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** In ''Literature/OutOfTheSilentPlanet'', [[Main/{{Utopia}} the sinless society of Mars]] has a [[FantasticCasteSystem race-based caste system]]. None of the characters have a problem with this. The in-universe justification is that the castes are simply based on the [[PlanetofHats nature of the races in question]]. In other words, all Hrossa are [[WarriorPoet Warrior Poets]], all Pfifltriggi are artistic tech geniuses and all séroni are [[ThePhilosopher philosophizing]] shepherds with no exception (except possibly the Bent hnau offhandedly). In most modern books, such a system would be [[Main/{{Dystopia}} portrayed negatively]].

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** In ''Literature/OutOfTheSilentPlanet'', [[Main/{{Utopia}} the sinless society of Mars]] has a [[FantasticCasteSystem race-based caste system]]. None of the characters have a problem with this. The in-universe justification is that the castes are simply based on the [[PlanetofHats nature of the races in question]]. In other words, all Hrossa are [[WarriorPoet Warrior Poets]], all Pfifltriggi are artistic tech geniuses and all séroni are [[ThePhilosopher philosophizing]] shepherds with no exception (except possibly the Bent hnau offhandedly). mentioned offhandedly in the book). In most modern books, stories, such a system would be [[Main/{{Dystopia}} portrayed negatively]].
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** In ''Literature/OutOfTheSilentPlanet'', [[Main/{{Utopia}} the sinless society of Mars]] has a [[FantasticCasteSystem race-based caste system]]. None of the characters have a problem with this. The in-universe justification is that the castes are simply based on the [[PlanetofHats nature of the races in question]]. In other words, all Hrossa are [[WarriorPoet Warrior Poets]], all Pfifltriggi are artistic tech geniuses and all séroni are [[ThePhilosopher philosophizing]] shepherds. In most modern books, such a system would be [[Main/{{Dystopia}} portrayed negatively]].

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** In ''Literature/OutOfTheSilentPlanet'', [[Main/{{Utopia}} the sinless society of Mars]] has a [[FantasticCasteSystem race-based caste system]]. None of the characters have a problem with this. The in-universe justification is that the castes are simply based on the [[PlanetofHats nature of the races in question]]. In other words, all Hrossa are [[WarriorPoet Warrior Poets]], all Pfifltriggi are artistic tech geniuses and all séroni are [[ThePhilosopher philosophizing]] shepherds.shepherds with no exception (except possibly the Bent hnau offhandedly). In most modern books, such a system would be [[Main/{{Dystopia}} portrayed negatively]].
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** In ''Literature/OutOfTheSilentPlanet'', [[Main/{{Utopia}} the sinless society of Mars]] has a [[FantasticCasteSystem race-based caste system]]. None of the characters have a problem with this. The in-universe justification is that the castes are simply based on the [[PlanetofHats nature of the races in question]]. In other words, all Hrossa are [[WarriorPoet Warrior Poets]], all Pfifltriggi are artistic tech geniuses and all séroni are philosophic shepherds. In most modern books, such a system would be [[Main/{{Dystopia}} portrayed negatively]].

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** In ''Literature/OutOfTheSilentPlanet'', [[Main/{{Utopia}} the sinless society of Mars]] has a [[FantasticCasteSystem race-based caste system]]. None of the characters have a problem with this. The in-universe justification is that the castes are simply based on the [[PlanetofHats nature of the races in question]]. In other words, all Hrossa are [[WarriorPoet Warrior Poets]], all Pfifltriggi are artistic tech geniuses and all séroni are philosophic [[ThePhilosopher philosophizing]] shepherds. In most modern books, such a system would be [[Main/{{Dystopia}} portrayed negatively]].
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** In ''Literature/OutOfTheSilentPlanet'', [[Main/{{Utopia}} the sinless society of Mars]] has a [[FantasticCasteSystem race-based caste system]]. None of the characters have a problem with this, probably because none of the races are oppressed by the others, but [[PlanetOfHats that just leads to further questions]].

