History YMMV / TheKingkillerChronicle

19th Mar '17 4:53:37 PM GothicProphet
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** Earlier, in ''The Name of the Wind,'' Deoch goes to great lengths and gets unusually worked up explaining to Kvothe the double standards that men use when criticizing women like Denna. It's arguably a case of SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped, and Deoch's words play an important role in influencing Kvothe's later treatment of Denna. However, it also feels like Rothfuss using a minor character to express his own preemptive annoyance at how some readers might respond to Denna's behavior.

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** Earlier, in ''The Name of the Wind,'' Deoch goes to great lengths and gets unusually worked up explaining to Kvothe the double standards that men use when criticizing women like Denna. It's arguably a case of SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped, and Deoch's words play an important role in influencing Kvothe's later treatment of Denna. However, it also feels like Rothfuss using a minor character to express his own preemptive annoyance at how some readers might respond to Denna's behavior.behavior.
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5th Mar '17 4:53:48 PM Pren
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* HilariousInHindsight: Kote was a caravan guard [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim until he took an arrow to the knee.]]

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* HilariousInHindsight: Kote was a caravan guard [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim until he took an arrow to the knee.]]]] Some suspect the memetic line was actually a deliberate ShoutOut.
23rd Feb '17 11:35:17 AM Cieloazul
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: For all that Ambrose is exceedingly prejudiced against the Edema Ruh and abusing his influence to attack him, by the end of the first book Kvothe has in fact 1. Robbed him, and 2. Committed an act of extreme malfeasance.

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: For all that Ambrose is exceedingly prejudiced against the Edema Ruh and abusing his influence to attack him, by the end of the first book Kvothe has in fact 1. Robbed him, robbed him and 2. Committed committed an act of extreme malfeasance.malfeasance against him. It crosses to UnintentionallySympathetic when one notices that Kvothe's vendettas against Ambrose are often much more vicious than Ambrose's own misdeeds against him, as he mostly sees Kvothe as an annoyance while Kvothe sees him as a cloak-and-dagger mortal enemy.



** First when Kvothe glosses over a [[OffScreenMomentOfAwesome high-stakes, high-action]] [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot part of the plot]] and then goes into an angry rant about how this is ''his'' story and Chronicler isn't entitled to hear it any other way than the way ''he'' wants to tell it. It's almost impossible to not see that as Patrick Rothfuss' own pre-emptive attack on any readers who would be disappointed by this decision, and indeed, fans of the series have been known to use Kvothe's claim of "granting you a gift, not giving you your due" in response to criticism towards the series.
** Secondly with the subplot with the false Edema Ruh who kidnapped and raped two young girls. Kvothe brutally kills all of the culprits, subjects one to a CruelMercy and, while initially feeling shocked by his own savagery, soon decides that he's happy he did it because they deserved all of it and more. When he brings the girls back to their village, one of the villagers try to [[UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming victim-blame]] them, and Kvothe ''breaks his arm'' as punishment before making him apologise, and is later told by the village's resident CoolOldLady that he was quite justified in doing so. Yes, Rothfuss, we get it, [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil rape is bad]] - but perhaps you could tone it down just a little?

