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** Superman is also an ineffectual tool and government stooge.
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* TakeThat: The Mutants can be seen as a TakeThat to "angsty", rebellious teen superheroes made popular by MarvelComics. Fittingly, they're named "The Mutants" (StanLee's working title for ''Comicbook/XMen''), they wear red shades that look a lot like [[Comicbook/XMen Cyclops']] visor, and they despise adult authority figures. They form a perfect contrast to Batman, who's the epitome of the "traditional" DC superhero--an adult hero who's driven and fearless, and has zero tolerance for crime.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny:
** Having Batman and Superman forced into a battle to the death was far more shocking to audiences in 1986 than it ever could be today, since, up to that point, the two had always been portrayed as the best of friends. Since then, the stark contrast between Superman's idealism and Batman's pragmatism has become an essential part of their character dynamic, and it's traditional to depict them as complete {{foil}}s who have difficulty trusting one another.
** Likewise, the revelation that Jason Todd was murdered before the events of the story held a lot more weight when the book first came out, since the character's death hadn't yet happened in the regular comics (''A Death in the Family'' didn't come out until 1988), and the idea of Robin being KilledOffForReal was still unthinkable to most readers. Now that Jason has since [[ComicBookDeath died and been resurrected]] as a {{badass}} AntiHero with his own series, hearing {{Batman}} angsting about his death can cause some eye-rolling.
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** This is hinted at in ''[[TheDarkKnightSaga The Dark Knight]]''.

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** This is hinted at {{hinted at}} in ''[[TheDarkKnightSaga The Dark Knight]]''.''Film/TheDarkKnight''.



** The scene where a disturbed gunman shoots up a movie theater is disturbing in light of the shooting at a Colorado screening of TheDarkKnightRises.

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** The scene where a disturbed gunman shoots up a movie theater is disturbing in light of the shooting at a Colorado screening of TheDarkKnightRises.''Film/TheDarkKnightRises''.
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Batman of all people quotes MontyPython.

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Batman of all people quotes MontyPython.Creator/MontyPython.



* {{Fanon Discontinuity}}: Lots of people like to imagine that ''TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain'' doesn't exist. And even though WordOfGod confirms that ''AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' is this book's prequel, plenty of fans are happy to ignore this.

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* {{Fanon Discontinuity}}: FanonDiscontinuity: Lots of people like to imagine that ''TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain'' doesn't exist. And even though WordOfGod confirms that ''AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' is this book's prequel, plenty of fans are happy to ignore this.



* HarsherInHindsight:
** The depiction, manner and philosophy of the Mutants are frankly eerily similar to the more abusive "Anonymous" cells online. Bear in mind, this is referring to the steal-your-identity-and-send-you-death-threats type of Anonymous and not the image board type of Anonymous.

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* HarsherInHindsight:
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** The depiction, manner and philosophy of the Mutants are frankly eerily similar to the more abusive "Anonymous" cells online. Bear in mind, this is referring to the steal-your-identity-and-send-you-death-threats type of Anonymous and not the image board type of Anonymous.



* TakeThat: The Mutants can be seen as a TakeThat to "angsty", rebellious teen superheroes made popular by MarvelComics. Fittingly, they're named "The Mutants" ({{Stan Lee}}'s working title for ''Comicbook/XMen''), they wear red shades that look a lot like [[Comicbook/XMen Cyclops']] visor, and they despise adult authority figures. They form a perfect contrast to Batman, who's the epitome of the "traditional" DC superhero--an adult hero who's driven and fearless, and has zero tolerance for crime.

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* TakeThat: The Mutants can be seen as a TakeThat to "angsty", rebellious teen superheroes made popular by MarvelComics. Fittingly, they're named "The Mutants" ({{Stan Lee}}'s (StanLee's working title for ''Comicbook/XMen''), they wear red shades that look a lot like [[Comicbook/XMen Cyclops']] visor, and they despise adult authority figures. They form a perfect contrast to Batman, who's the epitome of the "traditional" DC superhero--an adult hero who's driven and fearless, and has zero tolerance for crime.



* AndTheFandomRejoiced: The fact it's getting made, for starters. The casting of PeterWeller as the voice of Batman was also met with general fan approval.

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* AndTheFandomRejoiced: The fact it's getting made, for starters. The casting of PeterWeller as the voice of Batman was also met with general fan approval.
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** The scene where a disturbed gunman shoots up a movie theater is disturbing in light of the shooting at a Colorado screening of TheDarkKnightRises.
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** One example is his creation of the Brother MkI satellite which was created by Batman to keep an eye on all of the meta-humans, hero and villain alike.

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** One example is his creation of the Brother MkI Mk I satellite which was created by Batman to keep an eye on all of the meta-humans, hero and villain alike.
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* TakeThat: The Mutants can be seen as a TakeThat to "angsty", rebellious teen superheroes made popular by MarvelComics. Fittingly, they're named "The Mutants" ({{Stan Lee}}'s working title for ''Comicbook/XMen''), they wear red shades that look a lot like [[Comicbook/XMen Cyclops']] visor, and they despise adult authority figures. They form a perfect contrast to Batman, who's the epitome of the "traditional" DC superhero--an adult superhero who's driven and fearless, and has zero tolerance for crime.

