History YMMV / TheUltimates

27th Jul '17 11:09:39 AM GrigorII
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* MisaimedFandom: Millar used the story to advance his anti-war ideas, but some people simply took note that Captain America as a conservative jerkass was so cool... Let's better have Millar explain it himself: "People would say, "''I joined the army after reading The Ultimates because I wanted to make a difference in the Middle East,''" and I was like, "''Well, I kinda meant the opposite of that!""

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* MisaimedFandom: Millar used the story to advance his anti-war ideas, but some people simply took note that Captain America as a conservative jerkass was so cool... Let's better have Millar explain it himself: "People would say, "''I joined the army after reading The Ultimates because I wanted to make a difference in the Middle East,''" and I was like, "''Well, I kinda meant the opposite of that!""that!''"
27th Jul '17 11:07:53 AM GrigorII
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* MisaimedFandom: Millar used the story to advance his anti-war ideas, but some people simply took note that Captain America as a conservative jerkass was so cool... Let's better have Millar explain it himself: "People would say, "''I joined the army after reading The Ultimates because I wanted to make a difference in the Middle East,''" and I was like, "''Well, I kinda meant the opposite of that!""
27th Jul '17 10:51:16 AM GrigorII
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* DeaderThanDisco: Creator/JephLoeb's run started the downfall of the Ultimate line, but even the early stuff by Creator/MarkMillar has started to be criticized for the same reasons the later stuff has been, including making the protagonists into very dark antiheroes, and his characterizations of the Hulk being a cannibal and Hank Pym an unrepentant abusive husband.


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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Creator/JephLoeb's run started the downfall of the Ultimate line, but even the early stuff by Creator/MarkMillar has started to be criticized for the same reasons the later stuff has been, including making the protagonists into very dark antiheroes, and his characterizations of the Hulk being a cannibal and Hank Pym an unrepentant abusive husband.
27th Jun '17 10:19:53 AM KizunaTallis
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeArt: Bryan Hitch's knack for realism and talent for "widescreen" panels make the reader feel like he/she is watching a big budget action movie on the big screen. Coupled with Mark Millar's gritty and cynical deconstruction style of writing, is it any wonder the first two volumes are so fondly remembered?
* BrokenBase: This being a reimagining of Earth's mightiest heroes, you can't win them all.
** Hank Pym fans take issue with the fact Millar wrote his Ultimate version as an abusive asshole towards Janet Pym whereas his 616 version only struck Janet ''once'' and by ''complete accident'' too!
*** Ultimate Captain America. A more realistic portrayal of what would happen if someone like him woke up several decades into the future to a technologically advanced but far more crass and vulgar society or an overly jingoistic joke of a beloved character? His infamous "You think this A on my head stands for France!?" line he gives to Herr Kleiser not helping matters much
** Jonathan Hickman's run. Either it's a dramatic exploration of new concepts and character beats, or a dull, overly prosaic run filled with Villain Sues.
* CompleteMonster: Ultimate ComicBook/RedSkull is [[spoiler:the son of Captain America, and therefore has a version of his powers]]. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the [[ForTheEvulz sick delight]] he takes in what he does. His list of atrocities includes: killing two hundred people, followed by skinning his own face at the age of seventeen, training terrorists and working with numerous historical monsters, including infamous mass-murderer and cannibal UsefulNotes/IdiAmin, [[WhoShotJFK shooting Kennedy]] just to send a message, and using the Cosmic Cube to force the members of A.I.M. to eat each other. And then there's his most infamous moment: he gives a woman--later [[ComicBook/TheWasp the Red Wasp]]--a SadisticChoice: kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. The Red Skull then [[WouldHurtAChild chucked the baby]] [[DestinationDefenestration out a window]] and let his three thugs gang-rape her.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeArt: Bryan Hitch's knack for realism and talent for "widescreen" panels make the reader feel like he/she is watching a big budget action movie on the big screen.in a comic book. Coupled with Mark Millar's gritty and cynical deconstruction style of writing, is it any wonder the first two volumes are so fondly remembered?
* BrokenBase: This being a reimagining of Earth's mightiest heroes, Mightiest Heroes, you can't win them all.
** Hank Pym fans take issue with the fact Millar wrote his Ultimate version as an abusive asshole stright-up DomesticAbuser towards Janet Pym whereas his 616 version only struck Janet ''once'' and by ''complete accident'' too!
*** ** Ultimate Captain America. A America: a more realistic portrayal of what would happen if someone like him woke up several decades into the future to a technologically advanced but far more crass and vulgar society society, or an overly jingoistic joke of a beloved character? His infamous "You think this A on my head stands for France!?" line he gives to Herr Kleiser did not helping help matters much
** Jonathan Hickman's run. Either it's a dramatic exploration of new concepts and character beats, or a dull, overly prosaic run filled with Villain Sues.
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* CompleteMonster: Ultimate ComicBook/RedSkull is [[spoiler:the son of Captain America, and therefore has a version of his powers]]. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the [[ForTheEvulz sick delight]] he takes in what he does. His list of atrocities includes: killing massacring two hundred people, followed by skinning his own face at the age of seventeen, training terrorists and working with numerous historical monsters, monsters including infamous mass-murderer and cannibal UsefulNotes/IdiAmin, [[WhoShotJFK shooting Kennedy]] just to send a message, and using the Cosmic Cube to force the members of A.I.M. to eat each other. And then there's his most infamous moment: he gives a woman--later woman (the future [[ComicBook/TheWasp the Red Wasp]]--a Wasp]]) a SadisticChoice: kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. The Red Skull then [[WouldHurtAChild chucked the baby]] [[DestinationDefenestration out a window]] and let his three thugs gang-rape her.



