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** Speaking of the bow, one would wonder why it was left home - likely because the Achaeans expected the expedition to Troy to be solved with Priam taking a good look at just how many ships had arrived and turn over Paris (who had also broken SacredHospitality), Helen, and the stolen treasure, so Odysseus didn't bother - and when that didn't happen he had to make do with something found there. Luckily, it was easier to find recurve bows there.
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** Nowadays, Odysessus and Telemaches executing the handmaidens who slept with the suitors (who likely wouldn't have had a choice in the matter) and the goatherd who allied himself with them seems rather... unnecessary, and are cut from most retellings. The ones that do leave it in (like the TV miniseries) usually cut it down to a single handmaiden who is unintentionally killed in the crossfire [[LaserGuidedKarma trying to aid the suitors]].

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** Nowadays, Odysessus Odysseus and Telemaches executing the handmaidens who slept with the suitors (who likely wouldn't have had a choice in the matter) and the goatherd who allied himself with them seems rather... unnecessary, and are cut from most retellings. The ones that do leave it in (like the TV miniseries) usually cut it down to a single handmaiden who is unintentionally killed in the crossfire [[LaserGuidedKarma trying to aid the suitors]]. This is a major focus of Creator/MargaretAtwood's ''The Penelopiad'', which naturally depicts Odysseus' actions in a negative light.
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* AmericansHateTingle: Odysseus was a national hero to many Hellenic states, where he was praised for his cunning, intelligence, and guile. The Romans, who called him Ulysses, despised him as a villainous, dishonest, deceitful falsifier. Vergil constantly refers to him as "Cruel Ulysses" in ''Literature/TheAeneid''; his character did not lend itself well to the Romans, who has a rigid sense of honour and respected the Trojans for their gallant and determined defence. Indeed, the Romans championed the Trojan prince Aeneas as the ancestor of Romulus and Remus.

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* AmericansHateTingle: Probably the oldest example of this trope ever. Odysseus was a national hero to many Hellenic states, where he was praised for his cunning, intelligence, and guile. The Romans, who called him Ulysses, despised him as a villainous, dishonest, deceitful falsifier. Vergil constantly refers to him as "Cruel Ulysses" in ''Literature/TheAeneid''; his character did not lend itself well to the Romans, who has a rigid sense of honour and respected the Trojans for their gallant and determined defence. Indeed, the Romans championed the Trojan prince Aeneas as the ancestor of Romulus and Remus.
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* TearJerker: The whole story of Odysseus' dog, Argos. Don't know the story? Well, Argos was his dog, who he trained when he was a pup. Then Odysseus had to leave for 20 years, going to Troy, trying to get back, etc. During his leave, the dog, since his master wasn't there anymore, was neglected by the household servants and made to live outside, staying on a pile of dung to keep warm, getting too old and sick to move anywhere else anyway. Odysseus eventually gets home, disguised as a beggar by Athena, and walks by his dog. He immediately recognizes Argos from across the yard, and Argos likewise instantly senses that the person is his master and wags his tail, but is otherwise too old to move. Since Odysseus is pretending not to be himself, he can't get closer, touch or even show that he recognizes his dog in turn, so he walks away, but he can't help but shed a tear. And the worst part? ''Argos dies of old age right after Odysseus walks away, having just managed to last long enough to see his master once again.'' You can't say that you didn't get a bit teary-eyed yourself when you read about that. [[ThePowerOfLove Argos is a very special dog.]] To make it even worse, one comic book adaptation had Athena carrying the dog's spirit away to the afterlife with a sweet, motherly smile on her face.