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** First when Kvothe glosses over a [[OffScreenMomentOfAwesome high-stakes, high-action]] [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot part of the plot]] and then goes into an angry rant about how this is ''his'' story and Chronicler isn't entitled to hear it any other way than the way ''he'' wants to tell it. It's almost impossible to not see that as Patrick Rothfuss' own pre-emptive attack on any readers who would be disappointed by critize this decision, or any other stylistic shortcoming on his work, and indeed, fans of the series have been known to use Kvothe's claim of "granting you a gift, not giving you your due" in response to criticism towards the series.
series. It turns worse when one realizes that, as people have paid money for Rothfuss's books instead of hearing the story for free like Chronicler is doing, it ''does'' become a due, and thus it is reasonable to see Patrick's message as an author being disrespectful and self-entitled towards his own readers.
** Secondly with the subplot with the false Edema Ruh who kidnapped and raped two young girls. Kvothe brutally kills all of the culprits, subjects one to a CruelMercy and, while initially feeling shocked by his own savagery, soon decides that he's happy he did it because they deserved all of it and more. When he brings the girls back to their village, one of the villagers try to [[UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming victim-blame]] them, and Kvothe ''breaks casually breaks his arm'' arm with his Ketan holds as a punishment before making him apologise, and is later told by the village's resident CoolOldLady that he was quite justified right in doing so. Yes, Rothfuss, we get it, killing and maiming all those people. This not only turns the [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil rape "rape is bad]] - bad"]] message up to {{Anvilicious}}, but perhaps you could tone it down just also enforces a little?very ugly form of vigilantism and justifies the abuse of physical superiority.
22nd Feb '17 5:00:02 PM Cieloazul
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Denna comes off as TheScrappy to many, who often find her annoying and unsympathetic for what they perceive as knowingly toying with Kvothe to spend her time when she is not luring rich guys to make a living. Conversely, many people like her for being a rare three-dimensional LoveInterest who provides both conflict and respite (alternatively) to the story, thanks to how much she matters to Kvothe.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Denna comes off as TheScrappy to many, who often find her annoying and unsympathetic for what they perceive as knowingly toying with Kvothe only to spend her free time when while she is not luring rich guys to make a living. Conversely, many people like her for being a rare three-dimensional LoveInterest who provides both conflict and respite (alternatively) to the story, thanks to how much she matters to Kvothe.
6th Feb '17 9:11:54 AM tyouker
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** Earlier, in ''The Name of the Wind,'' Deoch goes to great lengths and gets unusually worked up explaining to Kvothe the double standards that men use when criticizing women like Denna. It's arguably a case of SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped, and Deoch's words play an important role in influencing Kvothe's later treatment of Denna. However, it also feels like Rothfuss using a minor character to express his own preemptive annoyance at how some readers would respond to Denna's behavior.

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** Earlier, in ''The Name of the Wind,'' Deoch goes to great lengths and gets unusually worked up explaining to Kvothe the double standards that men use when criticizing women like Denna. It's arguably a case of SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped, and Deoch's words play an important role in influencing Kvothe's later treatment of Denna. However, it also feels like Rothfuss using a minor character to express his own preemptive annoyance at how some readers would might respond to Denna's behavior.
6th Feb '17 9:11:22 AM tyouker
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** Secondly with the subplot with the false Edema Ruh who kidnapped and raped two young girls. Kvothe brutally kills all of the culprits, subjects one to a CruelMercy and, while initially feeling shocked by his own savagery, soon decides that he's happy he did it because they deserved all of it and more. When he brings the girls back to their village, one of the villagers try to [[UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming victim-blame]] them, and Kvothe ''breaks his arm'' as punishment before making him apologise, and is later told by the village's resident CoolOldLady that he was quite justified in doing so. Yes, Rothfuss, we get it, [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil rape is bad]] - but perhaps you could tone it down just a little?