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** In ''Literature/OutOfTheSilentPlanet'', [[Main/{{Utopia}} the sinless society of Mars]] has a [[FantasticCasteSystem race-based caste system]]. None of the characters have a problem with this, probably because none this. The in-universe justification is that the castes are simply based on the [[PlanetofHats nature of the races in question]]. In other words, all Hrossa are oppressed by the others, but [[PlanetOfHats that just leads to further questions]].[[WarriorPoet Warrior Poets]], all Pfifltriggi are artistic tech geniuses and all séroni are philosophic shepherds. In most modern books, such a system would be [[Main/{{Dystopia}} portrayed negatively]].
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* CompleteMonster: [[YMMV/ThatHideousStrength "Fairy" Hardcastle]]. See that page for details.
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*** Moreover, Jane has just as big of a problem with Logres' sole physician, Dr. Grace Ironwood, being female. So not only does she reject a societal role as a wife and mother for herself; she likewise rejects a societal role as a working professional. She doesn't want to play ''any'' role at all, and the real question is what ''does'' she want? She doesn't know and spends much of the book in an identity crisis.\\
In her religious experience near the end, she's not so much gifted a ''new'' identity[=/=]self by DivineIntervention as that she's given ''any'' identity[=/=]self at all.
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** In ''Literature/OutOfTheSilentPlanet'', [[Main/{{Utopia}} the sinless society of Mars]] has a [[FantasticCasteSystem race-based caste system]]. None of the characters have a problem with this.

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** In ''Literature/OutOfTheSilentPlanet'', [[Main/{{Utopia}} the sinless society of Mars]] has a [[FantasticCasteSystem race-based caste system]]. None of the characters have a problem with this.this, probably because none of the races are oppressed by the others, but [[PlanetOfHats that just leads to further questions]].
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* ValuesResonance: When listing examples of all that is base and ignoble in the British spirit, Dimble mentions famous imperialist Cecil Rhodes in the same breath as UsefulNotes/OliverCromwell and [[Myth/KingArthur Mordred]]. At the time, Rhodes was often celebrated as a visionary businessman, but today he is more likely to be condemned for his virulent racism and cruel exploitation of the places he subjected to British control.

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* ValuesResonance: When listing examples of all that is base and ignoble in the British spirit, Dimble mentions famous imperialist Cecil Rhodes in the same breath as UsefulNotes/OliverCromwell and [[Myth/KingArthur [[Myth/ArthurianLegend Mordred]]. At the time, Rhodes was often celebrated as a visionary businessman, but today he is more likely to be condemned for his virulent racism and cruel exploitation of the places he subjected to British control.
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** In ''Literature/OutOfTheSilentPlanet'', [[Main/{{Utopia}} the sinless society of Mars]] has a [[FantasticCasteSystem race-based caste system]].

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** In ''Literature/OutOfTheSilentPlanet'', [[Main/{{Utopia}} the sinless society of Mars]] has a [[FantasticCasteSystem race-based caste system]]. None of the characters have a problem with this.
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** In ''Literature/OutOfTheSilentPlanet'', [[Main/{{Utopia}} the sinless society of Mars]] has a [[FantasticCasteSystem race-based caste system]].
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: At the time the trilogy was first published, most aliens in SF stories were hostile savages intent on destroying humanity. For Lewis's aliens to be morally superior to man was a radical departure... which was widely adopted by later writers, somewhat diluting its impact today. Though the thing that remains the most original with Lewis' premise is that his aliens still believe in a deity (one who is implied to be ''the same one who led the Hebrews out of Egypt'' at that), [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions while most other sci-fi examples don't]].

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: At the time the trilogy was first published, most aliens in SF stories were hostile savages intent on destroying humanity. For Lewis's aliens to be morally superior to man was a radical departure... departure (for perspective, Creator/{{H P Lovecraft}}’s entire career happened before this book)… which was widely adopted by later writers, somewhat diluting its impact today. Though the thing that remains the most original with Lewis' premise is that his aliens still believe in a deity (one who is implied to be ''the same one who led the Hebrews out of Egypt'' at that), [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions while most other sci-fi examples don't]].
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** Also in ''Perelandra'' the underground section can be incredibly creepy. Not ''just'' because most of it takes place in total darkness, but because there are ''lots'' of hints that all sorts of bizarre persons and places exist down there and the reader only sees enough of them to hint at it. And what little we see is hinted [[EldritchAbomination to be not necessarily ''evil'' but so ''foreign'' to human experience that it's incomprehensible]].

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** Also in ''Perelandra'' the underground section can be incredibly creepy. Not ''just'' because most of it takes place in total darkness, but because there are ''lots'' of hints that all sorts of bizarre persons and places exist down there and the reader only sees enough of them to hint at it. And what little we see is hinted [[EldritchAbomination to be not necessarily ''evil'' necessarily]] ''[[EldritchAbomination evil]]'' [[EldritchAbomination but so ''foreign'' so]] ''[[EldritchAbomination foreign]]'' [[EldritchAbomination to human experience that it's incomprehensible]].



* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs: ''Perelandra'' can get rather trippy at times...

