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** If it can bleed, Boro will slaughter it in a never before seen fashion with a weapon not fit for the job. If it cannot bleed, think again.

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* ArcFatigue: The Workshop saga had gone on for quite some time (50+ chapters) that people were left wondering if the cast is even trying to climb the tower anymore.

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The Workshop saga had gone on for quite some time (50+ chapters) over 50+ chapters that people were left wondering if the cast is even trying to climb the tower anymore.Tower anymore.
** The Hell Train's ''Revolution Road'' segment got this feeling from some readers due to its sluggish pacing.
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* GrowingTheBeard: Ho [[spoiler: committing suicide]] is seen as a turning point as to how dark this series can actually be.
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** As of the workshop battle, Parakewl has come to [[CrossingTheLineTwice cross the line twice]] as the Scrappy, as the utter ridiculousness and unexpected success of his DirtyCoward antics has made him into a bit of a MemeticBadass.

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* MoralEventHorizon: Although when Baam was pushed to his 'death' at the end of Season One by [[spoiler: Rachel]] was debatable as an Event Horizon as technically, he didn't actually die, and [[spoiler: she arguably KNEW he wasn't going to die,]] as of chapter 131, [[spoiler: Rachel]] has officially crossed from 'potentially misunderstood hero' to 'cold blooded murderer'.
** Or not, since [[spoiler:it turns out she left Edin Dan alive rather than killing him. She still deliberately crippled him, which may be a moral event horizon in some people's eyes, but it's also possible she needed to put up a show for FUG in order to let him live.]]
** [[spoiler: Although that last point is further contested by the fact that she [[LaughingMad laughed insanely]] while alone in her room.]]
** And, [[spoiler: laughing crazily hard ]] when alone, spying on people resolving to isolate and, possibly, ''murder'' you [[spoiler: (when you're in on the dark joke that two are moles of FUG and nominally already working for you, so: yeah, like that'll stick, as you are already undermining those plans, thanks)]] crosses into complete and irredeemable immorality, how? It's hardly the killing of hundreds. Let's face it: Rachel is such a BaseBreaker, a few people will see her eating quietly in a corner as crossing ''some'' line or other. Let's not go overboard in trying to pin every last, tiny thing she does as proof of being irredeemable, shall we? Please.
** Well, I think what they were trying to say is that the [[spoiler: laughing crazy hard when alone ]] does seem to point towards [[spoiler: "Rachel is genuinely opting to cripple this guy after he mocked her legs in order to get back at him"]] rather than [[spoiler: "Rachel was putting on a show for FUG"]]. Not whether or not [[spoiler: laughing crazy hard]] is in itself a moral event horizon.
** No laughing took place either during or after she knifed Dan. Screaming in rage? Yes: that did, sure. She was too busy putting up a front for Micheal and Apple (probably so they wouldn't be tempted to "treat her for 'flu" thanks to not being hard enough for FUG) to do the EvilLaugh of crossing over and rubbing of hands people like to imagine she did. She did a Bad Thing, yes. But, she's hardly melted people down for weapons, killed hundreds to keep her youth or designed useless experiments that killed many isolated children after she'd already found everything she needed. On the scale of Nasty Things, she's done peanuts. And, rather directly related to acute emotional triggers rather than a burning need to prove how Evil she is.
* One group of people few will argue about crossing the Horizon as a collective are the Acorn Workshop. Thousands of children killed to create Horyang, Cassano, Beta and Emile. All to then... [[spoiler: try screwing Baam over by basically melting him down alive and making him into a weapon without any say in his life from that point onwards.]] Yup: that's pretty bad. Not to mention what else they've probably done with the shinsoo "souls" (which may or may not be alive or sentient) they've warped in this process. Part of FUG also gets into this act, what with their pushing for this outcome in the first place. [[spoiler: Beta]] ''may'' get a pass on the grounds of insanity. Maybe.

