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* ValuesDissonance: Greater emphasis is placed on Wallis Simpson being a Nazi sympathizer than what really caused the crisis--she was an American divorcee who was still married to her next husband at the time.
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* BrokenBase: While there was a general, positive impression that the film would serve to increase support for real life stutterers, as well as the fact that it nailed pretty well how debilitating the condition can be (it was written by one of them after all), it is also true that experts and stutterers themselves don't entirely agree about the accuracy or lack thereof in the film's portrayal of the condition. A common criticism is that the film repeats the harmful myth that childhood trauma plays a big role in its origin, and therefore that catharsis is necessary to "fix" the problem, which others counter that the film fortunately still doesn't go to the extent to ignore that Logue's technical lessons are just as fundamental.

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* BrokenBase: While there was a general, positive impression that the film would serve to increase support for real life stutterers, as well as the fact that it nailed pretty well how debilitating the condition can be (it was written by one of them after all), it is also true that experts and stutterers themselves don't entirely agree about the accuracy or lack thereof in the film's portrayal of the condition. A common criticism is that the film repeats the harmful myth that childhood trauma plays a big role in its origin, and therefore that catharsis is necessary to "fix" the problem, which others counter that the film fortunately still doesn't go to the extent to ignore that Logue's technical lessons are just as fundamental.fundamental, or that he tests to determine if the problem is psychological rather than neurological before treatment.

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* AluminumChristmasTrees: One of the many doctors Bertie tries before going to Logue recommends the ancient method used by Demosthenes, of filling his mouth with pebbles (in this case, sterilized marbles) and then talking around them. Bertie's wife Elizabeth points out, reasonably, that this may have worked in Ancient Greece, but asks whether medical science has come up with anything better in the two thousand years since.

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One of the many doctors Bertie tries before going to Logue recommends the ancient method used by Demosthenes, of filling his mouth with pebbles (in this case, sterilized marbles) and then talking around them. Bertie's wife Elizabeth points out, reasonably, that this may have worked in Ancient Greece, but asks whether medical science has come up with anything better in the two thousand years since.


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** For that matter, the real life Lionel Logue actually ''was'' ahead of his time in many ways when it came to things like the dangers of smoking and the psychological components of speech impediments that an unaware viewer might conclude the film made up to try to make him look better. The film actually changed the script shortly before shooting to work in elements from Lionel's recently-discovered diary.
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* OffendingTheCreatorsOwn: The film writer is a stutterer himself, but a good part of his own were upset with the way his story treats the condition, especially falling on several myths - and not any less because the film's portrayal of Bertie's progress unintentionally transmits the message than the problem [[StutterStop can be easily solved with the right method or mindset]] (which is TruthInTelevision by some, but certainly not for others).

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* OffendingTheCreatorsOwn: The film writer is a stutterer himself, but a good part of his own were upset with the way his story treats the condition, especially falling on several myths - -- and not any less because the film's portrayal of Bertie's progress unintentionally transmits the message than the problem [[StutterStop can be easily solved with the right method or mindset]] (which is TruthInTelevision by some, but certainly not for others).



* TheWoobie: The premise initially sounds fairly humorous, until you watch the film and realize how much Albert's SpeechImpediment--and the traumatic upbringing that caused it--has robbed him of the ability to express himself.

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* TheWoobie: The premise initially sounds fairly humorous, until you watch the film and realize how much Albert's SpeechImpediment--and SpeechImpediment -- and the traumatic upbringing that caused it--has it -- has robbed him of the ability to express himself.
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* BrokenBase: While there was a general, positive impression that the film would serve to increase support for real life stutterers, as well as the fact that it nailed pretty well how debilitating the condition can be (it was written by one of them after all), it is also true that experts and stutterers themselves don't entirely agree about the accuracy or lack thereof in the film's portrayal of the condition. A common criticism is that the film repeats the harmful myth that childhood trauma plays a big role in its origin, and therefore that catharsis is necessary to "fix" the problem, which others counter that the film fortunately still doesn't go to the extent to ignore that League's technical lessons are just as fundamental.

