History YMMV / TheRingOfTheNibelung

16th Feb '17 4:54:33 PM Thorion
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Whether or not Alberich was looking for love or just looking for sex is left up in the air.
29th Nov '16 9:30:56 PM SpectralTime
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* DesignatedVillain: Fasolt, an honest, humble and lonely giant who is genuinely in love with Freia and believed the building of Valhalla to be a sort of EngagementChallenge. Unlike the vast majority of characters, he doesn't go crazy about the ring until Loge advises him to get it (and even then, it's not world domination that matters for him but the memory of Freia's look).

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* DesignatedVillain: By the same token, a number of antagonistic characters are dealt with rather harshly.
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Fasolt, an honest, humble and lonely giant who is genuinely in love with Freia and believed the building of Valhalla to be a sort of EngagementChallenge. Unlike the vast majority of characters, he doesn't go crazy about the ring until Loge advises him to get it (and even then, it's not world domination that matters for him but the memory of Freia's look).
29th Nov '16 4:26:43 PM AutumnLeaves
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* DesignatedVillain: Fasolt, an honest, humble and lonely giant genuinely in love with Freia, who believed the building of Valhalla to be a sort of EngagementChallenge. Unlike the vast majority of characters, he doesn't go crazy about the ring until Loge advises him to get it (and even then, it's not world domination that matters for him but the memory of Freia's look).

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* DesignatedVillain: Fasolt, an honest, humble and lonely giant who is genuinely in love with Freia, who Freia and believed the building of Valhalla to be a sort of EngagementChallenge. Unlike the vast majority of characters, he doesn't go crazy about the ring until Loge advises him to get it (and even then, it's not world domination that matters for him but the memory of Freia's look).
29th Nov '16 4:26:07 PM AutumnLeaves
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* DesignatedVillain: Arguably Hunding. While he is a gruff and unfriendly man with a bad relationship with his wife, he is honourable (keeping his promise to let Siegmund spend the night), and according to the customs of his own culture he has done nothing wrong (it is clearly indicated that forced marriage is normal in the story's culture). He may want to kill Siegmund, but Siegmund has killed members of his clan.

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* DesignatedVillain: Fasolt, an honest, humble and lonely giant genuinely in love with Freia, who believed the building of Valhalla to be a sort of EngagementChallenge. Unlike the vast majority of characters, he doesn't go crazy about the ring until Loge advises him to get it (and even then, it's not world domination that matters for him but the memory of Freia's look).
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Arguably Hunding. While he is a gruff and unfriendly man with a bad relationship with his wife, he is honourable (keeping his promise to let Siegmund spend the night), and according to the customs of his own culture he has done nothing wrong (it is clearly indicated that forced marriage is normal in the story's culture). He may want to kill Siegmund, but Siegmund has killed members of his clan.
24th Oct '16 3:27:35 AM SorPepita
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** Wotan's pretty openly a ManipulativeBastard, the [[EvilIsPetty Rhinemaidens]] taunt Alberich cruelly for their own amusement, Alberich is as miserable as he is power-hungry, and Siegmund and Sieglinde are incestuous murderers. Brunhilde is arguably the only sympathetic protagonist, being manipulated rather than knowingly choosing evil, and accepting her HeroicSacrifice to try to undo the crimes of everyone else.

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** Wotan's pretty openly a ManipulativeBastard, the [[EvilIsPetty Rhinemaidens]] taunt Alberich cruelly for their own amusement, Alberich is as miserable as he is power-hungry, and Siegmund and Sieglinde are incestuous murderers. Brunhilde Brunnhilde is arguably the only sympathetic protagonist, being manipulated rather than knowingly choosing evil, and accepting her HeroicSacrifice to try to undo the crimes of everyone else.



* MemeticMutation: The expression "It ain't over till the fat lady sings" is very possibly a reference to the end of the ''Ring''[[note]]although an even better case can be made for ''Tristan'', which actually ends with Isolde's ''Liebestod''[[/note]]. The last scene of ''Götterdämmerung'', features Brünnhilde singing a exceedingly long farewell to the dead Siegfried (''Starke Scheite schichtet mir dort!''[[note]]"Stout timbers stack for me there!"[[/note]]), although the very last vocal utterance of the work is Hagen's ''Zurück vom Ring!''"[[note]]"[Keep] back from the Ring!"[[/note]].

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* MemeticMutation: The expression "It ain't over till the fat lady sings" is very possibly a reference to the end of the ''Ring''[[note]]although an even better case can be made for ''Tristan'', which actually ends with Isolde's ''Liebestod''[[/note]]. The last scene of ''Götterdämmerung'', features Brünnhilde Brunnhilde singing a exceedingly long farewell to the dead Siegfried (''Starke Scheite schichtet mir dort!''[[note]]"Stout timbers stack for me there!"[[/note]]), although the very last vocal utterance of the work is Hagen's ''Zurück vom Ring!''"[[note]]"[Keep] back from the Ring!"[[/note]].



* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Wagner's ''Musik der Zukunft''" ("The Music of the Future") was considered daringly, even outrageously, innovative in his own time; but he became so influential that his music is now reckoned old-fashioned and even stereotypical by some.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Wagner's ''Musik der Zukunft''" ("The Music of the Future") was considered daringly, even outrageously, innovative in his own time; time, but he became so influential that his music is now reckoned old-fashioned and even stereotypical by some.
22nd Sep '16 8:43:51 AM SorPepita
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** Wotan's pretty openly a ManipulativeBastard, the [[EvilIsPetty Rhinemaidens]] taunt Alberich cruelly for their own amusement, Alberich is as miserable as he is power-hungry, and Siegmund and Sieglinde are incestuous murderers. Bruunhilde is arguably the only sympathetic protagonist, being manipulated rather than knowingly choosing evil, and accepting her HeroicSacrifice to try to undo the crimes of everyone else.

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** Wotan's pretty openly a ManipulativeBastard, the [[EvilIsPetty Rhinemaidens]] taunt Alberich cruelly for their own amusement, Alberich is as miserable as he is power-hungry, and Siegmund and Sieglinde are incestuous murderers. Bruunhilde Brunhilde is arguably the only sympathetic protagonist, being manipulated rather than knowingly choosing evil, and accepting her HeroicSacrifice to try to undo the crimes of everyone else.



* EarWorm: The constant Heijahei phrase to signify joy. Especially when the Rhinedaughters belt out "RHEINGOLD RHEINGOLD...HEIJAHI" in the cycle's first act. It recurs in the famous Ride of the Valkyries too.

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* EarWorm: The constant Heijahei phrase to signify joy. Especially when the Rhinedaughters belt out "RHEINGOLD RHEINGOLD... HEIJAHI" in the cycle's first act. It recurs in the famous Ride of the Valkyries too.
22nd Sep '16 8:43:19 AM SorPepita
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** There are some people out there who cannot ''stand'' Siegfried, whom they view as a bully and a boor. The anti-Semitic connotations with his treatment of Mime don't help. And he rapes Brunhilde under the disguise of Gunther, which is pretty despicable, even if he was under the effects of LovePotion, he still saw it as no big deal to kidnap a woman on behalf of someone else.

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** There are some people out there who cannot ''stand'' Siegfried, whom they view as a bully and a boor. The anti-Semitic connotations with his treatment of Mime don't help. And he rapes Brunhilde under the disguise of Gunther, which is pretty despicable, despicable; even if he was under the effects of LovePotion, he still saw it as no big deal to kidnap a woman on behalf of someone else.
15th Jun '16 2:45:23 AM JulianLapostat
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* EarWorm: The constant Heijahei phrase to signify joy. Especially when the Rhinedaughters belt out "RHEINGOLD RHEINGOLD...HEIJAHI" in the cycle's first act. It recurs in the famous Ride of the Valkyries too.
14th Jun '16 8:04:08 AM JulianLapostat
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* DesignatedHero: There are some people out there who cannot ''stand'' Siegfried, whom they view as a bully and a boor. The anti-Semitic connotations with his treatment of Mime don't help.

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* DesignatedHero: Wagner had a classical sense of TheHero, i.e. someone who is the protagonist of his story and whose actions have consequence, and not necessarily someone that the audience is supposed to identify with on a moral level (which is the more contemporary notion of a hero):
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There are some people out there who cannot ''stand'' Siegfried, whom they view as a bully and a boor. The anti-Semitic connotations with his treatment of Mime don't help. And he rapes Brunhilde under the disguise of Gunther, which is pretty despicable, even if he was under the effects of LovePotion, he still saw it as no big deal to kidnap a woman on behalf of someone else.



* DesignatedVillain: Fasolt, an honest and lonely giant who just wants a beautiful woman and is willing to buy one.
** Arguably Hunding. While he is a gruff and unfriendly man with a bad relationship with his wife, he is honourable (keeping his promise to let Siegmund spend the night), and according to the customs of his own culture he has done nothing wrong (it is clearly indicated that forced marriage is normal in the story's culture). He may want to kill Siegmund, but Siegmund has killed members of his clan.

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* DesignatedVillain: Fasolt, an honest and lonely giant who just wants a beautiful woman and is willing to buy one.
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Arguably Hunding. While he is a gruff and unfriendly man with a bad relationship with his wife, he is honourable (keeping his promise to let Siegmund spend the night), and according to the customs of his own culture he has done nothing wrong (it is clearly indicated that forced marriage is normal in the story's culture). He may want to kill Siegmund, but Siegmund has killed members of his clan.
7th Feb '16 8:31:50 AM Freshmeat
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* MagnumOpus: For Creator/RichardWagner.
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