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* TearJerker: The whole story of Odysseus' dog, Argos. Don't know the story? Well, Argos was his dog, who he trained when he was a pup. Then Odysseus had to leave for 20 years, going to Troy, trying to get back, etc. During his leave, the dog, since his master wasn't there anymore, was neglected by the household servants and made to live outside, staying on a pile of dung to keep warm, getting too old and sick to move anywhere else anyway. Odysseus eventually gets home, disguised as a beggar by Athena, and walks by his dog. He immediately recognizes Argos from across the yard, and Argos likewise instantly senses that the person is his master and wags his tail, but is otherwise too old to move. Since Odysseus is pretending not to be himself, he can't get closer, touch or even show that he recognizes his dog in turn, so he walks away, but he can't help but shed a tear. And the worst part? ''Argos dies of old age right after Odysseus walks away, having just managed to last live long enough to see his master once again.'' You can't say that you didn't get a bit teary-eyed yourself when you read about that. [[ThePowerOfLove Argos is a very special dog.]] To make it even worse, one comic book adaptation had Athena carrying the dog's spirit away to the afterlife with a sweet, motherly smile on her face.
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* TearJerker: The whole story of Odysseus' dog, Argos. Don't know the story? Well, Argos was his dog, who he trained when he was a pup. Then Odysseus had to leave for 20 years, going to Troy, trying to get back, etc. During his leave, the dog, since his master wasn't there anymore, was neglected by the household servants and made to live outside, staying on a pile of dung to keep warm, getting too old and sick to move anywhere else anyway. Odysseus eventually gets home, disguised as a beggar by Athena, and walks by his dog. He immediately recognizes Argos from across the shed, and Argos likewise instantly senses that the person is his master and wags his tail, but is otherwise too old to move. Since Odysseus is pretending not to be himself, he can't get closer, touch or even show that he recognizes his dog, so he walks away, but he can't help but shed a tear. And the worst part? ''Argos dies of old age right after Odysseus walks away, having just managed to last long enough to see his master once again.'' You can't say that you didn't get a bit teary-eyed yourself when you read about that. [[ThePowerOfLove Argos is a very special dog.]] To make it even worse, one comic book adaptation had Athena carrying the dog's spirit away to the afterlife with a sweet, motherly smile on her face.

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* TearJerker: The whole story of Odysseus' dog, Argos. Don't know the story? Well, Argos was his dog, who he trained when he was a pup. Then Odysseus had to leave for 20 years, going to Troy, trying to get back, etc. During his leave, the dog, since his master wasn't there anymore, was neglected by the household servants and made to live outside, staying on a pile of dung to keep warm, getting too old and sick to move anywhere else anyway. Odysseus eventually gets home, disguised as a beggar by Athena, and walks by his dog. He immediately recognizes Argos from across the shed, yard, and Argos likewise instantly senses that the person is his master and wags his tail, but is otherwise too old to move. Since Odysseus is pretending not to be himself, he can't get closer, touch or even show that he recognizes his dog, dog in turn, so he walks away, but he can't help but shed a tear. And the worst part? ''Argos dies of old age right after Odysseus walks away, having just managed to last long enough to see his master once again.'' You can't say that you didn't get a bit teary-eyed yourself when you read about that. [[ThePowerOfLove Argos is a very special dog.]] To make it even worse, one comic book adaptation had Athena carrying the dog's spirit away to the afterlife with a sweet, motherly smile on her face.
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* TearJerker: The whole story of Odysseus' dog, Argos. Don't know the story? Well, Argos was his dog, who he trained when he was a pup. Then Odysseus had to leave for 20 years, going to Troy, trying to get back, etc. During his leave, the dog, since his master wasn't there anymore, had to live outside, staying on a pile of dung to keep warm, getting too old and sick to move anywhere else anyway. Odysseus eventually gets home and walks past his dog (disguised as a beggar by Athena). Argos senses that the person is his master and proceeds to ''die by the happiness and shock of seeing his master again''. And the worst part? Since Odysseus is pretending not to be himself, he can't even grieve for his now-dead dog. You can't say that you didn't get a bit teary eyed when you read about that. [[ThePowerOfLove Argos is a very special dog.]] To make it even worse, one comic book adaptation had Athena carrying the dog's spirit away to the afterlife with a sweet, motherly smile on her face.

