History YMMV / TheTwelveKingdoms

17th Sep '15 6:16:45 AM Soufriere
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* FanNickname: Some fans like to call Asano "TheGunslinger from Kei", due to his WeaponOfChoice being a Western six-shooter.



* {{Narm}}: The evil Quee of Hou is named [[UnfortunateNames Kaka]]. It sounds exactly like a (very childish) Spanish word for... poop.

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* {{Narm}}: The evil Quee Queen of Hou is named [[UnfortunateNames Kaka]]. It sounds exactly like a (very childish) Spanish word for... poop.
29th Sep '14 2:29:10 AM VampireYoshi
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*** He was likely thinking [[ValuesDissonance what Japanese culture]] to this day still shows marked belief in, the idea that nobility are inherently 'better', or at least more valuable, people than are peasantry, and that [[MyMasterRightOrWrong absolute loyalty to one's lord]], [[HonorBeforeReason even to the point of]] [[{{Seppuku}} unhesitatingly committing suicide]] if ordered, is superior behavior.

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*** He was likely thinking [[ValuesDissonance what Japanese culture]] to this day still shows marked belief in, the idea that nobility are inherently 'better', or at least more valuable, people than are peasantry, and that [[MyMasterRightOrWrong absolute loyalty to one's lord]], [[HonorBeforeReason even to the point of]] [[{{Seppuku}} unhesitatingly committing suicide]] if ordered, is superior behavior. Possibly related is the concept that the best form of government is also the worst form of government, depending on who's doing the governing.
29th Sep '14 2:27:13 AM VampireYoshi
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*** He was likely thinking [[ValuesDissonance what Japanese culture]] to this day still shows marked belief in, the idea that nobility are inherently 'better', or at least more important, people than are peasantry, and that [[MyMasterRightOrWrong absolute loyalty to one's lord]], [[HonorBeforeReason even to the point of]] [[{{Seppuku}} unhesitatingly committing suicide]] if ordered, is superior behavior.

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*** He was likely thinking [[ValuesDissonance what Japanese culture]] to this day still shows marked belief in, the idea that nobility are inherently 'better', or at least more important, valuable, people than are peasantry, and that [[MyMasterRightOrWrong absolute loyalty to one's lord]], [[HonorBeforeReason even to the point of]] [[{{Seppuku}} unhesitatingly committing suicide]] if ordered, is superior behavior.
29th Sep '14 2:21:27 AM VampireYoshi
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*** He was likely thinking [[ValuesDissonance what Japanese culture]] to this day still shows marked belief in, the idea that nobility are inherently 'better', or at least more important, people than are peasantry, and that [[MyMasterRightOrWrong absolute loyalty to one's lord]], [[HonorBeforeReason even to the point of]] [[{{Seppuku}} unhesitatingly committing suicide]] if ordered, is superior behavior.
16th Sep '14 6:40:04 PM RainFairy
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* {{Narm}}: The evil Quee of Hou is named [[UnfortunateNames Kaka]]. It sounds exactly like a (very childish) Spanish word for... poop.
23rd Aug '14 4:49:32 AM Deamon002
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** While the judgement of Heaven may be certain and ''eventually'' fatal, it is anything but swift. The King of Hou killed 600,000 of his own people, a ''fifth'' of the population, and the only reason he didn't kill more was that his people declined to wait for the shitsudou to carry him off and... [[OffWithHisHead expedited]] the process. To make things worse, the judgement of Heaven initially manifests as bad harvests, disease, natural disasters and the like. In other words, the punishment for a ruler losing the Way falls on the people rather than on the ruler, and that's on top of whatever the ruler is doing that made him a bad king to begin with. In all, it's hard not to wonder what the King of Heaven was thinking when he set up this system. And of course, unlike purely human systems of government, which can be fixed, there's not a thing anyone can do to correct the flaws in this one.
11th Aug '14 12:03:38 PM RainFairy
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Shushou doesn't appear all that much but she is very well-loved in the fandom for her snark, badassery, intelligence and hyper-competence all while being a little girl. She also gets bonus points for trying to set Shoukei in her place.

