History YMMV / TheUltimates

3rd Nov '17 3:38:20 AM ACW
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*AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Red Skull lying about wanting a better life? Is he just trying to screw with Fury? Is he deluding himself? Is he just trying to justify his actions?
1st Nov '17 11:12:01 PM BeastC
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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: There's a reason why after ''Ultimates 3'' and ''Ultimatum'' bombed, Mark Millar's return provided some relief to fans. Though for some, it's a case of DamnedByFaintPraise.
14th Oct '17 4:17:59 PM GrigorII
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* RootingForTheEmpire: The Ultimates are not pure good guys, they are a military unit used by the United States to pursue its expansionist agenda. The Liberators, on the other hand, are villain from several oppressed countries, who make a terrorist attack that seeks to stop the American imperialism. Sometimes it may be hard not to sympathize with the motivations of the Liberators, or even root for them.
13th Oct '17 10:59:55 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: Ultimate ComicBook/RedSkull is [[spoiler:the son of Captain America, and therefore has a version of his powers]]. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the sick delight he takes in what he does. His list of atrocities includes killing two hundred people, followed by skinning his own face at the age of seventeen; training terrorists and working with numerous historical monsters, including infamous mass-murderer and cannibal UsefulNotes/IdiAmin; [[WhoShotJFK shooting Kennedy]] just to send a message; and using the Cosmic Cube to force the members of A.I.M. to eat each other. And then there's his most infamous moment: he gives a woman--later the Red Wasp--a SadisticChoice: kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. Red Skull then [[ILied chucked the baby]] out a [[DestinationDefenestration window]] and let his three thugs gang-rape her.

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* CompleteMonster: Ultimate ComicBook/RedSkull is [[spoiler:the son of Captain America, and therefore has a version of his powers]]. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the sick delight he takes in what he does. His list of atrocities includes include, at the age of [[TeensAreMonsters 17]], brutally killing two hundred people, nearly 250 soldiers, followed by skinning his own face at the age of seventeen; face; training terrorists and working with numerous historical monsters, including infamous mass-murderer and cannibal UsefulNotes/IdiAmin; [[WhoShotJFK shooting Kennedy]] just to send a message; and using the Cosmic Cube to force the members of A.I.M. to eat each other. And then there's his most infamous moment: he gives a woman--later the Red Wasp--a SadisticChoice: kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. Red Skull then [[ILied chucked the baby]] out a [[DestinationDefenestration window]] and let his three thugs gang-rape her.
13th Oct '17 7:36:44 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: Ultimate ComicBook/RedSkull is [[spoiler:the son of Captain America, and therefore has a version of his powers]]. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the sick delight he takes in what he does. His list of atrocities includes killing two hundred people, followed by skinning his own face at the age of seventeen; training terrorists and working with numerous historical monsters, including infamous mass-murderer and cannibal UsefulNotes/IdiAmin; [[WhoShotJFK shooting Kennedy]] just to send a message; and using the Cosmic Cube to force the members of A.I.M. to eat each other. And then there's his most infamous moment: he gives a woman-ólater the Red Waspó-a SadisticChoice: kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. Red Skull then [[ILied chucked the baby]] out a [[DestinationDefenestration window]] and let his three thugs gang-rape her.

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* CompleteMonster: Ultimate ComicBook/RedSkull is [[spoiler:the son of Captain America, and therefore has a version of his powers]]. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the sick delight he takes in what he does. His list of atrocities includes killing two hundred people, followed by skinning his own face at the age of seventeen; training terrorists and working with numerous historical monsters, including infamous mass-murderer and cannibal UsefulNotes/IdiAmin; [[WhoShotJFK shooting Kennedy]] just to send a message; and using the Cosmic Cube to force the members of A.I.M. to eat each other. And then there's his most infamous moment: he gives a woman-ólater woman--later the Red Waspó-a Wasp--a SadisticChoice: kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. Red Skull then [[ILied chucked the baby]] out a [[DestinationDefenestration window]] and let his three thugs gang-rape her.
13th Oct '17 7:36:12 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: Ultimate ComicBook/RedSkull is [[spoiler:the son of Captain America, and therefore has a version of his powers]]. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the [[ForTheEvulz sick delight]] he takes in what he does. His list of atrocities includes: massacring two hundred people, followed by skinning his own face at the age of seventeen, training terrorists and working with numerous historical monsters including infamous mass-murderer and cannibal UsefulNotes/IdiAmin, [[WhoShotJFK shooting Kennedy]] just to send a message, and using the Cosmic Cube to force the members of A.I.M. to eat each other. And then there's his most infamous moment: he gives a woman (the future [[ComicBook/TheWasp Red Wasp]]) a SadisticChoice: kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. The Red Skull then [[WouldHurtAChild chucked the baby]] [[DestinationDefenestration out a window]] and let his three thugs gang-rape her.

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* CompleteMonster: Ultimate ComicBook/RedSkull is [[spoiler:the son of Captain America, and therefore has a version of his powers]]. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the [[ForTheEvulz sick delight]] delight he takes in what he does. His list of atrocities includes: massacring includes killing two hundred people, followed by skinning his own face at the age of seventeen, seventeen; training terrorists and working with numerous historical monsters monsters, including infamous mass-murderer and cannibal UsefulNotes/IdiAmin, UsefulNotes/IdiAmin; [[WhoShotJFK shooting Kennedy]] just to send a message, message; and using the Cosmic Cube to force the members of A.I.M. to eat each other. And then there's his most infamous moment: he gives a woman (the future [[ComicBook/TheWasp woman-ólater the Red Wasp]]) a Waspó-a SadisticChoice: kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. The Red Skull then [[WouldHurtAChild [[ILied chucked the baby]] out a [[DestinationDefenestration out a window]] and let his three thugs gang-rape her.
25th Aug '17 4:49:35 PM nombretomado
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* JustForFun/XMeetsY:
** ComicBook/TheAvengers meets ComicBook/TheAuthority.
** ComicBook/TheAvengers meets Creator/QuentinTarantino.
** ComicBook/TheAvengers meets Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion.
20th Aug '17 10:46:06 AM nombretomado
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* VillainDecay: The Red Skull.

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* VillainDecay: The Red Skull.Skull.
* JustForFun/XMeetsY:
** ComicBook/TheAvengers meets ComicBook/TheAuthority.
** ComicBook/TheAvengers meets Creator/QuentinTarantino.
** ComicBook/TheAvengers meets Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion.
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27th Jul '17 11:09:39 AM GrigorII
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* MisaimedFandom: Millar used the story to advance his anti-war ideas, but some people simply took note that Captain America as a conservative jerkass was so cool... Let's better have Millar explain it himself: "People would say, "''I joined the army after reading The Ultimates because I wanted to make a difference in the Middle East,''" and I was like, "''Well, I kinda meant the opposite of that!""

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* MisaimedFandom: Millar used the story to advance his anti-war ideas, but some people simply took note that Captain America as a conservative jerkass was so cool... Let's better have Millar explain it himself: "People would say, "''I joined the army after reading The Ultimates because I wanted to make a difference in the Middle East,''" and I was like, "''Well, I kinda meant the opposite of that!""that!''"
27th Jul '17 11:07:53 AM GrigorII
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* MisaimedFandom: Millar used the story to advance his anti-war ideas, but some people simply took note that Captain America as a conservative jerkass was so cool... Let's better have Millar explain it himself: "People would say, "''I joined the army after reading The Ultimates because I wanted to make a difference in the Middle East,''" and I was like, "''Well, I kinda meant the opposite of that!""
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