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* BrokenBase: While there was a general, positive impression that the film would serve to increase support for real life stutterers, as well as the fact that it nailed pretty well how debilitating the condition can be (it was written by one of them after all), it is also true that experts and stutterers themselves don't entirely agree about the accuracy or lack thereof in the film's portrayal of the condition. A common criticism is that the film repeats the harmful myth that childhood trauma plays a big role in its origin, and therefore that catharsis is necessary to "fix" the problem, which others counter that the film fortunately still doesn't go to the extent to ignore that League's Logue's technical lessons are just as fundamental.
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* BrokenBase: While there was a general, positive impression that the film would serve to increase support for real life stutterers, as well as the fact that it nailed pretty well how debilitating the condition can be (it was written by one of them after all), it is also true that experts and stutterers themselves don't entirely agree about the accuracy or lack thereof in the film's portrayal of the condition. An usual criticism is that the film repeats the harmful myth that childhood trauma plays a big role in its origin, and therefore that catharsis is necessary to "fix" the problem, which others counter that the film fortunately still doesn't go to the extent to ignore that League's technical lessons are just as fundamental.

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* BrokenBase: While there was a general, positive impression that the film would serve to increase support for real life stutterers, as well as the fact that it nailed pretty well how debilitating the condition can be (it was written by one of them after all), it is also true that experts and stutterers themselves don't entirely agree about the accuracy or lack thereof in the film's portrayal of the condition. An usual A common criticism is that the film repeats the harmful myth that childhood trauma plays a big role in its origin, and therefore that catharsis is necessary to "fix" the problem, which others counter that the film fortunately still doesn't go to the extent to ignore that League's technical lessons are just as fundamental.
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** The same doctor (and several other doctors Bertie has gone to) encourage him to smoke to clear and relax his respiratory system. This seems ludicrous to modern audiences, but in fact the link between smoking and lung cancer wasn't established until the early 1930s, and since it was established by Nazi scientists working actively under Hitler's direction, their work was largely discredited and it took several decades for the rest of the world to replicate their findings.
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* AluminumChristmasTrees: One of the many doctors Bertie tries before going to Logue recommends the ancient method used by Demosthenes, of filling his mouth with pebbles (in this case, sterilized marbles) and then talking around them. Bertie's wife Elizabeth points out, reasonably, that this may have worked in Ancient Greece, but asks whether medical science has come up with anything better in the two thousand years since.
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* AcceptableTargets: Wallis Simpson, depicted here as a Nazi-loving slut who seduces King Edward away from his royal responsibilities.
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* ActorAllusion: Sir Michael Gambon plays George V. He had previously played that king's father and predecessor Edward VII in ''The Lost Prince''.

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* BrokenBase: While there was a general, positive impression that the film would serve to increase support for real life stutterers, as well as the fact that it nailed pretty well how debilitating the condition can be (it was written by one of them after all), it is also true that experts and stutterers themselves don't entirely agree about the accuracy or lack thereof in the film's portrayal of the condition. An usual criticism is that the film repeats the harmful myth that childhood trauma plays a big role in its origin, and therefore that catharsis is necessary to "fix" the problem, which others counter that the film fortunately still doesn't go to the extent to ignore that League's technical lessons are just as fundamental.



* OneSceneWonder: George V doesn't get too much screen time, but damn, does Michael Gambon deliver a strong performance or what?

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* OffendingTheCreatorsOwn: The film writer is a stutterer himself, but a good part of his own were upset with the way his story treats the condition, especially falling on several myths - and not any less because the film's portrayal of Bertie's progress unintentionally transmits the message than the problem [[StutterStop can be easily solved with the right method or mindset]] (which is TruthInTelevision by some, but certainly not for others).
* OneSceneWonder: George V doesn't get too much screen time, but damn, does Michael Gambon Creator/MichaelGambon deliver a strong performance or what?
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Some people just feel the need to complain about absolutely everything.


* BrokenBase: While there was a general, positive impression that the film would serve to increase support for real life stutterers, as well as the fact that it nailed pretty well how debilitating the condition can be (it was written by one of them after all), it is also true that pundits, experts and stutterers themselves don't entirely agree about the accuracy or lack thereof in the film's portrayal of the condition. An usual scientifical criticism is that the film repeats the harmful myth that childhood trauma plays a big role in its origin, and therefore that catharsis is necessary to "fix" the problem, which others counter that the film fortunately still doesn't go to the extent to ignore that League's technical lessons are just as fundamental.



