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Then comes her trip to Africa in season 2... [[spoiler: For context: Yes, Maggie does dodge bullets; the people around her, not so much]].
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** Then comes her trip to Africa in season 2... [[spoiler: For context: Yes, Maggie does dodge bullets; the people around her, not so much]].
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* {{Narm}}: In one episode of season 1, a bunch of staffers on the show, led by Don, are on a plane. They know that Osama bin Laden has been killed, but it hasn’t been announced yet when other passengers on the plane start getting text messages and emails about the president making a televised speech to the nation. Don stands up in the middle of the plane to make the big announcement. A flight attendant tells him to sit down, and Don says that she’s just being hysterical. Then the captain comes out, and then Don calls him “Sir” and the flight attendant “crazy lady,” and says that the Army killed Osama bin Laden “for you.” Then the pilots shake hands. Then Don turns to his fellow News People and says: “We reported the news.” The scene is supposed to be dramatic, but the bizarre directing, acting and the sexism of the script makes the scene comical or uncomfortable to watch. In 2019, with the 18th anniversary of 9/11, this scene has been making the rounds on social media again, with many detractors of the TV series using it as the prime example of its irregularity.
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* {{Narm}}: In {{Narm}}:
**In one episode of season 1, a bunch of staffers on the show, led by Don, are on a plane. They know that Osama bin Laden has been killed, but it hasn’t been announced yet when other passengers on the plane start getting text messages and emails about the president making a televised speech to the nation. Don stands up in the middle of the plane to make the big announcement. A flight attendant tells him to sit down, and Don says that she’s just being hysterical. Then the captain comes out, and then Don calls him “Sir” and the flight attendant “crazy lady,” and says that the Army killed Osama bin Laden “for you.” Then the pilots shake hands. Then Don turns to his fellow News People and says: “We reported the news.” The scene is supposed to be dramatic, but the bizarre directing, acting and the sexism of the script makes the scene comical or uncomfortable to watch. In 2019, with the 18th anniversary of 9/11, this scene has been making the rounds on social media again, with many detractors of the TV series using it as the prime example of itsirregularity.irregularity.
**In "The Blackout Part II: Mock Debate," the scene of Will walking out of the smoke at night towards Lisa's vandalized place of work. The scene is meant to be dramatic but is so over the top at painting Will as a MessianicArchetype that it'll prompt a giggle instead.
**In one episode of season 1, a bunch of staffers on the show, led by Don, are on a plane. They know that Osama bin Laden has been killed, but it hasn’t been announced yet when other passengers on the plane start getting text messages and emails about the president making a televised speech to the nation. Don stands up in the middle of the plane to make the big announcement. A flight attendant tells him to sit down, and Don says that she’s just being hysterical. Then the captain comes out, and then Don calls him “Sir” and the flight attendant “crazy lady,” and says that the Army killed Osama bin Laden “for you.” Then the pilots shake hands. Then Don turns to his fellow News People and says: “We reported the news.” The scene is supposed to be dramatic, but the bizarre directing, acting and the sexism of the script makes the scene comical or uncomfortable to watch. In 2019, with the 18th anniversary of 9/11, this scene has been making the rounds on social media again, with many detractors of the TV series using it as the prime example of its
**In "The Blackout Part II: Mock Debate," the scene of Will walking out of the smoke at night towards Lisa's vandalized place of work. The scene is meant to be dramatic but is so over the top at painting Will as a MessianicArchetype that it'll prompt a giggle instead.
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* UnfortunateImplications:
** There's been [[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maureen-ryan/the-newsroom-women-aaron-sorkin-hbo_b_1641982.html quite]] [[http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/15396/who_are_you_calling_sexist a]] [[http://www.indiewire.com/article/television/aaron-sorkins-female-trouble-the-women-of-the-newsroom?page=1#articleHeaderPanel lot]] [[http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2012/07/03/why_aaron_sorkin_s_woman_problem_makes_the_newsroom_so_boring_.html of]] [[http://www.vulture.com/2012/07/newsroom-aaron-sorkin-women-hostile-misogyny.html?mid=twitter_vulture criticism]] of the show's portrayal of women. Amongst the reasons stated are Mac and Maggie's incompetence, and the show's handling of issues like sexism - e.g. Hallie's boss is randomly sexist and abusive so Jim can save her ass, against her wishes, and later be rewarded with a romance. However, not everyone agrees with this; [[http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/olivia-munn-says-the-newsroom-has-no-woman-problem-20130717 Olivia Munn explained her views on the issue]].
