History YMMV / VandalHearts

15th Apr '15 6:15:58 AM Eyeshield
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* GameBreaker: The secret Vandalier class from the first game. It has all spells in the entire game, enemy spells included, the highest attack and defence values, no natural weakness, and it blocks all attacks from the front and most attacks from the sides. It can one-shot ''every enemy'' it encounters except for the final boss, and that includes the final boss's second form.
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* GameBreaker: The secret Vandalier class from the first game. It has all spells in the entire game, enemy spells included, the highest attack and defence values, no natural weakness, and it blocks all attacks from the front and most attacks from the sides. It can one-shot ''every enemy'' it encounters except for the final boss, and that includes the final boss's second form. It even has the unique ability to "cast" items as spells... except they all cost zero MP, essentially giving him infinite health, MP and so much more, giving the impression that the devs rewarded the players with a DebugMode. The only downside is that Ash looks like a chicken.
15th Mar '15 2:35:50 PM Morgenthaler
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Please present all Complete Monster candidates in this thread.
* CompleteMonster: Kelbrun Hale in ''Flames of Judgment,'' who spends his first scene bludgeoning a defenseless young woman to death with a sledgehammer, then laughing about it.
21st Jan '15 10:07:03 AM MrDeath
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Unnecessary spoilers
* GameBreaker: The secret Vandalier class from the first game. [[spoiler:It has all spells in the entire game, enemy spells included, the highest attack and defence values, no natural weakness, and it blocks all attacks from the front and most attacks from the sides.]] It can one-shot ''every enemy'' it encounters except for the final boss, [[spoiler:and that includes the final boss's second form]].
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* GameBreaker: The secret Vandalier class from the first game. [[spoiler:It It has all spells in the entire game, enemy spells included, the highest attack and defence values, no natural weakness, and it blocks all attacks from the front and most attacks from the sides.]] sides. It can one-shot ''every enemy'' it encounters except for the final boss, [[spoiler:and and that includes the final boss's second form]].form.
30th Dec '14 11:23:28 AM ManCalledTrue
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* GameBreaker: The secret Vandalier class from the first game. [[spoiler:It has all spells in the entire game, enemy spells included, the highest attack and defence values, no natural weakness, and it blocks all attacks from the front and most attacks from the sides.]]
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* GameBreaker: The secret Vandalier class from the first game. [[spoiler:It has all spells in the entire game, enemy spells included, the highest attack and defence values, no natural weakness, and it blocks all attacks from the front and most attacks from the sides.]]]] It can one-shot ''every enemy'' it encounters except for the final boss, [[spoiler:and that includes the final boss's second form]].
13th Jul '13 3:37:53 PM mlsmithca
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* GameBreaker: The secret Vandalier class from the fist game. [[spoiler:It has all spells in the entire game, enemy spells included, the highest attack and defence values, no natural weakness, and it blocks all attacks from the front and most attacks from the sides.]]
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* GameBreaker: The secret Vandalier class from the fist first game. [[spoiler:It has all spells in the entire game, enemy spells included, the highest attack and defence values, no natural weakness, and it blocks all attacks from the front and most attacks from the sides.]]