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* TearJerker: The whole story of Odysseus' dog, Argos. Don't know the story? Well, Argos was his dog, who he trained when he was a pup. Then Odysseus had to leave for 20 years, going to Troy, trying to get back, etc. During his leave, the dog, since his master wasn't there anymore, had was neglected by the household servants and made to live outside, staying on a pile of dung to keep warm, getting too old and sick to move anywhere else anyway. Odysseus eventually gets home and walks past his dog (disguised home, disguised as a beggar by Athena). Athena, and walks by his dog. He immediately recognizes Argos from across the shed, and Argos likewise instantly senses that the person is his master and proceeds to ''die by the happiness and shock of seeing wags his master again''. And the worst part? tail, but is otherwise too old to move. Since Odysseus is pretending not to be himself, he can't get closer, touch or even grieve for show that he recognizes his now-dead dog. dog, so he walks away, but he can't help but shed a tear. And the worst part? ''Argos dies of old age right after Odysseus walks away, having just managed to last long enough to see his master once again.'' You can't say that you didn't get a bit teary eyed teary-eyed yourself when you read about that. [[ThePowerOfLove Argos is a very special dog.]] To make it even worse, one comic book adaptation had Athena carrying the dog's spirit away to the afterlife with a sweet, motherly smile on her face.
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* WhatAnIdiot: Odysseus is wise enough to listen to the advice he's given. His companions, on the other hand, never learn to take his direst warnings seriously... which is pretty much the reason why Odysseus comes home alone.
** Odysseus also suffers from this in places. Like when he and his men have successfully escaped the Cyclops, he turns around and starts insulting him. Fair enough, except he also told the Cyclops his name, his father's name, and where he lives. Even if his giving his name could be excused by it being an homonym with the ancient Greek word for nobody giving the names of his father and kingdom is like slapping a gangster in the face and then giving him your wallet.
** Also, Aeolus' bag of winds. If keeping it closed was so important that he didn't dare go to sleep while guarding it, why did he even need to bring it with him at all? Letting Aeolus hang onto the bag, opening it only after news of Odysseus' safe return reached him, would've saved Odysseus years of travel later and a whole lot of sleeplessness right away. Except WHEN Aeolus got the news may have been an issue...
** And Elpenor. Most of Odysseus' men who die do so for generally sound reasons (devoured by monsters, killed in a divine storm, etc). How does Elpenor die? He goes to bed on the roof drunk, wakes up with a hangover, and proceeds to forget he's on the roof, so he falls off it and breaks his neck. [[FlatWhat What.]]
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The war was started by Paris abducting Helen. There is no way it was started by the Achaeans.


** What's the very first thing Odysseus does on his way home? He and his men make a halt on a foreign coast, where they attack and plunder a town, killing the men and taking the women as slaves. It's described as a completely normal thing for them to do. Although the Cicones were allies of the Trojans, so technically, Odysseus is at war with them. Of course still a war that HIS side started.