* OffendingTheCreatorsOwn: The film writer is a stutterer himself, but a good part of his own were upset with the way his story treats the condition, especially falling on several myths - and not any less because the film's portrayal of Bertie's progress unintentionally transmits the message than the problem [[StutterStop can be easily solved with the right method or mindset]] (which is TruthInTelevision by some, but certainly not for others). It came to the point that, even if few of them would call it a bad film by any means, ''The King's Speech'' became a BerserkButton for some stutterers due to the sheer frequency people (usually well-intentioned, but clumsy in their approach) would recommend it to them as a sort of filmic therapy.
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* BrokenBase: While there was a general, positive impression that the film would serve to increase support for real life stutterers, as well as the fact that it nailed pretty well how debilitating the condition can be (it was written by one of them after all), it is also true that pundits, experts and stutterers themselves don't entirely agree about the accuracy or lack thereof in the film's portrayal of the condition. An usual scientifical criticism is that the film repeats the harmful myth that childhood trauma plays a big role in its origin, and therefore that catharsis is necessary to "fix" the problem, which others counter that the film still doesn't go to the extent to ignore that League's technical lessons are just as fundamental.

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* BrokenBase: While there was a general, positive impression that the film would serve to increase support for real life stutterers, as well as the fact that it nailed pretty well how debilitating the condition can be (it was written by one of them after all), it is also true that pundits, experts and stutterers themselves don't entirely agree about the accuracy or lack thereof in the film's portrayal of the condition. An usual scientifical criticism is that the film repeats the harmful myth that childhood trauma plays a big role in its origin, and therefore that catharsis is necessary to "fix" the problem, which others counter that the film fortunately still doesn't go to the extent to ignore that League's technical lessons are just as fundamental.



* OffendingTheCreatorsOwn: The film writer is a stutterer himself, but a good part of his own were discontent with the way his story treats the condition - especially given that the film's portrayal of Bertie's progress unintentionally transmits the message than the problem can be solved relatively easy with the right method or mindset. It came to the point that, even if few of them would call it a bad film by any means, ''The King's Speech'' became a BerserkButton for some due to the sheer frequency people (usually well-intentioned, but clumsy in their approach) would recommend it to them as a sort of filmic therapy.

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* OffendingTheCreatorsOwn: The film writer is a stutterer himself, but a good part of his own were discontent upset with the way his story treats the condition - condition, especially given that falling on several myths - and not any less because the film's portrayal of Bertie's progress unintentionally transmits the message than the problem [[StutterStop can be easily solved relatively easy with the right method or mindset. mindset]] (which is TruthInTelevision by some, but certainly not for others). It came to the point that, even if few of them would call it a bad film by any means, ''The King's Speech'' became a BerserkButton for some stutterers due to the sheer frequency people (usually well-intentioned, but clumsy in their approach) would recommend it to them as a sort of filmic therapy.
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* BrokenBase: While there was a general, positive impression that the film would serve to increase support for real life stutterers, as well as the fact that it nailed pretty well how debilitating the condition can be (it was written by one of them after all), it is also true that pundits, experts and stutterers themselves don't entirely agree about the accuracy or lack thereof in the film's portrayal of the condition. An usual scientifical criticism is that the film repeats the harmful myth that childhood trauma plays a big role in its origin, and therefore that catharsis is necessary to "fix" the problem, which others counter that the film still doesn't go to the extent to ignore that League's technical lessons are just as fundamental.


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* OffendingTheCreatorsOwn: The film writer is a stutterer himself, but a good part of his own were discontent with the way his story treats the condition - especially given that the film's portrayal of Bertie's progress unintentionally transmits the message than the problem can be solved relatively easy with the right method or mindset. It came to the point that, even if few of them would call it a bad film by any means, ''The King's Speech'' became a BerserkButton for some due to the sheer frequency people (usually well-intentioned, but clumsy in their approach) would recommend it to them as a sort of filmic therapy.
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* TheWoobie: The premise initially sounds fairly humorous, until you watch the film and realize how much Albert's SpeechImpediment has robbed him of the ability to express himself.