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** Secondly with the subplot with the false Edema Ruh who kidnapped and raped two young girls. Kvothe brutally kills all of the culprits, subjects one to a CruelMercy and, while initially feeling shocked by his own savagery, soon decides that he's happy he did it because they deserved all of it and more. When he brings the girls back to their village, one of the villagers try to [[UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming victim-blame]] them, and Kvothe ''breaks his arm'' as punishment before making him apologise, and is later told by the village's resident CoolOldLady that he was quite justified in doing so. Yes, Rothfuss, we get it, [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil rape is bad]] - but perhaps you could tone it down just a little?little?
**Earlier, in ''The Name of the Wind,'' Deoch goes to great lengths and gets unusually worked up explaining to Kvothe the double standards that men use when criticizing women like Denna. It's arguably a case of SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped, and Deoch's words play an important role in influencing Kvothe's later treatment of Denna. However, it also feels like Rothfuss using a minor character to express his own preemptive annoyance at how some readers would respond to Denna's behavior.
4th Aug '16 7:53:09 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Denna comes off as TheScrappy to many, who often find her annoying and unsympathetic for what they perceive as knowingly toying with Kvothe to spend her time when she is not luring rich guys to make a living. Conversely, many people like her for being a rare three-dimensional LoveInterest who provides both conflict and respite (alternatively) to the story, thanks to how much she matters to Kvothe.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Denna comes off as TheScrappy to many, who often find her annoying and unsympathetic for what they perceive as knowingly toying with Kvothe to spend her time when she is not luring rich guys to make a living. Conversely, many people like her for being a rare three-dimensional LoveInterest who provides both conflict and respite (alternatively) to the story, thanks to how much she matters to Kvothe.
11th Jun '16 9:59:33 AM luord
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* BaseBreaker: Denna comes off as TheScrappy to many, who often find her annoying and unsympathetic for what they perceive as knowingly toying with Kvothe to spend her time when she is not luring rich guys to make a living. Conversely, many people like her for being a rare three-dimensional LoveInterest who provides both conflict and respite (alternatively) to the story, thanks to how much she matters to Kvothe.



* TheScrappy: Denna comes off as this to many, who often find her annoying and unsympathetic for what they perceive as knowingly toying with Kvothe to spend her time when she is not luring rich guys to make a living.
9th Jan '16 8:27:53 PM phylos
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** Similarly, the time spent in Ademre. It's either a very interesting subplot that enriches the story by showing a different culture of ProudWarriorRaceGuys, with an interesting philosophy in the Lethani. Or they are a [[MarySuetopia country]] of [[CantArgueWithElves pretentious]], [[IRejectYourReality anti-intellectual]], [[WomenAreWiser sexist]], [[ArrogantKungfuGuy Arrogant kung-fu guys]] who belittle everyone else for their perceived shortcomings while [[{{Hypocrite}} ignoring their own backward and strange taboos]], not to mention that the entire time there doesn't advance the MythArc barring a short conversation at the end.

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** Similarly, the time spent in Ademre. It's either a very interesting subplot that enriches the story by showing a different culture of ProudWarriorRaceGuys, with an interesting philosophy in the Lethani. Or they are a [[MarySuetopia country]] of [[CantArgueWithElves pretentious]], [[IRejectYourReality anti-intellectual]], [[WomenAreWiser sexist]], [[ArrogantKungfuGuy Arrogant arrogant kung-fu guys]] who belittle everyone else for their perceived shortcomings while [[{{Hypocrite}} ignoring their own backward and strange taboos]], not to mention that the entire time there doesn't advance the MythArc barring a short conversation at the end.
9th Jan '16 8:27:03 PM phylos
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** Similarly, the time spent in Ademre. It's either a very interesting subplot that enriches the story by showing a different culture of ProudWarriorRaceGuys, with an interesting philosophy in the Lethani. Or they are a country of [[CantArgueWithElves arrogant]], [[IRejectYourReality anti-intellectual]], [[WomenAreWiser sexist]], [[ArrogantKungfuGuy Arrogant kung-fu guys]] who belittle everyone else for their perceived shortcomings while [[{{Hypocrite}} ignoring their own backward and strange taboos]], not to mention that the entire time there doesn't advance the MythArc barring a short conversation at the end.

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** Similarly, the time spent in Ademre. It's either a very interesting subplot that enriches the story by showing a different culture of ProudWarriorRaceGuys, with an interesting philosophy in the Lethani. Or they are a country [[MarySuetopia country]] of [[CantArgueWithElves arrogant]], pretentious]], [[IRejectYourReality anti-intellectual]], [[WomenAreWiser sexist]], [[ArrogantKungfuGuy Arrogant kung-fu guys]] who belittle everyone else for their perceived shortcomings while [[{{Hypocrite}} ignoring their own backward and strange taboos]], not to mention that the entire time there doesn't advance the MythArc barring a short conversation at the end.
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