History YMMV / TheGiver

14th Apr '18 3:31:15 PM OrangenChan
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* HarsherInHindsight: One inspiration for the story was Lois Lowry's conversations with her son, a USAF fighter pilot, prior to the Persian Gulf War. Her son would later go on to die in a plane crash after the novel's publication. It gets harsher when you know the details and background events. The novel opens with a plane flying low over the community. A few years after the novel was published, a USAF pilot, who was known for low overflights and showing off,[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash crashed his plane, killing all on board]]. Later in the novel, the Giver told Jonas of how wars had been started when planes were fired on by mistake. Also a few years after the novel was published, two US fighter jets misidentified two US Army Blackhawk helicopters and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Black_Hawk_shootdown_incident shot them down, killing all on board]]. These two incidents resulted in a push for greater accountability among USAF personnel. On May 30, 1995, Major Donald Lowry's F-15 crashed. The cause: two airmen had misconnected two control rods. The Air Force sought to prosecute the two airmen involved, despite evidence that the Air Force knew of the potential for such an accident and had done nothing to fix it. They sought the Lowry family to testify for stiff punishment of the men involved, but the Lowrys wrote a letter asking for leniency. The day the court-martial was to begin, one of the airmen charged left the base and headed to a wooded location he frequented. The airman's father and other Air Force personnel joined a search. The airman in question was in a hunting shack. As his commander approached, he shot himself in the head. He left a note for the Lowrys, in which he stated, [[http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,135113,00.html "I know I am going to heaven. And in heaven I cannot hurt anyone else, not even by accident."]]

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One inspiration for the story was Lois Lowry's conversations with her son, a USAF fighter pilot, prior to the Persian Gulf War. Her son would later go on to die in a plane crash after the novel's publication. It gets harsher when you know the details and background events. The novel opens with a plane flying low over the community. A few years after the novel was published, a USAF pilot, who was known for low overflights and showing off,[[https://en.off, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash crashed his plane, killing all on board]]. Later in the novel, the Giver told Jonas of how wars had been started when planes were fired on by mistake. Also a few years after the novel was published, two US fighter jets misidentified two US Army Blackhawk helicopters and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Black_Hawk_shootdown_incident shot them down, killing all on board]]. These two incidents resulted in a push for greater accountability among USAF personnel. On May 30, 1995, Major Donald Lowry's F-15 crashed. The cause: two airmen had misconnected two control rods. The Air Force sought to prosecute the two airmen involved, despite evidence that the Air Force knew of the potential for such an accident and had done nothing to fix it. They sought the Lowry family to testify for stiff punishment of the men involved, but the Lowrys wrote a letter asking for leniency. The day the court-martial was to begin, one of the airmen charged left the base and headed to a wooded location he frequented. The airman's father and other Air Force personnel joined a search. The airman in question was in a hunting shack. As his commander approached, he shot himself in the head. He left a note for the Lowrys, in which he stated, [[http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,135113,00.html "I know I am going to heaven. And in heaven I cannot hurt anyone else, not even by accident."]]
8th Apr '18 7:26:33 PM BenDover
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Who woulda guessed Asher would later become the clown-themed bringer of disorder and anarchy?
26th Feb '18 12:22:38 AM lalalei2001
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* DrivenToSuicide: [[spoiler: Rosemary. She couldn't take the horrors of the memories she received, and applied for Release, which, unknown to most of the characters, is a lethal injection. And she knew exactly what it was—she asked to perform the injection herself. This prompted the community to add a new rule: In the future, Receivers of Memory cannot ask to be released. It's even sadder when it's revealed she was the Giver's ''own daughter.'']]
* FirstInstallmentWins: Almost no one knows that the book has three sequels, rendering all those English essays about the "ambiguous" ending completely moot. One of the "sequels" only barely references the book, another is plenty ambiguous itself, but the third clearly explains the ending of the original.