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* TakeThat: The Mutants can be seen as a TakeThat to "angsty", rebellious teen superheroes made popular by MarvelComics. Fittingly, they're named "The Mutants" ({{Stan Lee}}'s working title for ''Comicbook/XMen''), they wear red shades that look a lot like [[Comicbook/XMen Cyclops']] visor, and they despise adult authority figures. They form a perfect contrast to Batman, who's the epitome of the "traditional" DC superhero--an adult superhero hero who's driven and fearless, and has zero tolerance for crime.
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* TakeThat: The Mutants can be seen as a TakeThat to "angsty", rebellious teen superheroes made popular by MarvelComics. They're named the Mutants ({{Stan Lee}}'s working title for ''Comicbook/XMen''), they wear red shades that look a lot like [[Comicbook/XMen Cyclops']] visor, and they despise adult authority figures. They form a perfect contrast to Batman, who's the epitome of the "traditional" DC superhero--an adult superhero who's driven and fearless, and has zero tolerance for crime.

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* TakeThat: The Mutants can be seen as a TakeThat to "angsty", rebellious teen superheroes made popular by MarvelComics. They're Fittingly, they're named the Mutants "The Mutants" ({{Stan Lee}}'s working title for ''Comicbook/XMen''), they wear red shades that look a lot like [[Comicbook/XMen Cyclops']] visor, and they despise adult authority figures. They form a perfect contrast to Batman, who's the epitome of the "traditional" DC superhero--an adult superhero who's driven and fearless, and has zero tolerance for crime.
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* AndTheFandomRejoiced: The fact it's getting made, for starters. The casting of PeterWeller as the voice of Batman was also made with general fan approval.

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* AndTheFandomRejoiced: The fact it's getting made, for starters. The casting of PeterWeller as the voice of Batman was also made met with general fan approval.
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!!!''Film/TheDarkKnightReturns'': The Film
* AndTheFandomRejoiced: The fact it's getting made, for starters. The casting of PeterWeller as the voice of Batman was also made with general fan approval.
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* BigLippedAligatorMoment: Batman of all people quotes MontyPython.

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* MisaimedFandom: FrankMiller is sometimes [[http://www.facebook.com/pages/Guns-Are-For-Cowards/125540797485215 quoted as saying]] what he portrayed '''Batman''' as saying. This carries [[FridgeHorror especially unsettling implications]] when you consider [[AllStarBatmanAndRobin that Miller's also portrayed Batman as a sadistic psychopath]]...
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: ''The Dark Knight Returns'' and ''The Dark Knight Strikes Again'' presented Batman as a dangerously-obsessed, deeply-disturbed, paranoid, control freak who is possibly a mentally ill HeroicSociopath as opposed to the stalwart Caped Crusader of the Golden and Silver ages and the Adam West series. This interpretation is touched on DependingOnTheWriter and sometimes it is the basis for whole story arcs.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: ''The Dark Knight Returns'' and ''The Dark Knight Strikes Again'' presented Batman as a dangerously-obsessed, deeply-disturbed, paranoid, control freak who is possibly a mentally ill HeroicSociopath SociopathicHero as opposed to the stalwart Caped Crusader of the Golden and Silver ages and the Adam West series. This interpretation is touched on DependingOnTheWriter and sometimes it is the basis for whole story arcs.
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel:
** After Superman [[spoiler:is nearly killed by the Soviet nuke, his body deteriorates and rots in midair with his mouth forming a scream of anguish. HeGotBetter.]]
** How about [[spoiler:the Joker killing a talk show host, his other guests, and the entire audience. The image of their corpses and how Miller did the already-creepy Joker Toxin effects will probably give somebody nightmares.]]
** There's that scene, and then there's the sight of [[spoiler:the Joker and his henchman handing out cotton candy to Cub Scouts at a fair]]. Later, as Batman and Robin are Bat-glidering into the fair, we see from their perspective [[spoiler:the same Scouts, all dead from the poison in the candy and sprawled around like an image out of Jonestown. The Joker's lines under AxCrazy on the main page are taken from this scene, for added horror]].
** Joker's [[spoiler:face as he dies.]]
** The flying robot kid things. "Eeugh yourself, bitch."
** Gordon invokes this in his internal commentary about [[spoiler:seeing the Mutant leader kill the mayor]].
--->I hear a nervous giggle and an animal growl. I hear handcuff links snap. I see something I'll take to my ''grave''.



