History YMMV / TheFamiliarOfZero

21st Mar '16 10:26:13 AM REV6Pilot
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* BaseBreaker: Louise and Saito ''both'' qualify, depending on who you ask. Louise has the DomesticAbuse angle and Saito gets the WishFullfillment angle that Light Novel heroes often get.

to:

* BaseBreaker: Louise and Saito ''both'' qualify, depending on who you ask. Louise has the DomesticAbuse angle and Saito gets the WishFullfillment WishFulfillment angle that Light Novel heroes often get.
21st Mar '16 10:25:57 AM REV6Pilot
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* BetterThanCanon: Has a lot of {{Fix Fic}}s due to the TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot below that replace Saito with characters from [[CrossOver other stories]], or more relatable versions of him. [[FanficRecs/FamiliarofZero We have a compendium here]].

to:

* BetterThanCanon: Has a lot of {{Fix Fic}}s due to the TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot below that replace Saito with characters from [[CrossOver other stories]], or more relatable versions of him. [[FanficRecs/FamiliarofZero [[FanficRecs/TheFamiliarofZero We have a compendium here]].
21st Mar '16 10:25:35 AM REV6Pilot
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* BaseBreaker: Louise and Saito ''both'' qualify, depending on who you ask. Louise has the DomesticAbuse angle and Saito gets the "wish fulliment" angle that Light Novel heroes often get.
* BetterThanCanon: Has a lot of {{FixFic}}s due to the TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot below that replace Saito with characters from [[CrossOver other stories.]]
* ColbertBump: The series saw a ''huge'' upswing in popularity on the [[{{Spacebattles}} Spacebattles]] Creative Writing board after ''Fanfic/TheHillOfSwords'' showed up on the Fanfiction Recommendations thread. Prior to that, it had been an almost complete unknown in the community, now SB is effectively the epicenter of the [=ZnT=] fanfiction community.

to:

* BaseBreaker: Louise and Saito ''both'' qualify, depending on who you ask. Louise has the DomesticAbuse angle and Saito gets the "wish fulliment" WishFullfillment angle that Light Novel heroes often get.
* BetterThanCanon: Has a lot of {{FixFic}}s {{Fix Fic}}s due to the TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot below that replace Saito with characters from [[CrossOver other stories.]]
stories]], or more relatable versions of him. [[FanficRecs/FamiliarofZero We have a compendium here]].
* ColbertBump: The series saw a ''huge'' upswing in popularity on the [[{{Spacebattles}} Spacebattles]] Creative Writing board after ''Fanfic/TheHillOfSwords'' showed up on the Fanfiction Recommendations thread. Prior to that, it had been an almost complete unknown in the community, community; now SB is effectively the epicenter of the [=ZnT=] fanfiction community.



** Siesta treats Saito much better than Louise, but is ''loathed'' by fandom for that. Part of the reason is flanderization in the anime.
** Louise suffers from the people who like Siesta over her or Kirche or Tiffania or Henrietta and Tabitha. Louise isn't popular among the fans of the others in the female cast.
* DracoInLeatherPants: Fanfiction tends to do this a lot for any number of characters in the series. Whether it applies to Saito or Louise probably falls under the RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement, but Kirche at least tends to get her character development moved forward so that she starts the series as, say, VitriolicBestBuds with Louise rather than the AlphaBitch.

to:

** Siesta treats Saito much better than Louise, but is ''loathed'' by fandom for that. Part of the reason is flanderization {{flanderization}} in the anime.
** Louise suffers from the people who like Siesta over her or Kirche or Tiffania or Henrietta and Tabitha.or Tabitha or anyone else over her. Louise isn't popular among the fans of the others in the female cast.
* DracoInLeatherPants: Fanfiction tends Fanfics tend to do this a lot for any number of characters in the series. Whether it applies to Saito or Louise probably falls under the RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement, but Kirche at least tends to get her character development moved forward so that she starts the series as, say, VitriolicBestBuds with Louise rather than the a mere AlphaBitch.



* GeniusBonus: If you can read runes, you can identify Saito as Gandalf long before Colbert.

to:

* GeniusBonus: If you can read runes, you can identify Saito as Gandalf Gandálfr long before Colbert.



* MoralEventHorizon: There are fans that believe Louise crossed this the first time she whipped/exploded Saito or the Nth time afterward.
** Saito's {{attempted rape}} of Louise even moreso.

to:

* MoralEventHorizon: MoralEventHorizon:
**
There are fans that believe Louise crossed this the first time she whipped/exploded Saito Saito... or the Nth time afterward.
** Saito's {{attempted rape}} of Louise even moreso.Louise.