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* DrivenToSuicide: [[spoiler: Rosemary. She couldn't take the horrors of the memories she received, and applied for Release, which, unknown to most of the characters, is a lethal injection. And she knew exactly what it was—she asked to perform the injection herself. This prompted the community to add a new rule: In the future, Receivers of Memory cannot ask to be released. It's even sadder when it's revealed she was the Giver's ''own daughter.'']]
* FirstInstallmentWins: Almost no one knows that the The book has three sequels, rendering all those English essays about the "ambiguous" ambiguous ending completely moot. One of the "sequels" sequels only barely references the book, another is plenty ambiguous itself, but the third clearly explains the ending of the original.original and references it heavily.
23rd Feb '18 1:32:30 PM Purplestuff2003
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** [[spoiler:Poor, poor Rosemary... She received several happy memories from the Giver, but, then, she's so horrified by some of the painful ones that she [[DrivenToSuicide asks for Release]]. And she even ''injects herself.'']

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** [[spoiler:Poor, poor Rosemary... She received several happy memories from the Giver, but, then, she's so horrified by some of the painful ones that she [[DrivenToSuicide asks for Release]]. And she even ''injects herself.'']
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23rd Feb '18 1:26:21 PM Purplestuff2003
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* DrivenToSuicide: [[spoiler: Rosemary. She couldn't take the horrors of the memories she received, and applied for Release, which, unknown to most of the characters, is a lethal injection. And she knew exactly what it was—she asked to perform the injection herself. This prompted the community to add a new rule: In the future, Receivers of Memory cannot ask to be released.]]

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* DrivenToSuicide: [[spoiler: Rosemary. She couldn't take the horrors of the memories she received, and applied for Release, which, unknown to most of the characters, is a lethal injection. And she knew exactly what it was—she asked to perform the injection herself. This prompted the community to add a new rule: In the future, Receivers of Memory cannot ask to be released.]] It's even sadder when it's revealed she was the Giver's ''own daughter.'']]
23rd Feb '18 1:22:31 PM Purplestuff2003
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* DrivenToSuicide: [[spoiler: Rosemary. She received several happy memories from the Giver, but, she's so horrified by some of the painful ones that she asks for Release. And she even ''injects herself.'']]

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* DrivenToSuicide: [[spoiler: Rosemary. She received several happy couldn't take the horrors of the memories from the Giver, but, she's so horrified by some she received, and applied for Release, which, unknown to most of the painful ones that she asks for Release. characters, is a lethal injection. And she even ''injects herself.'']] knew exactly what it was—she asked to perform the injection herself. This prompted the community to add a new rule: In the future, Receivers of Memory cannot ask to be released.]]
23rd Feb '18 1:18:33 PM Purplestuff2003
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* DrivenToSuicide: [[spoiler: Rosemary. She received several happy memories from the Giver, but, she's so horrified by some of the painful ones that she asks for Release. And she even ''injects herself.'']]
23rd Feb '18 1:16:42 PM Purplestuff2003
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* HarsherInHindsight: One inspiration for the story was Lois Lowry's conversations with her son, a USAF fighter pilot, prior to the Persian Gulf War. Her son would later die in a plane crash after the novel's publication.\\
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It gets harsher when you know the details and background events. The novel opens with a plane flying low over the community. A few years after the novel was published, a USAF pilot, who was known for low overflights and showing off [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash crashed his plane, killing all on board]]. Later in the novel, the Giver told Jonas of how wars had been started when planes were fired on by mistake. Also a few years after the novel was published, two US fighter jets misidentified two US Army Blackhawk helicopters and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Black_Hawk_shootdown_incident shot them down, killing all on board]]. These two incidents resulted in a push for greater accountability among USAF personnel. On May 30, 1995, Major Donald Lowry's F-15 crashed. The cause: two airmen had misconnected two control rods. The Air Force sought to prosecute the two airmen involved, despite evidence that the Air Force knew of the potential for such an accident and had done nothing to fix it. They sought the Lowry family to testify for stiff punishment of the men involved, but the Lowrys wrote a letter asking for leniency. The day the court-martial was to begin, one of the airmen charged left the base and headed to a wooded location he frequented. The airman's father and other Air Force personnel joined a search. The airman in question was in a hunting shack. As his commander approached, he shot himself in the head. He left a note for the Lowrys, in which he stated, [[http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,135113,00.html "I know I am going to heaven. And in heaven I cannot hurt anyone else, not even by accident."]]