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** What's the very first thing Odysseus does on his way home? He and his men make a halt on a foreign coast, where they attack and plunder a town, killing the men and taking the women as slaves. It's described as a completely normal thing for them to do. Although the Cicones were allies of the Trojans, so technically, Odysseus is at war with them. Of course still a war that HIS side started.
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** Hell, practically everything that Odysseus runs into over the course of his journey is pretty frightening; probably the only exceptions are the Lotus-eaters, (they just want to hang around stoned all day, they're harmless except for tempting the Ithacans from getting home) the bag of winds given by Aeolus, (a huge setback but not otherwise dangerous) and Calypso (who is also just a diversion). Polyphemus plans to eat the entire crew and really ''does'' devour a few of them before they can escape. While Circe becomes one of Odysseus' allies, she starts off transforming his crew into pigs, also with the intent of eating them, and at least one adaptation has it that the starving crew don't believe the pig they caught is one of their friends and are about to slaughter him for dinner when he changes back just in time. And then there's incurring the wrath of at least two different gods over the course of it, not the kind of people who want to get on the bad side of under ''any'' circumstances.
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* IdiotPlot: But it seems that a good deal of Odysseus' problems either come from his own stupidity or, at the very least, his crew's. But he's already been stated to be a master tactician, and he worships frickin' Athena, patron goddess of [[TheSmartGuy Smart Guys]]. It's like every time they land on an island, Odysseus gets pegged in the face with the IdiotBall. There is a reason behind this. The Greeks strongly believed in a concept called ὕβρις, which is often rendered today as "hubris" and can be translated to modern days "{{Pride}}" or "Acting as a human shouldn't". Another thing that hubris carries along is punishment (if you are guilty of hubris, you are going to be punished somehow). All of Odysseus' mistakes are made out of hubris. For a better description of what hubris means, see Website/TheOtherWiki's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris explanation]]. And after all, Odysseus' name is the Ancient Greek word for "[[MeaningfulName trouble]]."
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* IdiotPlot: But it seems that a good deal of Odysseus' problems either come from his own stupidity or, at the very least, his crew's. But he's already been stated to be a master tactician, and he worships frickin' Athena, patron goddess of [[TheSmartGuy Smart Guys]]. It's like every time they land on an island, Odysseus gets pegged in the face with the IdiotBall. There is a reason behind this. The Greeks strongly believed in a concept called ὕβρις, which is often rendered today as "hubris" and can be translated to modern days "{{Pride}}" or "Acting as a human shouldn't". Another thing that hubris carries along is punishment (if you are guilty of hubris, you are going to be punished somehow). All of Odysseus' mistakes are made out of hubris. For a better description of what hubris means, see Wiki/TheOtherWiki's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris explanation]]. And after all, Odysseus' name is the Ancient Greek word for "[[MeaningfulName trouble]]."

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* IdiotPlot: But it seems that a good deal of Odysseus' problems either come from his own stupidity or, at the very least, his crew's. But he's already been stated to be a master tactician, and he worships frickin' Athena, patron goddess of [[TheSmartGuy Smart Guys]]. It's like every time they land on an island, Odysseus gets pegged in the face with the IdiotBall. There is a reason behind this. The Greeks strongly believed in a concept called ὕβρις, which is often rendered today as "hubris" and can be translated to modern days "{{Pride}}" or "Acting as a human shouldn't". Another thing that hubris carries along is punishment (if you are guilty of hubris, you are going to be punished somehow). All of Odysseus' mistakes are made out of hubris. For a better description of what hubris means, see Wiki/TheOtherWiki's Website/TheOtherWiki's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris explanation]]. And after all, Odysseus' name is the Ancient Greek word for "[[MeaningfulName trouble]]."

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** Odysseus sleeping with several women and thus cheating on his wife during his journey home while Penelope remains steadfastly faithful would be considered to be rather jerkass behavior of Odysseus, but in Ancient Greece, this behavior was rather normal. Although some of Odysseus's... "adventures" [[QuestionableConsent can hardly be considered consensual in the first place]].



** The story makes a point of averting DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale by acknowledging that Odysseus is [[SexSlave held against his will]] by Circe and Calypso and clearly condemming them for their actions.

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** The story makes a point of averting DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale by acknowledging that Odysseus is [[SexSlave held against his will]] by Circe and Calypso and clearly condemming condemning them for their actions.
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** As detailed below, Odysseus' famous bow is actually a recurve bow, that has to be strung in a completely different way from a straight bow, looks like one when unstrung, and was a new technological development in the time of the ''Odyssey''. All of this explains why the suitors couldn't string it: they had no idea what they were dealing with.
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** Odysseus also suffers from this in places. Like when he and his men have successfully escaped the Cyclops, he turns around and starts insulting him. Fair enough, except he also told the Cyclops his name, his father's name, and where he lives. Even if his giving his name could be excused vy it being an homonim with the ancient greek word for nobody giving the names of his father and kingdom is like slapping a gangster in the face and then giving him your wallet.

