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* FandomSpecificPlot: Giving Tip gender dysphoria before the transformation into Ozma. See ''Webcomic/YellowBrickRamble'', for example.

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* FandomSpecificPlot: Giving Tip gender dysphoria [[spoiler:gender dysphoria]] before the [[spoiler:the transformation into Ozma.Ozma]]. See ''Webcomic/YellowBrickRamble'', for example.
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* FandomSpecificPlot: Giving Tip gender dysphoria before the transformation into Ozma. See ''Webcomic/YellowBrickRamble'', for example.
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* AssPull: It's implied Tip couldn't simply just rule Oz as king as the people would've only accepted Princess Ozma, the rightful heir. This despite everyone being fine with a talking scarecrow as the king, Emerald City being gullible enough to think a con-artist was a wizard, and no one knowing who Ozma even is.

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* AssPull: It's implied Tip couldn't simply just rule Oz as king as the people would've only accepted Princess Ozma, the rightful heir. This despite everyone being fine with a talking scarecrow as the king, Emerald City being gullible enough to think a con-artist was a wizard, wizard and also accept him as their king, and no one knowing who Ozma even is.
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* AssPull: It's implied Tip couldn't simply just rule Oz as king as the people would've only accepted Princess Ozma, the rightful heir. This despite everyone being fine with a talking scarecrow as the king, Emerald City being gullible enough to think a con-artist was a wizard, and no one knowing who Ozma even is.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Enough fans disliked the reveal that the Wizard had been complicit in Ozma's kidnapping that Baum retconed it away when the Wizard came back for ''Literature/DorothyAndTheWizardInOz''.
** Also the absence of Dorothy was a big complaint to the book witch is why she returns in the next novel.

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Enough fans disliked the reveal that the Wizard had been complicit in Ozma's kidnapping that Baum retconed it away when the Wizard came back for ''Literature/DorothyAndTheWizardInOz''.
** Also the The absence of Dorothy in this book was a big complaint to among readers at the book witch time it came out, which is why she returns as the protagonist in the next novel.
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** Also the absence of Dorothy was a big complaint to the book witch is why she returns in the next novel.
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* LGBTFanbase: Tip [[spoiler:or more to the point, Ozma]] is popular with trans people due to the idea of [[spoiler:the gender one was raised as being a lie and one's true self actually being another gender]] having extremely obvious {{applicability}}.

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* LGBTFanbase: Tip [[spoiler:or more to the point, Ozma]] is popular with trans people due to the idea of [[spoiler:the gender one was raised as being a lie and one's true self actually being another gender]] having extremely obvious {{applicability}}. Unless you're an FTM -- then Tip being forced into being turned back into a girl again against his wishes is nightmarish.

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* LGBTFanbase: Tip/[[spoiler:Ozma]] is popular with trans people due to [[spoiler:the {{applicability}} of their character]].
** [[DidntThinkThisThrough Then again]], the perpetually-wise Glinda lays out the book's ultimate position by explaining: "[[spoiler:But you were born a girl ... so you must resume your proper form.]]" The notion that reality is dictated by [[spoiler:a person's birth gender]] and must be honored when all is said and done even if the person currently feels otherwise ... probably doesn't mesh very well with modern-day UsefulNotes/{{transgender}} ideology.

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* LGBTFanbase: Tip/[[spoiler:Ozma]] Tip [[spoiler:or more to the point, Ozma]] is popular with trans people due to the idea of [[spoiler:the {{applicability}} of their character]].
** [[DidntThinkThisThrough Then again]], the perpetually-wise Glinda lays out the book's ultimate position by explaining: "[[spoiler:But you were born
gender one was raised as being a girl ... so you must resume your proper form.]]" The notion that reality is dictated by [[spoiler:a person's birth lie and one's true self actually being another gender]] and must be honored when all is said and done even if the person currently feels otherwise ... probably doesn't mesh very well with modern-day UsefulNotes/{{transgender}} ideology.having extremely obvious {{applicability}}.
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** [[DidntThinkThisThrough Then again]], the perpetually-wise Glinda explains the book's ultimate position by explaining: "[[spoiler:But you were born a girl ... so you must resume your proper form.]]" The notion that reality is dictated by [[spoiler:a person's birth gender]] and must be honored when all is said and done even if the person currently feels otherwise ... probably doesn't mesh very well with modern-day UsefulNotes/{{transgender}} ideology.