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* TheWoobie: The premise initially sounds fairly humorous, until you watch the film and realize how much Albert's SpeechImpediment has SpeechImpediment--and the traumatic upbringing that caused it--has robbed him of the ability to express himself.

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* MemeticMutation: Bertie's ClusterFBomb speech has become this.



* MemeticMutation: Bertie's ClusterFBomb speech has become this.
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* FandomRivalry: Fans of the film look set to be duking it out with primary Oscar rival ''Film/TheSocialNetwork'' partisans to this day. Look for plenty of AwardSnub accusations to fly. The fact that it was produced by The Weinstein Company, notorious for their aggressive Oscar campaigns, certainly did not help matters.
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* FandomRivalry: Fans of the film look set to be duking it out with primary Oscar rival ''Film/TheSocialNetwork'' partisans to this day. Look for plenty of AwardSnub accusations to fly. The fact that it was produced by The Weinstein Company, notorious for their aggresive Oscar campaigns, certainly did not help matters.

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* FandomRivalry: Fans of the film look set to be duking it out with primary Oscar rival ''Film/TheSocialNetwork'' partisans to this day. Look for plenty of AwardSnub accusations to fly. The fact that it was produced by The Weinstein Company, notorious for their aggresive aggressive Oscar campaigns, certainly did not help matters.
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** In addition, Creator/DerekJacobi, who plays Archbishop of Canterbury Cosmo Gordon Lang in this film, appeared in ''The Crown'' as David, formerly King Edward VIII, at the end of his life.
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* ActorAllusion: Sir Michael Gambon plays George V. He had previously played that king's father and predecessor Edward VII in ''The Lost Prince''.

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** And that's before factoring in the rabid ''Film/{{Inception}}'', ''Film/BlackSwan'' and ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory3'' fandoms.



* MemeticMutation: Bertie's ClusterFBomb speech is slowly becoming this.
* TheWoobie: The premise initially sounds fairly humorous, until you watch the film and realize how much Albert's SpeechImpediment has robbed him of the ability to express himself. Not to mention his piss poor childhood.

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* MemeticMutation: Bertie's ClusterFBomb speech is slowly becoming has become this.
* TheWoobie: The premise initially sounds fairly humorous, until you watch the film and realize how much Albert's SpeechImpediment has robbed him of the ability to express himself. Not to mention his piss poor childhood.
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** Creator/HelenaBonhamCarter would later play the Queen Mum's daughter Margaret in ''Series/TheCrown'', alongside Creator/OliviaColman, who'd also played the Queen Mum in ''Film/HydeParkOnHudson'', as Elizabeth.

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** Creator/HelenaBonhamCarter would later play the Queen Mum's daughter Margaret in ''Series/TheCrown'', ''Series/TheCrown2016'', alongside Creator/OliviaColman, who'd also played the Queen Mum in ''Film/HydeParkOnHudson'', as Elizabeth.
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** Creator/HelenaBonhamCarter would later play the Queen Mum's daughter Margaret in ''Series/TheCrown'', alongside Creator/OliviaColman, who'd also played the Queen Mum in ''Film/HydeParkOnHudson'', as Elizabeth.
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** Creator/TimothySpall has a small role as UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill. Several years later, he was a major character is ''Film/{{Denial}}'', as the Neo-Nazi writer and Hitler's apologist David Irving.

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** Creator/TimothySpall has a small role as UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill. Several years later, he was a major character is in ''Film/{{Denial}}'', as the Neo-Nazi writer and Hitler's apologist David Irving.
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* FandomRivalry: Fans of the film look set to be duking it out with primary Oscar rival ''Film/TheSocialNetwork'' partisans for years to come. Look for plenty of AwardSnub accusations to fly. The fact that it was produced by The Weinstein Company, notorious for their aggresive Oscar campaigns, certainly did not help matters.

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* FandomRivalry: Fans of the film look set to be duking it out with primary Oscar rival ''Film/TheSocialNetwork'' partisans for years to come.this day. Look for plenty of AwardSnub accusations to fly. The fact that it was produced by The Weinstein Company, notorious for their aggresive Oscar campaigns, certainly did not help matters.

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