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** Odysseus also suffers from this in places. Like when he and his men have successfully escaped the Cyclops, he turns around and starts insulting him. Fair enough, except he also told the Cyclops his name, his father's name, and where he lives. Even if his giving his name could be excused vy by it being an homonim homonym with the ancient greek Greek word for nobody giving the names of his father and kingdom is like slapping a gangster in the face and then giving him your wallet.
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** And Elpenor. Most of Odysseus' men who die do so for generally sound reasons (devoured by monsters, killed in a divine storm, etc). How does Elpenor die? He goes to bed on the roof drunk, wakes up with a hangover, and proceeds to forget he's on the roof, so [[StuffedIntoTheFridge he falls off it and breaks his neck]]. [[FlatWhat What.]]

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** And Elpenor. Most of Odysseus' men who die do so for generally sound reasons (devoured by monsters, killed in a divine storm, etc). How does Elpenor die? He goes to bed on the roof drunk, wakes up with a hangover, and proceeds to forget he's on the roof, so [[StuffedIntoTheFridge he falls off it and breaks his neck]].neck. [[FlatWhat What.]]
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*** The Romans also for quite a while disdained the idea of using trickery in war, considering it cowardly. This also colored their perception. Even when this attitude toward war started shifting, the Roman notion that Odysseus/Ulysses was a cowardly trickster was so deeply ingrained that never went away.
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** Odysseus also suffers from this in places. Like when he and his men have successfully escaped the Cyclops, he turns around and starts insulting him. Fair enough, except he also told the Cyclops his name, his father's name, and where he lives. This is a bit like slapping a gangster in the face and then giving him your wallet.

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** Odysseus also suffers from this in places. Like when he and his men have successfully escaped the Cyclops, he turns around and starts insulting him. Fair enough, except he also told the Cyclops his name, his father's name, and where he lives. This Even if his giving his name could be excused vy it being an homonim with the ancient greek word for nobody giving the names of his father and kingdom is a bit like slapping a gangster in the face and then giving him your wallet.
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** Creator/ChristopherLee as Tiresias in the miniseries.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Series regular Macro is played by a young Creator/RyanReynolds, while young Devon Sawa and Creator/JewelStaite have recurring roles as Ludo and Lobelia, respectively.

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Series regular Macro is played by a young Creator/RyanReynolds, while young Devon Sawa Creator/DevonSawa and Creator/JewelStaite have recurring roles as Ludo and Lobelia, respectively.
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* GeniusBonus: When Odysseus strings his bow, the narration describes the procedure of stringing a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurve_bow recurve bow]], a type of bow that is effectively impossible to string unless you have both great strength and knowledge of said procedure (and may even break your arm if you're not strong or skillful enough), ''and'' was a new technological development in the time of the ''Odyssey''.

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* GeniusBonus: When Odysseus strings his bow, the narration describes the procedure of stringing a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurve_bow recurve bow]], a type of bow that is effectively impossible very difficult to string unless you have both great strength and knowledge of said procedure (and may even break your arm if you're not strong or skillful enough), ''and'' was a new technological development in the time of the ''Odyssey''.
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** Odysseus meeting his old friends and allies in Hades (especially when Ajax still refuses to speak with him even when Odysseus pleads with him to let bygones be bygones). In other news, Achilles is still a whiner.

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** Odysseus meeting his old friends and allies in Hades (especially when Ajax still refuses to speak with him even when Odysseus pleads with him to let bygones be bygones). In other news, Achilles is still a whiner.whiner (though on the upside, he's [[TogetherInDeath reunited with his beloved Patroclus]]).
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* AmericansHateTingle: Odysseus was a national hero to many hellenic states, where he was praised for his cunning, intelligence, and guile. The Romans, who called him Ulysses, despised him as a villainous, dishonest, deceitful falsifier. Vergil constantly refers to him as "Cruel Ulysses" in ''Literature/TheAeneid''; his character did not lend itself well to the Romans, who has a rigid sense of honour and respected the Trojans for their gallant and determined defence. Indeed, the Romans championed the Trojan prince Aeneas as the ancestor of Romulus and Remus.