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* MoralEventHorizon: Although when Baam was pushed to his 'death' at the end of Season One by [[spoiler: Rachel]] was debatable as an Event Horizon as technically, he didn't %% Given that we still don't know what's actually die, and [[spoiler: she arguably KNEW he wasn't going to die,]] as of chapter 131, [[spoiler: Rachel]] on with Rachel, and this has officially crossed from 'potentially misunderstood hero' to 'cold blooded murderer'.
** Or not, since [[spoiler:it turns out she left Edin Dan alive rather than killing him. She still deliberately crippled him, which may be
become a moral event horizon in some people's eyes, but it's also possible she needed to put up a show lighting rod for FUG in order to let him live.]]
** [[spoiler: Although that last point is further contested by the fact that she [[LaughingMad laughed insanely]] while alone in her room.]]
** And, [[spoiler: laughing crazily hard ]] when alone, spying on people resolving to isolate and, possibly, ''murder'' you [[spoiler: (when you're in on the dark joke that two are moles of FUG and nominally already working for you, so: yeah, like that'll stick, as you are already undermining those plans, thanks)]] crosses into complete and irredeemable immorality, how? It's hardly the killing of hundreds. Let's face it:
natter, please do not re-add Rachel is such a BaseBreaker, a few people will see under MoralEventHorizon until her eating quietly in a corner as crossing ''some'' line or other. Let's not go overboard in trying to pin every last, tiny thing she does as proof of being irredeemable, shall we? Please.
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arc is that the [[spoiler: laughing crazy hard when alone ]] does seem to point towards [[spoiler: "Rachel is genuinely opting to cripple this guy after he mocked her legs in order to get back at him"]] rather than [[spoiler: "Rachel was putting on complete. Also, groups cannot have a show for FUG"]]. Not whether or not [[spoiler: laughing crazy hard]] is in itself a moral event horizon.
** No laughing took place either during or after she knifed Dan. Screaming in rage? Yes: that did, sure. She was too busy putting up a front for Micheal and Apple (probably so they wouldn't be tempted to "treat her for 'flu" thanks to not being hard enough for FUG) to do the EvilLaugh of crossing over and rubbing of hands people like to imagine she did. She did a Bad Thing, yes. But, she's hardly melted people down for weapons, killed hundreds to keep her youth or designed useless experiments that killed many isolated children after she'd already found everything she needed. On the scale of Nasty Things, she's done peanuts. And, rather directly related to acute emotional triggers rather than a burning need to prove how Evil she is.
* One group of people few will argue about crossing the Horizon as a collective are the Acorn Workshop. Thousands of children killed to create Horyang, Cassano, Beta and Emile. All to then... [[spoiler: try screwing Baam over by basically melting him down alive and making him into a weapon without any say in his life from that point onwards.]] Yup: that's pretty bad. Not to mention what else they've probably done with the shinsoo "souls" (which may or may not be alive or sentient) they've warped in this process. Part of FUG also gets into this act, what with their pushing for this outcome in the first place. [[spoiler: Beta]] ''may'' get a pass on the grounds of insanity. Maybe.
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HoYay: Many, many characters take an instant liking to Baam and put a lot on the line for him. Special mention goes to Koon who seems to have fixated on Baam after the events with his own sister seemed to have left him without purpose.

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HoYay: *HoYay: Many, many characters take an instant liking to Baam and put a lot on the line for him. Special mention goes to Koon who seems to have fixated on Baam after the events with his own sister seemed to have left him without purpose.
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HoYay: Many, many characters take an instant liking to Baam and put a lot on the line for him. Special mention goes to Koon who seems to have fixated on Baam after the events with his own sister seemed to have left him without purpose.
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*** On the other hand, ''he himself'' sometimes seems to see himself as a SmugSnake, admitting that there's something fundamentally missing from many of his plans -- he has a tendency to lose sight of what he ultimately wants (or to fail to consider what he ''should'' ultimately want) while obsessively focusing on the immediate problem in front of him.