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** While Ransom tries to deduce which planet he's on in ''Out of the Silent Planet'', he concludes that it isn't Venus, because he thought Venus would be a bit hotter. This was written in 1938, almost twenty-five years before the surface temperature of Venus was measured.
*** They suspected it was hotter by simple fact of it being closer to the Sun; they just didn't know how much ''ludicrously'' hotter it really is.

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** While Ransom tries to deduce which planet he's on in ''Out of the Silent Planet'', he concludes that it isn't Venus, because he thought Venus would be a bit hotter. This was written in 1938, almost twenty-five years before the surface temperature of Venus was measured.
*** They suspected it was hotter by simple fact of it being closer
measured and found to the Sun; they just didn't know how much be ''ludicrously'' hotter it really is.than Earth's rather than just "[[{{Understatement}} a bit]]".
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** The Unman talking about the "Force" as an energy which comes from all life and commands his actions, a full thirty-plus years before ''Film/StarWars''.

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** The Unman talking about the "Force" as an energy which comes from all life and commands his actions, a full thirty-plus years before ''Film/StarWars''.''[[Film/ANewHope Star Wars]]''.
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*** They suspected it was hotter by simple fact of it being closer to the Sun; they just didn't know how much''ludicrously'' hotter it really is.

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*** They suspected it was hotter by simple fact of it being closer to the Sun; they just didn't know how much''ludicrously'' much ''ludicrously'' hotter it really is.
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*** They suspected it was hotter because it's closer to the Sun, they just didn't know how ''ludicrously'' hotter it really is.

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*** They suspected it was hotter because it's by simple fact of it being closer to the Sun, Sun; they just didn't know how ''ludicrously'' much''ludicrously'' hotter it really is.
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*** They suspected it was hotter because it's closer to the Sun, they just didn't know how ''ludicrously'' hotter it really is.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: At the time the trilogy was first published, most aliens in SF stories were hostile savages intent on destroying humanity. For Lewis's aliens to be morally superior to man was a radical departure... which was widely adopted by later writers, somewhat diluting its impact today. Though the thing that remains the most original with Lewis' premise is that his aliens still believe in a deity, [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions while most other sci-fi examples don't]].

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: At the time the trilogy was first published, most aliens in SF stories were hostile savages intent on destroying humanity. For Lewis's aliens to be morally superior to man was a radical departure... which was widely adopted by later writers, somewhat diluting its impact today. Though the thing that remains the most original with Lewis' premise is that his aliens still believe in a deity, deity (one who is implied to be ''the same one who led the Hebrews out of Egypt'' at that), [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions while most other sci-fi examples don't]].
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** Also in ''Perelandra'' the underground section can be incredibly creepy. Not ''just'' because most of it takes place in total darkness, but because there are ''lots'' of hints that all sorts of bizarre persons and places exist down there and the reader only sees enough of them to hint at it. And what little we see is hinted to be not necessarily ''evil'' but so ''foreign'' to human experience that it's incomprehensible.

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** Also in ''Perelandra'' the underground section can be incredibly creepy. Not ''just'' because most of it takes place in total darkness, but because there are ''lots'' of hints that all sorts of bizarre persons and places exist down there and the reader only sees enough of them to hint at it. And what little we see is hinted [[EldritchAbomination to be not necessarily ''evil'' but so ''foreign'' to human experience that it's incomprehensible.incomprehensible]].

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* HilariousInHindsight: The Unman talking about the "Force" as an energy which comes from all life and commands his actions, a full thirty-plus years before ''Film/StarWars.''

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The Unman talking about the "Force" as an energy which comes from all life and commands his actions, a full thirty-plus years before ''Film/StarWars.'' ''Film/StarWars''.
** While Ransom tries to deduce which planet he's on in ''Out of the Silent Planet'', he concludes that it isn't Venus, because he thought Venus would be a bit hotter. This was written in 1938, almost twenty-five years before the surface temperature of Venus was measured.
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** Except this is ''Jane's'' reaction to what she and Mark are both supposed to learn (and finally do) - that you can't love someone on your own terms. While Jane confronts her fear of being treated instrumentally, the [[CommitmentIssues distrust and distance towards others this begets]], Mark slowly comes to understand that [[HeelRealization he has been hurting people in precisely this manner]], that he could have hurt Jane in precisely this manner and that he has no ownership over Jane, nor any title to said ownership. He thinks this outright on the last pages on the novel, on his way to meet Jane again.
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* CultClassic: The books are certainly not as well known as Lewis' other works, but have received just as much praise from those who have read them.
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* ValuesDissonance: The long discussions about gender roles in ''That Hideous Strength'', as several of the protagonists try to convince the feminist Jane Studdock that a woman's place is to submit to her husband, can seem very odd to modern-day readers, especially those who don't share Lewis's traditionalist views on the subject.
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Natter and Thread Mode; irrelevant example. The whole point of the story is that Ransom is trying to stop the literal Devil, not "having a theological debate."


