History YMMV / TheUltimates

5th Sep '16 1:06:23 AM Agronac919
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** Red Skull of all people gets this. In this series, he's not just a CompleteMonster, he's the ultimate walking talking MoralEventHorizon. But what was his goal? [[spoiler: He wanted to go back in time and save his father from being frozen so that he could marry his mother and they could all be a family because he utterly hated his life as a TykeBomb. It doesn't help that his final scene is saying goodbye to his mother before reflecting on his complete mess of a life and how all he wanted was a happy ending to it all before being executed by Red Wasp.]]
5th Aug '16 3:38:25 AM Scorntex
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* {{Asspull}}: Tony's brain tumor was actually an Infinity Gem. How that makes sense is anyone's guess.



** Jonathan Hickman's run. Either it's a dramatic exploration of new concepts and character beats, or a dull, overly prosaic run filled with Villain Sues.



* {{Narm}}: "I voted for the hot Alaskan chick." As a BondOneLiner.

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** From Ultimate Avengers:
"I voted for the hot Alaskan chick." As a BondOneLiner.BondOneLiner.
** Joshua Hale Filkov's run is practically fueled by it.
4th Aug '16 8:32:20 PM Angeldeb82
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* AwesomeArt: Bryan Hitch's knack for realism and talent for "widescreen" panels make the reader feel like he/she is watching a big budget action movie on the big screen. Coupled with Mark Millar's gritty and cynical deconstruction style of writing, is it any wonder the first two volumes are so fondly remembered?

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* AwesomeArt: SugarWiki/AwesomeArt: Bryan Hitch's knack for realism and talent for "widescreen" panels make the reader feel like he/she is watching a big budget action movie on the big screen. Coupled with Mark Millar's gritty and cynical deconstruction style of writing, is it any wonder the first two volumes are so fondly remembered?



* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Surprise! The Iron Man Six armour! This is after he found out [[spoiler: that Natasha was a spy - he found this out by her killing Jarvis - and that terrorists had invaded. He responded by whacking her with a bottle, getting very, very drunk, and launching, in his regular armor, for the space station. His next appearance is in the Iron Man Six armor, laying waste to the Crimson Dynamo robots.]]
** Hawkeye's escape scene in Grand Theft America where he kills a room full of soldiers by ripping his fingernails out and flicking them at them. Did I mention he was strapped to a table whilst doing this? Followed up by his turning to the security camera which had just seen him doing this, and grinning a SlasherSmile: "Run."



* MagnificentBastard: Captain America will regularly perform incredible combat strategies that are calculated within seconds, and [[LampshadeHanging stated outright]] that he seems to have "always winning" as an actual power. He will simultaneously sprout callous (from anybody else extremely arrogant sounding) JerkAss sentiments while performing them.

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* JerkassWoobie: Hulk, Quicksilver
** Red Wasp is a former terrorist, who has some truly horrific baggage, and it's all but outright stated she's being forced into performing wet-work for the U.S. government when she first appears.
* MagnificentBastard: Captain America will regularly perform incredible combat strategies that are calculated within seconds, and [[LampshadeHanging stated outright]] that he seems to have "always winning" as an actual power. He will simultaneously sprout callous (from anybody else extremely arrogant sounding) JerkAss {{Jerkass}} sentiments while performing them.them.
* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: Surprise! The Iron Man Six armour! This is after he found out [[spoiler: that Natasha was a spy - he found this out by her killing Jarvis - and that terrorists had invaded. He responded by whacking her with a bottle, getting very, very drunk, and launching, in his regular armor, for the space station. His next appearance is in the Iron Man Six armor, laying waste to the Crimson Dynamo robots.]]
** Hawkeye's escape scene in Grand Theft America where he kills a room full of soldiers by ripping his fingernails out and flicking them at them. Did I mention he was strapped to a table whilst doing this? Followed up by his turning to the security camera which had just seen him doing this, and grinning a SlasherSmile: "Run."



* NightmareFuel: Okay, the argument between Hank and Janet, as noted under "Never Live It Down", was bad enough on its own, but [[spoiler: ''unleashing a whole ant colony towards a shrunken, naked, stunned, and helpless Wasp?'']] No. That's just SickAndWrong. Seriously. Janet's horrified "[[BigNo HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANK!]]" isn't either [[{{Narm}} narmy]] nor [[LargeHam hammy]], but completely [[JustifiedTrope justified]]. The equally horrified look on her face, combined with what the experience must have been like (that is, ''[[FridgeHorror from her point of view]]''), is bound to take you off-guard, regardless of what your age is.

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* NightmareFuel: Okay, the argument between Hank and Janet, as noted under "Never Live It Down", was bad enough on its own, but [[spoiler: ''unleashing a whole ant colony towards a shrunken, naked, stunned, and helpless Wasp?'']] Wasp'']]? No. That's just SickAndWrong. Seriously. Janet's horrified "[[BigNo "[[SayMyName HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANK!]]" isn't either [[{{Narm}} narmy]] {{narm}}y nor [[LargeHam hammy]], but completely [[JustifiedTrope justified]].{{justified|Trope}}. The equally horrified look on her face, combined with what the experience must have been like (that is, ''[[FridgeHorror from her point of view]]''), is bound to take you off-guard, regardless of what your age is.