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** [[DidntThinkThisThrough Then again]], the perpetually-wise Glinda explains lays out the book's ultimate position by explaining: "[[spoiler:But you were born a girl ... so you must resume your proper form.]]" The notion that reality is dictated by [[spoiler:a person's birth gender]] and must be honored when all is said and done even if the person currently feels otherwise ... probably doesn't mesh very well with modern-day UsefulNotes/{{transgender}} ideology.
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** [[DidntThinkThisThrough Then again]], the perpetually-wise Glinda explains the book's ultimate position by explaining: "[[spoiler:But you were born a girl ... so you must resume your proper form.]]" The notion that reality is dictated by [[spoiler:a person's birth gender]] and must be honored when all is said and done even if the person currently feels otherwise ... probably doesn't mesh very well with modern-day UsefulNotes/{{transgender}} ideology.
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* TheyChangeItNowItSucks: Enough fans disliked the reveal that the Wizard had been complicit in Ozma's kidnapping that Baum retconed it away when the Wizard came back for ''Literature/DorothyAndTheWizardInOz''.

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* TheyChangeItNowItSucks: TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Enough fans disliked the reveal that the Wizard had been complicit in Ozma's kidnapping that Baum retconed it away when the Wizard came back for ''Literature/DorothyAndTheWizardInOz''.
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* RainbowLens: [[spoiler:Tip]] is a popular example of this trope, which analyzers and future adaptations have toyed around with. He was born [[spoiler:a girl]] but was [[spoiler:magically transformed into a boy as a baby and raised as male]]. Later on, he learns the truth and is turned back [[spoiler:into his true form, Ozma]] (which, depending on his VagueAge, occured in pre-adolescence or adolescence). All the genderbending makes it popular to reinterpret [[spoiler:Ozma]] through a {{transgender}} lens.

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* RainbowLens: [[spoiler:Tip]] is a popular example of this trope, which analyzers and future adaptations have toyed around with. He was born [[spoiler:a girl]] but was [[spoiler:magically transformed into a boy as a baby and raised as male]]. Later on, he learns the truth and is turned back [[spoiler:into his true form, Ozma]] (which, depending on his VagueAge, occured in pre-adolescence or adolescence). All the genderbending makes it popular to reinterpret [[spoiler:Ozma]] through a {{transgender}} UsefulNotes/{{transgender}} lens.
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* TheyChangeItNowItSucks: Enough fans disliked the reveal that the Wizard had been complicit in Ozma's kidnapping that Baum retconed it away when the Wizard came back for ''Literature/DorothyAndTheWizardInOz''.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: As noted elsewhere, there are several ways you could interpret Tip[[spoiler:/Ozma]], particularly if you're going to look at it through a more modern [[spoiler:transgender]] perspective. Modern Oz writers often speculate on how [[spoiler:Ozma transitioned into her role as a female ruler]], and try to expand on it or make it significantly less seamless of a transition than the one Baum presents. Read for example, [[spoiler:''Fanfic/OzmaSeesHerself'' by Edward Einhorn]]

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: As noted elsewhere, there are several ways you could interpret Tip[[spoiler:/Ozma]], particularly if you're going to look at it through a more modern [[spoiler:transgender]] perspective. Modern Oz ''Oz'' writers often speculate on how [[spoiler:Ozma transitioned into her role as a female ruler]], and try to expand on it or make it significantly less seamless of a transition than the one Baum presents. Read for example, [[spoiler:''Fanfic/OzmaSeesHerself'' by Edward Einhorn]]



* FanficFuel: The psychological implications of Tip's abusive upbringing and [[spoiler:Tip/Ozma's genderbending]].



