History YMMV / TheIliad

28th Nov '17 11:54:09 AM Chabal2
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** During Patrocles' funeral games, Achilles offers some of his loot as prizes. For one event, the winner gets a bronze tripod, worth twelve heads of cattle, the runner up gets a female slave, worth ''four''.
23rd Nov '17 1:49:00 PM Vampireandthen
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** Diomedes has his share of fans, mainly for being such a badass, but is one of the more overlooked characters. The fact he is one of the more likable and badass characters certainly helps.
10th Nov '17 10:02:22 PM Vampireandthen
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* MartyStu: Diomedes is often seen as one. And to be fair, he kind of is. The absolute perfect example of a Greek hero, the only mortal who gets to wound two gods in a single day, and basically is just completely perfect, by Greek standards. TropesAreNotBad, though, cause he is still awesome, badass and overall a good character.
3rd Oct '17 8:57:51 PM AmbarSonofDeshar
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** Which is in part [[ValuesDissonance because desecrating an enemy's body was not something that set Hector apart]], and partly because Achilles [[DisproportionateRetribution was even more extreme]], entailing, apart from what he did to Hector, killing as many Trojans as he could lay his hands on and capturing a few dozen so he could use them as human sacrifices at Patroclus' funeral.
3rd Sep '17 12:43:26 PM Peteman
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** There is a famous scene when Andromake suggests that Hector fight from the relative safety of the walls instead, pointing out the she is a stranger in the city and neither she nor their son has anyone else to rely on if Hector dies. He declines, tries to hug his child, but the child is terrified not recognizing his father in the scary helmet. He takes off the helmet, and says something like: "Gods if I have ever pleased you, now hear my prayer: let my son grow up to be a great man so that he people say he is greater than his father." To the modern mind the continuation is a brutal aversion of cuteness, to the Greeks it was probably natural. "And let him come home safely from combat with the bloody armor of his slain enemy and make his mummy glad." Hector does not mention himself in this wish for his son's future. He probably does not expect to live to see it.

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** There is a famous scene when Andromake suggests that Hector fight from the relative safety of the walls instead, pointing out the she is a stranger in the city and neither she nor their son has anyone else to rely on if Hector dies. He declines, tries to hug his child, but the child is terrified not recognizing his father in the scary helmet. He takes off the helmet, and says something like: "Gods if I have ever pleased you, now hear my prayer: let my son grow up to be a great man so that he people say he is greater than his father." To the modern mind the continuation is a brutal an aversion of cuteness, to the Greeks it was probably natural. "And let him come home safely from combat with the bloody armor of his slain enemy and make his mummy glad." Hector does not mention himself in this wish for his son's future. He probably does not expect to live to see it.
28th Aug '17 2:07:54 PM shatterstar
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** Helen needs a hug.

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** Helen needs a hug. An entire war happens because of her decision, as well as the fact that the other Trojan women clearly dislike her (with good reason).



** JerkassWoobie: Achilles, after Patroclus is killed. This is even more prominent if you think they are lovers.

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** JerkassWoobie: Achilles, after Patroclus is killed.killed because of his arrogance. This is even more prominent if you think they are lovers.
28th Aug '17 2:05:47 PM shatterstar
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** Cassandra, especially knowing her final fate in Theatre/TheOresteia.

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** Cassandra, especially knowing her final fate in Theatre/TheOresteia.Theatre/TheOresteia.
** JerkassWoobie: Achilles, after Patroclus is killed. This is even more prominent if you think they are lovers.
5th Aug '17 7:32:22 AM shatterstar
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* HoYay: Achilles and Patroclus. In the book, they're nothing more than really close friends. And yet people have been speculating on them being lovers since ancient times.

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* HoYay: Achilles and Patroclus. In the book, they're nothing more than really close friends. And yet people have been speculating on them being lovers since ancient times. Creator/{{Plato}} apparently thinks so.
4th Aug '17 9:59:01 AM shatterstar
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Aeneas. Son of Venus and one of the few Trojan survivors of the war, he's a minor hero who only has two major scenes (both of which ends with him being rescued by the Gods). And yet the Romans would write [[Literature/TheAeneid a whole epic about him.]]
** Cassandra, who only has one scene in the book but promptly milks it for all its worth. The fact that she is probably [[TheWoobie the second most sympathetic]] to modern audience after Hector also helps. This reaches to the point that her role is usually expanded either by combine with a lot of the other female characters at Troy, wrote her many more scenes or just outright took the scene or combine the work with another one of its sequels.
* FanPreferredCouple: Helen/Hector. Helen is/was the queen of Sparta (though before [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy the Doric invasion and the setting up of the warrior society people associate with the name]]) and derides Paris for letting Hector do all the fighting. Hector is a CrazyAwesome warrior who [[KnightInShiningArmor treats her courteously]], [[HonorBeforeReason even though he has every right not to]]. Since Helen openly wishes that Paris was more like Hector and Andromache is rather flat as a character, you can see where people are coming from.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: EnsembleDarkhorse:
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Aeneas. Son of Venus and one of the few Trojan survivors of the war, he's a minor hero who only has two major scenes (both of which ends with him being rescued by the Gods). And yet the Romans would write [[Literature/TheAeneid a whole epic about him.]]
** Cassandra, who only has one scene in the book but promptly milks it for all its worth. The fact that she is probably [[TheWoobie the second most sympathetic]] to modern audience after Hector also helps. This reaches to the point that her role is usually expanded either by combine with a lot of the other female characters at Troy, wrote her many more scenes or just outright took the scene or / combine the work with another character in one of its sequels.
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Helen/Hector. Helen is/was the queen of Sparta (though before [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy the Doric invasion and the setting up of the warrior society people associate with the name]]) and derides Paris for letting Hector do all the fighting. Hector is a CrazyAwesome warrior who [[KnightInShiningArmor treats her courteously]], [[HonorBeforeReason even though he has every right not to]]. Since Helen openly wishes that Paris was more like Hector and Andromache is rather flat as a character, you can see where people are coming from.from.
** Achilles and Patroclus, even from ancient Greek times. Their scenes together are probably one of the most heart-wrenching in the book.
9th Apr '17 5:21:17 PM Varia_Heimt
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** Some believe Achilles and Patroclus to have been not just best friends, but lovers, which may add another dimension to Achilles' behavior after Patroclus' death. This interpretation is mentioned in Plato's ''Literature/{{Symposium}}'', making it OlderThanFeudalism itself.

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** Some believe Achilles and Patroclus to have been not just best friends, but lovers, which may add another dimension to Achilles' behavior after Patroclus' death. This interpretation is mentioned in Plato's ''Literature/{{Symposium}}'', making it OlderThanFeudalism itself.itself, and more recently was the basis for ''Literature/{{SongOfAchilles}}''.
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