History YMMV / TheGiver

28th Mar '16 6:14:19 PM Anddrix
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* FollowTheLeader: The film is one of the many film adaptations of YoungAdult books with dystopian settings, spawned from the success of ''Film/TheHungerGames''.
28th Mar '16 7:00:33 AM ayjazz
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* FollowTheLeader: The film is one of the many film adaptations of YoungAdult books with dystopian settings, spawned from the success of ''Film/TheHungerGames''.
12th Feb '16 12:52:22 AM Anddrix
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* HarsherInHindsight: Doubly so. One inspiration for the story was Lois Lowry's conversations with her son, a USAF fighter pilot, prior to the Persian Gulf War. Her son would later die in a plane crash after the novel's publication.
** It gets harsher when you know the details and background events. The novel opens with a plane flying low over the community. A few years after the novel was published, a USAF pilot, who was known for low overflights and showing off [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash crashed his plane, killing all on board]]. Later in the novel, the Giver told Jonas of how wars had been started when planes were fired on by mistake. Also a few years after the novel was published, two US fighter jets misidentified two US Army Blackhawk helicopters and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Black_Hawk_shootdown_incident shot them down, killing all on board]]. These two incidents resulted in a push for greater accountability among USAF personnel. On May 30, 1995, Major Donald Lowry's F-15 crashed. The cause: two airmen had misconnected two control rods. The Air Force sought to prosecute the two airmen involved, despite evidence that the Air Force knew of the potential for such an accident and had done nothing to fix it. They sought the Lowry family to testify for stiff punishment of the men involved, but the Lowrys wrote a letter asking for leniency. The day the court-martial was to begin, one of the airmen charged left the base and headed to a wooded location he frequented. The airman's father and other Air Force personnel joined a search. The airman in question was in a hunting shack. As his commander approached, he shot himself in the head. He left a note for the Lowrys, in which he stated, [[http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,135113,00.html "I know I am going to heaven. And in heaven I cannot hurt anyone else, not even by accident."]]

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* HarsherInHindsight: Doubly so. One inspiration for the story was Lois Lowry's conversations with her son, a USAF fighter pilot, prior to the Persian Gulf War. Her son would later die in a plane crash after the novel's publication.
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It gets harsher when you know the details and background events. The novel opens with a plane flying low over the community. A few years after the novel was published, a USAF pilot, who was known for low overflights and showing off [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash crashed his plane, killing all on board]]. Later in the novel, the Giver told Jonas of how wars had been started when planes were fired on by mistake. Also a few years after the novel was published, two US fighter jets misidentified two US Army Blackhawk helicopters and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Black_Hawk_shootdown_incident shot them down, killing all on board]]. These two incidents resulted in a push for greater accountability among USAF personnel. On May 30, 1995, Major Donald Lowry's F-15 crashed. The cause: two airmen had misconnected two control rods. The Air Force sought to prosecute the two airmen involved, despite evidence that the Air Force knew of the potential for such an accident and had done nothing to fix it. They sought the Lowry family to testify for stiff punishment of the men involved, but the Lowrys wrote a letter asking for leniency. The day the court-martial was to begin, one of the airmen charged left the base and headed to a wooded location he frequented. The airman's father and other Air Force personnel joined a search. The airman in question was in a hunting shack. As his commander approached, he shot himself in the head. He left a note for the Lowrys, in which he stated, [[http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,135113,00.html "I know I am going to heaven. And in heaven I cannot hurt anyone else, not even by accident."]]
11th Feb '16 5:09:08 PM orvillethird
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** It gets harsher when you know the details and background events. The novel opens with a plane flying low over the community. A few years after the novel was published, a USAF pilot, who was known for low overflights and showing off [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash crashed his plane, killing all on board]]. Later in the novel, the Giver told Jonas of how wars had been started when planes were fired on by mistake. Also a few years after the novel was published, two US fighter jets misidentified two US Army Blackhawk helicopters and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash shot them down, killing all on board]]. These two incidents resulted in a push for greater accountability among USAF personnel. On May 30, 1995, Major Donald Lowry's F-15 crashed. The cause: two airmen had misconnected two control rods. The Air Force sought to prosecute the two airmen involved, despite evidence that the Air Force knew of the potential for such an accident and had done nothing to fix it. They sought the Lowry family to testify for stiff punishment of the men involved, but the Lowrys wrote a letter asking for leniency. The day the court-martial was to begin, one of the airmen charged left the base and headed to a wooded location he frequented. The airman's father and other Air Force personnel joined a search. The airman in question was in a hunting shack. As his commander approached, he shot himself in the head. He left a note for the Lowrys, in which he stated, [[http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,135113,00.html "I know I am going to heaven. And in heaven I cannot hurt anyone else, not even by accident."]]

