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** YMMV with that take. The film is not at all true to the book. The dystopia is made out to be inexplicably futuristic, plot elements are mixed and matched throughout and out of order, characters are aged up significantly but given the same childish dialogue and direction, the giver and Jonas’ relationship is very different, many characters are a departure from their original iterations, Fiona’s role is needlessly elevated, the giver and receiver now comically share an obvious tattoo on their wrist (undermining the concept of sameness) and the setting itself is heavily exaggerated to a generic YA society
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** YMMV with that take. The film is not at all true to the book. The dystopia is made out to be inexplicably futuristic, plot elements are mixed and matched throughout and out of order, characters are aged up significantly but given the same childish dialogue and direction, the giver Giver and Jonas’ relationship is very different, many characters are a departure from their original iterations, Fiona’s role is needlessly elevated, the giver Giver and receiver Receiver now comically share an obvious tattoo on their wrist (undermining the concept of sameness) and the setting itself is heavily exaggerated to a generic YA societysociety.
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** It can also be harsh in hindsight given how important results of Meyers-Briggs personality tests are in TheNewTens when it comes to employment.
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** It can also be harsh in hindsight given how important results of Meyers-Briggs Myers-Briggs personality tests are in TheNewTens when it comes to employment.
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Uncanny Valley is IUEO now and the subjective version has been split; cleaning up misuse and ZCE in the process
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** YourMilageMayVary with that take. The film is not at all true to the book. The dystopia is made out to be inexplicably futuristic, plot elements are mixed and matched throughout and out of order, characters are aged up significantly but given the same childish dialogue and direction, the giver and Jonas’ relationship is very different, many characters are a departure from their original iterations, Fiona’s role is needlessly elevated, the giver and receiver now comically share an obvious tattoo on their wrist (undermining the concept of sameness) and the setting itself is heavily exaggerated to a generic YA society
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** YourMilageMayVary YMMV with that take. take. The film is not at all true to the book. The dystopia is made out to be inexplicably futuristic, plot elements are mixed and matched throughout and out of order, characters are aged up significantly but given the same childish dialogue and direction, the giver and Jonas’ relationship is very different, many characters are a departure from their original iterations, Fiona’s role is needlessly elevated, the giver and receiver now comically share an obvious tattoo on their wrist (undermining the concept of sameness) and the setting itself is heavily exaggerated to a generic YA society
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* The film is not at all true to the book. The dystopia is made out to be inexplicably futuristic, plot elements are mixed and matched throughout and out of order, characters are aged up significantly but given the same childish dialogue and direction, the giver and Jonas’ relationship is very different, many characters are a departure from their original iterations, Fiona’s role is needlessly elevated, the giver and receiver now comically share an obvious tattoo on their wrist (undermining the concept of sameness) and the setting itself is heavily exaggerated to a generic YA society
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* The film is not at all true to the book. The dystopia is made out to be inexplicably futuristic, plot elements are mixed and matched throughout and out of order, characters are aged up significantly but given the same childish dialogue and direction, the giver and Jonas’ relationship is very different, many characters are a departure from their original iterations, Fiona’s role is needlessly elevated, the giver and receiver now comically share an obvious tattoo on their wrist (undermining the concept of sameness) and the setting itself is heavily exaggerated to a generic YA society
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*** Not to mention, if Lily had become a nurturer, she would have to Release twins, babies who wouldn't fit into the Community, etc.
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** The community never appears again in the sequels showing what happened [[spoiler:after Jonas ran away with Gabriel. We only see his father suffering AdultFear on realizing his oldest son vanished, feeling ''real'' fear for the first time ever]]. It's never explained [[spoiler:if they are able to change, or if they still exist]].
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** The community never appears again in the sequels showing what happened [[spoiler:after Jonas ran away with Gabriel. We only see his father suffering AdultFear guilt and fear on realizing his oldest son vanished, feeling ''real'' fear for the first time ever]]. It's never explained [[spoiler:if they are able to change, or if they still exist]].
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*** There's also something pretty funny about how, despite the fact that almost all emotion has been wiped away, she's still capable of being a DeadpanSnarker--in fact, most of what she says is snark! One wonders just how snarky she'll manage to be once she has her full range of emotions back.