* ThatOneBoss: Kane as the Black Knight in the final chapter, 1st mission with his Plasma Wave, which deals heavy magical damage to EVERYONE IN YOUR PARTY. And he stands next to an MP recovering panel, and there's still some imperial troops guarding him. Although if Ash becomes a Vandalier before this battle, you can return the favor with your own Plasma Wave. In fact, if you are really patient and don't smash through the barrier, you can actually slowly kill Kane with multiple Plasma Waves and, with the barrier intact, he never turns into the Black Knight. The ending of the battle is still the same. * WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic: The collapse of [[spoiler:Nigran Cathedral]], with symbolism helpfully pointed out by Baron Pratau.
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* ThatOneBoss: From the first game, Kane as the Black Knight in the final chapter, 1st mission with his Plasma Wave, which deals heavy magical damage to EVERYONE IN YOUR PARTY. And he stands next to an MP recovering panel, and there's still some imperial troops guarding him. Although if Ash becomes a Vandalier before this battle, you can return the favor with your own Plasma Wave. In fact, if you are really patient and don't smash through the barrier, you can actually slowly kill Kane with multiple Plasma Waves and, with the barrier intact, he never turns into the Black Knight. The ending of the battle is still the same. * WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic: The collapse of [[spoiler:Nigran Cathedral]], Cathedral]] in ''Vandal Hearts II'', with symbolism helpfully pointed out by Baron Pratau.
13th Jul '13 3:37:08 PM mlsmithca
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Moving an example from the main page and fixing example indentation.
* ContestedSequel: ''Vandal Hearts II'' . The jury's still out on ''Flames of Judgment.'' ** If you bought the second game after playing through the first expecting more of the same (at least semi-)realistic looking characters, nasty-looking animated monsters, and floating backgrounds, as well as gore, character classes, intriguing narration and CGI cutscenes, you're definitely going to be disappointed to find that all the characters in the second game are now animeish, with tiny bodies, over-sized heads and no mouths, the first monsters you encounter are now just cartoonish snakes, no cut scenes, and character classes are now based on equipment along with enemies that can dodge attacks, making battles long, difficult and frustrating.
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* ContestedSequel: ContestedSequel: ** ''Vandal Hearts II'' . The jury's still out on ''Flames of Judgment.'' ** II''. If you bought the second game after playing through the first expecting more of the same (at least semi-)realistic looking characters, nasty-looking animated monsters, and floating backgrounds, as well as gore, character classes, intriguing narration and CGI cutscenes, you're definitely going to be disappointed to find that all the characters in the second game are now animeish, with tiny bodies, over-sized heads and no mouths, the first monsters you encounter are now just cartoonish snakes, no cut scenes, and character classes are now based on equipment along with enemies that can dodge attacks, making battles long, difficult and frustrating. frustrating. ** The jury's still out on ''Flames of Judgment.''

* MagnificentBastard: In the first game, there is Dolf. There is hardly a single character in the entire game that wouldn't have been better off without his meddling schemes.
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* MagnificentBastard: In Two from the first game, there is game: ** Dolf. There is hardly a single character in the entire game that wouldn't have been better off without his meddling schemes.