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*** On the other hand, ''he himself'' sometimes seems to see himself as a SmugSnake, admitting that there's something fundamentally missing from many of his plans -- he has a tendency to lose sight of what he ultimately wants (or to fail to consider what he ''should'' ultimately want) while obsessively focusing on the immediate problem in front of him. Rak calls him out on this when pointing out that his plan to make his cousin (who he loved) into a princess was ultimately self-defeating.
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** It may overlap with TrollingCreator, since he said that she's really quite charming once you get to know her in the comments for a page where she does something particularly objectionable.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Several. Though it should be noted that somehow none are more popular then Baam. Most notable are Yeon and Hon Arkraptor, who appeared in Season two and almost immediately became immensely popular despite contributing very little to the plot. Further along the line are Hwa Ryun, Androssi Zahard and Ha Yuri Zahard. One of the oldest fan favourites are still Rak Wraithraiser. On the Ranker's side, Lero-Ro and Yu Han Sung are also quite popular.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Several. Though it should be noted that somehow none are more popular then Baam.
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Most notable are Yeon and Hon Arkraptor, who appeared in Season two and almost immediately became immensely popular despite contributing very little to the plot. plot.
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Further along the line are Hwa Ryun, Androssi Zahard and Ha Yuri Zahard. Zahard.
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One of the oldest fan favourites are is still Rak Wraithraiser. Wraithraiser.
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On the Ranker's side, Lero-Ro and Yu Han Sung are also quite popular.
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* BrokenBase: The ending of the Workshop arc is heading this way. Fans are either happy because it's a perfect reunion for Baam and his friends from the test level, or fans are disappointed for being a simple happy-go-lucky ending that didn't amount to any major twists or turns that Tower of God is famously known for. Or, you're in the third camp that actually ''liked'' the reunion, but was disappointed that an arc that lasted for over 50 chapters didn't amount to anything noteworthy.

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* BrokenBase: The ending of the Workshop arc is heading this way. battle ended up as this. Fans are either happy because it's a perfect reunion for Baam and his friends from the test level, or fans they are disappointed for being a simple happy-go-lucky ending that didn't amount to any major twists twists, or turns turns, that Tower of God is famously known for. Or, [[TakeAThirdOption Or]], you're in the third camp that actually ''liked'' the reunion, but was disappointed that an arc that lasted for over 50 chapters didn't amount to anything noteworthy.
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* BrokenBase: The ending of the Workshop arc is heading this way. Fans are either happy because it's a perfect reunion for Baam and his friends from the test level, or fans are disappointed for being a simple happy-go-lucky ending that didn't amount to any major twists or turns that Tower of God is famously known for. Or, your in the third camp that actually ''liked'' the reunion, but was disappointed that an arc that lasted for over 50 chapters didn't amount to anything noteworthy.

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* BrokenBase: The ending of the Workshop arc is heading this way. Fans are either happy because it's a perfect reunion for Baam and his friends from the test level, or fans are disappointed for being a simple happy-go-lucky ending that didn't amount to any major twists or turns that Tower of God is famously known for. Or, your you're in the third camp that actually ''liked'' the reunion, but was disappointed that an arc that lasted for over 50 chapters didn't amount to anything noteworthy.
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* BrokenBase: The ending of the Workshop arc is heading this way. Fans are either happy because it's a perfect reunion for Baam and his friends from the test level, or fans are disappointed for being a simple happy-go-lucky ending that didn't amount to any major twists or turns that Tower of God is famously known for.

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* BrokenBase: The ending of the Workshop arc is heading this way. Fans are either happy because it's a perfect reunion for Baam and his friends from the test level, or fans are disappointed for being a simple happy-go-lucky ending that didn't amount to any major twists or turns that Tower of God is famously known for. Or, your in the third camp that actually ''liked'' the reunion, but was disappointed that an arc that lasted for over 50 chapters didn't amount to anything noteworthy.
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* BrokenBase: The ending of the Workshop arc is heading this way. Fans are either happy because it's a perfect reunion for Baam and his friends from the test level, or fans are disappointed for being a simple happy-go-lucky ending that didn't amount to any major twists or turns that Tower of God is famously known for.
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** Despite his [[TheScrappy scrappy]] status, Parakewl has quite a following amongst those who honor him for continuing the glorious ''revolution''.
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* ArcFatigue: The Workshop saga had gone on for quite some time (50+ chapters) that people were left wondering if the cast is even trying to climb the tower anymore.
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* CanonSue: Pre-timeskip Baam is sometimes accused of this for various reasons, mostly being a fairly quiet and passive character who nontheless manages to make some very powerful and devoted friends effortlessly and gains a lot more power than would be normal at this stage. This seems to be deliberate, given that he's called out for it by both Rachel and Ho, and it mostly disappears after the timeskip, where he becomes a lot more proactive.

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*** There's no real saying what Headon was actually alluding to. The words are that vague, they could mean anything from "you were selfish in how you cared for him for your own reasons and never really loved him for himself" or "you scammed him from the start" or "you're a self-delusional fantasist and know in your heart of hearts you've never been what you've advertised yourself as to anybody, least of all him". There's no saying which he was after. Until we know how or why Rachel knew to look for Baam in the first place or what her situation actually was, we don't have a clue what specific thing Headon was getting at.

