote might already be a part of him and they're trying to FORCE IT off of him.
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