* RainbowLens: [[spoiler:Tip]] is a popular example of this trope, which analyzers and future adaptations have toyed around with. He was born [[spoiler:a girl]] but was [[spoiler:magically transformed into a boy and raised as male]]. Later on, he learns the truth and is turned back [[spoiler:into his true form, Ozma]] (which, depending on his VagueAge, occured in pre-adolescence or adolescence). All the genderbending makes it popular to reinterpret [[spoiler:Ozma]] through a {{transgender}} lens.
* ValuesResonance: [[spoiler:Tip]] initially complains about having to be turned back into a girl after living as a boy. His friends comfort him by telling him that being a girl isn't bad. They can still be friends, they're just as nice as boys, and they're just as good students as boys. After transforming, [[spoiler:Ozma]] doesn't complain.

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* RainbowLens: [[spoiler:Tip]] is a popular example of this trope, which analyzers and future adaptations have toyed around with. He was born [[spoiler:a girl]] but was [[spoiler:magically transformed into a boy as a baby and raised as male]]. Later on, he learns the truth and is turned back [[spoiler:into his true form, Ozma]] (which, depending on his VagueAge, occured in pre-adolescence or adolescence). All the genderbending makes it popular to reinterpret [[spoiler:Ozma]] through a {{transgender}} lens.
* ValuesResonance: [[spoiler:Tip]] initially complains about having to be turned back into a girl after living as a boy. His friends comfort him by telling him that being a girl isn't bad. They can still be friends, they're friends-- girls are just as nice as boys, and they're just as good students as boys. After transforming, [[spoiler:Ozma]] doesn't complain.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Jinjur is depicted as a redhead. "Ginger" has become a slang for redhead -- though some might even consider the book a TropeMaker or TropeCodifier.
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* RainbowLens: [[spoiler:Tip]] is a popular example of this trope, which analyzers and future adaptations have toyed around with. He was born [[spoiler:a girl]] but was [[spoiler:magically transformed into a boy and raised as male]]. Later on, he learns the truth and is turned back [[spoiler:into his true form, Ozma]] (which, depending on his VagueAge, occured in pre-adolescence or adolescence). All the genderbending makes it popular to reinterpret [[spoiler:Ozma]] through a {{transgender}} lens.

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* RainbowLens: [[spoiler:Tip]] is a popular example of this trope, which analyzers and future adaptations have toyed around with. He was born [[spoiler:a girl]] but was [[spoiler:magically transformed into a boy and raised as male]]. Later on, he learns the truth and is turned back [[spoiler:into his true form, Ozma]] (which, depending on his VagueAge, occured in pre-adolescence or adolescence). All the genderbending makes it popular to reinterpret [[spoiler:Ozma]] through a {{transgender}} lens.lens.
* ValuesResonance: [[spoiler:Tip]] initially complains about having to be turned back into a girl after living as a boy. His friends comfort him by telling him that being a girl isn't bad. They can still be friends, they're just as nice as boys, and they're just as good students as boys. After transforming, [[spoiler:Ozma]] doesn't complain.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Jack Pumpkinhead was enough of one that Baum retconned his apparent death at the end of this book so that Jack simply replaces his heads when they rot.

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* NightmareFuel: Mombi, who's played relatively seriously compared to everyone else. In particular, the scene where she tells Tip that she intends to turn him into a marble statue is unsettling, from the buildup to how cold her statements are.

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* NightmareFuel: Mombi, who's played relatively seriously compared to everyone else. In particular, the scene where she tells Tip that she intends to turn him into a marble statue is unsettling, from the buildup to how cold her statements are.are.
* RainbowLens: [[spoiler:Tip]] is a popular example of this trope, which analyzers and future adaptations have toyed around with. He was born [[spoiler:a girl]] but was [[spoiler:magically transformed into a boy and raised as male]]. Later on, he learns the truth and is turned back [[spoiler:into his true form, Ozma]] (which, depending on his VagueAge, occured in pre-adolescence or adolescence). All the genderbending makes it popular to reinterpret [[spoiler:Ozma]] through a {{transgender}} lens.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Jack Pumpkinhead was enough of one that Baum retconned his apparent death at the end of this book so that Jack simply replaces his heads when they rot.
** In the theatre adaptation of ''The Wonderful Wizard of Oz'', the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman were fan favorites; hence why they appear in this book while Dorothy, the Cowardly Lion and the Wizard were absent. Baum had underestimated the popularity of these characters, however. Fans of the book clamoured for them to appear again, which they would in subsequent books.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: As noted elsewhere, there are several ways you could interpret Tip[[spoiler:/Ozma, particularly if you're going to look at it through a more modern transgender perspective. Modern Oz writers often speculate on how Ozma transitioned into her role as a female ruler, and try to expand on it or make it significantly less seamless of a transition than the one Baum presents. Read for example, ''Fanfic/OzmaSeesHerself'' by Edward Einhorn]]

