History YMMV / ThePilgrimsProgress

1st Mar '17 11:10:49 PM Sammettik
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** "Abandon your wife and children" isn't generally considered acceptable even as an allegory these days. Also, Ignorance's fate can come off as unnecessarily harsh and arbitrary, especially since the thing that. ("Look, sorry, you really need to go back and follow the proper path. You've done nothing wrong, so we'll hold a spot for you.")

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** "Abandon your wife and children" isn't generally considered acceptable even as an allegory these days. Also, Ignorance's fate can come off as unnecessarily harsh and arbitrary, especially since the thing that.arbitrary. ("Look, sorry, you really need to go back and follow the proper path. You've done nothing wrong, so we'll hold a spot for you.")
1st Mar '17 11:09:15 PM Sammettik
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** One of the "evil" characters is named Talkative. ''Talkative''. After all the other NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast, his seems enormously anticlimactic. Despite this, there is a point as being talkative can cause [[KnowNothingKnowItAll very]] [[MaliciousSlander serious]] [[LooseLips problems]].

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** One of the "evil" characters is named Talkative. ''Talkative''. After all the other NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast, his seems enormously anticlimactic. Despite this, there is a point as being talkative can cause [[KnowNothingKnowItAll very]] [[MaliciousSlander serious]] [[LooseLips problems]].



** "Abandon your wife and children" isn't generally considered acceptable even as an allegory these days. Also, Ignorance's fate can come off as unnecessarily harsh and arbitrary. ("Look, sorry, you really need to go back and follow the proper path. You've done nothing wrong, so we'll hold a spot for you.")
*** Christian and Faithful informed Ignorance of the correct way to go but he did not heed the fact.

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** "Abandon your wife and children" isn't generally considered acceptable even as an allegory these days. Also, Ignorance's fate can come off as unnecessarily harsh and arbitrary.arbitrary, especially since the thing that. ("Look, sorry, you really need to go back and follow the proper path. You've done nothing wrong, so we'll hold a spot for you.")
*** Christian and Faithful informed Ignorance of the correct way to go but he did not heed the fact.
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1st Mar '17 11:07:35 PM Sammettik
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* {{Anvilicious}}/SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Very and deliberately so, and actually the reason it became popular: its Christian message is so anvilicious that the [[MoralGuardians Puritans]] approved of it, deeming it almost as suitable for reading on Sundays as the Bible itself.

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* {{Anvilicious}}/SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: {{Anvilicious}}: Very and deliberately so, and actually the reason it became popular: its Christian message is so anvilicious that the [[MoralGuardians Puritans]] approved of it, deeming it almost as suitable for reading on Sundays as the Bible itself.
17th Nov '16 8:24:38 PM Fireblood
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* ValuesResonance: The second part of Pilgrim's Progress; the story of Christian's wife and children has them take up arms and help people including the mentally-challenged. This affirms that God is available for all and women, children and the mentally challenged can be brave pilgrims as well. This was written in the 17th century, when society had values deviating form God such as throwing the mentally challenged in a BedlamHouse, and most women were expected to StayInTheKitchen or make babies.

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* ValuesResonance: The second part of Pilgrim's Progress; the story of Christian's wife and children has them take up arms and help people including the mentally-challenged. This affirms that God is available for all and women, children and the mentally challenged can be brave pilgrims as well. This was written in the 17th century, when society had values deviating form God such as throwing the mentally challenged in a BedlamHouse, and most women were expected to StayInTheKitchen or make babies.
21st Oct '16 3:32:42 AM Tropgun1
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* MisaimedFandom: Of a more InsultBackfire type of way. Muckraker in the book is a character who is so obsessed with cleaning up mud on the ground that he fails to notice a golden crown above him. Journalists in the early 20th century who investigated big corporations were dubbed "muckrakers" as an insult, but it eventually turned into a positive term thanks to UsefulNotes/TheodoreRoosevelt's speech "[[http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/teddyrooseveltmuckrake.htm The Man With the Muck-Rake]]", which notes the irony of the nickname.

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* MisaimedFandom: Of a more InsultBackfire type of way. Muckraker in the book is a character who is so obsessed with cleaning up mud on the ground that he fails to notice a golden crown above him. Journalists in the early 20th century who investigated big corporations were dubbed "muckrakers" as an insult, but it eventually turned into a positive term thanks to UsefulNotes/TheodoreRoosevelt's speech "[[http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/teddyrooseveltmuckrake.htm The Man With the Muck-Rake]]", which notes the irony of the nickname. There's also the magazine company "Vanity Fair". If they took the name from Pilgrim's Progress (or were aware of the book when they chose the name), they either don't know the book, forgot or disregarded that the Vanity Fair in the book is a bad thing.
5th Sep '16 8:48:29 PM BroTim11
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* ValuesResonance: The second part of Pilgrim's Progress; the story of Christian's wife and children has them take up arms and help people including the mentally-challenged. This affirms that God is available for all and women, children and the mentally challenged can be brave pilgrims as well. This was written in the 17th century, when society had values deviating form God such as throwing the mentally challenged in a BedlamHouse, and most women were expected to StayInTheKitchen or make babies.
1st Sep '16 12:08:39 AM BroTim11
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*** Christian and Faithful informed Ignorance of the correct way to go but he did not heed the fact.
1st Sep '16 12:06:33 AM BroTim11
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* {{Anvilicious}}: Very and deliberately so, and actually the reason it became popular: its Christian message is so anvilicious that the [[MoralGuardians Puritans]] approved of it, deeming it almost as suitable for reading on Sundays as the Bible itself.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: {{Anvilicious}}/SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Very and deliberately so, and actually the reason it became popular: its Christian message is so anvilicious that the [[MoralGuardians Puritans]] approved of it, deeming it almost as suitable for reading on Sundays as the Bible itself.
10th Aug '16 10:41:29 PM BroTim11
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* ValuesDissonance: Uh, yeah, some.

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* ValuesDissonance: Uh, yeah, some.There is some, especially to modern readers due to the increasing secularization of society.
10th Aug '16 10:40:39 PM BroTim11
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* {{Anvilicious}}: Very much so, and actually the reason it became popular: it was so [[{{Anvilicious}} anviliciously]] religious that the [[MoralGuardians Puritans]] considered it as suitable for reading on Sundays as the Bible itself.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: Very much and deliberately so, and actually the reason it became popular: it was its Christian message is so [[{{Anvilicious}} anviliciously]] religious anvilicious that the [[MoralGuardians Puritans]] considered approved of it, deeming it almost as suitable for reading on Sundays as the Bible itself.
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