* ValuesDissonance: You're in a theological debate. You find yourself losing the argument and fear that your audience might be swayed towards the opinions of your opponent. What do you do? If you're Ransom, you follow the advice of a "divine voice" and kill the bastard. The ''intended'' message is supposed to be an anti-appeasement one (the book was published in 1943): sometimes it's not enough to be right - some people can't be reasoned with, and for the good of all you have to use force. However, in the context of the story where his opponent is playing by the rules and technically isn't harming anyone, it accidentally comes more across like, "If you're losing an argument, just beat the crap out of your opponent because you know you're right."
** There are, however, mitigating factors:
*** This wasn't just a debate between two people with equally valid points. It was literally the devil incarnate, trying to convince another world's Eve to disobey God and duplicate the fall of man, thereby wrecking another paradisal world ForTheEvulz. Ransom's task was to prevent this from happening by any means necessary.
*** This was his last resort. He came to this conclusion only after being dragged through weeks of argument.
*** Ransom was physically and mentally exhausted because the Un-Man, being demon-possessed, did not need to sleep. He abused this by engaging Tinidrel when Ransom could no longer stay awake, or by deliberately keeping Ransom sleep-deprived, to the detriment of his mental health.
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* HilariousInHindsight: The Unman talking about the "Force" as an energy which comes from all life and commands his actions, a full thirty-plus years before ''Film/StarWars.''
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* ValuesResonance: When listing examples of all that is base and ignoble in the British spirit, Dimble mentions famous imperialist Cecil Rhodes in the same breath as Oliver Cromwell and Mordred. At the time, Rhodes was often celebrated as a visionary businessman, but today he is more likely to be condemned for his virulent racism and cruel exploitation of the places he subjected to British control.

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* ValuesResonance: When listing examples of all that is base and ignoble in the British spirit, Dimble mentions famous imperialist Cecil Rhodes in the same breath as Oliver Cromwell UsefulNotes/OliverCromwell and Mordred.[[Myth/KingArthur Mordred]]. At the time, Rhodes was often celebrated as a visionary businessman, but today he is more likely to be condemned for his virulent racism and cruel exploitation of the places he subjected to British control.
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* ValuesDissonance: You're in a theological debate. You find yourself losing the argument and fear that your audience might be swayed towards the opinions of your opponent. What do you do? If you're Ransom, you follow the advice of a "divine voice" and simply kill the bastard. The ''intended'' message is supposed to be an anti-appeasement one (the book was published in 1943): sometimes it's not enough to be right - some people can't be reasoned with, and for the good of all you have to use force. However, in the context of the story where his opponent is playing by the rules and technically isn't harming anyone (he's convincing them to do it themselves), it accidentally comes more across like, "If you're losing an argument, just beat the crap out of your opponent because you know you're right."

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* ValuesDissonance: You're in a theological debate. You find yourself losing the argument and fear that your audience might be swayed towards the opinions of your opponent. What do you do? If you're Ransom, you follow the advice of a "divine voice" and simply kill the bastard. The ''intended'' message is supposed to be an anti-appeasement one (the book was published in 1943): sometimes it's not enough to be right - some people can't be reasoned with, and for the good of all you have to use force. However, in the context of the story where his opponent is playing by the rules and technically isn't harming anyone (he's convincing them to do it themselves), anyone, it accidentally comes more across like, "If you're losing an argument, just beat the crap out of your opponent because you know you're right."
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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''That Hideous Strength'' addresses the issue of transhumanism and many of its implications. Its first printing was in 1945.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''That Hideous Strength'' (and ideologically, all three books) addresses the issue of transhumanism and many of its implications. Its first printing was in 1945.
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Just because violence requires courage doesn't mitigate it, unlike the other factors here.


*** It required tremendous courage on Ransom's part. He was certain that physically battling the devil would mean his death. [[spoiler:Fortunately for him, the body the devil was inhabiting belonged to another out-of-shape professor.]]
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Also, it's not a YMMV trope.


* AuthorTract: The 'judgment' scene in ''Out of the Silent Planet'' forces secular-humanist Weston to attempt to justify his worldview to an angel that doesn't speak his language. He has to resort to the interpretive services of Ransom, who can only convey his speech very simplistically. Although it's definitely an amusing scene, it's also a cheap device to deconstruc Weston's opinions, and not necessarily in a very fair way.

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