History YMMV / TheRingOfTheNibelung

26th Aug '17 3:09:45 PM AutumnLeaves
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** And whether Gutrune loved Siegfried and just wanted to secure his love or she trapped him merely because he was the coolest hero ever.



** Arguably Hunding. While he is a gruff and unfriendly man with a bad relationship with his wife, he is honourable (keeping his promise to let Siegmund spend the night), and according to the customs of his own culture he has done nothing wrong (it is clearly indicated that forced marriage is normal in the story's culture). He may want to kill Siegmund, but Siegmund has killed members of his clan.

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** Arguably Hunding. Hunding can be viewed as LawfulEvil. While he is a gruff and unfriendly man with a bad relationship with his wife, he is honourable (keeping his promise to let Siegmund spend the night), and according to the customs of his own culture he has done nothing wrong (it is clearly indicated that forced marriage and treating women like spoils of war is normal in the story's culture). He may want to kill Siegmund, but Siegmund has killed members of his clan.
28th Jul '17 7:58:22 AM KneadToKnow
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* JumpingOnPoint: As [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] by Creator/AnnaRussell, in the opening of ''[[Theatre/TheRingOfTheNibelung Götterdämmerung]]'', the Fates re-tell the story of the first three operas "right over again ''from the beginning.'' That is, of course, [[SarcasmMode in case you couldn't hear it the first time]]. As a matter of fact, you can miss out parts one, two, and three, and go in at the beginning of ''Götterdämmerung'' and you'll be just about as far ahead as anyone else is."
18th Jul '17 10:32:49 PM JJJBATMAN
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* VocalRangeExceeded: Being one of the first pieces ever written with it, Wagner's bass trumpet part can get hairy, to say the least, in terms of how high it goes. This trope might also apply to the contrabass trombone and higher horn parts.
6th May '17 11:15:10 AM DrSleep
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** Or: "Kill da wabbit, kill da wabbit, kill da waabit!"

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** Or: [[WesternAnimation/WhatsOperaDoc "Kill da wabbit, kill da wabbit, kill da waabit!"waabit!"]]
23rd Apr '17 12:58:53 AM Golondrina
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* PacingProblems: It has been opined that some scenes, such as Wotan's recap of previous events to Brünnhilde (in ''Walküre''), go on way too long.
18th Mar '17 2:15:59 AM NWolfman
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* EndingFatigue: The ''Ring'' has been accused of it by some people.

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* EndingFatigue: The ''Ring'' has been accused It's worth noting that, in the era when the cycle was composed, patrons were expected to make an all-day event of it by some people.them, bringing meals with them to the performance and even going home to freshen up during intermissions. Those unfamiliar with this fact therefore have a tendency to accuse the cycle as simply being "too long."



* SequelFirst: ''Das Rheingold'' was actually the last of the plays to get an American production.

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* SequelFirst: ''Das Rheingold'' was actually the last of the plays to get an American production.production.
* WeirdAlEffect: Many 20th and 21st century audiences are more familiar with the cycle's [[WesternAnimation/WhatsOperaDoc ultra-abridged seven minute animated version]] than the operas themselves.
16th Feb '17 4:54:33 PM Thorion
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Whether or not Alberich was looking for love or just looking for sex is left up in the air.
29th Nov '16 9:30:56 PM SpectralTime
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* DesignatedVillain: Fasolt, an honest, humble and lonely giant who is genuinely in love with Freia and believed the building of Valhalla to be a sort of EngagementChallenge. Unlike the vast majority of characters, he doesn't go crazy about the ring until Loge advises him to get it (and even then, it's not world domination that matters for him but the memory of Freia's look).

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* DesignatedVillain: By the same token, a number of antagonistic characters are dealt with rather harshly.
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Fasolt, an honest, humble and lonely giant who is genuinely in love with Freia and believed the building of Valhalla to be a sort of EngagementChallenge. Unlike the vast majority of characters, he doesn't go crazy about the ring until Loge advises him to get it (and even then, it's not world domination that matters for him but the memory of Freia's look).
29th Nov '16 4:26:43 PM AutumnLeaves
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* DesignatedVillain: Fasolt, an honest, humble and lonely giant genuinely in love with Freia, who believed the building of Valhalla to be a sort of EngagementChallenge. Unlike the vast majority of characters, he doesn't go crazy about the ring until Loge advises him to get it (and even then, it's not world domination that matters for him but the memory of Freia's look).

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* DesignatedVillain: Fasolt, an honest, humble and lonely giant who is genuinely in love with Freia, who Freia and believed the building of Valhalla to be a sort of EngagementChallenge. Unlike the vast majority of characters, he doesn't go crazy about the ring until Loge advises him to get it (and even then, it's not world domination that matters for him but the memory of Freia's look).
29th Nov '16 4:26:07 PM AutumnLeaves
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* DesignatedVillain: Arguably Hunding. While he is a gruff and unfriendly man with a bad relationship with his wife, he is honourable (keeping his promise to let Siegmund spend the night), and according to the customs of his own culture he has done nothing wrong (it is clearly indicated that forced marriage is normal in the story's culture). He may want to kill Siegmund, but Siegmund has killed members of his clan.

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* DesignatedVillain: Fasolt, an honest, humble and lonely giant genuinely in love with Freia, who believed the building of Valhalla to be a sort of EngagementChallenge. Unlike the vast majority of characters, he doesn't go crazy about the ring until Loge advises him to get it (and even then, it's not world domination that matters for him but the memory of Freia's look).
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Arguably Hunding. While he is a gruff and unfriendly man with a bad relationship with his wife, he is honourable (keeping his promise to let Siegmund spend the night), and according to the customs of his own culture he has done nothing wrong (it is clearly indicated that forced marriage is normal in the story's culture). He may want to kill Siegmund, but Siegmund has killed members of his clan.
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