History YMMV / TomYumGoong

30th Nov '16 9:06:57 AM Cieloazul
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The first ''Tom Yum Goong'' was exciting and innovative enough to make the viewers forget about its rather shallow plot and its overall goofiness, but the sequel basically ran with the same problems and magnified them in an attempt to get the same reaction, which didn't happen a second time due to the audience being accustomed to the innovative action value which saved the first film.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The first ''Tom Yum Goong'' was exciting and innovative enough to make the viewers forget about its rather shallow plot and its overall goofiness, but the sequel basically ran with the same problems and magnified them in an attempt to get the same reaction, which didn't happen a second time due to the audience being accustomed to the innovative action value which saved the first film.



* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: A common complain towards ''Tom Yum Goong 2'' was its too similar, "Where is my elephant?"-driven premise.

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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: A common complain towards ''Tom Yum Goong 2'' was that its too similar, premise was again "Where is my elephant?"-driven premise.elephant?" just like the first film.



** The bad guys attacking Kham while riding motorcycles. They actually try to ''ram'' him jousting-style, happily ignoring the fact that they would probably kill themselves as well upon colliding.

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** The bad guys attacking Kham while riding motorcycles. They actually try to ''ram'' him jousting-style, happily ignoring the fact that they would probably kill take themselves out as well as him upon colliding.



** Kham landing on Por Yai's tusks and somehow getting cushioned by their hard ivory.

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** Kham landing on Por Yai's tusks and somehow getting cushioned by their hard ivory.ivory like they were pillows.



* {{Sequelitis}}: While the first film was liked despite its goofiness, ''Tom Yum Goong 2'' received universally harsh critics by fans and pundits. They cited its confusing plot, increased amounts of {{Narm}}, wasting of supporting talents, poor choreographies in comparison with Jaa's earlier films, and the fact that Jaa abandoned his wireless stunts in favour of less innovative action.

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* {{Sequelitis}}: While the first film was liked despite (or because) its goofiness, ''Tom Yum Goong 2'' received universally harsh critics by fans and pundits.pundits alike. They cited its confusing plot, increased amounts of {{Narm}}, wasting of supporting talents, poor choreographies in comparison with Jaa's earlier films, and the fact that Jaa abandoned his wireless stunts in favour of less innovative action.
24th Mar '16 5:49:11 AM Cieloazul
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The first ''Tom Yum Goong'' was exciting and innovative enough to make the viewers forget about its rather shallow plot and its overall goofiness, but the sequel basically ran with the same problems and magnified them in an attempt to get the same reaction, which actually didn't happen due to the audience being accustomed to the action value which saved the first film.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The first ''Tom Yum Goong'' was exciting and innovative enough to make the viewers forget about its rather shallow plot and its overall goofiness, but the sequel basically ran with the same problems and magnified them in an attempt to get the same reaction, which actually didn't happen a second time due to the audience being accustomed to the innovative action value which saved the first film.



** The bad guys attacking Kham while riding motorcycles. They actually try to ''ram'' him jousting-style, happily ignoring the fact that they would probably kill themselves as well upon colliding with the guy.
** Kham's opponents in the temple (the capoerista, the wushu fighter, and TK the wrestler) popping out one at once against him one. The fights feel together like a videogame level.

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** The bad guys attacking Kham while riding motorcycles. They actually try to ''ram'' him jousting-style, happily ignoring the fact that they would probably kill themselves as well upon colliding with the guy.
colliding.
** Kham's opponents in the temple (the capoerista, the wushu fighter, and TK the wrestler) popping out one at once against him one. him. The fights feel together just feel like a videogame level.



* {{Sequelitis}}: While the first film was liked despite its goofiness, ''Tom Yum Goong 2'' received universally harsh critics by fans and pundits. They cited its confusing plot, increased amounts of {{Narm}}, wasting of supporting talents, poor and unoriginal choreographies in comparison with Jaa's earlier films, and the fact that Jaa abandoned his wireless stunting for more unoriginal action.

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* {{Sequelitis}}: While the first film was liked despite its goofiness, ''Tom Yum Goong 2'' received universally harsh critics by fans and pundits. They cited its confusing plot, increased amounts of {{Narm}}, wasting of supporting talents, poor and unoriginal choreographies in comparison with Jaa's earlier films, and the fact that Jaa abandoned his wireless stunting for more unoriginal stunts in favour of less innovative action.



