History YMMV / ThePilgrimsProgress

11th Feb '16 2:16:42 AM Adept
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* ValuesDissonance: Uh, yeah, some. "Abandon your wife and children" isn't generally considered acceptable even as an allegory these days. Also, Ignorance's fate can come off as unnecessarily harsh and arbitrary. ("Look, sorry, you really need to go back and follow the proper path. You've done nothing wrong, so we'll hold a spot for you.")

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* ValuesDissonance: Uh, yeah, some.
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"Abandon your wife and children" isn't generally considered acceptable even as an allegory these days. Also, Ignorance's fate can come off as unnecessarily harsh and arbitrary. ("Look, sorry, you really need to go back and follow the proper path. You've done nothing wrong, so we'll hold a spot for you.")")
** In the second part, all four of Christiana's sons get married within a span of a few pages despite having no romance arcs with any of their wives. To modern viewers, this would seem like an extreme case of StrangledByTheRedString. In the 17th Century, getting married and having a family is seen as more important than experiencing romance, and people in those days usually get married ''before'' they fall in love with their spouses, rather than the other way around.
23rd Jan '16 10:07:34 AM GothicProphet
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* ValuesDissonance: Uh, yeah, some. "Abandon your wife and children" isn't generally considered acceptable even as an allegory these days. Also, Ignorance's fate can come off as unnecessarily harsh and arbitrary. ("Look, sorry, you really need to go back and follow the proper path. You've done nothing wrong, so we'll hold a spot for you.")

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* ValuesDissonance: Uh, yeah, some. "Abandon your wife and children" isn't generally considered acceptable even as an allegory these days. Also, Ignorance's fate can come off as unnecessarily harsh and arbitrary. ("Look, sorry, you really need to go back and follow the proper path. You've done nothing wrong, so we'll hold a spot for you.")")
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19th Apr '15 11:26:08 AM Trigger-of-Sorrow
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: ''The Pilgrim's Progress'' would most likely be a painful read for most readers today - including Christians - who aren't able or willing to look past the ValuesDissonance, unsubtlety and general preachiness of the book. The language doesn't help either, although there are editions with more modern writing.
27th Mar '15 11:29:28 AM DracMonster
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* DesignatedEvil: One of the characters Christian comes across is Ignorance; a pleasant, friendly young man who tries to get into the Celestial City by doing good works and living his life according to Jesus' example, rather than simply through faith. He gets thrown into Hell for his arrogance.

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* DesignatedEvil: DesignatedEvil:
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One of the characters Christian comes across is Ignorance; a pleasant, friendly young man who tries to get into the Celestial City by doing good works and living his life according to Jesus' example, rather than simply through faith. He gets thrown into Hell for his arrogance.
2nd Jun '14 12:35:42 AM Tuckerscreator
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* MisaimedFandom: Of a more InsultBackfire type of way. Muckraker in the book is a character who is so obsessed with cleaning up mud on the ground that he fails to notice a golden crown above him. Journalists in the early 20th century who investigated big corporations were dubbed "muckrakers" as an insult, but it eventually turned into a positive term thanks to UsefulNotes/TheodoreRoosevelt's speech "[[http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/teddyrooseveltmuckrake.htm The Man With the Muck-Rake]]", which notes the irony of the nickname.
2nd Jun '14 12:25:49 AM Fireblood
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* {{Anvilicious}} - Very much so, and actually the reason it became popular: it was so [[{{Anvilicious}} anviliciously]] religious that the [[MoralGuardians Puritans]] considered it as suitable for reading on Sundays as the Bible itself.
* [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome Crowning Moment Of Awesome]] - "So he passed over, and all the trumpets sounded for him on the other side."

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* {{Anvilicious}} - {{Anvilicious}}: Very much so, and actually the reason it became popular: it was so [[{{Anvilicious}} anviliciously]] religious that the [[MoralGuardians Puritans]] considered it as suitable for reading on Sundays as the Bible itself.
* [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome Crowning Moment Of Awesome]] - Awesome]]: "So he passed over, and all the trumpets sounded for him on the other side."



* ValuesDissonance - Uh, yeah, some. "Abandon your wife and children" isn't generally considered acceptable even as an allegory these days. Also, Ignorance's fate can come off as unnecessarily harsh and arbitrary. ("Look, sorry, you really need to go back and follow the proper path. You've done nothing wrong, so we'll hold a spot for you.")

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* ValuesDissonance - ValuesDissonance: Uh, yeah, some. "Abandon your wife and children" isn't generally considered acceptable even as an allegory these days. Also, Ignorance's fate can come off as unnecessarily harsh and arbitrary. ("Look, sorry, you really need to go back and follow the proper path. You've done nothing wrong, so we'll hold a spot for you.")
15th Sep '13 7:33:44 PM JIKTV
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome - "So he passed over, and all the trumpets sounded for him on the other side."

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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome Crowning Moment Of Awesome]] - "So he passed over, and all the trumpets sounded for him on the other side."



** One of the "evil" characters is named Talkative. ''Talkative''. After all the other NamesToRunFromReallyFast, his seems enormously anticlimactic.

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** One of the "evil" characters is named Talkative. ''Talkative''. After all the other NamesToRunFromReallyFast, NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast, his seems enormously anticlimactic.
4th Sep '13 7:47:24 PM Tuckerscreator
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** One of the "evil" characters is named Talkative. ''Talkative''. After all the other NamesToRunFromReallyFast, his seems enormously anticlimactic.
25th Jul '13 7:32:10 PM DracMonster
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* DesignatedEvil: One of the characters Christian comes across is Ignorance; a pleasant, friendly young man who tries to get into the Celestial City by doing good works and living his life according to Jesus' example, rather than simply through faith. He gets thrown into Hell for his arrogance.
25th Jul '13 7:30:23 PM DracMonster
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* ValuesDissonance - Uh, yeah, some. "Abandon your wife and children" isn't generally considered acceptable even as an allegory these days. Also, Ignorance's fate can come off as unnecessarily harsh and arbitrary. ("Look, sorry, you really need to go back and follow the proper path. You've done nothing wrong, so we'll hold a spot for you.")
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