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4th May '16 8:39:11 AM Silverblade2
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: Black Widow]] arranging for the deaths of Hawkeye's family.
** For Hank Pym, see "NeverLiveItDown" and "NightmareFuel".

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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: MoralEventHorizon:
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Black Widow]] arranging for the deaths of Hawkeye's family.
** %%** For Hank Pym, see "NeverLiveItDown" and "NightmareFuel".
14th Apr '16 5:40:24 PM TitoMosquito
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** While on the subject, when the Ultimates and Fury are sitting around discussing who would play them in a potential movie adaptation of their exploits, Nick Fury is quick to say that he would want to have none other than Samuel Jackson cast as him and only him with no exceptions. Six years later, who else but the most famous most baddest of mofos would approach Tony Stark (played by RDJ) in a [[Film/Iron Man little comic book movie about a man who can fly during the post credits scene to discuss the Avenger Initiative]]

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** While on the subject, when the Ultimates and Fury are sitting around discussing who would play them in a potential movie adaptation of their exploits, Nick Fury is quick to say that he would want to have none other than Samuel Jackson cast as him and only him with no exceptions. Six years later, who else but the most famous most baddest of mofos would approach Tony Stark (played by RDJ) in a [[Film/Iron Man [[Film/IronMan little comic book movie about a man who can fly during the post credits scene to discuss the Avenger Initiative]]
14th Apr '16 12:13:47 PM Anicomicgeek
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Starting with Jeph Loeb, the series seemed more concerned with just making it DarkerAndEdgier, without any good reason or paying any respect to the canon. Given Creator/MarkMillar's other works and the Ultimates being self-serving jackasses as far back as the early stories can have this effect.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Starting with Jeph Loeb, the series seemed more concerned with just making it DarkerAndEdgier, without any good reason or paying any respect to the canon. Given Creator/MarkMillar's other works and the Ultimates being self-serving jackasses as far back as the early stories, even the early stories can have this effect.
14th Apr '16 12:12:21 PM Anicomicgeek
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The first couple of stories averted this, being seen as a good take on pre-existing comic stories. Afterwards, it seems that Jeph Loeb seemed more concerned with just making it DarkerAndEdgier, without any good reason or paying any respect to the canon.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The first couple of stories averted this, being seen as a good take on pre-existing comic stories. Afterwards, it seems that Starting with Jeph Loeb Loeb, the series seemed more concerned with just making it DarkerAndEdgier, without any good reason or paying any respect to the canon.canon. Given Creator/MarkMillar's other works and the Ultimates being self-serving jackasses as far back as the early stories can have this effect.
* DeaderThanDisco: Creator/JephLoeb's run where he decided to go just being DarkerAndEdgier started the downfall of the Ultimate line, but even the early stuff by Creator/MarkMillar has started to be criticized for the same reasons a lot of more recent stuff has been, including the protagonists being rather dark antiheroes, and his making the Hulk a cannibal and Hank Pym an unrepentant abusive husband.



* NeverLiveItDown: In the mainstream MarvelUniverse, Hank Pym only hit Wasp ''once'' and he [[NotHimself wasn't really himself]] [[FreakOut at the time]]. In this continuity, Hank ''is'' a straight-up wife beater. In fact he goes further- when Wasp tried to get away from him by shrinking down to miniature size, he got even ''more'' furious with her and sent an army of ''ants'' on her- remember, she had shrunk, so imagine how close this came to ''killing'' her.

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* NeverLiveItDown: In the mainstream MarvelUniverse, Franchise/MarvelUniverse, Hank Pym only hit Wasp ''once'' and he [[NotHimself wasn't really himself]] [[FreakOut at the time]]. In this continuity, Hank ''is'' a straight-up wife beater. In fact he goes further- when further--when Wasp tried to get away from him by shrinking down to miniature size, he got even ''more'' furious with her and sent an army of ''ants'' on her- remember, her. Remember, she had shrunk, so imagine how close this came to ''killing'' her.
18th Mar '16 5:35:32 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: Ultimate Comicbook/RedSkull is [[UpToEleven even WORSE]] than the regular ComicBook/RedSkull. Ultimate Skull is [[spoiler:the son of Captain America]], and therefore has a version of his powers. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the [[ForTheEvulz sick delight]] he takes in what he does. His list of atrocities includes: killing two hundred people, followed by skinning his own face at the age of seventeen, training terrorists and working with numerous historical monsters, including infamous mass-murderer and cannibal Idi Amin, [[WhoShotJFK shooting Kennedy]], just to send a message, and using the Cosmic Cube to force the members of A.I.M. to eat each other. And then there's his most infamous moment: he gives a woman (later [[TheWasp the Red Wasp]]) a SadisticChoice: kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. The Red Skull then [[WouldHurtAChild chucked the baby]] [[DestinationDefenestration out a window]] and let his three thugs gang-rape her.