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** It gets harsher when you know the details and background events. The novel opens with a plane flying low over the community. A few years after the novel was published, a USAF pilot, who was known for low overflights and showing off [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash crashed his plane, killing all on board]]. Later in the novel, the Giver told Jonas of how wars had been started when planes were fired on by mistake. Also a few years after the novel was published, two US fighter jets misidentified two US Army Blackhawk helicopters and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash org/wiki/1994_Black_Hawk_shootdown_incident shot them down, killing all on board]]. These two incidents resulted in a push for greater accountability among USAF personnel. On May 30, 1995, Major Donald Lowry's F-15 crashed. The cause: two airmen had misconnected two control rods. The Air Force sought to prosecute the two airmen involved, despite evidence that the Air Force knew of the potential for such an accident and had done nothing to fix it. They sought the Lowry family to testify for stiff punishment of the men involved, but the Lowrys wrote a letter asking for leniency. The day the court-martial was to begin, one of the airmen charged left the base and headed to a wooded location he frequented. The airman's father and other Air Force personnel joined a search. The airman in question was in a hunting shack. As his commander approached, he shot himself in the head. He left a note for the Lowrys, in which he stated, [[http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,135113,00.html "I know I am going to heaven. And in heaven I cannot hurt anyone else, not even by accident."]]
11th Feb '16 5:06:37 PM orvillethird
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** It gets harsher when you know the details ad background events. The novel opens with a plane flying low over the community. A few years after the novel was published, a USAF pilot, who was known for low overflights and showing off [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash crashed his plane, killing all on board]]. Later in the novel, the Giver told Jonas of how wars had been started when planes were fired on by mistake. Also a few years after the novel was published, two US fighter jets misidentified two US Army Blackhawk helicopters and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash shot them down, killing all on board]]. These two incidents resulted in a push for greater accountability among USAF personnel. On May 30, 1995, Major Donald Lowry's F-15 crashed. The cause: two airmen had misconnected two control rods. The Air Force sought to prosecute the two airmen involved, despite evidence that the Air Force knew of the potential for such an accident and had done nothing to fix it. They sought the Lowry family to testify for stiff punishment of the men involved, but the Lowrys wrote a letter asking for leniency. The day the court-martial was to begin, one of the airmen charged left the base and headed to a wooded location he frequented. The airman's father and other Air Force personnel joined a search. The airman in question was in a hunting shack. As his commander approached, he shot himself in the head. He left a note for the Lowrys, in which he stated, [[http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,135113,00.html "I know I am going to heaven. And in heaven I cannot hurt anyone else, not even by accident."]]