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* NarmCharm: Fiona's delivery of her lines right before her first kiss is rather stilted. But seeing as she's just experiencing these emotions for the first time, that's actually entirely justified.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Jonas' parents claiming that "do you love me?" is a meaningless question and suggesting a few more specific ones like "do you cherish me?" is treated as a horrifying sign that they [[MeasuringTheMarigolds don't understand love.]] However, it might be argued that a parent who cherishes and takes pride in their child does indeed love that child according to any reasonable definition, and that it's not the worst thing in the world if they prefer to focus on their specific, individual feelings rather than using the blanket term for them.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Jonas' parents claiming that "do you love me?" is a meaningless question and suggesting a few more specific ones like "do you cherish enjoy me?" is treated as a horrifying sign that they [[MeasuringTheMarigolds don't understand love.]] However, it might be argued that a parent who cherishes enjoys and takes pride in their child does indeed love that child according to any reasonable definition, and that it's not the worst thing in the world if they prefer to focus on their specific, individual feelings rather than using the blanket term for them.
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** When Fiona finds Jonas lying on the ground, she asks if he needs immediate assistance in a very dull way, like she's barely interested. While it's justified since she's still brainwashed at this point, the dissonance is funny.
-->'''Jonas:''' Give me your hands. (He looks at the rainbow in the waterfall). Do you see it?
-->'''Fiona:''' Oh my goodness.
-->'''Jonas:''' You see it?
-->'''Fiona:''' Yes. It's water.
*** There's also something pretty funny about how, despite the fact that almost all emotion has been wiped away, she's still capable of being a DeadpanSnarker--in fact, most of what she says is snark! One wonders just how snarky she'll manage to be once she has her full range of emotions back.
-->'''Jonas:''' Give me your hands. (He looks at the rainbow in the waterfall). Do you see it?
-->'''Fiona:''' Oh my goodness.
-->'''Jonas:''' You see it?
-->'''Fiona:''' Yes. It's water.
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* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: In the movie, one of the segments the Community's leaders watch is that of [[spoiler:Fiona and Jonas kissing]]. One of the elder leaders wonders out loud "What are they doing" in a voice as though they were a curious innocent child. Kind of ironic.
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** After giving Jonas his first memory, themovie, one Giver tells Jonas they should go for a walk. Jonas obligingly scoots his chair closer.
-->'''The Giver:''' With your ''legs.''
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-->'''The Giver:''' With your ''legs.''
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* RomanticPlotTumor: The biggest complaint of the movie is the romantic story between Jonas and Fiona that was not in the book. In the book, Jonas merely had a crush on Fiona and the tragedy was that romance was ''impossible'' for them because Fiona was irretrievably brainwashed by the community and even committed "Release" on senior citizens.
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* RomanticPlotTumor: The biggest complaint of the movie is the romantic story between Jonas and Fiona that was not in the book. In the book, Jonas merely had a crush on Fiona and the tragedy was that romance was ''impossible'' for them because Fiona was irretrievably brainwashed by the community and even committed "Release" on senior citizens. Of course, in the book they were also 12 rather than 18, which makes a difference as well.
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'''You'd Expect''': That although no member of the Community can escape camera watch completely, Jonas would move out of direct camera range to kiss Fiona.\\
'''Instead''': He kisses her in full view of the camera, which incriminates him when the Chief Elder brings up all his activity for the past year.\\
'''You'd Expect''': The Chief Elder to choose anyone but Asher, Jonas' best friend, to [[spoiler: find him, and then "accidentally" have him eliminated.]]\\
'''Instead''': She sends Asher, who is not only a rookie drone pilot and probably couldn't be trusted with any job of that magnitude, but also [[spoiler: lets Jonas go.]]\\
'''You'd Expect''': Fiona to try to escape the Nurturing Center empty-handed. Her pursuers already know or can at least infer Jonas has Gabe, and escaping empty-handed would keep Fiona relatively safe.\\
'''Instead''': She grabs, and starts running with, an empty baby carrier. This is ostensibly to throw pursuers off the scent, but it doesn't work and just hastens [[spoiler: their decision to Release her.]]
