History YMMV / TheIliad

9th Apr '17 5:21:17 PM Varia_Heimt
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** Some believe Achilles and Patroclus to have been not just best friends, but lovers, which may add another dimension to Achilles' behavior after Patroclus' death. This interpretation is mentioned in Plato's ''Literature/{{Symposium}}'', making it OlderThanFeudalism itself.

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** Some believe Achilles and Patroclus to have been not just best friends, but lovers, which may add another dimension to Achilles' behavior after Patroclus' death. This interpretation is mentioned in Plato's ''Literature/{{Symposium}}'', making it OlderThanFeudalism itself.itself, and more recently was the basis for ''Literature/{{SongOfAchilles}}''.
29th Oct '16 7:38:25 PM cdenton
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** What happens if in war a soldier surrenders and begs to be taken as a hostage? Kill him anyway, especially because if you're victorious you'll get to loot his home anyway! This lesson gets spelled out twice by the Greek heroes, even.

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** What happens if in war a soldier surrenders and begs to be taken as a hostage? Kill him anyway, him, especially because if you're victorious you'll get to loot his home anyway! This lesson gets spelled out twice by the Greek heroes, even.
29th Oct '16 7:37:11 PM cdenton
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** What happens if in war a soldier surrenders and begs to be taken as a hostage? Kill him anyway, especially because if you're victorious you'll get to loot his home anyway! This lesson gets spelled out twice by the Greek heroes, even.
28th Oct '16 4:18:19 PM dlchen145
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* FanPreferredCouple: Helen/Hector. Helen is/was the queen of Sparta (though before [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy the Doric invasion and the setting up of the warrior society people associate with the name]]) and derides Paris for letting Hector do all the fighting. Hector is a CrazyAwesome [[{{Badass}} warrior]] who [[KnightInShiningArmor treats her courteously]], [[HonorBeforeReason even though he has every right not to]]. Since Helen openly wishes that Paris was more like Hector and Andromache is rather flat as a character, you can see where people are coming from.

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* FanPreferredCouple: Helen/Hector. Helen is/was the queen of Sparta (though before [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy the Doric invasion and the setting up of the warrior society people associate with the name]]) and derides Paris for letting Hector do all the fighting. Hector is a CrazyAwesome [[{{Badass}} warrior]] warrior who [[KnightInShiningArmor treats her courteously]], [[HonorBeforeReason even though he has every right not to]]. Since Helen openly wishes that Paris was more like Hector and Andromache is rather flat as a character, you can see where people are coming from.
18th Oct '16 2:56:31 PM cpslck
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*** In particular, going to the Greek camp alone in the dark to beg Achilles for the body of Hector. "I have endured what no one on earth has ever done before I put my lips to the hands of the man who killed my son."
12th Oct '16 5:58:22 PM shatterstar
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* OneSceneWonder: Cassandra for the virtue of being an absolute LargeHam.



** Priam. The scene where he enters the Greek camp and begs Achilles for Hector's body is a real tearjerker.

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** Priam. The scene where he enters the Greek camp and begs Achilles for Hector's body is a real tearjerker.tearjerker.
** Cassandra, especially knowing her final fate in Theatre/TheOresteia.
5th Oct '16 12:22:43 PM roxana
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*** In some versions of the myth Helen herself chooses Menelaos from among her suitors.
5th Oct '16 12:20:10 PM roxana
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** Modern readers are often surprised to find Helen portrayed as [[FairForItsDay lonely and conflicted]] (especially with Ancient Greece's misogynist attitude), when she was historically the butt of ''many'' insults and jokes about the infidelity of women.

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** Modern readers are often surprised to find Helen portrayed as [[FairForItsDay lonely and conflicted]] (especially with Ancient Greece's misogynist attitude), when she was historically the butt of ''many'' insults and jokes about the infidelity of women. The attitude of the Heroic Age Greeks was different, as we see in Homer. Women are spoils of war and they are not blamed for making their captivity as easy on themselves as possible by being submissive and loyal. On the other hand the pathos of their condition isn't ignored either. Briseis is a case in point; Achilles killed her husband but he's also been kind to her and, urged by Patroclus, promised to marry her. She is now loyal to Achilles and maybe even cares about him a bit, certainly she shares his grief for Patroclus.
13th Sep '16 9:33:37 PM shatterstar
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** Cassandra, who only has one scene in the book but promptly milks it for all its worth. The fact that she is probably [[TheWoobie the second most sympathetic]] to modern audience after Hector also helps.

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** Cassandra, who only has one scene in the book but promptly milks it for all its worth. The fact that she is probably [[TheWoobie the second most sympathetic]] to modern audience after Hector also helps. This reaches to the point that her role is usually expanded either by combine with a lot of the other female characters at Troy, wrote her many more scenes or just outright took the scene or combine the work with another one of its sequels.
13th Sep '16 9:25:32 PM shatterstar
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** Cassandra, who only has one scene in the book but promptly milks it for all its worth. The fact that she is probably [[TheWoobie the second most sympathetic]] to modern audience after Hector also helps.
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