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*** There's no real saying what Headon was actually alluding to. The words are that vague, they could mean anything from "you were selfish in how you cared for him for your own reasons and never really loved him for himself" or "you deliberately scammed him from the start" or "you're a self-delusional fantasist and know in your heart of hearts you've never been what you've advertised yourself as to anybody, least of all him".him, but also yourself". There's no saying which he was after. Until we know how or why Rachel knew to look for Baam in the first place or what her situation actually was, we don't have a clue what specific thing Headon was getting at.


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** No laughing took place either during or after she knifed Dan. Screaming in rage? Yes: that did, sure. She was too busy putting up a front for Micheal and Apple (probably so they wouldn't be tempted to "treat her for 'flu" thanks to not being hard enough for FUG) to do the EvilLaugh of crossing over and rubbing of hands people like to imagine she did. She did a Bad Thing, yes. But, she's hardly melted people down for weapons, killed hundreds to keep her youth or designed useless experiments that killed many isolated children after she'd already found everything she needed. On the scale of Nasty Things, she's done peanuts. And, rather directly related to acute emotional triggers rather than a burning need to prove how Evil she is.
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*** There's no real saying what Headon was actually alluding to. The words are that vague, they could mean anything from "you were selfish in how you cared for him for your own reasons and never really loved him for himself" or "you scammed him from the start" or "you're a self-delusional fantasist and know in your heart of hearts you've never been what you've advertised yourself as to anybody, least of all him". There's no saying which he was after. Until we know how or why Rachel knew to look for Baam in the first place or what her situation actually was, we don't have a clue what specific thing Headon was getting at.
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** Well, I think what they were trying to say is that the [[spoiler: laughing crazy hard when alone ]] does seem to point towards [[spoiler: "Rachel is genuinely opting to cripple this guy after he mocked her legs in order to get back at him"]] rather than [[spoiler: "Rachel was putting on a show for FUG"]]. Not whether or not [[spoiler: laughing crazy hard]] is in itself a moral event horizon.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Several. Though it should be noted that somehow none are more popular then Baam. Most notable are Yeon and Hon Arkraptor, who appeared in Season two and almost immediately became immensely popular despite contributing very little to the plot. Further along the line are Hwa Ryun, Androssi Zahard and Ha Yuri Zahard. One of the oldest fan favourites are still Rak Wraithraiser and Koon Agero Agnis. On the Ranker's side, Lero-Ro and Yu Han Sung are also quite popular.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Several. Though it should be noted that somehow none are more popular then Baam. Most notable are Yeon and Hon Arkraptor, who appeared in Season two and almost immediately became immensely popular despite contributing very little to the plot. Further along the line are Hwa Ryun, Androssi Zahard and Ha Yuri Zahard. One of the oldest fan favourites are still Rak Wraithraiser and Koon Agero Agnis.Wraithraiser. On the Ranker's side, Lero-Ro and Yu Han Sung are also quite popular.
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** And, laughing crazily when alone, spying on people resolving to isolate and, possibly, kill you [[spoiler: (when you're in on the dark joke that two are moles of FUG and nominally working for you, so: yeah, like that'll stick)]] crosses into complete immorality, how? Let's face it: Rachel is such a BaseBreaker, a few people will see her eating quietly in a corner as crossing ''some'' line or other. Let's not go overboard in trying to pin every last, tiny thing she does as proof of being irredeemable, shall we? Please.

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** And, [[spoiler: laughing crazily hard ]] when alone, spying on people resolving to isolate and, possibly, kill ''murder'' you [[spoiler: (when you're in on the dark joke that two are moles of FUG and nominally already working for you, so: yeah, like that'll stick)]] stick, as you are already undermining those plans, thanks)]] crosses into complete and irredeemable immorality, how? how? It's hardly the killing of hundreds. Let's face it: Rachel is such a BaseBreaker, a few people will see her eating quietly in a corner as crossing ''some'' line or other. Let's not go overboard in trying to pin every last, tiny thing she does as proof of being irredeemable, shall we? Please.
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* One group of people few will argue about crossing the Horizon as a collective are the Acorn Workshop. Thousands of children killed to create Horyang, Cassano, Beta and Emile. All to then... [[spoiler: try screwing Baam over by basically melting him down alive and making him into a weapon without any say in his life from that point onwards.]] Yup: that's pretty bad. Not to mention what else they've probably done with the shinsoo "souls" (which may or may not be alive or sentient) they've warped in this process. Part of FUG also gets into this act, what with their pushing for this outcome in the first place.