** Some people have criticized the college rape subplot in "Oh Shenandoah" saying it sends the message lecture on why rape victims should just suck it up and not seek justice at all. See review [[http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/newsroom-oh-shenandoah-212709 here]]. Whereas others (including many people in the comments section of the A.V. Club reviews) have argued that the intended message is that victims should not potentially expose themselves to more danger by going on a tabloid show or creating a website that has a lot of potential for abuse to ruin people's lives (of both the accused and accusers).
* WhatAnIdiot:
** [[spoiler:Jerry risks his entire career to get a news story aired by altering interview footage of a powerful Marine general. Even though he did a very good job of altering it, he must have known that the footage would be scrutinized heavily by ''someone'' after the general inevitably protests]].
** Hallie makes an offensive tweet from the official ACN twitter account against the Republican party in regards to a major tragedy. She then leaves it up for twenty minutes before realizing that she should delete it. Naturally she loses her job once the story goes viral.
** There's been [[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maureen-ryan/the-newsroom-women-aaron-sorkin-hbo_b_1641982.html quite]] [[http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/15396/who_are_you_calling_sexist a]] [[http://www.indiewire.com/article/television/aaron-sorkins-female-trouble-the-women-of-the-newsroom?page=1#articleHeaderPanel lot]] [[http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2012/07/03/why_aaron_sorkin_s_woman_problem_makes_the_newsroom_so_boring_.html of]] [[http://www.vulture.com/2012/07/newsroom-aaron-sorkin-women-hostile-misogyny.html?mid=twitter_vulture criticism]] of the show's portrayal of women. Amongst the reasons stated are Mac and Maggie's incompetence, and the show's handling of issues like sexism - e.g. Hallie's boss is randomly sexist and abusive so Jim can save her ass, against her wishes, and later be rewarded with a romance. However, not everyone agrees with this; [[http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/olivia-munn-says-the-newsroom-has-no-woman-problem-20130717 Olivia Munn explained her views on the issue]].
** Some people have criticized the college rape subplot in "Oh Shenandoah" saying it sends the message lecture on why rape victims should just suck it up and not seek justice at all. See review [[http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/newsroom-oh-shenandoah-212709 here]]. Whereas others (including many people in the comments section of the A.V. Club reviews) have argued that the intended message is that victims should not potentially expose themselves to more danger by going on a tabloid show or creating a website that has a lot of potential for abuse to ruin people's lives (of both the accused and accusers).
* WhatAnIdiot:
** [[spoiler:Jerry risks his entire career to get a news story aired by altering interview footage of a powerful Marine general. Even though he did a very good job of altering it, he must have known that the footage would be scrutinized heavily by ''someone'' after the general inevitably protests]].
** Hallie makes an offensive tweet from the official ACN twitter account against the Republican party in regards to a major tragedy. She then leaves it up for twenty minutes before realizing that she should delete it. Naturally she loses her job once the story goes viral.
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** There's been [[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maureen-ryan/the-newsroom-women-aaron-sorkin-hbo_b_1641982.html quite]] [[http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/15396/who_are_you_calling_sexist a]] [[http://www.indiewire.com/article/television/aaron-sorkins-female-trouble-the-women-of-the-newsroom?page=1#articleHeaderPanel lot]] [[http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2012/07/03/why_aaron_sorkin_s_woman_problem_makes_the_newsroom_so_boring_.html of]] [[http://www.vulture.com/2012/07/newsroom-aaron-sorkin-women-hostile-misogyny.html?mid=twitter_vulture criticism]] of the show's portrayal of women. Amongst the reasons stated are Mac and Maggie's incompetence, and the show's handling of issues like sexism - e.g. Hallie's boss is randomly sexist and abusive so Jim can save her ass, against her wishes, and later be rewarded with a romance. However, not everyone agrees with this; [[http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/olivia-munn-says-the-newsroom-has-no-woman-problem-20130717 Olivia Munn explained her views on the issue]].