'''You'd Expect''': That although no member of the Community can escape camera watch completely, Jonas would move out of direct camera range to kiss Fiona.\\
'''Instead''': He kisses her in full view of the camera, which incriminates him when the Chief Elder brings up all his activity for the past year.\\
'''You'd Expect''': The Chief Elder to choose anyone but Asher, Jonas' best friend, to [[spoiler: find him, and then "accidentally" have him eliminated.]]\\
'''Instead''': She sends Asher, who is not only a rookie drone pilot and probably couldn't be trusted with any job of that magnitude, but also [[spoiler: lets Jonas go.]]\\
'''You'd Expect''': Fiona to try to escape the Nurturing Center empty-handed. Her pursuers already know or can at least infer Jonas has Gabe, and escaping empty-handed would keep Fiona relatively safe.\\
'''Instead''': She grabs, and starts running with, an empty baby carrier. This is ostensibly to throw pursuers off the scent, but it doesn't work and just hastens [[spoiler: their decision to Release her.]]
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Despite her huge plot importance and played by big name Taylor Swift, Rosemary only has three seconds of screentime and her importance is mostly in dialogue.
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* AdaptationDisplacement: The trope ReleasedToElsewhere misidentified the book, the TropeNamer no less, as purely a film without any mention of the original book.
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: his daughter Rosemary is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]. Worse yet, the other Elders had him ''watch'' said Release (he turned his head when Rosemary announced that she wanted to inject herself).]] It's painfully obvious that the poor guy hasn't been the same since (really, it's a wonder he didn't lose it completely!). [[spoiler: He even strongly hints that, after he finishes training Jonas, he plans to be Released himself so that he can [[TogetherInDeath be with his daughter]]]].
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: his daughter Rosemary is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]. Worse yet, the other Elders had him ''watch'' said Release (he turned his head when Rosemary announced that she wanted to inject herself).]] It's painfully obvious that the poor guy hasn't been the same since (really, it's a wonder he didn't lose it completely!). [[spoiler: He even strongly hints states that, after he finishes training Jonas, helps the Community adjust to having all the memories after Jonas leaves, he plans intends to be Released himself so that he can [[TogetherInDeath be with his daughter]]]].
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: his daughter Rosemary is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]. Worse yet, the other Elders had him ''watch'' said Release (he turned his head when Rosemary announces that she wants to inject herself).]] It's painfully obvious that the poor guy hasn't been the same since (really, it's a wonder he didn't lose it completely!). [[spoiler: He even strongly hints that, after he finishes training Jonas, he plans to be Released himself so that he can [[TogetherInDeath be with his daughter]]]].
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: his daughter Rosemary is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]. Worse yet, the other Elders had him ''watch'' said Release (he turned his head when Rosemary announces announced that she wants wanted to inject herself).]] It's painfully obvious that the poor guy hasn't been the same since (really, it's a wonder he didn't lose it completely!). [[spoiler: He even strongly hints that, after he finishes training Jonas, he plans to be Released himself so that he can [[TogetherInDeath be with his daughter]]]].
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: his daughter Rosemary is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]. Worse yet, the other Elders have him ''watch'' said Release (he turns his head when Rosemary announces that she wants to inject herself).]] It's painfully obvious that the poor guy hasn't been the same since (really, it's a wonder he didn't lose it completely!). [[spoiler: He even strongly hints that, after he finishes training Jonas, he plans to be Released himself so that he can [[TogetherInDeath be with his daughter]]]].
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: his daughter Rosemary is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]. Worse yet, the other Elders have had him ''watch'' said Release (he turns turned his head when Rosemary announces that she wants to inject herself).]] It's painfully obvious that the poor guy hasn't been the same since (really, it's a wonder he didn't lose it completely!). [[spoiler: He even strongly hints that, after he finishes training Jonas, he plans to be Released himself so that he can [[TogetherInDeath be with his daughter]]]].
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: his daughter Rosemary is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[spoiler: [[DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]. Worse yet, the other Elders have him ''watch'' said Release (he turns his head when Rosemary announces that she wants to inject herself).]] It's painfully obvious that the poor guy hasn't been the same since (really, it's a wonder he didn't lose it completely!). [[spoiler: He even strongly hints that, after he finishes training Jonas, he plans to be Released himself so that he can [[TogetherInDeath be with his daughter]]]].
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: his daughter Rosemary is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[spoiler: [[DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]. Worse yet, the other Elders have him ''watch'' said Release (he turns his head when Rosemary announces that she wants to inject herself).]] It's painfully obvious that the poor guy hasn't been the same since (really, it's a wonder he didn't lose it completely!). [[spoiler: He even strongly hints that, after he finishes training Jonas, he plans to be Released himself so that he can [[TogetherInDeath be with his daughter]]]].