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: As noted elsewhere, there are several ways you could interpret Tip[[spoiler:/Ozma, Tip[[spoiler:/Ozma]], particularly if you're going to look at it through a more modern transgender [[spoiler:transgender]] perspective. Modern Oz writers often speculate on how Ozma [[spoiler:Ozma transitioned into her role as a female ruler, ruler]], and try to expand on it or make it significantly less seamless of a transition than the one Baum presents. Read for example, ''Fanfic/OzmaSeesHerself'' [[spoiler:''Fanfic/OzmaSeesHerself'' by Edward Einhorn]]
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Tip wasn't forced to "de-transition" against his will. He said he was willing to try out being a girl to see how he liked it, and it's never said that Glinda would've forced the change if he hadn't consented to it. And Tip and Ozma aren't really treated as separate beings - she makes it a point to remind everyone present that she's still the same Tip, just as a girl now.

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Tip wasn't forced to "de-transition" against his will. He said he was willing to try out being a girl to see how he liked it, and it's never said that Glinda would've forced the change if he hadn't consented to it. And Tip and Ozma aren't really treated as separate beings - she makes it a point to remind everyone present that she's still the same Tip, just as a girl now.


* NightmareFuel: Mombi, who's played relatively seriously compared to everyone else. In particular, the scene where she tells Tip that she intends to turn him into a marble statue is unsettling, from the buildup to how cold her statements are.
* ValuesDissonance: This really depends on how one reads Tip's character before he is [[spoiler: turned back into Ozma. If you read him as identifying strongly with his male body and upbringing, then at the end when Glinda et al. turn him back into Ozma,]] you have what in modern times would be termed a [[spoiler: FTM transgender individual, being forced to de-transition against his will.]] Of course, since others have read Tip[[spoiler:/Ozma as a MTF transgender individual finally being allowed to transition,]] the issue is anything but clear-cut. Another potentially unfortunate implication here comes when poor Tip is treated as [[spoiler: a different person than Ozma, despite being mentally the same individual. Tip cannot ascend the throne as himself, and his male persona is treated as merely part of the magically-induced disguise, to be casually discarded in favor of being Ozma.]]

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* NightmareFuel: Mombi, who's played relatively seriously compared to everyone else. In particular, the scene where she tells Tip that she intends to turn him into a marble statue is unsettling, from the buildup to how cold her statements are. \n* ValuesDissonance: This really depends on how one reads Tip's character before he is [[spoiler: turned back into Ozma. If you read him as identifying strongly with his male body and upbringing, then at the end when Glinda et al. turn him back into Ozma,]] you have what in modern times would be termed a [[spoiler: FTM transgender individual, being forced to de-transition against his will.]] Of course, since others have read Tip[[spoiler:/Ozma as a MTF transgender individual finally being allowed to transition,]] the issue is anything but clear-cut. Another potentially unfortunate implication here comes when poor Tip is treated as [[spoiler: a different person than Ozma, despite being mentally the same individual. Tip cannot ascend the throne as himself, and his male persona is treated as merely part of the magically-induced disguise, to be casually discarded in favor of being Ozma.]]
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*NightmareFuel: Mombi, who's played relatively seriously compared to everyone else. In particular, the scene where she tells Tip that she intends to turn him into a marble statue is unsettling, from the buildup to how cold her statements are.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: As noted elsewhere, there are several ways you could interpret Tip[[spoiler:/Ozma, particularly if you're going to look at it through a more modern transgender perspective. Modern Oz writers often speculate on how Ozma transitioned into her role as a female ruler, and try to expand on it or make it significantly less seamless of a transition than the one Baum presents. Read for example, [[https://oz.fandom.com/wiki/Ozma_Sees_Herself ''Ozma Sees Herself'']] by Edward Einhorn]]