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** It gets harsher when you know the details ad and background events. The novel opens with a plane flying low over the community. A few years after the novel was published, a USAF pilot, who was known for low overflights and showing off [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash crashed his plane, killing all on board]]. Later in the novel, the Giver told Jonas of how wars had been started when planes were fired on by mistake. Also a few years after the novel was published, two US fighter jets misidentified two US Army Blackhawk helicopters and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash shot them down, killing all on board]]. These two incidents resulted in a push for greater accountability among USAF personnel. On May 30, 1995, Major Donald Lowry's F-15 crashed. The cause: two airmen had misconnected two control rods. The Air Force sought to prosecute the two airmen involved, despite evidence that the Air Force knew of the potential for such an accident and had done nothing to fix it. They sought the Lowry family to testify for stiff punishment of the men involved, but the Lowrys wrote a letter asking for leniency. The day the court-martial was to begin, one of the airmen charged left the base and headed to a wooded location he frequented. The airman's father and other Air Force personnel joined a search. The airman in question was in a hunting shack. As his commander approached, he shot himself in the head. He left a note for the Lowrys, in which he stated, [[http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,135113,00.html "I know I am going to heaven. And in heaven I cannot hurt anyone else, not even by accident."]]
11th Feb '16 5:06:12 PM orvillethird
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* HarsherInHindsight: Doubly so. One inspiration for the story was Lois Lowry's conversations with her son, a USAF fighter pilot, prior to the Persian Gulf War. Her son would later die in a plane crash after the novel's publication.
** It gets harsher when you know the details ad background events. The novel opens with a plane flying low over the community. A few years after the novel was published, a USAF pilot, who was known for low overflights and showing off [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash crashed his plane, killing all on board]]. Later in the novel, the Giver told Jonas of how wars had been started when planes were fired on by mistake. Also a few years after the novel was published, two US fighter jets misidentified two US Army Blackhawk helicopters and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash shot them down, killing all on board]]. These two incidents resulted in a push for greater accountability among USAF personnel. On May 30, 1995, Major Donald Lowry's F-15 crashed. The cause: two airmen had misconnected two control rods. The Air Force sought to prosecute the two airmen involved, despite evidence that the Air Force knew of the potential for such an accident and had done nothing to fix it. They sought the Lowry family to testify for stiff punishment of the men involved, but the Lowrys wrote a letter asking for leniency. The day the court-martial was to begin, one of the airmen charged left the base and headed to a wooded location he frequented. The airman's father and other Air Force personnel joined a search. The airman in question was in a hunting shack. As his commander approached, he shot himself in the head. He left a note for the Lowrys, in which he stated, [[http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,135113,00.html "I know I am going to heaven. And in heaven I cannot hurt anyone else, not even by accident."]]
6th Sep '15 9:17:53 AM Anddrix
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* SoOkayItsAverage: Seems to be the consensus.
* TaintedByThePreview: The fans are ''not'' happy about the movie's trailer. If you didn't know better, you'd swear it was actually a parody of InNameOnly adaptations that only exist to jump on the bandwagon of young adult dystopias. This lightened up a bit on the movie's release, as it's ''far'' less action-heavy and more true to the book than the trailers let on. That said, the film still ended up receiving predominantly mixed-to-negative reviews.

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%% * SoOkayItsAverage: Seems to be the consensus.
* TaintedByThePreview: The fans are ''not'' happy about the movie's trailer. If you didn't know better, you'd swear it was actually a parody of InNameOnly adaptations that only exist to jump on the bandwagon of young adult dystopias. This lightened up a bit on the movie's release, as it's ''far'' less action-heavy and more true to the book than the trailers let on. That said, the film still ended up receiving predominantly mixed-to-negative reviews.reviews.
* WhatAnIdiot:\\
'''You'd Expect''': That although no member of the Community can escape camera watch completely, Jonas would move out of direct camera range to kiss Fiona.\\
'''Instead''': He kisses her in full view of the camera, which incriminates him when the Chief Elder brings up all his activity for the past year.\\
'''You'd Expect''': The Chief Elder to choose anyone but Asher, Jonas' best friend, to [[spoiler: find him, and then "accidentally" have him eliminated.]]\\
'''Instead''': She sends Asher, who is not only a rookie drone pilot and probably couldn't be trusted with any job of that magnitude, but also [[spoiler: lets Jonas go.]]\\
'''You'd Expect''': Fiona to try to escape the Nurturing Center empty-handed. Her pursuers already know or can at least infer Jonas has Gabe, and escaping empty-handed would keep Fiona relatively safe.\\
'''Instead''': She grabs, and starts running with, an empty baby carrier. This is ostensibly to throw pursuers off the scent, but it doesn't work and just hastens [[spoiler: their decision to Release her.]]
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29th Aug '15 8:11:08 AM Anddrix
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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Occurs in both the book and the film. Not only does the Community decide to Release baby Gabe [[spoiler: which is code for euthanasia, due to his ostensible developmental delays]], but they expect Jonas' father, who has cared for Gabe from day one and ''had the kid in his house'' to do it!
28th Aug '15 4:06:05 PM EnglishGuruLady
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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Occurs in both the book and the film. Not only does the Community decide to Release baby Gabe [[spoiler: which is code for euthanasia, due to his ostensible developmental delays]], but they expect Jonas' father, who has cared for Gabe from day one and ''had the kid in his house'' to do it!
23rd Jul '15 2:31:14 AM Xythos
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Given her expanded role, Chief Elder is subjected to this. Does she truly believe in what she preaches or is she more interested in power? Is it possible that she was [[spoiler: Rosemary's mother]] and that [[spoiler: her daughter's death]] played a role in shaping her character?
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