* JerkassWoobie: Hulk, Quicksilver
** Red Wasp is a former terrorist, who has some truly horrific baggage, and it's all but outright stated she's being forced into performing wet-work for the U.S. government when she first appears.
* VillainDecay: The Red Skull.
* VillainSue: [[spoiler:Gregory Stark]] who emerges in ''New Ultimates vs. Ultimate Avengers'' as the BigBad, has tech supposedly far superior than any of the heroes (many of which are with ''Hulk powers'', is positioned as TheChessmaster better than even Nick Fury, and essentially wins [[spoiler:despite dying]] while the heroes talk about how better things are because he did.



*** This was played straight when Brian Michael Bendis and Josh Fialkov tried to redeem him. Once Reed was back in the hands of [[Creator/JonathanHickman Jonathan Hickman]], he returned to his evil glory, to the rejoicing of the fans.
** The ''All-New Ultimates'' take on Jessica Drew, from the costume to the new alias. A lot of people aren't happy with the changes, which is even easier to notice since she was a big EnsembleDarkHorse before the series started.

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*** This was played straight when Brian Michael Bendis and Josh Fialkov tried to redeem him. Once Reed was back in the hands of [[Creator/JonathanHickman Jonathan Hickman]], Creator/JonathanHickman, he returned to his evil glory, to the rejoicing of the fans.
** The ''All-New Ultimates'' take on Jessica Drew, from the costume to the new alias. A lot of people aren't happy with the changes, which is even easier to notice since she was a big EnsembleDarkHorse before the series started.started.
* VillainDecay: The Red Skull.
4th May '16 8:39:11 AM Silverblade2
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: Black Widow]] arranging for the deaths of Hawkeye's family.
** For Hank Pym, see "NeverLiveItDown" and "NightmareFuel".

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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: MoralEventHorizon:
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Black Widow]] arranging for the deaths of Hawkeye's family.
** %%** For Hank Pym, see "NeverLiveItDown" and "NightmareFuel".
14th Apr '16 5:40:24 PM TitoMosquito
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** While on the subject, when the Ultimates and Fury are sitting around discussing who would play them in a potential movie adaptation of their exploits, Nick Fury is quick to say that he would want to have none other than Samuel Jackson cast as him and only him with no exceptions. Six years later, who else but the most famous most baddest of mofos would approach Tony Stark (played by RDJ) in a [[Film/Iron Man little comic book movie about a man who can fly during the post credits scene to discuss the Avenger Initiative]]

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** While on the subject, when the Ultimates and Fury are sitting around discussing who would play them in a potential movie adaptation of their exploits, Nick Fury is quick to say that he would want to have none other than Samuel Jackson cast as him and only him with no exceptions. Six years later, who else but the most famous most baddest of mofos would approach Tony Stark (played by RDJ) in a [[Film/Iron Man [[Film/IronMan little comic book movie about a man who can fly during the post credits scene to discuss the Avenger Initiative]]
14th Apr '16 12:13:47 PM Anicomicgeek
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Starting with Jeph Loeb, the series seemed more concerned with just making it DarkerAndEdgier, without any good reason or paying any respect to the canon. Given Creator/MarkMillar's other works and the Ultimates being self-serving jackasses as far back as the early stories can have this effect.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Starting with Jeph Loeb, the series seemed more concerned with just making it DarkerAndEdgier, without any good reason or paying any respect to the canon. Given Creator/MarkMillar's other works and the Ultimates being self-serving jackasses as far back as the early stories, even the early stories can have this effect.
14th Apr '16 12:12:21 PM Anicomicgeek
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The first couple of stories averted this, being seen as a good take on pre-existing comic stories. Afterwards, it seems that Jeph Loeb seemed more concerned with just making it DarkerAndEdgier, without any good reason or paying any respect to the canon.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The first couple of stories averted this, being seen as a good take on pre-existing comic stories. Afterwards, it seems that Starting with Jeph Loeb Loeb, the series seemed more concerned with just making it DarkerAndEdgier, without any good reason or paying any respect to the canon.canon. Given Creator/MarkMillar's other works and the Ultimates being self-serving jackasses as far back as the early stories can have this effect.
* DeaderThanDisco: Creator/JephLoeb's run where he decided to go just being DarkerAndEdgier started the downfall of the Ultimate line, but even the early stuff by Creator/MarkMillar has started to be criticized for the same reasons a lot of more recent stuff has been, including the protagonists being rather dark antiheroes, and his making the Hulk a cannibal and Hank Pym an unrepentant abusive husband.



* NeverLiveItDown: In the mainstream MarvelUniverse, Hank Pym only hit Wasp ''once'' and he [[NotHimself wasn't really himself]] [[FreakOut at the time]]. In this continuity, Hank ''is'' a straight-up wife beater. In fact he goes further- when Wasp tried to get away from him by shrinking down to miniature size, he got even ''more'' furious with her and sent an army of ''ants'' on her- remember, she had shrunk, so imagine how close this came to ''killing'' her.