** Ping-ping from the sequel when she realizes her sister has been killed.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: In the sequel, Ping-ping and No.2. For the former's part, she practically has no weight as character beyond helping Kham occasionally and/or getting beaten down by any antagonist they are facing, and never really lives up to the deuteragonist role she seems meant to be. For the latter, his only shticks are that he is ridiculously hard to kill and that his fighting style is cooler than the average, and doesn't get further characterization or depth, something which least important mooks like LC's lover do.

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** Ping-ping from the sequel when she realizes her sister has been killed.
is dead.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: In the sequel, Ping-ping and No.2. For the former's part, she practically has no weight as a character beyond aside helping Kham occasionally and/or getting beaten down by any antagonist they are facing, and never really lives up to the deuteragonist role she seems meant to be. For the latter, his only shticks are that he is ridiculously hard to kill put down for good and that his fighting style is cooler than the average, and doesn't get further characterization or depth, something which least important mooks like LC's lover do.
12th Nov '15 7:17:50 AM Larkmarn
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* NarmCharm: The silliness of the fights and premise is part of its charm. Many fans love the movie because of the ridiculousness, rather than in spite of it.
5th Oct '15 11:38:09 PM Tyk5919
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* CompleteMonster:
** Madame Rose kills off both the other eligible successors to the family business in the same scene. One is ''just a kid'', and even worse, he is implied to be ''her own son''.
** LC from the sequel. His lack of redeeming qualities takes to the extent of strangling his willing lover and apprentice for no other reason than venting his rage for Kham's meddling in his plans.
17th Sep '15 1:16:02 PM Cieloazul
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** LC from the sequel. His lack of redeeming qualities takes to the extent of strangling his willing lover and apprentice for no reason than venting his rage for Kham's meddling in his plans.

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** LC from the sequel. His lack of redeeming qualities takes to the extent of strangling his willing lover and apprentice for no other reason than venting his rage for Kham's meddling in his plans.plans.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: No.2, Marrese Crump's character from the sequel. Critics were unanimous in that, badly used as the character could be, he was the best part of the film.



* TearJerker: Kham's breakdown upon seeing [[spoiler:Por Yai's skeleton]] along with [[spoiler:the flashbacks of the two of them living together]] is pretty heartbreaking.



* SpecialEffectFailure: In the sequel it's painfully obvious that some stunts are done in CGI and green screens.

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* SpecialEffectFailure: In the sequel it's It's painfully obvious that some stunts in the sequel are done in CGI and green screens.screens.
* TearJerker:
** Kham's breakdown upon seeing [[spoiler:Por Yai's skeleton]] along with [[spoiler:the flashbacks of the two of them living together]] is pretty heartbreaking.
** Ping-ping from the sequel when she realizes her sister has been killed.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: In the sequel, Ping-ping and No.2. For the former's part, she practically has no weight as character beyond helping Kham occasionally and/or getting beaten down by any antagonist they are facing, and never really lives up to the deuteragonist role she seems meant to be. For the latter, his only shticks are that he is ridiculously hard to kill and that his fighting style is cooler than the average, and doesn't get further characterization or depth, something which least important mooks like LC's lover do.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The reveal that Kham only fell to No.2 because he was incapacitated by Ping-ping's needle has no effect in the plot, and just undermines No.2's aura as an antagonist in exchange to protect Kham's status as a BoringInvincibleHero.
12th Sep '15 1:43:57 PM Cieloazul
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** Madame Rose kills off both the other eligible successors to the family business in the same scene. One is ''just a kid'', and is implied to be ''her own son''.

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** Madame Rose kills off both the other eligible successors to the family business in the same scene. One is ''just a kid'', and even worse, he is implied to be ''her own son''.



* HamAndCheese: RZA has a good time in the sequel playing LC.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The first ''Tom Yum Goong'' was exciting and innovative enough to make the viewers forget about its rather shallow plot and its overall goofiness, but the sequel basically ran with the same problems and magnified them in an attempt to get the same reaction, which actually didn't happen due to the audience being accustomed to the action value which saved the first film.
* HamAndCheese: Let's say that RZA has a good time in the sequel playing LC.



** The bad guys attacking Kham while riding motorcycles. They actually tring to ''ram'' him jousting-style in some instances, happily ignoring the fact they would probably kill themselves as well upon colliding with the guy.
** Kham's opponents in the temple (the capoerista, the wushu fighter, and TK the wrestler) popping out against him one at once. The fights feel together as a videogame level.