** Some people have criticized the college rape subplot in "Oh Shenandoah" saying it sends the message lecture on why rape victims should just suck it up and not seek justice at all. See review [[http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/newsroom-oh-shenandoah-212709 here]]. Whereas others (including many people in the comments section of the A.V. Club reviews) have argued that the intended message is that victims should not potentially expose themselves to more danger by going on a tabloid show or creating a website that has a lot of potential for abuse to ruin people's lives (of both the accused and accusers).
* WhatAnIdiot:
** [[spoiler:Jerry risks his entire career to get a news story aired by altering interview footage of a powerful Marine general. Even though he did a very good job of altering it, he must have known that the footage would be scrutinized heavily by ''someone'' after the general inevitably protests]].
** Hallie makes an offensive tweet from the official ACN twitter account against the Republican party in regards to a major tragedy. She then leaves it up for twenty minutes before realizing that she should delete it. Naturally she loses her job once the story goes viral.
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-->'''Jim''': How do you still work here?
-->'''Maggie:''' ...I dodge bullets. Here comes a bullet- *boom* I'm over here! Here comes another- *boom* Over here!
*** Then comes her trip to Africa in season 2... [[spoiler: For context: Yes, Maggie does dodge bullets; the people around her, not so much]].
-->'''Maggie:''' ...I dodge bullets. Here comes a bullet- *boom* I'm over here! Here comes another- *boom* Over here!
*** Then comes her trip to Africa in season 2... [[spoiler: For context: Yes, Maggie does dodge bullets; the people around her, not so much]].
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-->'''Jim''': How do you still work here?
-->'''Maggie:''' ...here?\\
'''Maggie:''' ...I dodge bullets. Here comes a bullet- *boom* I'm over here! Here comes another- *boom* Over here!
*** Then comes her trip to Africa in season 2... [[spoiler: For context: Yes, Maggie does dodge bullets; the people around her, not so much]].
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'''Maggie:''' ...I dodge bullets. Here comes a bullet- *boom* I'm over here! Here comes another- *boom* Over here!
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* CharacterShilling: The show will never miss an opportunity to tell you what a "nice guy" Jim Harper is. Some of the most egregious examples include Jim being the one to comfort Kaylee after Bin Laden is killed (instead of, you know, her boyfriend Neal) and Hallie being chewed out by her sexist boss solely to give Jim a white knight moment. By far the worst is how his insistence on being a "nice guy" actively screws up Lisa's life, and by extension, Maggie, Don, and Sloan. Jim actively stringing along a woman he has no interest in is never treated as a character flaw or the cruelty that it really is.
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** Additionally, many critics argue that Sorkin seems to be just lecturing everyone about the "proper role" of the news media without really knowing what he's talking about (apparently, his "ideal" news show involves the host being... a highly opinionated ''commentator''), and belittling the actual work of journalists by having his fictional ones make long, elaborate speeches about what to do and always be right.
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* MagnificentBastard:
** Leona. She uses the tabloids owned by AWM (Atlantis World Media, the owner of Atlantis Cable News) to [[spoiler: slander Will, in the hopes that it will make it seem like AWM firing him would be completely justified, and also activate his non-compete clause.]]. Certainly not infallible, though.
** Charlie, to a lesser extent, on the side of Good.
** A case could be made for [[spoiler: Shep Pressman, Charlie's contact for Operation Genoa, who found out Jerry Dantana was snooping around and used the opportunity to give Charlie purposely falsified munitions inventories in hopes that he would run them and be exposed so it would incriminate ACN. His motivation was to get revenge on Charlie for allowing Shep's son to be fired from ACN, which led to his son's death by drug overdose]].
** Leona. She uses the tabloids owned by AWM (Atlantis World Media, the owner of Atlantis Cable News) to [[spoiler: slander Will, in the hopes that it will make it seem like AWM firing him would be completely justified, and also activate his non-compete clause.]]. Certainly not infallible, though.