** Louise's scrappiness is often removed in fanfiction. It was done first by ''FanFic/TheHillOfSwords'' and then by [[FollowTheLeader about 99.9% of all [=ZnT=] fanfics that came after it]].
* TheyJustDidntCare: Even though the first season was was dubbed, and despite Creator/CristinaValenzuela stating twitter that she expressed interest in reprising Louise, Creator/SentaiFilmworks released Seasons 2-4 sub-only, lacking an English dub, rather than dubbing it in-house at Seraphim Digital, like what Creator/{{FUNimation}} did when it dubbed ''LightNovel/ShakuganNoShana''

to:

** Louise's scrappiness is often watered down or removed entirely in fanfiction. It was done first by ''FanFic/TheHillOfSwords'' and then by [[FollowTheLeader about 99.9% a good number of all [=ZnT=] fanfics that came after it]].
it]]. In most cases, it's due to her having to deal with a character that isn't a lecherous doormat and actually stands up to her, so her violent tsundere behavior won't fly.
* TheyJustDidntCare: Even though the first season was was dubbed, and despite Creator/CristinaValenzuela stating twitter on Twitter that she expressed interest in reprising Louise, Creator/SentaiFilmworks released Seasons 2-4 sub-only, lacking an English dub, rather than dubbing it in-house at Seraphim Digital, like what Creator/{{FUNimation}} did when it dubbed ''LightNovel/ShakuganNoShana''



** The anime works at a conversion ratio of three to four volumes per twelve episodes. Due to this, at least two thirds of the source material has been outright omitted, and the rest truncated or chopped up. Though the manga and novels aren't immune to this criticism.
* ValuesDissonance: While it's meant to be funny, Saito's abuse and overall treatment is horrifying to modern audiences. However, Louise is not acting different from what nobles did during Ancient Rome and Middle Ages. At one point killing a commoner (not to mention beating them up if they displeased you) was not a crime '''at all''' (that usually didn't apply to townsfolk, who were under protection of law to the extent that you had to have a valid reason to kill them). [[DoubleStandard One has to wonder if the series would be successful if Louise were male...]]

to:

** The anime works at a conversion ratio of three to four volumes per twelve episodes. Due to this, at least two thirds of the source material has have been outright omitted, and the rest truncated or chopped up. Though the manga and novels aren't immune to this criticism.
criticism, either.
* ValuesDissonance: While it's meant to be funny, Saito's abuse and overall treatment is horrifying to modern audiences. However, Louise is not acting different from what nobles did during Ancient Rome and Middle Ages. At one point killing a commoner (not to mention beating them up if they displeased you) was not a crime '''at all''' (that usually didn't apply to townsfolk, who were under protection of law to the extent that you had to have a valid reason to kill them). [[DoubleStandard [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale One has to wonder if the series would be successful at all if Louise were male...]]male]].



* WhatAnIdiot: Saito hasn't figured out that commenting about large breasts (or her [[ACupAngst lack thereof]]) around Louise is a bad idea.
* TheWoobie
** You really can't help but feel sorry for Saito because of the abuse heaped upon him by Louise. Hell, even the other familiars feel sorry for Saito, and see his treatment as both a familiar and a human as horrible.

to:

* WhatAnIdiot: Saito hasn't figured out that commenting about large breasts around Louise (or her [[ACupAngst lack thereof]]) around Louise is a bad idea.
* TheWoobie
TheWoobie:
** You really can't help but feel sorry for Saito Saito, because of the abuse heaped upon him by Louise. Hell, even the other familiars feel sorry for Saito, and see his treatment as both a familiar and a human as horrible.



* {{Woolseyism}}

to:

* {{Woolseyism}}{{Woolseyism}}:



** The European Spanish dub, on the other hand, translated more or less everything literally, without reaching TooLongDidntDub levels [[InconsistentDub with mixed results]].

to:

** The European Spanish dub, on the other hand, translated more or less everything literally, without reaching TooLongDidntDub levels [[InconsistentDub with mixed results]].
16th Feb '16 4:32:36 PM PhysicalStamina
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** The Mexican Spanish dub does this regarding the nicknames of many of the characters, who received more realistic sounding nicknames compared with both the original Japanese and English ones, while keeping the meaning of them. Character-wise Saito, while keeping his characterization from the Japanese version, it also sounds like a stereotypical Mexico City teenager, without going over the board with it, and sounding more angrier and freaked out in a more or less realistic way than in Japanese. Louise and the nobles, on the other hand, sounds more meanier and arrogant, possibly because that's the way how many Mexicans tends to depict people of higher social levels in Mexican media, especially in comedy.

to:

** The Mexican Spanish dub does this regarding the nicknames of many of the characters, who received more realistic sounding realistic-sounding nicknames compared with both the original Japanese and English ones, while keeping the meaning of them. Character-wise meanings intact. Character-wise, Saito, while keeping his characterization from the Japanese version, it also sounds like a stereotypical Mexico City teenager, without going over the board overboard with it, and is capable of sounding more angrier angry and freaked out in a somewhat more or less realistic way than in Japanese. Louise and the nobles, on the other hand, sounds sound more meanier mean and arrogant, possibly because that's the way how many Mexicans tends tend to depict people of higher social levels in Mexican media, especially in comedy.
14th Feb '16 7:21:51 PM Oecchi
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* {{Macekre}}: The anime devolved from grey-coloured story with [[{{Fanservice}} occasional breathers]] to {{Tsundere}} comedy with a lot of {{Fanservice}} and something happening in the background. Because of that, some things were [[AdaptationInducedPlotHole slightly changed]], and some cut off completely, often resulting in removing [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming heart-warming]] or [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome awesome]] moments just to put more female body parts in (a very prominent example being [[spoiler: Saito's death, which was the reason why Louise's company had come into contact with Tiffania, and an important part of Louise's character development]], being changed into [[spoiler: Saito coming back a short while later on his own, and then [[AdaptationInducedPlotHole dragging Louise to Westwood]] [[TheyJustDidntCare for no apparent reason]]]]; another fine example is [[spoiler: Agnes' behaviour towards Colbert after his faux death, once again an important part of someone's character development (in this case, of two characters, even)]], being cut completely).
20th Jan '16 6:07:30 PM Clannadisawesome
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** Saito's {{attempted rape}} of Louise even moreso.
2nd Jan '16 12:44:46 PM Sestren_NK
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ValuesDissonance: Louise is not acting different from what nobles did during Ancient Rome and Middle Ages. At one point killing a commoner (not to mention beating them up if they displeased you) was not a crime '''at all''' (that usually didn't apply to townsfolk, who were under protection of law to the extent that you had to have a valid reason to kill them). [[DoubleStandard One has to wonder if the series would be successful if Louise were male...]]

to:

* ValuesDissonance: While it's meant to be funny, Saito's abuse and overall treatment is horrifying to modern audiences. However, Louise is not acting different from what nobles did during Ancient Rome and Middle Ages. At one point killing a commoner (not to mention beating them up if they displeased you) was not a crime '''at all''' (that usually didn't apply to townsfolk, who were under protection of law to the extent that you had to have a valid reason to kill them). [[DoubleStandard One has to wonder if the series would be successful if Louise were male...]]



* ValuesDissonance: While it's meant to be funny, Saito's abuse and overall treatment is horrifying to modern audiences. Of course, such actions would have been perfectly acceptable (and even ''lauded'' in some cases) in history up to the mid-late 19th century.
30th Dec '15 12:51:20 PM MagBas
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* BaseBreaker: Louise and Saito ''both'' qualify, depending on who you ask. Louise has the DomesticAbuse angle and Saito gets the "generic-mary sue-wish fulliment" angle that Light Novel heroes often get.

to:

* BaseBreaker: Louise and Saito ''both'' qualify, depending on who you ask. Louise has the DomesticAbuse angle and Saito gets the "generic-mary sue-wish "wish fulliment" angle that Light Novel heroes often get.



* CanonSue:
** Tabitha's long lost twin sister, who seems to have been created from a checklist of MarySue cliches.
** A common complaint leveled at the [[OurElvesAreBetter elves]]. They are more in tune with nature, are not canonically affected by the impending disaster in the novels and have better tech than anyone who does not come from earth.



* JerkSue: '''Louise.''' is a {{Jerkass}} before CharacterDevelopment yet she's a noble that can beat Saito whenever she wants (even when it's uncalled for).
20th Dec '15 6:24:29 PM reppuzan
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* ValuesDissonance: While it's meant to be funny, Saito's abuse and overall treatment is horrifying to modern audiences. Of course, such actions would have been perfectly acceptable (and even ''lauded'' in some cases) in history up to the mid-late 19th century.
16th Nov '15 6:06:25 PM MagBas
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* DudeNotFunny: In general, the series is considered a comedy but the DomesticAbuse is '''not'''.
** In chapter 2 of the second light novel, Louise whips Saito (not with a riding crop, but a ''real'' whip) until he passes out from the pain, after a previous beating from the night before.
** Louise woke up to find Saito trying to [[AttemptedRape undress her in her sleep so he could rape her.]] Not nearly as many fans are bothered by this compared to Louise's abuse of Saito. [[spoiler: It's later revealed that it wasn't entirely out of his own free will]].
This list shows the last 10 events of 59. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.TheFamiliarOfZero