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* CompleteMonster: Ultimate Comicbook/RedSkull is [[UpToEleven even WORSE]] than the regular ComicBook/RedSkull. Ultimate Skull ComicBook/RedSkull is [[spoiler:the son of Captain America]], and therefore has a version of his powers. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the [[ForTheEvulz sick delight]] he takes in what he does. His list of atrocities includes: killing two hundred people, followed by skinning his own face at the age of seventeen, training terrorists and working with numerous historical monsters, including infamous mass-murderer and cannibal Idi Amin, UsefulNotes/IdiAmin, [[WhoShotJFK shooting Kennedy]], just to send a message, and using the Cosmic Cube to force the members of A.I.M. to eat each other. And then there's his most infamous moment: he gives a woman (later woman--later [[TheWasp the Red Wasp]]) a Wasp]]--a SadisticChoice: kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. The Red Skull then [[WouldHurtAChild chucked the baby]] [[DestinationDefenestration out a window]] and let his three thugs gang-rape her.



** The ''All-New Ultimates'' take on Jessica Drew, from the costume to the new alias. A lot of people aren't happy with the changes, which is even easier to notice since she was a big EnsembleDarkHorse before the series started.

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** The ''All-New Ultimates'' take on Jessica Drew, from the costume to the new alias. A lot of people aren't happy with the changes, which is even easier to notice since she was a big EnsembleDarkHorse before the series started.
25th Feb '16 8:36:02 PM alphamale2k14
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** While on the subject, when the Ultimates and Fury are sitting around discussing who would play them in a potential movie adaptation of their exploits, Nick Fury is quick to say that he would want to have none other than Samuel Jackson cast as him and only him with no exceptions. Six years later, who else but the most famous most baddest of mofos would approach Tony Stark (played by RDJ) in a [[Film/Iron Man little comic book movie about a man who can fly during the post credits scene to discuss the Avenger Initiative]]
7th Nov '15 10:16:32 PM nombretomado
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* CompleteMonster: Ultimate Comicbook/RedSkull is [[UpToEleven even WORSE]] than the regular RedSkull. Ultimate Skull is [[spoiler:the son of Captain America]], and therefore has a version of his powers. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the [[ForTheEvulz sick delight]] he takes in what he does. His list of atrocities includes: killing two hundred people, followed by skinning his own face at the age of seventeen, training terrorists and working with numerous historical monsters, including infamous mass-murderer and cannibal Idi Amin, [[WhoShotJFK shooting Kennedy]], just to send a message, and using the Cosmic Cube to force the members of A.I.M. to eat each other. And then there's his most infamous moment: he gives a woman (later [[TheWasp the Red Wasp]]) a SadisticChoice: kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. The Red Skull then [[WouldHurtAChild chucked the baby]] [[DestinationDefenestration out a window]] and let his three thugs gang-rape her.

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* CompleteMonster: Ultimate Comicbook/RedSkull is [[UpToEleven even WORSE]] than the regular RedSkull.ComicBook/RedSkull. Ultimate Skull is [[spoiler:the son of Captain America]], and therefore has a version of his powers. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the [[ForTheEvulz sick delight]] he takes in what he does. His list of atrocities includes: killing two hundred people, followed by skinning his own face at the age of seventeen, training terrorists and working with numerous historical monsters, including infamous mass-murderer and cannibal Idi Amin, [[WhoShotJFK shooting Kennedy]], just to send a message, and using the Cosmic Cube to force the members of A.I.M. to eat each other. And then there's his most infamous moment: he gives a woman (later [[TheWasp the Red Wasp]]) a SadisticChoice: kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. The Red Skull then [[WouldHurtAChild chucked the baby]] [[DestinationDefenestration out a window]] and let his three thugs gang-rape her.
6th Sep '15 4:29:27 PM agentjohnbishop
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*** This was played straight when Brian Michael Bendis and Josh Fialkov tried to redeem him. Once Reed was back in the hands of Jonathan Hickman, he returned to his evil glory, to the rejoicing of the fans.

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*** This was played straight when Brian Michael Bendis and Josh Fialkov tried to redeem him. Once Reed was back in the hands of [[Creator/JonathanHickman Jonathan Hickman, Hickman]], he returned to his evil glory, to the rejoicing of the fans.
30th Jul '15 5:14:13 PM Oberyn
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*** This was played straight when Brian Michael Bendis and Josh Fialkov tried to redeem him. Once Reed was back in the hands of Jonathan Hickman, he returned to his evil glory, to the rejoicing of the fans.
15th Jun '15 9:43:09 AM nombretomado
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** A minor example, but the introduction for the hardcover collection of the first series happens to be written by JossWhedon.

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** A minor example, but the introduction for the hardcover collection of the first series happens to be written by JossWhedon.Creator/JossWhedon.
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