** Charlie, to a lesser extent, on the side of Good.
** A case could be made for [[spoiler: Shep Pressman, Charlie's contact for Operation Genoa, who found out Jerry Dantana was snooping around and used the opportunity to give Charlie purposely falsified munitions inventories in hopes that he would run them and be exposed so it would incriminate ACN. His motivation was to get revenge on Charlie for allowing Shep's son to be fired from ACN, which led to his son's death by drug overdose]].
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The show justifies its own anviliciousness in a conversation in which the news people assert that you don't have to be "balanced" when the objective facts support only one side.
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** Jim/Neal is starting to emerge as a favorite ship.
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* GeniusBonus: While arguing with Don about whether she likes puzzles Sloan mentions "they often don't put in enough boxes for the word" to explain why she shouts at the New York Times crossword. In context this works a joke about Sloan getting the answer wrong, but the Times uses the "Rebus" in it's puzzles which is a square that contains multiple letters by design that is controversial among some crossword enthusiasts who view it as making the puzzle unnecessarily complicated
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** Don telling a rape victim that she’s not only wrong to out abusers on campus, but that he’s “morally obligated” to believe people accused of sexual assault, became even worse than it already was after the Me Too movement.
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* ForegoneConclusion: The end of "News Night with Will [=McAvoy=]" was telegraphed quite far in advance. At least for Sorkin fans, Tropers and other longtime TV viewers.
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** Some people have criticized the college rape subplot in "Oh Shenandoah" saying it sends the message lecture on why rape victims should just suck it up and not seek justice at all. See review [[http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/newsroom-oh-shenandoah-212709 here]]. Whereas others (including many people in the comments section of the A.V. Club reviews) have argued that the intended message is that victims should not potentially expose themselves to more danger by going on a tabloid show or creating a website that has a lot of potential for abuse to ruin people's lives (of both the accused and accusers)[[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1870479/board/thread/237837042]].
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** Some people have criticized the college rape subplot in "Oh Shenandoah" saying it sends the message lecture on why rape victims should just suck it up and not seek justice at all. See review [[http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/newsroom-oh-shenandoah-212709 here]]. Whereas others (including many people in the comments section of the A.V. Club reviews) have argued that the intended message is that victims should not potentially expose themselves to more danger by going on a tabloid show or creating a website that has a lot of potential for abuse to ruin people's lives (of both the accused and accusers)[[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1870479/board/thread/237837042]].accusers).
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* RetroactiveRecognition: John Gallagher Jr. actually guest-starred in Creator/AaronSorkin's ''Series/TheWestWing'', albeit he's almost unrecognizable as an awkward, skinny, gawky teenager.
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** Some people have criticized the college rape subplot in "Oh Shenandoah" saying it sends the message lecture on why rape victims should just suck it up and not seek justice at all. See review [[http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/newsroom-oh-shenandoah-212709 here]].
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** Some people have criticized the college rape subplot in "Oh Shenandoah" saying it sends the message lecture on why rape victims should just suck it up and not seek justice at all. See review [[http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/newsroom-oh-shenandoah-212709 here]]. Whereas others (including many people in the comments section of the A.V. Club reviews) have argued that the intended message is that victims should not potentially expose themselves to more danger by going on a tabloid show or creating a website that has a lot of potential for abuse to ruin people's lives (of both the accused and accusers)[[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1870479/board/thread/237837042]].
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** Some people have criticized the college rape subplot in "Oh Shenandoah" saying it sends the message lecture on why rape victims should just suck it up and not seek justice at all. See review [[http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/newsroom-oh-shenandoah-212709 here]]. Whereas others (including many people in the comments section of the A.V. Club reviews) have argued that the intended message is that victims should not potentially expose themselves to more danger by going on a tabloid show or creating a website that has a lot of potential for abuse to ruin people's lives (of both the accused and accusers)[[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1870479/board/thread/237837042]]
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** Some people have criticized the college rape subplot in "Oh Shenandoah" saying it sends the message lecture on why rape victims should just suck it up and not seek justice at all. See review [[http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/newsroom-oh-shenandoah-212709 here]]. Whereas others (including many people in the comments section of the A.V. Club reviews) have argued that the intended message is that victims should not potentially expose themselves to more danger by going on a tabloid show or creating a website that has a lot of potential for abuse to ruin people's lives (of both the accused and accusers)[[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1870479/board/thread/237837042]]