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** The bad guys attacking Kham while riding motorcycles. They actually tring try to ''ram'' him jousting-style in some instances, jousting-style, happily ignoring the fact that they would probably kill themselves as well upon colliding with the guy.
** Kham's opponents in the temple (the capoerista, the wushu fighter, and TK the wrestler) popping out one at once against him one at once. one. The fights feel together as like a videogame level.



* {{Sequelitis}}: While the first film was liked despite his goofiness, ''Tom Yum Goong 2'' received universally harsh critics by fans and pundits. They cited its confusing plot, increased amounts of {{Narm}}, wasting of supporting talents, poor and unoriginal choreographies in comparison with Jaa's earlier films, and the fact that Jaa abandoned his wireless stunting for more unoriginal action.

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* {{Sequelitis}}: While the first film was liked despite his its goofiness, ''Tom Yum Goong 2'' received universally harsh critics by fans and pundits. They cited its confusing plot, increased amounts of {{Narm}}, wasting of supporting talents, poor and unoriginal choreographies in comparison with Jaa's earlier films, and the fact that Jaa abandoned his wireless stunting for more unoriginal action.
1st Sep '15 10:35:12 AM Cieloazul
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* CompleteMonster: LC from the sequel. His lack of redeeming qualities takes to the extent of strangling his willing lover and apprentice for no reason than venting his rage for Kham's meddling in his plans.
* HamAndCheese: RZA has a good time in the sequel plating LC.

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* CompleteMonster: CompleteMonster:
** Madame Rose kills off both the other eligible successors to the family business in the same scene. One is ''just a kid'', and is implied to be ''her own son''.
**
LC from the sequel. His lack of redeeming qualities takes to the extent of strangling his willing lover and apprentice for no reason than venting his rage for Kham's meddling in his plans.
* HamAndCheese: RZA has a good time in the sequel plating playing LC.



* MoralEventHorizon: Madame Rose [[spoiler:kills off both the other eligible successors to the family business in the same scene. One is ''just a kid''.]]
** Worse... [[spoiler:the kid is mentioned to be ''her own son'']].



** Kham's opponents in the temple (the capoerista, the wushu fighter, and TK the wrestler) popping out against him one at once. The fights felt together as a videogame level.

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** Kham's opponents in the temple (the capoerista, the wushu fighter, and TK the wrestler) popping out against him one at once. The fights felt feel together as a videogame level.


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** Kham landing on Por Yai's tusks and somehow getting cushioned by their hard ivory.
* OneSceneWonder. The capoeirista. Even though his fight scene was cut short due to an on-set injury, it is still one of the highlights of the movie, and the sheer craziness of the character stands out in a film already full of crazy people.
1st Sep '15 10:20:00 AM Cieloazul
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* HamAndCheese: RZA has a good time in the sequel plating LC.
* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: A common complain towards ''Tom Yum Goong 2'' was its too similar, "Where is my elephant?"-driven premise.


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* {{Narm}}:
** The bad guys attacking Kham while riding motorcycles. They actually tring to ''ram'' him jousting-style in some instances, happily ignoring the fact they would probably kill themselves as well upon colliding with the guy.
** Kham's opponents in the temple (the capoerista, the wushu fighter, and TK the wrestler) popping out against him one at once. The fights felt together as a videogame level.
** TK and the other giant bruisers tossing the elephant off the window.
24th Aug '15 8:54:59 AM Cieloazul
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* ContestedSequel: ''Tom Yum Goong 2'' received harsh critics by fans and pundits, citing its confusing plot, increased amounts of {{Narm}} and the fact that Jaa abandoned his wireless stunting in order to pull more spectacular, conventional action.


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* {{Sequelitis}}: While the first film was liked despite his goofiness, ''Tom Yum Goong 2'' received universally harsh critics by fans and pundits. They cited its confusing plot, increased amounts of {{Narm}}, wasting of supporting talents, poor and unoriginal choreographies in comparison with Jaa's earlier films, and the fact that Jaa abandoned his wireless stunting for more unoriginal action.
* SpecialEffectFailure: In the sequel it's painfully obvious that some stunts are done in CGI and green screens.
23rd Aug '15 9:15:39 AM Cieloazul
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* CompleteMonster: LC from the sequel. His lack of redeeming qualities takes to the extent of strangling his willing lover and apprentice for no reason than venting his rage for Kham's meddling in his plans.
* ContestedSequel: ''Tom Yum Goong 2'' received harsh critics by fans and pundits, citing its confusing plot, increased amounts of {{Narm}} and the fact that Jaa abandoned his wireless stunting in order to pull more spectacular, conventional action.
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