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* NeverLiveItDown: In the mainstream MarvelUniverse, Franchise/MarvelUniverse, Hank Pym only hit Wasp ''once'' and he [[NotHimself wasn't really himself]] [[FreakOut at the time]]. In this continuity, Hank ''is'' a straight-up wife beater. In fact he goes further- when further--when Wasp tried to get away from him by shrinking down to miniature size, he got even ''more'' furious with her and sent an army of ''ants'' on her- remember, her. Remember, she had shrunk, so imagine how close this came to ''killing'' her.
18th Mar '16 5:35:32 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: Ultimate Comicbook/RedSkull is [[UpToEleven even WORSE]] than the regular ComicBook/RedSkull. Ultimate Skull is [[spoiler:the son of Captain America]], and therefore has a version of his powers. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the [[ForTheEvulz sick delight]] he takes in what he does. His list of atrocities includes: killing two hundred people, followed by skinning his own face at the age of seventeen, training terrorists and working with numerous historical monsters, including infamous mass-murderer and cannibal Idi Amin, [[WhoShotJFK shooting Kennedy]], just to send a message, and using the Cosmic Cube to force the members of A.I.M. to eat each other. And then there's his most infamous moment: he gives a woman (later [[TheWasp the Red Wasp]]) a SadisticChoice: kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. The Red Skull then [[WouldHurtAChild chucked the baby]] [[DestinationDefenestration out a window]] and let his three thugs gang-rape her.

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* CompleteMonster: Ultimate Comicbook/RedSkull is [[UpToEleven even WORSE]] than the regular ComicBook/RedSkull. Ultimate Skull ComicBook/RedSkull is [[spoiler:the son of Captain America]], and therefore has a version of his powers. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the [[ForTheEvulz sick delight]] he takes in what he does. His list of atrocities includes: killing two hundred people, followed by skinning his own face at the age of seventeen, training terrorists and working with numerous historical monsters, including infamous mass-murderer and cannibal Idi Amin, UsefulNotes/IdiAmin, [[WhoShotJFK shooting Kennedy]], just to send a message, and using the Cosmic Cube to force the members of A.I.M. to eat each other. And then there's his most infamous moment: he gives a woman (later woman--later [[TheWasp the Red Wasp]]) a Wasp]]--a SadisticChoice: kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. The Red Skull then [[WouldHurtAChild chucked the baby]] [[DestinationDefenestration out a window]] and let his three thugs gang-rape her.



** The ''All-New Ultimates'' take on Jessica Drew, from the costume to the new alias. A lot of people aren't happy with the changes, which is even easier to notice since she was a big EnsembleDarkHorse before the series started.

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** The ''All-New Ultimates'' take on Jessica Drew, from the costume to the new alias. A lot of people aren't happy with the changes, which is even easier to notice since she was a big EnsembleDarkHorse before the series started.
25th Feb '16 8:36:02 PM alphamale2k14
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** While on the subject, when the Ultimates and Fury are sitting around discussing who would play them in a potential movie adaptation of their exploits, Nick Fury is quick to say that he would want to have none other than Samuel Jackson cast as him and only him with no exceptions. Six years later, who else but the most famous most baddest of mofos would approach Tony Stark (played by RDJ) in a [[Film/Iron Man little comic book movie about a man who can fly during the post credits scene to discuss the Avenger Initiative]]
7th Nov '15 10:16:32 PM nombretomado
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* CompleteMonster: Ultimate Comicbook/RedSkull is [[UpToEleven even WORSE]] than the regular RedSkull. Ultimate Skull is [[spoiler:the son of Captain America]], and therefore has a version of his powers. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the [[ForTheEvulz sick delight]] he takes in what he does. His list of atrocities includes: killing two hundred people, followed by skinning his own face at the age of seventeen, training terrorists and working with numerous historical monsters, including infamous mass-murderer and cannibal Idi Amin, [[WhoShotJFK shooting Kennedy]], just to send a message, and using the Cosmic Cube to force the members of A.I.M. to eat each other. And then there's his most infamous moment: he gives a woman (later [[TheWasp the Red Wasp]]) a SadisticChoice: kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. The Red Skull then [[WouldHurtAChild chucked the baby]] [[DestinationDefenestration out a window]] and let his three thugs gang-rape her.

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* CompleteMonster: Ultimate Comicbook/RedSkull is [[UpToEleven even WORSE]] than the regular RedSkull.ComicBook/RedSkull. Ultimate Skull is [[spoiler:the son of Captain America]], and therefore has a version of his powers. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the [[ForTheEvulz sick delight]] he takes in what he does. His list of atrocities includes: killing two hundred people, followed by skinning his own face at the age of seventeen, training terrorists and working with numerous historical monsters, including infamous mass-murderer and cannibal Idi Amin, [[WhoShotJFK shooting Kennedy]], just to send a message, and using the Cosmic Cube to force the members of A.I.M. to eat each other. And then there's his most infamous moment: he gives a woman (later [[TheWasp the Red Wasp]]) a SadisticChoice: kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. The Red Skull then [[WouldHurtAChild chucked the baby]] [[DestinationDefenestration out a window]] and let his three thugs gang-rape her.
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