* DeaderThanDisco: Creator/JephLoeb's run where he decided to go just being DarkerAndEdgier started the downfall of the Ultimate line, but even the early stuff by Creator/MarkMillar has started to be criticized for the same reasons a lot of more recent stuff has been, including the protagonists being rather dark antiheroes, and his making the Hulk a cannibal and Hank Pym an unrepentant abusive husband.

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* DeaderThanDisco: Creator/JephLoeb's run where he decided to go just being DarkerAndEdgier started the downfall of the Ultimate line, but even the early stuff by Creator/MarkMillar has started to be criticized for the same reasons a lot of more recent the later stuff has been, including making the protagonists being rather into very dark antiheroes, and his making characterizations of the Hulk being a cannibal and Hank Pym an unrepentant abusive husband.



* HarsherInHindsight: [[spoiler: In ''The Ultimates 3'', the Blob says "[He's] going to eat [her] up." Come ''ComicBook/{{Ultimatum}}'', he makes good on this.]]

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* HarsherInHindsight: [[spoiler: In ''The Ultimates 3'', the Blob says to Wasp "[He's] going to eat [her] up." Come ''ComicBook/{{Ultimatum}}'', he makes good on this.]]



** While on the subject, when the Ultimates and Fury are sitting around discussing who would play them in a potential movie adaptation of their exploits, Nick Fury is quick to say that he would want to have none other than Samuel Jackson cast as him and only him with no exceptions. Six years later, who else but the most famous most baddest of mofos would approach Tony Stark (played by RDJ) in a [[Film/IronMan little comic book movie about a man who can fly during the post credits scene to discuss the Avenger Initiative]]

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** While on the subject, when the Ultimates and Fury are sitting around discussing who would play them in a potential movie adaptation of their exploits, Nick Fury is quick to say that he would want to have none other than Samuel Jackson cast as him and only him with no exceptions. Six years later, who else but the most famous most baddest of mofos would approach Tony Stark (played by RDJ) in a [[Film/IronMan little comic book movie about a man who can fly during the post credits scene to discuss the Avenger Initiative]]Initiative]]?



* JerkassWoobie: Hulk, Quicksilver

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* JerkassWoobie: Hulk, QuicksilverQuicksilver.



** Red Skull of all people gets this. In this series, he's not just a CompleteMonster, he's the ultimate walking talking MoralEventHorizon. But what was his goal? [[spoiler: He wanted to go back in time and save his father from being frozen so that he could marry his mother and they could all be a family because he utterly hated his life as a TykeBomb. It doesn't help that his final scene is saying goodbye to his mother before reflecting on his complete mess of a life and how all he wanted was a happy ending to it all before being executed by Red Wasp.]]

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** Red Skull [[spoiler:Red Skull]] of all people gets this.is revealed to be one. In this series, he's not just a CompleteMonster, he's the ultimate walking talking MoralEventHorizon. But what was his goal? [[spoiler: He [[spoiler:He wanted to go back in time and save his father from being frozen so that he could marry his mother and they could all be a family because he utterly hated his life as a TykeBomb. It doesn't help that his final scene is saying goodbye to his mother before reflecting on his complete mess of a life and how all he wanted was a happy ending to it all before being executed by Red Wasp.]]



* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: Surprise! The Iron Man Six armour! This is after he found out [[spoiler: that Natasha was a spy - he found this out by her killing Jarvis - and that terrorists had invaded. He responded by whacking her with a bottle, getting very, very drunk, and launching, in his regular armor, for the space station. His next appearance is in the Iron Man Six armor, laying waste to the Crimson Dynamo robots.]]