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: As noted elsewhere, there are several ways you could interpret Tip[[spoiler:/Ozma, particularly if you're going to look at it through a more modern transgender perspective. Modern Oz writers often speculate on how Ozma transitioned into her role as a female ruler, and try to expand on it or make it significantly less seamless of a transition than the one Baum presents. Read for example, [[https://oz.fandom.com/wiki/Ozma_Sees_Herself ''Ozma Sees Herself'']] ''Fanfic/OzmaSeesHerself'' by Edward Einhorn]]
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: As noted elsewhere, there are several ways you could interpret Tip[[spoiler:/Ozma, particularly if you're going to look at it through a more modern transgender perspective. Modern Oz writers often speculate on how Ozma transitioned into her role as a female ruler, and try to expand on it or make it significantly less seamless of a transition than the one Baum presents. Read for example, [[https://oz.fandom.com/wiki/Ozma_Sees_Herself ''Ozma Sees Herself'']] by Edward Einhorn]]
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* ItWasHisSled: Everyone knows that [[spoiler:Tip is really Princess Ozma]], which is revealed at the end of the novel.
* LGBTFanbase: Tip/[[spoiler:Ozma]] is popular with trans people due to [[spoiler:the {{applicability}} of their character]].

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* UnfortunateImplications and ValuesDissonance: This really depends on how one reads Tip's character before he is [[spoiler: turned back into Ozma. If you read him as identifying strongly with his male body and upbringing, then at the end when Glinda et al. turn him back into Ozma,]] you have what in modern times would be termed a [[spoiler: FTM transgender individual, being forced to de-transition against his will.]] Of course, since others have read Tip[[spoiler:/Ozma as a MTF transgender individual finally being allowed to transition,]] the issue is anything but clear-cut.
** The other unfortunate implication here comes when poor Tip is treated as [[spoiler: a different person than Ozma, despite being mentally the same individual. Tip cannot ascend the throne as himself, and his male persona is treated as merely part of the magically-induced disguise, to be casually discarded in favor of being Ozma.]]

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* UnfortunateImplications and ValuesDissonance: This really depends on how one reads Tip's character before he is [[spoiler: turned back into Ozma. If you read him as identifying strongly with his male body and upbringing, then at the end when Glinda et al. turn him back into Ozma,]] you have what in modern times would be termed a [[spoiler: FTM transgender individual, being forced to de-transition against his will.]] Of course, since others have read Tip[[spoiler:/Ozma as a MTF transgender individual finally being allowed to transition,]] the issue is anything but clear-cut. \n** The other Another potentially unfortunate implication here comes when poor Tip is treated as [[spoiler: a different person than Ozma, despite being mentally the same individual. Tip cannot ascend the throne as himself, and his male persona is treated as merely part of the magically-induced disguise, to be casually discarded in favor of being Ozma.]]
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* UnfortunateImplications and ValuesDissonance: This really depends on how one reads Tip's character before he is [[spoiler: turned back into Ozma. If you read him as identifying strongly with his male body and upbringing, then at the end when Glinda et al. turn him back into Ozma,]] you have what in modern times would be termed a [[spoiler: FTM transgender individual, being forced to de-transition against his will.]] Of course, since others have read Tip[[spoiler:/Ozma as a MTF transgender individual finally being allowed to transition,]] the issue is anything but clear-cut.
** The other unfortunate implication here comes when poor Tip is treated as [[spoiler: a different person than Ozma, despite being mentally the same individual. Tip cannot ascend the throne as himself, and his male persona is treated as merely part of the magically-induced disguise, to be casually discarded in favor of being Ozma.]]

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