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* BaseBreaker: Either Shoukei and Suzu are the best examples of CharacterDevelopment in the whole series, alongside Youko, or they're so whiny (Suzu) and/or entitled (Shoukei) that their change came in too late for them to actually become sympathetic.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Shushou doesn't appear all that much but she is very well-loved in the fandom for her snark, badassery, intelligence and hyper-competence all while being a little girl. She also gets bonus points for trying to set the still not wiser Shoukei in her place.


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** Similarly, a good part of the fandom accuses Suzu of being a wangsty and whiny {{Scrappy}} -- ''without'' taking in consideration that this is a product of her extremly harsh life in the Twelve Kingdoms, including 100 years of abuse coming from her mistress. It's a miracle that Suzu isn't ''even whinier'', and not to mention her share of CharacterDevelopment is ''about her stopping to be whiny and self-pitying'', and learning that she ''can'' take control of her own life.
11th Aug '14 11:39:07 AM RainFairy
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* TheScrappy: Suzu is far whinier than Youko was at beginning of the series and thus ''unbearably annoying'' for the overwhelimng majority of the fanbase. She was a Kyoukai with no special skills whatsoever but was allowed to travel with a Shuusei troupe for 4 years upon arriving. Despite this, she never makes any effort to learn about the language or culture of the Twelve Kingdoms. She is later given the ability to speak the language, never fall ill, never starve and immortality after being registered as a Sen-Nin by her mistress. Although having lived in the Twelve Kingdoms for ''at least 105 years'' because of Sen-Nin status, she is still very ignorant and quite the idiot with some of the decisions she makes. She forces her mistress' Sekko, which was trying to protect her from danger, to take her to the Sai Kingdom by screaming and kicking at it. Although her mistress did treat her poorly, she exaggerates the abuse and she often causes many of the mistakes in the first place with her absent-mindedness. One of her main sources for her angst are people calling her "Mokurin" instead of Suzu. She constantly compares her struggles to those of other people under much harsher conditions and believes that the she is somehow the most unfortunate person to ever exist. Suzu never does anything to solve her problems, she just wants other people to pity her and she liked feeling sorry for herself. Her creepy fantasies about the Kei-Ou, with the belief that she will manage to instantly befriend her because she is also a Kyoukai to live her days in luxury in the palace, certainly do not help.
** Shoukei is also quite a scrappy. She is ignorant, selfish, greedy, prissy, spoilt and rude. She continued to act this way even after living in poverty for 3 years. Most people would be grateful for being spared from execution when their parents were ruthless tyrants but she only whines. Even after being offered a place in Kyou palace, she actually has the nerve to steal the royal treasures and escapes from working. Shoukei refuses to accept anything as her fault and believes that she is somehow more important than everyone else.



** [[spoiler:Asano's]] death in [[spoiler:Shoukei's arms]], and when [[spoiler:Youko, Shoukei, and Suzu mourn together for him.]]
*** Especially when you consider that [[spoiler:Asano really did die for nothing, and he knew it.]]
* {{Wangst}}: Suzu gets plenty of it. It's no wonder she's TheScrappy.

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** [[spoiler:Asano's]] death in [[spoiler:Shoukei's arms]], and when [[spoiler:Youko, Shoukei, and Suzu mourn together for him.]]
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]] Especially when you consider that [[spoiler:Asano really did die for nothing, and he knew it.]]
* {{Wangst}}: Suzu gets plenty of it. It's no wonder she's TheScrappy.
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** Suzu could count, given all the crap she went through, although she whines about it (a lot) thereby making her less sympathetic.

