History YMMV / TheGunsOfTheSouth

28th Apr '15 12:51:14 PM Snarf
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* CriticalResearchFailure: On the part of the Rivington men, who failed to anticipate how popular their rations would be among the Confederates. Even more than a lack of arms, the inability to keep the army properly supplied played a huge role in the defeat of the South, something that has been well documented by historians.
6th Dec '14 9:11:36 PM redandready45
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* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: When Robert E. Lee (having acquired an up-time textbook) realises that the Rivington Men do not represent the mainstream of views on race in the future, and he delivers what to Rhoodie must be the ultimate insult: "You and your men are as out of place in your time as John Brown was in mine."

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* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: [[spoiler: When Robert E. Lee (having acquired an up-time textbook) realises that the Rivington Men do not represent the mainstream of views on race in the future, future]], and he delivers what to Rhoodie must be the ultimate insult: "You and your men are as out of place in your time as John Brown was in mine."
19th May '14 3:10:00 PM Snarf
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** [[spoiler:This is also a case of RealityIsUnrealistic, because the Confederates are outraged that anyone would try to assassinate a president in such a way and sure that none of their own people would do such a thing, not knowing that in the original timeline John Wilkes Booth would have done just that to Lincoln. (Although there were no innocents killed there. To be fair that would be hard using a single-shot pistol like Booth did.)]]

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** [[spoiler:This is also a case of RealityIsUnrealistic, because the Confederates are outraged that anyone would try to assassinate a president in such a way and sure that none of their own people would do such a thing, not knowing that in the original timeline John Wilkes Booth would have done just that to Lincoln. (Although Booth acted without the sanction of the Confederate government and there were no innocents killed there. To be fair that would be hard using a single-shot pistol like Booth did.)]]
20th Jan '14 1:30:08 PM TheOneWhoTropes
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* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: [[spoiler:AbrahamLincoln]] sending Lee a telegram of condolence after his wife is killed in the AWB's attack on his inauguration.

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* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: [[spoiler:AbrahamLincoln]] [[spoiler:UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln]] sending Lee a telegram of condolence after his wife is killed in the AWB's attack on his inauguration.
9th Jan '14 5:12:41 PM TVRulezAgain
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* CompleteMonster: Piet Hardie.
** Benjamin Butler, to the Confederates, which is very much TruthInTelevision thanks to the things he did while occupying New Orleans (such as instituting a law saying Confederate women who disrespected Union soldiers would be treated as prostitutes). When he's named one of the peace commissioners, everyone on the Confederate side expresses disgust, and Jeff Davis says that if he didn't have diplomatic immunity he'd gladly have the man arrested and hanged.
19th May '13 7:40:04 PM Tuckerscreator
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* MoralEventHorizon: The AWB crosses this in the eyes of the Confederacy when they attack Lee's inauguration with Uzis in an attempt to kill him, spraying bullets all over the place and killing countless civilians, including Lee's wife Mary.
** This is also a case of RealityIsUnrealistic, because the Confederates are outraged that anyone would try to assassinate a president in such a way and sure that none of their own people would do such a thing, not knowing that in the original timeline John Wilkes Booth would have done just that to Lincoln. (Although there were no innocents killed there. To be fair that would be hard using a single-shot pistol like Booth did.)
*** And that's the point: assassinating a president is bad enough, but it's the deliberate killing of large numbers of innocent civilians in the process that sends the attack clear over into MoralEventHorizon territory.
*** In fact, Lee already did know from the ''Picture History of the Civil War'' that Lincoln had been assassinated, and this very thought flies through his mind during the Richmond Massacre.

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* MoralEventHorizon: The AWB crosses this in the eyes of the Confederacy when they [[spoiler:they attack Lee's inauguration with Uzis in an attempt to kill him, spraying bullets all over the place and killing countless civilians, including Lee's wife Mary.
Mary.]]
** This [[spoiler:This is also a case of RealityIsUnrealistic, because the Confederates are outraged that anyone would try to assassinate a president in such a way and sure that none of their own people would do such a thing, not knowing that in the original timeline John Wilkes Booth would have done just that to Lincoln. (Although there were no innocents killed there. To be fair that would be hard using a single-shot pistol like Booth did.)
)]]
*** And [[spoiler:And that's the point: assassinating a president is bad enough, but it's the deliberate killing of large numbers of innocent civilians in the process that sends the attack clear over into MoralEventHorizon territory.
territory.]]
*** In [[spoiler:In fact, Lee already did know from the ''Picture History of the Civil War'' that Lincoln had been assassinated, and this very thought flies through his mind during the Richmond Massacre.]]
19th May '13 7:36:38 PM Tuckerscreator
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* MoralEventHorizon: The AWB crosses this in the eyes of the Confederacy when attack Lee's inauguration with Uzis in an attempt to kill him, spraying bullets all over the place and killing countless civilians, including Lee's wife Mary.
** This is also a case of RealityIsUnrealistic, because the Confederates are outraged that anyone would try to assassinate a president in such a way and sure that none of their own people would do such a thing, not knowing that in the original timeline John Wilkes Booth would have done just that to Lincoln, although there were no innocents killed there-to be fair that would be hard using a single-shot pistol like Booth did.

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* MoralEventHorizon: The AWB crosses this in the eyes of the Confederacy when they attack Lee's inauguration with Uzis in an attempt to kill him, spraying bullets all over the place and killing countless civilians, including Lee's wife Mary.
** This is also a case of RealityIsUnrealistic, because the Confederates are outraged that anyone would try to assassinate a president in such a way and sure that none of their own people would do such a thing, not knowing that in the original timeline John Wilkes Booth would have done just that to Lincoln, although Lincoln. (Although there were no innocents killed there-to there. To be fair that would be hard using a single-shot pistol like Booth did.)
13th Apr '13 1:15:50 PM Austin
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* AlternateUniverse: Considering that the time machine the AWB possesses can only travel forward and backward exactly 150 years, and considering that the "butterflies" that change historical events must have started flapping their wings as soon as Rhoodie & Company began meeting with various Confederate notables and doling out their future tech, it's possible that the universe in which the events of the book occur is actually a different continuum from the one that the AWB is from. The time travelers might not be aware of this at first, which is why Rhoodie hesitates when Lee asks if the "Rivington men" can supply rations for the Army of Northern Virginia in addition to arms and ammunition.
** Supported by the fact that the AWB's stolen time machine is still obviously operational at the end of the book, the building in which it's housed surrounded by long rows of warehouses containing goods from the future, when [[spoiler:the Confederate Army under Forrest storms Rivington]].



* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: While the second Act of the novel treats him as the primary antagonist, Nathan Bedford Forrest receives surprisingly sympathetic treatment for being the founder of the Ku Klux Klan (which he noticeably ''doesn't'' do in the revised timeline).
18th Jan '13 8:23:23 PM TVRulezAgain
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** And most of the "Rivington men", in Confederate eyes, after the Richmond Massacre (see the MoralEventHorizon entry below).
12th Dec '12 5:39:19 AM jadmire
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** And most of the "Rivington men", in Confederate eyes, after the Richmond Massacre (see the MoralEventHorizon entry below).


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*** And that's the point: assassinating a president is bad enough, but it's the deliberate killing of large numbers of innocent civilians in the process that sends the attack clear over into MoralEventHorizon territory.
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