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* HarsherInHindsight: One inspiration for the story was Lois Lowry's conversations with her son, a USAF fighter pilot, prior to the Persian Gulf War. Her son would later go on to die in a plane crash after the novel's publication.\\
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publication. It gets harsher when you know the details and background events. The novel opens with a plane flying low over the community. A few years after the novel was published, a USAF pilot, who was known for low overflights and showing off [[https://en.off,[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash crashed his plane, killing all on board]]. Later in the novel, the Giver told Jonas of how wars had been started when planes were fired on by mistake. Also a few years after the novel was published, two US fighter jets misidentified two US Army Blackhawk helicopters and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Black_Hawk_shootdown_incident shot them down, killing all on board]]. These two incidents resulted in a push for greater accountability among USAF personnel. On May 30, 1995, Major Donald Lowry's F-15 crashed. The cause: two airmen had misconnected two control rods. The Air Force sought to prosecute the two airmen involved, despite evidence that the Air Force knew of the potential for such an accident and had done nothing to fix it. They sought the Lowry family to testify for stiff punishment of the men involved, but the Lowrys wrote a letter asking for leniency. The day the court-martial was to begin, one of the airmen charged left the base and headed to a wooded location he frequented. The airman's father and other Air Force personnel joined a search. The airman in question was in a hunting shack. As his commander approached, he shot himself in the head. He left a note for the Lowrys, in which he stated, [[http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,135113,00.html "I know I am going to heaven. And in heaven I cannot hurt anyone else, not even by accident."]]



** Jonas. The poor guy eventually starts to break down, when he realizes that he can't express the new things he knows and feels to his friends or family. His best friend becomes impatient with him after inadvertently triggering Jonas's memory of dying in a war and brushes it off when Jonas tries to explain why he's upset. Jonas's parents scold him for using imprecise language when he asks them "do you love me?" And then, [[spoiler:he finds out that his father--a kind man who Jonas always thought of as being good with kids--cheerfully euthanizes babies who don't measure up to the community's criteria. Even worse, he learns that his dad has every intention of doing this to a baby that had been living in their house and who they'd all been bonding with.]] Jeez!
** [[spoiler:Poor, poor Rosemary... She received several happy memories from the Giver, but, then, she's so horrified by some of the painful ones that she [[DrivenToSuicide asks for Release]]. And she even ''injects herself''.]]

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** Jonas. The poor guy eventually starts to break down, when he realizes that he can't express the new things he knows and feels to his friends or family. His best friend becomes impatient with him after inadvertently triggering Jonas's memory of dying in a war and brushes it off when Jonas tries to explain why he's upset. Jonas's parents scold him for using imprecise language when he asks them "do you love me?" And then, [[spoiler:he finds out that his father--a kind man who Jonas always thought of as being good with kids--cheerfully euthanizes babies who don't measure up to the community's criteria. Even worse, he learns that his dad has every intention of doing this to a baby that had been living in their house for a while and who they'd all been bonding with.]] Jeez!
** [[spoiler:Poor, poor Rosemary... She received several happy memories from the Giver, but, then, she's so horrified by some of the painful ones that she [[DrivenToSuicide asks for Release]]. And she even ''injects herself''.]]
herself.'']
23rd Feb '18 1:11:57 PM Purplestuff2003
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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: In the movie, one of the segments the Community's leaders watch is that of [[Fiona and Jonas kissing]]. One of the elder leaders wonders out loud "What are they doing" in a voice as though they were a curious innocent child. Kind of ironic.

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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: In the movie, one of the segments the Community's leaders watch is that of [[Fiona [[spoiler: Fiona and Jonas kissing]]. One of the elder leaders wonders out loud "What are they doing" in a voice as though they were a curious innocent child. Kind of ironic.
15th Jan '18 7:39:43 PM H8FearADRLuv
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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: In the movie, one of the segments the Community's leaders watch is that of [[Fiona and Jonas kissing]]. One of the elder leaders wonders out loud "What are they doing" in a voice as though they were a curious innocent child. Kind of ironic.
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