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** Suzu could count, given all the crap she went through, although she whines about it (a lot) thereby making her less sympathetic.
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16th Feb '14 2:18:54 PM lucika
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* TheScrappy: Suzu is far whinier than Youko was at beginning of the series and thus ''unbearably annoying'' for the overwhelimng majority of the fanbase. She was a Kyoukai with no special skills whatsoever but was allowed to travel with a Shuusei troupe for 3 years upon arriving. Despite this, she never makes any effort to learn about the language or culture of the Twelve Kingdoms. She is later given the ability to speak the language, never fall ill, never starve and immortality after being registered as a Sen-Nin by her mistress. Although having lived in the Twelve Kingdoms for ''at least 105 years'' because of Sen-Nin status, she is still very ignorant and quite the idiot with some of the decisions she makes. She forces her mistress' Sekko, which was trying to protect her from danger, to take her to the Sai Kingdom by screaming and kicking at it. Although her mistress did treat her poorly, she exaggerates the abuse and she often causes many of the mistakes in the first place with her absent-mindedness. One of her main sources for her angst are people calling her "Mokurin" instead of Suzu. She constantly compares her struggles to those of other people under much harsher conditions and believes that the she is somehow the most unfortunate person to ever exist. Suzu never does anything to solve her problems, she just wants other people to pity her and she liked feeling sorry for herself. Her creepy fantasies about the Kei-Ou, with the belief that she will manage to instantly befriend her because she is also a Kyoukai to live her days in luxury in the palace, certainly do not help.
** Shoukei is also quite a scrappy. She is ignorant, selfish, greedy, prissy, spoiled rotten and rude. She continued to act this way even after living in poverty for 3 years. Most people would be grateful for being spared from execution when their parents were ruthless tyrants but she only whines. Even after being offered a place in Kyou palace, she actually has the nerve to steal the royal treasures and escapes from working. Shoukei refuses to accept anything as her fault and believes that she is somehow more important than everyone else.

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* TheScrappy: Suzu is far whinier than Youko was at beginning of the series and thus ''unbearably annoying'' for the overwhelimng majority of the fanbase. She was a Kyoukai with no special skills whatsoever but was allowed to travel with a Shuusei troupe for 3 4 years upon arriving. Despite this, she never makes any effort to learn about the language or culture of the Twelve Kingdoms. She is later given the ability to speak the language, never fall ill, never starve and immortality after being registered as a Sen-Nin by her mistress. Although having lived in the Twelve Kingdoms for ''at least 105 years'' because of Sen-Nin status, she is still very ignorant and quite the idiot with some of the decisions she makes. She forces her mistress' Sekko, which was trying to protect her from danger, to take her to the Sai Kingdom by screaming and kicking at it. Although her mistress did treat her poorly, she exaggerates the abuse and she often causes many of the mistakes in the first place with her absent-mindedness. One of her main sources for her angst are people calling her "Mokurin" instead of Suzu. She constantly compares her struggles to those of other people under much harsher conditions and believes that the she is somehow the most unfortunate person to ever exist. Suzu never does anything to solve her problems, she just wants other people to pity her and she liked feeling sorry for herself. Her creepy fantasies about the Kei-Ou, with the belief that she will manage to instantly befriend her because she is also a Kyoukai to live her days in luxury in the palace, certainly do not help.
** Shoukei is also quite a scrappy. She is ignorant, selfish, greedy, prissy, spoiled rotten spoilt and rude. She continued to act this way even after living in poverty for 3 years. Most people would be grateful for being spared from execution when their parents were ruthless tyrants but she only whines. Even after being offered a place in Kyou palace, she actually has the nerve to steal the royal treasures and escapes from working. Shoukei refuses to accept anything as her fault and believes that she is somehow more important than everyone else.
16th Feb '14 2:52:53 AM lucika
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** Shoukei is also quite a scrappy. She continued to act this way even after living in poverty for 3 years. Most people would be grateful for being spared from execution when their parents were ruthless tyrants but she only whines. Even after being offered a place in Kyou palace, she actually has the nerve to steal the royal treasures and escapes from working. Shoukei refuses to accept anything as her fault and believes that she is somehow more important than everyone else. She is ignorant, selfish, greedy, prissy, spoiled rotten and rude.

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** Shoukei is also quite a scrappy. She is ignorant, selfish, greedy, prissy, spoiled rotten and rude. She continued to act this way even after living in poverty for 3 years. Most people would be grateful for being spared from execution when their parents were ruthless tyrants but she only whines. Even after being offered a place in Kyou palace, she actually has the nerve to steal the royal treasures and escapes from working. Shoukei refuses to accept anything as her fault and believes that she is somehow more important than everyone else. She is ignorant, selfish, greedy, prissy, spoiled rotten and rude.
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