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* One group of people few will argue about crossing the Horizon as a collective are the Acorn Workshop. Thousands of children killed to create Horyang, Cassano, Beta and Emile. All to then... [[spoiler: try screwing Baam over by basically melting him down alive and making him into a weapon without any say in his life from that point onwards.]] Yup: that's pretty bad. Not to mention what else they've probably done with the shinsoo "souls" (which may or may not be alive or sentient) they've warped in this process. Part of FUG also gets into this act, what with their pushing for this outcome in the first place. [[spoiler: Beta]] ''may'' get a pass on the grounds of insanity. Maybe.
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** And, laughing crazily when alone, spying on people resoling to isolate and, possibly, kill you [[spoiler: (when you're in on the dark joke that two are moles of FUG and nominally working for you, so: yeah, like that'll stick) crosses into complete immorality, how? Let's face it: Rachel is such a BaseBreaker, people will see her eating quietly in a corner as crossing ''some'' line or other. Let's not go overboard in trying to pin every last thing she does as irredeemable, shall we?
* One group of people few will argue about crossing the Horizon are the Acorn Workshop. Thousands of children killed to create Hoyrang, Cassano, Beta and Emile. All to then... [[spoiler: try screwing Baam over by making him into a weapon without say in his life.]] Yup: that's pretty bad. Part of FUG also gets into this act, what with their pushing for this outcome in the first place.

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** And, laughing crazily when alone, spying on people resoling resolving to isolate and, possibly, kill you [[spoiler: (when you're in on the dark joke that two are moles of FUG and nominally working for you, so: yeah, like that'll stick) stick)]] crosses into complete immorality, how? Let's face it: Rachel is such a BaseBreaker, a few people will see her eating quietly in a corner as crossing ''some'' line or other. Let's not go overboard in trying to pin every last last, tiny thing she does as proof of being irredeemable, shall we?
we? Please.
* One group of people few will argue about crossing the Horizon as a collective are the Acorn Workshop. Thousands of children killed to create Hoyrang, Horyang, Cassano, Beta and Emile. All to then... [[spoiler: try screwing Baam over by basically melting him down alive and making him into a weapon without any say in his life.life from that point onwards.]] Yup: that's pretty bad. Not to mention what else they've probably done with the shinsoo "souls" (which may or may not be alive or sentient) they've warped in this process. Part of FUG also gets into this act, what with their pushing for this outcome in the first place.
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** And, laughing crazily when alone, spying on people resoling to isolate and, possibly, kill you [[spoiler: (when you're in on the dark joke that two are moles of FUG and nominally working for you, so: yeah, like that'll stick) crosses into complete immorality, how? Let's face it: Rachel is such a BaseBreaker, people will see her eating quietly in a corner as crossing ''some'' line or other. Let's not go overboard in trying to pin every last thing she does as irredeemable, shall we?
* One group of people few will argue about crossing the Horizon are the Acorn Workshop. Thousands of children killed to create Hoyrang, Cassano, Beta and Emile. All to then... [[spoiler: try screwing Baam over by making him into a weapon without say in his life.]] Yup: that's pretty bad. Part of FUG also gets into this act, what with their pushing for this outcome in the first place.
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* ParanoiaFuel: FUG moles are ''everywhere'', and they know ''everything''. Woe to you if you are in any way acquainted to Viole. [[spoiler:Such as, you know, being his old friends.]]
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** [[spoiler:Not really, from what we've seen she was the only person he knew before entering the tower and she abandoned him anyway, also her reason for hating him has nothing to do with his following her.]]

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** [[spoiler:Not really, from what we've seen she was the only person he knew before entering the tower and she abandoned him anyway, also anyway. Flashbacks show her telling Baam that he can't go outside the cave he's in and so she ensures she's the only person he ever knows. Also her reason for hating him has nothing to do with his following her.]]
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** [[spoiler: Although that last point is further contested by the fact that she [[LaughingMad laughed insanely]] while alone in her room.]]
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** Even more ironically, EnsembleDarkhorse Hatsu became this during the Workshop Battle arc as his subarc is being derided as detracting from the other arcs. Of course, knowing [=SIU=], these will tie up together soon.
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** Yu Hang-Sun.

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