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* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: Surprise! The Iron Man Six armour! armor! This is after he found out [[spoiler: that Natasha was a spy - he found this out by her killing Jarvis - and that terrorists had invaded. He responded by whacking her with a bottle, getting very, very drunk, and launching, in his regular armor, for the space station. His next appearance is in the Iron Man Six armor, laying waste to the Crimson Dynamo robots.]]



** For Hank Pym, there his attempt to kill the Wasp after the two have an argument, including spraying her with bug poison and siccing ants on her after she shrunk.

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** For Hank Pym, there his attempt to kill the Wasp after the two have an argument, including spraying her with bug poison spray and siccing ants on her after she shrunk.
22nd Jun '17 8:45:33 AM Frankencastle
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*** Ultimate Cap later has his 'Merica F Yeah tendencies toned down as the series progresses becoming a sometimes politically incorrect, but still noble when he needs to be version of his 616 counterpart
21st May '17 3:28:56 PM nombretomado
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* CompleteMonster: Ultimate ComicBook/RedSkull is [[spoiler:the son of Captain America, and therefore has a version of his powers]]. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the [[ForTheEvulz sick delight]] he takes in what he does. His list of atrocities includes: killing two hundred people, followed by skinning his own face at the age of seventeen, training terrorists and working with numerous historical monsters, including infamous mass-murderer and cannibal UsefulNotes/IdiAmin, [[WhoShotJFK shooting Kennedy]] just to send a message, and using the Cosmic Cube to force the members of A.I.M. to eat each other. And then there's his most infamous moment: he gives a woman--later [[TheWasp the Red Wasp]]--a SadisticChoice: kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. The Red Skull then [[WouldHurtAChild chucked the baby]] [[DestinationDefenestration out a window]] and let his three thugs gang-rape her.

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* CompleteMonster: Ultimate ComicBook/RedSkull is [[spoiler:the son of Captain America, and therefore has a version of his powers]]. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the [[ForTheEvulz sick delight]] he takes in what he does. His list of atrocities includes: killing two hundred people, followed by skinning his own face at the age of seventeen, training terrorists and working with numerous historical monsters, including infamous mass-murderer and cannibal UsefulNotes/IdiAmin, [[WhoShotJFK shooting Kennedy]] just to send a message, and using the Cosmic Cube to force the members of A.I.M. to eat each other. And then there's his most infamous moment: he gives a woman--later [[TheWasp [[ComicBook/TheWasp the Red Wasp]]--a SadisticChoice: kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. The Red Skull then [[WouldHurtAChild chucked the baby]] [[DestinationDefenestration out a window]] and let his three thugs gang-rape her.
29th Mar '17 11:31:50 PM NightShade96
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* NightmareFuel: Okay, the argument between Hank and Janet, as noted under "Never Live It Down", was bad enough on its own, but [[spoiler: ''unleashing a whole ant colony towards a shrunken, naked, stunned, and helpless Wasp'']]? No. That's just SickAndWrong. Seriously. Janet's horrified "[[SayMyName HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANK!]]" isn't either {{narm}}y nor [[LargeHam hammy]], but completely {{justified|Trope}}. The equally horrified look on her face, combined with what the experience must have been like (that is, ''[[FridgeHorror from her point of view]]''), is bound to take you off-guard, regardless of what your age is.
** The Red Skull is the poster boy for this series.
** Everything about Petra Laskov's backstory.
17th Jan '17 8:31:38 PM Agronac919
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: After the third volume, Quicksilver questioning Wanda if she was flirting with one of Hank Pym's robots turned from just a little MythologyGag regarding her relationship with Vision into this for two reasons: the first being that the robot fell in love with her, resulting in it becoming Ultimate Ultron and murdering her, alongside the realization that that comment might have been Quicksilver being ''[[BrotherSisterIncest jealous.]]''
22nd Nov '16 3:48:51 AM Anicomicgeek
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%%** For Hank Pym, see "NeverLiveItDown" and "NightmareFuel".

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%%** ** For Hank Pym, see "NeverLiveItDown" there his attempt to kill the Wasp after the two have an argument, including spraying her with bug poison and "NightmareFuel".siccing ants on her after she shrunk.
22nd Nov '16 3:46:23 AM Anicomicgeek
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* HarsherInHindsight: [[spoiler: In ''The Ultimates 3'', the Blob says "[He's] going to eat [her] up." Come ''ComicBook/{{Ultimatum}}'', he makes good on this.]]


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** The Red Skull, like his mainstream counterpart has plenty, but one of his worst is [[spoiler: threatening to kill the child of the woman who's become Swarm/Red Wasp if she didn't kill her husband--only to kill the baby, anyway, and have have her gang-raped]].
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