History YMMV / TheIliad

29th Oct '16 7:38:25 PM cdenton
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** What happens if in war a soldier surrenders and begs to be taken as a hostage? Kill him anyway, especially because if you're victorious you'll get to loot his home anyway! This lesson gets spelled out twice by the Greek heroes, even.

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** What happens if in war a soldier surrenders and begs to be taken as a hostage? Kill him anyway, him, especially because if you're victorious you'll get to loot his home anyway! This lesson gets spelled out twice by the Greek heroes, even.
29th Oct '16 7:37:11 PM cdenton
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** What happens if in war a soldier surrenders and begs to be taken as a hostage? Kill him anyway, especially because if you're victorious you'll get to loot his home anyway! This lesson gets spelled out twice by the Greek heroes, even.
28th Oct '16 4:18:19 PM dlchen145
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* FanPreferredCouple: Helen/Hector. Helen is/was the queen of Sparta (though before [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy the Doric invasion and the setting up of the warrior society people associate with the name]]) and derides Paris for letting Hector do all the fighting. Hector is a CrazyAwesome [[{{Badass}} warrior]] who [[KnightInShiningArmor treats her courteously]], [[HonorBeforeReason even though he has every right not to]]. Since Helen openly wishes that Paris was more like Hector and Andromache is rather flat as a character, you can see where people are coming from.

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* FanPreferredCouple: Helen/Hector. Helen is/was the queen of Sparta (though before [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy the Doric invasion and the setting up of the warrior society people associate with the name]]) and derides Paris for letting Hector do all the fighting. Hector is a CrazyAwesome [[{{Badass}} warrior]] warrior who [[KnightInShiningArmor treats her courteously]], [[HonorBeforeReason even though he has every right not to]]. Since Helen openly wishes that Paris was more like Hector and Andromache is rather flat as a character, you can see where people are coming from.
18th Oct '16 2:56:31 PM cpslck
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*** In particular, going to the Greek camp alone in the dark to beg Achilles for the body of Hector. "I have endured what no one on earth has ever done before I put my lips to the hands of the man who killed my son."
12th Oct '16 5:58:22 PM shatterstar
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* OneSceneWonder: Cassandra for the virtue of being an absolute LargeHam.



** Priam. The scene where he enters the Greek camp and begs Achilles for Hector's body is a real tearjerker.

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** Priam. The scene where he enters the Greek camp and begs Achilles for Hector's body is a real tearjerker.tearjerker.
** Cassandra, especially knowing her final fate in Theatre/TheOresteia.
5th Oct '16 12:22:43 PM roxana
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*** In some versions of the myth Helen herself chooses Menelaos from among her suitors.
5th Oct '16 12:20:10 PM roxana
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** Modern readers are often surprised to find Helen portrayed as [[FairForItsDay lonely and conflicted]] (especially with Ancient Greece's misogynist attitude), when she was historically the butt of ''many'' insults and jokes about the infidelity of women.

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** Modern readers are often surprised to find Helen portrayed as [[FairForItsDay lonely and conflicted]] (especially with Ancient Greece's misogynist attitude), when she was historically the butt of ''many'' insults and jokes about the infidelity of women. The attitude of the Heroic Age Greeks was different, as we see in Homer. Women are spoils of war and they are not blamed for making their captivity as easy on themselves as possible by being submissive and loyal. On the other hand the pathos of their condition isn't ignored either. Briseis is a case in point; Achilles killed her husband but he's also been kind to her and, urged by Patroclus, promised to marry her. She is now loyal to Achilles and maybe even cares about him a bit, certainly she shares his grief for Patroclus.
13th Sep '16 9:33:37 PM shatterstar
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** Cassandra, who only has one scene in the book but promptly milks it for all its worth. The fact that she is probably [[TheWoobie the second most sympathetic]] to modern audience after Hector also helps.

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** Cassandra, who only has one scene in the book but promptly milks it for all its worth. The fact that she is probably [[TheWoobie the second most sympathetic]] to modern audience after Hector also helps. This reaches to the point that her role is usually expanded either by combine with a lot of the other female characters at Troy, wrote her many more scenes or just outright took the scene or combine the work with another one of its sequels.
13th Sep '16 9:25:32 PM shatterstar
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** Cassandra, who only has one scene in the book but promptly milks it for all its worth. The fact that she is probably [[TheWoobie the second most sympathetic]] to modern audience after Hector also helps.
21st Nov '15 3:58:46 PM mindstalk
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** Is Nestor a wise leader who's [[CassandraTruth good council is ignored]] by the brash youths at war or is he a ManipulativeBastard who's [[BatmanGambit playing the other Greek leaders]] for the greater good of the greek coalition?

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** Is Nestor a wise leader who's whose [[CassandraTruth good council is ignored]] by the brash youths at war or is he a ManipulativeBastard who's [[BatmanGambit playing the other Greek leaders]] for the greater good of the greek coalition?



** When Diomedes rescues Nestor from Hector, when everyone on the Greek side(include badasses that have fought against and are equal to Hector such as Ajax) left the old man to die. Hell the two guys actually manage to turn the tables and ''almost kill Hector'', Zeus himself had to send three lighting bolts in front of their chariot before they were gonna single-highhandedly change the whole story of the Trojan War.

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** When Diomedes rescues Nestor from Hector, when everyone on the Greek side(include side (including badasses that have fought against and are equal to Hector such as Ajax) left the old man to die. Hell the two guys actually manage to turn the tables and ''almost kill Hector'', Zeus himself had to send three lighting bolts in front of their chariot before they were gonna single-highhandedly change the whole story of the Trojan War.



** There is a famous scene when Andromake suggests that Hector fight from the relative safety of the walls instead. Pointing out the she is a stranger in the city and neither she nor their son has anyone else to rely on if Hector dies. He declines, tries to hug his child, but the child is terrified not recognizing his father in the scary helmet. He takes off the helmet, and says something like: "Gods if I have ever pleased you, now hear my prayer: let my son grow up to be a great man so that he people say he is greater than his father." To the modern mind the continuation is a brutal aversion av a cuteness, to the Greeks it was probably natural. "And let him come home safely from combat with the bloody armor of his slain enemy and make his mummy glad." Hector does not mention himself in this wish for his son's future. He probably does not expect to live to see it.

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*** Paris had also stolen much treasure from Menelaos; this is mentioned a lot in the epic.
** There is a famous scene when Andromake suggests that Hector fight from the relative safety of the walls instead. Pointing instead, pointing out the she is a stranger in the city and neither she nor their son has anyone else to rely on if Hector dies. He declines, tries to hug his child, but the child is terrified not recognizing his father in the scary helmet. He takes off the helmet, and says something like: "Gods if I have ever pleased you, now hear my prayer: let my son grow up to be a great man so that he people say he is greater than his father." To the modern mind the continuation is a brutal aversion av a of cuteness, to the Greeks it was probably natural. "And let him come home safely from combat with the bloody armor of his slain enemy and make his mummy glad." Hector does not mention himself in this wish for his son's future. He probably does not expect to live to see it.
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