History YMMV / TheUltimates

** The 616 version of Hank Pym hit Janet once while going through a severe mental breakdown and that incident became one of the best known examples of this trope in comic book history. Ultimate Hank on the other hand ''is'' a straight up {{Domestic Abuse}}r who has beaten Janet several times in the past, with the one scene shown on panel even nearly killing her. And since this series was incredibly popular, this has only made the Never Live It Down even ''worse'' for 616 Hank. It took several years of other writers, a couple deconstructions (particularly in ''ComicBook/SecretEmpire'') and the ''Film/AntMan'' movie to recover Hank's reputation.

* EveryoneIsSatanInHell: When Captain America wakes up in the hospital, general Nick Fury told him that he had been out for 57 years. He goes mad and starts attacking everyone, thinking that he's still in WWII and he's inside a nazi trap trying to manipulate him. He told Fury "Sorry, Fritz. The accet's flawless, but you really should have done your homework. The highest-ranking black man in the US army is a Brooklyn-born Captain I grew up with". This is sometimes cited as a proof of Ultimate Captain America being racist. Actually, that's just a superficial reading. He is correct that in the 1940s US there was a higher discrimination against black people, and the idea of a black general leading an organization such as SHIELD, [[DeliberateValuesDissonance mundane in 2001, would have been unconceivable back in the day]] (the civil rights movements that led to their current public acceptance wouldn't take place until a pair of decades later). Cap is clearly not actively endorsing that racism, but just mentioning it as proof that he found "AGlitchInTheMatrix" in the nazi deception that he thought he was caught. It is worth noting that he worked for years under Fury since things were clarified a pair of scenes later, and never voiced any racist comment towards him.

** The 616 version of Hank Pym hit Janet once while going through a severe mental breakdown and that incident became one of the best known examples of this trope in comic book history. Ultimate Hank on the other hand ''is'' a straight up DomesticAbuser who has beaten Janet several times in the past, with the one scene shown on panel even nearly killing her. And since this series was incredibly popular, this has only made the Never Live It Down even ''worse'' for 616 Hank. It took several years of other writers, a couple deconstructions (particularly in ''ComicBook/SecretEmpire'') and the ''Film/AntMan'' movie to recover Hank's reputation.

->'''You'd expect:''' That he would keep him that way until Iron Man and Captain America arrive to the area, and help to subdue him.
->'''Instead:''' He opens his hand, expecting to find Hulk all nice and relaxed. It's a miracle that he didn't lose his head right there.

-->'''You'd expect:''' That he would keep him that way until Iron Man and Captain America arrive to the area, and help to subdue him.
-->'''Instead:''' He opens his hand, expecting to find Hulk all nice and relaxed. It's a miracle that he didn't lose his head right there.

** Ultimate Captain America: a more realistic portrayal of what would happen if someone like him woke up several decades into the future to a technologically advanced but far more crass and vulgar society, or an overly jingoistic joke of a beloved character? His infamous "You think this letter on my head stands for France!?" line he gives to Herr Kleiser certainly dind't help matters.

** The Colonel was once like Steve Rodgers; an ordinary if scrawny teenager from an impoverished background. Then his home country gets invaded by supersoldiers working for a foreign power, and he's talked into joining his country's own super-soldier program. While he leads an invasion of America, he is the least evil of the Liberators, and of them is treated the most sympathetically when he dies.

* GeniusBonus: The "Son of Star Wars" that Nick Fury mentioned in the first miniseries is a missile defense program, proposed during the presidency of Ronald Reagan, for space-based weapons to shoot down intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs). It has no relation to the Franchise/StarWars franchise, other than the popular name it got.

* RootingForTheEmpire: The Ultimates are not [[GoodIsNotNice pure good guys]], they are a military unit used by the United States to pursue its expansionist agenda. The Liberators, on the other hand, are villains from several oppressed countries, who organize a terrorist attack that seeks to stop American imperialism. Given the GrayAndGrayMorality of the series, along with Mark Millars own political beliefs, it's possible that he intended to invoke this trope.

* FridgeLogic:
** The custom built super-soldiers the Liberator's home countries cook up, not to mention the giant-ass spaceships they have. Raising more questions is why no-one ever brings these up ''ever again''.
** The DNA-specific bullet. [[spoiler: Ultron calls this whole thing a ''crime of passion'', and he apparently only shot Scarlet Witch the moment he saw that she and Pietro were lovers. ''Yet he'd been carrying a bullet coded to her DNA around all this time?'']]

** After all the destruction that Banner unleashed in New York by turning himself into Hulk, it was a relief to see that Captain America, who seemed to be about to have him EasilyForgiven, was just getting close to give him a well deserved kick in the face.

* FridgeLogic: The DNA-specific bullet. [[spoiler: Ultron calls this whole thing a ''crime of passion'', and he apparently only shot Scarlet Witch the moment he saw that she and Pietro were lovers. ''Yet he'd been carrying a bullet coded to her DNA around all this time?'']]

* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: To say that Marvel had absolutely no faith in the Avengers is an understatement, as they wouldn't even allow Mark Millar to actually ''call'' the team "Avengers." Their reasoning? ComicBook/UltimateMarvel was not only a relaunch to cater to the 21st century, but also a collection of story pitches for major movie studios to pick and choose material from easily. Millar's revamp of the team was somewhat [[Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse influential]] and started a turn that finally made the Avengers the premier team of Marvel, after playing second fiddle to Fantastic Four and X-Men.

** The 616 version of Hank Pym hit Janet in the 1970s, and became one of the highest examples in comics. This series reenacted the scene, in a way more similar to actual domestic abuse. And since this series was incredibly popular, this has only made the Never Live It Down even ''worse'' albeit once the ''Film/AntMan'' movie came along, this mellowed down and Hank's reputation is improved.

** The idea to make Ultimate Captain America display DeliberateValuesDissonance attracted a lot of controversy even ''before'' they famously took it into hamhanded directions, since his mainstream counterpart is famously portrayed as being forward-thinking, idealistic and enlightened for whatever era he's in. Fans rubbish the idea that Millar is somehow realistic since they point out that Captain America was created and printed before America entered World War II against the tide of strong isolationist sentiments, so it's not unreasonable that the character would be more progressive than people expect for someone from the late-30s and TheForties.

* AwesomeEgo: Tony Stark. Unlike the mainstream Tony Stark at the time, a {{workaholic}} trying to live past mistakes down, Ultimate Tony Stark is an irreverent, self-centered genius with a "holier-than-thou" attitude. This take on the character was the one used by Creator/RobertDowneyJr at the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, then by the mainstream comics as well, and now it became his ultimate character definition.

* AwesomeEgo: Tony Stark. Unlike the mainstream Tony Stark at the time, a {{workaloic}} trying to live past mistakes down, Ultimate Tony Stark is an irreverent, self-centered genius with a "holier-than-thou" attitude. This take on the character was the one used by Creator/RobertDowneyJr at the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, then by the mainstream comics as well, and now it became his ultimate character definition.

* MagnificentBastard: Captain America will regularly perform incredible combat strategies that are calculated within seconds, and [[LampshadeHanging stated outright]] that he seems to have "always winning" as an actual power. He will simultaneously sprout callous (from anybody else extremely arrogant sounding) {{Jerkass}} sentiments while performing them.

** The ''All-New Ultimates'' take on Jessica Drew, from the costume to the new alias. A lot of people aren't happy with the changes, which is even easier to notice since she was a big EnsembleDarkHorse before the series started.

* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: To say that Marvel had absolutely no faith in the Avengers is an understatement, as they wouldn't even allow Mark Millar to actually ''call'' the team "Avengers." Their reasoning? ComicBook/UltimateMarvel was not only a relaunch to cater to the 21st century, but also a collection of story pitches for major movie studios to pick and choose material from easily. Millar's revamp of the team was somewhat [[Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse influential]] and started a turn that finally made the Avengers the premier team of Marvel, after playing second fiddle to Fantastic Four and X-Men (neither of whose Ultimate versions last intact from beginning-to-end, not coincidentally).

** The 616 version of Hank Pym hit Janet in the 1970s, and became one of the highest examples in comics. This series reenacted the scene, in a way more similar to actual domestic abuse. And since this series was incredibly popular, this has only made the Never Live It Down even ''worse'' for 616-Hank.
** Captain America's infamous "You think this letter on my head stands for France?" line is something that is often brought up by his detractors to this day.

* HarsherInHindsight: [[spoiler: In ''The Ultimates 3'', the Blob says to Wasp "[He's] going to eat [her] up." Come ''ComicBook/{{Ultimatum}}'', he makes good on this.]]

** The 616 version of Hank Pym hit Janet once during a [[FreakOut mental breakdown]], and he's been paying for it since. This version of Hank meanwhile is a straight-up DomesticAbuser who nearly kills her during an argument. And since this series was incredibly popular, this has only made the Never Live It Down even ''worse'' for 616-Hank.

** Joshua Hale Filkov's run is practically fueled by it.

** [[http://ew.com/books/2018/04/06/mark-millar-on-his-new-netflix-comic-the-magic-order-and-the-origins-of-the-mcu/ According to Mark Millar]], Marvel considered the Avengers so much of a FranchiseZombie that they did not want to have an Ultimate version of it, and when they finally accepted, they asked that the team was renamed. Yes, the same Avengers that became a worldwide film juggernaut by adapting Millar's take on them.

* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: To say that Marvel had absolutely no faith in the Avengers is an understatement, as they wouldn't even allow Mark Millar to actually ''call'' the team "Avengers." Their reasoning? ComicBook/UltimateMarvel was not only a relaunch to cater to the 21st century, but also a collection of story pitches for major movie studios to pick and choose material from easily. Millar's revamp of the team was somewhat [[Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse influential]] and started a turn that finally made the Avengers the premier team of Marvel, after playing second fiddle to Fantastic Four and X-Men (neither of whose Ultimate versions, coincidentally last intact from beginning-to-end).