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: his daughter Rosemary is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[spoiler: [[DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]. Worse yet, the other Elders have him ''watch'' said Release (he turns his head when Rosemary announces that she wants to inject herself).]] It's painfully obvious that the poor guy hasn't been the same since (really, it's a wonder he didn't lose it completely!). [[spoiler: He even strongly hints that, after he finishes training Jonas, he plans [[spoiler: to be Released himself so that he can [[TogetherInDeath be with his daughter]]]].
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: his daughter Rosemary is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[spoiler: [[DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]. Worse yet, the other Elders have him ''watch'' said Release (he turns his head when Rosemary announces that she wants to inject herself).]] It's painfully obvious that the poor guy hasn't been the same since (really, it's a wonder he didn't lose it completely!). [[spoiler: He even strongly hints that, after he finishes training Jonas, he plans [[spoiler: to be Released himself so that he can [[TogetherInDeath be with his daughter]]]].
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: his daughter Rosemary]] is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[spoiler: [[DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]]]. Worse yet, the other Elders have him [[spoiler: ''watch'' said Release. He turns his head when Rosemary announces that she wants to inject herself]]. It's painfully obvious that the poor guy hasn't been the same since (really, it's a wonder he didn't lose it completely!). He even strongly hints that, after he finishes training Jonas, he plans [[spoiler: to be Released himself so that he can [[TogetherInDeath be with his daughter]]]].
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: his daughter Rosemary]] Rosemary is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[spoiler: [[DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]]]. herself]]. Worse yet, the other Elders have him [[spoiler: ''watch'' said Release. He Release (he turns his head when Rosemary announces that she wants to inject herself]]. herself).]] It's painfully obvious that the poor guy hasn't been the same since (really, it's a wonder he didn't lose it completely!). [[spoiler: He even strongly hints that, after he finishes training Jonas, he plans [[spoiler: to be Released himself so that he can [[TogetherInDeath be with his daughter]]]].
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: is daughter Rosemary]] is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[spoiler: [[DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]]]. Worse yet, the other Elders have him [[spoiler: ''watch'' said Release. He turns his head when Rosemary announces that she wants to inject herself]]. It's painfully obvious that the poor guy hasn't been the same since (really, it's a wonder he didn't lose it completely!). He even strongly hints that, after he finishes training Jonas, he plans [[spoiler: to be Released himself so that he can [[TogetherInDeath be with his daughter]]]].
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: is his daughter Rosemary]] is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[spoiler: [[DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]]]. Worse yet, the other Elders have him [[spoiler: ''watch'' said Release. He turns his head when Rosemary announces that she wants to inject herself]]. It's painfully obvious that the poor guy hasn't been the same since (really, it's a wonder he didn't lose it completely!). He even strongly hints that, after he finishes training Jonas, he plans [[spoiler: to be Released himself so that he can [[TogetherInDeath be with his daughter]]]].
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: is daughter Rosemary]] is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[spoiler: [[DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]]]. Worse yet, the other Elders have him [[spoiler: ''watch'' said Release. He turns his head when she announces that she wants to inject herself]]. It's painfully obvious that the poor guy hasn't been the same since (really, it's a wonder he didn't lose it completely!). He even strongly hints that, after he finishes training Jonas, he plans [[spoiler: to be Released himself so that he can [[TogetherInDeath be with his daughter]]]].
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: is daughter Rosemary]] is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[spoiler: [[DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]]]. Worse yet, the other Elders have him [[spoiler: ''watch'' said Release. He turns his head when she Rosemary announces that she wants to inject herself]]. It's painfully obvious that the poor guy hasn't been the same since (really, it's a wonder he didn't lose it completely!). He even strongly hints that, after he finishes training Jonas, he plans [[spoiler: to be Released himself so that he can [[TogetherInDeath be with his daughter]]]].
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: is daughter Rosemary]] is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[spoiler: [[DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]]]. Worse yet, the other Elders have him [[''watch'' said Release. He turns his head when she announces that she wants to inject herself]]. It's painfully obvious that the poor guy hasn't been the same since (really, it's a wonder he didn't lose it completely!). He even strongly hints that, after he finishes training Jonas, he plans [[spoiler: to be Released himself so that he can [[TogetherInDeath be with his daughter]]]].