* ThatOneBoss: Kane as the Black Knight in the final chapter, 1st mission with his Plasma Wave, which deals heavy magical damage to EVERYONE IN YOUR PARTY. And he stands next to an MP recovering panel, and there's still some imperial troops guarding him. ** If Ash becomes a Vandalier before this battle, you can return the favor with your own Plasma Wave. In fact, if you are really patient and don't smash through the barrier, you can actually slowly kill Kane with multiple Plasma Waves and, with the barrier intact, he never turns into the Black Knight. The ending of the battle is still the same. * TheScrappy: The armour classes in I have huge attack and defence, but their terrible movement means they'll never keep up with your sword wielders and flyers. Plus, they're incredibly weak to magic which becomes increasingly prevalent as the game continues. ** And the monk classes, which for the enemies mean a durable and annoying foe with no exploitable weaknesses. For you it means taking one of your few spellcasters, giving them mediocre stats all round in a game based on specific class roles and a poor selection of spells.
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* TheScrappy: Two character classes from the first ''Vandal Hearts'' are particularly unpopular with most players. ** The armour classes have huge attack and defence, but their terrible movement means they'll never keep up with your sword wielders and flyers. Plus, they're incredibly weak to magic which becomes increasingly prevalent as the game continues. ** And the monk classes, which for the enemies mean a durable and annoying foe with no exploitable weaknesses. For you it means taking one of your few spellcasters, giving them mediocre stats all round in a game based on specific class roles and a poor selection of spells. * ThatOneBoss: Kane as the Black Knight in the final chapter, 1st mission with his Plasma Wave, which deals heavy magical damage to EVERYONE IN YOUR PARTY. And he stands next to an MP recovering panel, and there's still some imperial troops guarding him. ** If him. Although if Ash becomes a Vandalier before this battle, you can return the favor with your own Plasma Wave. In fact, if you are really patient and don't smash through the barrier, you can actually slowly kill Kane with multiple Plasma Waves and, with the barrier intact, he never turns into the Black Knight. The ending of the battle is still the same. * TheScrappy: WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic: The armour classes in I have huge attack and defence, but their terrible movement means they'll never keep up collapse of [[spoiler:Nigran Cathedral]], with your sword wielders and flyers. Plus, they're incredibly weak to magic which becomes increasingly prevalent as the game continues. ** And the monk classes, which for the enemies mean a durable and annoying foe with no exploitable weaknesses. For you it means taking one of your few spellcasters, giving them mediocre stats all round in a game based on specific class roles and a poor selection of spells.symbolism helpfully pointed out by Baron Pratau. ----
19th Apr '13 9:36:38 AM twingle93
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** If you bought the second game after playing through the first expecting more of the same (at least semi-)realistic looking characters, nasty-looking animated monsters, and floating backgrounds, as well as gore, character classes, intriguing narration and CGI cutscenes, you're definitely going to be disappointed to find that all the characters in the second game are now animeish, with tiny bodies, over-sized heads and no mouths, the first monsters you encounter are now just cartoonish snakes, no cut scenes, and character classes are now based on equipment along with enemies that can dodge attacks.
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** If you bought the second game after playing through the first expecting more of the same (at least semi-)realistic looking characters, nasty-looking animated monsters, and floating backgrounds, as well as gore, character classes, intriguing narration and CGI cutscenes, you're definitely going to be disappointed to find that all the characters in the second game are now animeish, with tiny bodies, over-sized heads and no mouths, the first monsters you encounter are now just cartoonish snakes, no cut scenes, and character classes are now based on equipment along with enemies that can dodge attacks.attacks, making battles long, difficult and frustrating.
24th Feb '13 9:13:35 PM mlsmithca
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The Complete Monster discussion thread has voted that Kane Spites does not qualify for this trope for mostly acting on orders and for being genuinely affected by the deaths of his comrades in arms and especially his father.
* CompleteMonster: ** [[TheDragon Kane Spites]] in ''Vandal Hearts I,'' who has surrendering prisoners massacred, tortures an elderly captive, and at one point remarks, "You're almost as evil as I." ** Kelbrun Hale in ''Flames of Judgment,'' who spends his first scene bludgeoning a defenseless young woman to death with a sledgehammer, then laughing about it.
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* CompleteMonster: ** [[TheDragon Kane Spites]] in ''Vandal Hearts I,'' who has surrendering prisoners massacred, tortures an elderly captive, and at one point remarks, "You're almost as evil as I." ** CompleteMonster: Kelbrun Hale in ''Flames of Judgment,'' who spends his first scene bludgeoning a defenseless young woman to death with a sledgehammer, then laughing about it.
18th Feb '13 6:12:10 PM mlsmithca
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Per the Complete Monster discussion thread on the forums, Mohosa was disqualified for primarily Offscreen Villainy, while Dolf has a Freudian Excuse for his actions (Magnificent Bastard, yes; monster, no)..
* CompleteMonster: Each game in the series has at least one.
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* CompleteMonster: Each game in the series has at least one.CompleteMonster:

** Warden Mohosa in ''Vandal Hearts II,'' a sadistic prison warden with a [[{{Squick}} taste for young boys.]]

* MagnificentBastard: In the first game, there is [[CompleteMonster Dolf]]. There is hardly a single character in the entire game that wouldn't have been better off without his meddling schemes.
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* MagnificentBastard: In the first game, there is [[CompleteMonster Dolf]].Dolf. There is hardly a single character in the entire game that wouldn't have been better off without his meddling schemes.
16th Jan '13 6:51:06 AM SeptimusHeap
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Alas Poor Villain is being moved back to Main. Examples that don't describe the moment or are purely editor opinion are being deleted.
* AlasPoorVillain: Every game in the series has at least one villain turn semi-sympathetic just before their demise. ** ''Vandal Hearts I's'' [[spoiler: Hel Spites]] gives a speech about his honest intentions moments before being assassinated. ** In ''Vandal Hearts II,'' [[spoiler: [[BlackWidow Queen Agatha]]]] finally opens up and shows caring and compassion... [[spoiler: just before her child poisons and stabs her to death for everything she's done up to that point.]] ** ''Flames of Judgment's'' [[spoiler: Daldren Gray]] is a bit more sympathetic all around, but especially in his last words: [[spoiler: "Have mercy on my little girl."]]
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