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* AmericansHateTingle: Odysseus was a national hero to many hellenic Hellenic states, where he was praised for his cunning, intelligence, and guile. The Romans, who called him Ulysses, despised him as a villainous, dishonest, deceitful falsifier. Vergil constantly refers to him as "Cruel Ulysses" in ''Literature/TheAeneid''; his character did not lend itself well to the Romans, who has a rigid sense of honour and respected the Trojans for their gallant and determined defence. Indeed, the Romans championed the Trojan prince Aeneas as the ancestor of Romulus and Remus.
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* AmericansHateTingle: Odysseus was a national hero to many hellenic states, where he was praised for his cunning, intelligence, and guile. The Romans, who called him Ulysses, despised him as a villainous, dishonest, deceitful falsifier. Vergil constantly refers to him as "Cruel Ulysses" in ''The Aeneid''; his character did not lend itself well to the Romans, who has a rigid sense of honour and respected the Trojans for their gallant and determined defence. Indeed, the Romans championed the Trojan prince Aeneas as the ancestor of Romulus and Remus.

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* AmericansHateTingle: Odysseus was a national hero to many hellenic states, where he was praised for his cunning, intelligence, and guile. The Romans, who called him Ulysses, despised him as a villainous, dishonest, deceitful falsifier. Vergil constantly refers to him as "Cruel Ulysses" in ''The Aeneid''; ''Literature/TheAeneid''; his character did not lend itself well to the Romans, who has a rigid sense of honour and respected the Trojans for their gallant and determined defence. Indeed, the Romans championed the Trojan prince Aeneas as the ancestor of Romulus and Remus.
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** Also, nowadays, the killing of the handmaidens who slept with the suitors (who likely wouldn't have had a choice in the matter) and the goatherd who allied himself with them seems rather... unnecessary, and are cut from most retellings. The ones that do leave it in (like the TV miniseries) usually cut it down to a single handmaiden who is unintentionally killed in the crossfire [[LaserGuidedKarma trying to aid the suitors]].

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** Also, nowadays, the killing of Nowadays, Odysessus and Telemaches executing the handmaidens who slept with the suitors (who likely wouldn't have had a choice in the matter) and the goatherd who allied himself with them seems rather... unnecessary, and are cut from most retellings. The ones that do leave it in (like the TV miniseries) usually cut it down to a single handmaiden who is unintentionally killed in the crossfire [[LaserGuidedKarma trying to aid the suitors]].
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** Odysseus bursts into tears while listening to a song about how he caused the fall of Troy. An extended simile ensues comparing him to a woman crying over her slain husband as she's dragged off into slavery by the victors, which comes off as whopping MoralMyopia given that he's been the slaving victor in this scenario.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Calypso is sometimes lauded for her rant about the DoubleStandard of how goddesses aren't allowed to keep mortal lovers like gods are. Her mortal "lover" is being kept against his will and sits on the beach crying every day. In a sense she's arguing that goddesses [[DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal should be allowed to rape people like gods do]].

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* HoYay: Eurylochus to Odysseus: "You're a hard man, Odysseus. Your fighting spirit's stronger than ours; your stamina never fails. You must be made of iron head to foot." Also, Telemachus and everyone.

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Eurylochus to Odysseus: "You're a hard man, Odysseus. Your fighting spirit's stronger than ours; your stamina never fails. You must be made of iron head to foot." "
** Menelaus talks about evicting everyone from one of his towns and transplanting the entire population of Ithaca there, all so Odysseus could live close by. "Nothing would have divided us in love and joy, till death's dark cloud surrounded us."
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** While dining with the suitors, Odysseus, still in disguise, recognizes Amphinomos as a relatively decent one, and tries in a circumspect way to warn him about Odysseus' return and to leave before things get bloody. But Amphinomos is, in every sense of the word, doomed.
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Pretty much everyone who is a fan of the book doesn't know the sequel ''The Telegony'' or ignore its existence for its BrokenAesop and HappyEndingOverride regarding Odysseus's fate and characterization.

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* FanonDiscontinuity: Pretty much everyone who is a fan of the book doesn't know the sequel ''The Telegony'' or ignore ignores its existence for its BrokenAesop and HappyEndingOverride regarding Odysseus's fate and characterization.

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