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: is daughter Rosemary]] is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[spoiler: [[DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]]]. Worse yet, the other Elders have him [[''watch'' [[spoiler: ''watch'' said Release. He turns his head when she announces that she wants to inject herself]]. It's painfully obvious that the poor guy hasn't been the same since (really, it's a wonder he didn't lose it completely!). He even strongly hints that, after he finishes training Jonas, he plans [[spoiler: to be Released himself so that he can [[TogetherInDeath be with his daughter]]]].
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: is daughter Rosemary]] is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[spoiler: [[DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]]]. Worse yet, the other Elders have him [[''watch'' said Release. He turns his head when she announces that she wants to inject herself]]. It's painfully obvious that the poor guy hasn't been the same since (really, it's a wonder he didn't lose it completely!). He even strongly hints that, after he finishes training Jonas, he plans [[to be Released himself so that he can [[TogetherInDeath be with his daughter]]]].
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: is daughter Rosemary]] is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[spoiler: [[DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]]]. Worse yet, the other Elders have him [[''watch'' said Release. He turns his head when she announces that she wants to inject herself]]. It's painfully obvious that the poor guy hasn't been the same since (really, it's a wonder he didn't lose it completely!). He even strongly hints that, after he finishes training Jonas, he plans [[to [[spoiler: to be Released himself so that he can [[TogetherInDeath be with his daughter]]]].
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: is daughter Rosemary]] is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "Broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[spoiler: [[DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]]]. So now the Giver must live with the knowledge that [[spoiler: he caused ''his own child'' so much pain and suffering that she actually KILLED herself]] over it]].
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: is daughter Rosemary]] is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "Broke "broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[spoiler: [[DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]]]. So now Worse yet, the Giver must live with the knowledge that [[spoiler: he caused ''his own child'' so much pain and suffering other Elders have him [[''watch'' said Release. He turns his head when she announces that she actually KILLED herself]] over it]]. wants to inject herself]]. It's painfully obvious that the poor guy hasn't been the same since (really, it's a wonder he didn't lose it completely!). He even strongly hints that, after he finishes training Jonas, he plans [[to be Released himself so that he can [[TogetherInDeath be with his daughter]]]].
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: is daughter Rosemary]] is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "Broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[spoiler: [[ DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]]]. So now the Giver must live with the knowledge that [[spoiler: he caused ''his own child'' so much pain and suffering that she actually KILLED herself]] over it]].
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** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: is daughter Rosemary]] is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "Broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[spoiler: [[ DrivenToSuicide [[DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]]]. So now the Giver must live with the knowledge that [[spoiler: he caused ''his own child'' so much pain and suffering that she actually KILLED herself]] over it]].
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** [[spoiler:Poor, poor Rosemary... She received several happy memories from the Giver, but, then, she's so horrified by some of the painful ones that [[she [[DrivenToSuicide asks for Release]]]]. And she even ''injects herself.'']]
** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: is daughter Rosemary]] is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "Broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[spoiler: [[ DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]]]. So now the Giver must live with the knowledge that [[spoiler: he caused ''his own child'' so much pain and suffering that she actually KILLED herself]] over it]].
** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: is daughter Rosemary]] is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "Broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[spoiler: [[ DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]]]. So now the Giver must live with the knowledge that [[spoiler: he caused ''his own child'' so much pain and suffering that she actually KILLED herself]] over it]].
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** [[spoiler:Poor, poor Rosemary... She received several happy memories from the Giver, but, then, she's so horrified by some of the painful ones that [[she she [[DrivenToSuicide asks for Release]]]].Release]]. And she even ''injects herself.'']]
** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: is daughter Rosemary]] is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "Broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[spoiler: [[ DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]]]. So now the Giver must live with the knowledge that [[spoiler: he caused ''his own child'' so much pain and suffering that she actually KILLED herself]] over it]].
** The Giver definitely qualifies as well (in fact, he arguably has it worse than the other two COMBINED!). First off, he ALONE must carry all of society's memories, good and bad, whilst living apart from the rest of the Community (not that they could understand and be of any help anyway). And then [[spoiler: is daughter Rosemary]] is selected to be the next receiver and he is forced to transmit those memories to her. He gave her only positive ones at first, but was finally forced to face reality and start giving her the painful ones (which, he later tells Jonas, "Broke [his] heart"). After just five weeks, she is unable to bear the burden any longer and [[spoiler: [[ DrivenToSuicide Releases herself]]]]. So now the Giver must live with the knowledge that [[spoiler: he caused ''his own child'' so much pain and suffering that she actually KILLED herself]] over it]].