* TearJerker:
** [[spoiler:While watching Wayne Manor explode and burn, Alfred has a fatal stroke]].
--->[[spoiler:A jolt travels the length of Alfred's spine. "Of course", he thinks as his head goes light. "How utterly proper."]]
** And let's not forget [[spoiler:the Cub Scouts at the county fair]]. God...
** And Superman [[spoiler:begging for his life after being nuked and blocked from the sun.]]
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: ''The Dark Knight Returns'' and ''The Dark Knight Strikes Again'' presented Batman as a dangerously-obsessed, deeply-disturbed, paranoid, control freak who is possibly a mentally ill HeroicSociopath as opposed to the stalwart Caped Crusader of the Golden and Silver ages and the Adam West series. This interpretation is touched on DependingOnTheWriter and sometimes it is the basis for whole story arcs.
** One example is his creation of the Brother MkI satellite which was created by Batman to keep an eye on all of the meta-humans, hero and villain alike.
** Another story, Tower of Babel, centers on Ra's Al Ghul obtaining a file containing Batman's contingency plans to cripple each and every member of the Justice League "just in case" and using them to his own ends. The existence of the files and the secrecy under which they are kept infuriates The League and leads to his expulsion.
** This is hinted at in ''[[TheDarkKnightSaga The Dark Knight]]''.
*** Another issue of interpretation is whether he became a man the night his parents died, or if he never truly grew
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* {{FanonDiscontinuity}}: Lots of people like to imagine that ''TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain'' doesn't exist. And even though WordOfGod confirms that ''AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' is this book's prequel, plenty of fans are happy to ignore this.

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* {{FanonDiscontinuity}}: {{Fanon Discontinuity}}: Lots of people like to imagine that ''TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain'' doesn't exist. And even though WordOfGod confirms that ''AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' is this book's prequel, plenty of fans are happy to ignore this.
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* {{FanonDiscontinuity}}: Lots of people like to imagine that ''TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain'' doesn't exist.

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* {{FanonDiscontinuity}}: Lots of people like to imagine that ''TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain'' doesn't exist. And even though WordOfGod confirms that ''AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' is this book's prequel, plenty of fans are happy to ignore this.
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* TakeThat: The Mutants can be seen as a TakeThat to "angsty", rebellious teen superheroes made popular by MarvelComics. They're named the Mutants (which was {{Stan Lee}}'s working title for ''Comicbook/XMen''), they wear red shades that look a lot like [[Comicbook/XMen Cyclops']] visor, and they despise adult authority figures. They form a perfect contrast to Batman, who's the epitome of the "traditional" DC superhero--an adult superhero who's driven and fearless, and has zero tolerance for crime.

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* TakeThat: The Mutants can be seen as a TakeThat to "angsty", rebellious teen superheroes made popular by MarvelComics. They're named the Mutants (which was {{Stan ({{Stan Lee}}'s working title for ''Comicbook/XMen''), they wear red shades that look a lot like [[Comicbook/XMen Cyclops']] visor, and they despise adult authority figures. They form a perfect contrast to Batman, who's the epitome of the "traditional" DC superhero--an adult superhero who's driven and fearless, and has zero tolerance for crime.
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* TakeThat: The Mutants can be seen as a TakeThat to "angsty", rebellious teen superheroes made popular by MarvelComics. They're named the Mutants (which was {{Stan Lee}}'s working title for ''Comicbook/XMen''), they wear red shades that look a lot like [[Comicbook/XMen Cyclops']] visor, and they despise adult authority figures. They form a perfect contrast to Batman, who's the epitome of the "traditional" DC superhero--an adult superhero who's driven and fearless, and has zero tolerance for crime.
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* {{Discontinuity}}: Lots of people like to imagine that ''TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain'' doesn't exist.

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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: After Superman [[spoiler:is nearly killed by the Soviet nuke, his body deteriorates and rots in midair with his mouth forming a scream of anguish. HeGotBetter.]]
** More Nightmare Fuel: [[spoiler:HeGotBetter by sucking up the solar energy stored in nearby plants, ''killing a forest'' to regenerate himself.]] We don't generally think about Superman doing that.
** He asked [[spoiler:Mother Nature]], and she forgave him. [[spoiler:After a lightning bolt smashes him to the ground as he tries to make it to the sun: '''Superman''': "Though I was born a galaxy away...I have always served you. The same power...the sun's power...fuels us both. You hold it...here...you store it..I '''beg''' you...for a suffering world...release it. '''Mother'''...Mother... (the jungle starts drying up and blowing away) You are...so generous. You give me...your beautiful jungle...I '''swear'''...Your adopted son will honor you.]]

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After Superman [[spoiler:is nearly killed by the Soviet nuke, his body deteriorates and rots in midair with his mouth forming a scream of anguish. HeGotBetter.]]
** More Nightmare Fuel: [[spoiler:HeGotBetter by sucking up the solar energy stored in nearby plants, ''killing a forest'' to regenerate himself.]] We don't generally think about Superman doing that.
** He asked [[spoiler:Mother Nature]], and she forgave him. [[spoiler:After a lightning bolt smashes him to the ground as he tries to make it to the sun: '''Superman''': "Though I was born a galaxy away...I have always served you. The same power...the sun's power...fuels us both. You hold it...here...you store it..I '''beg''' you...for a suffering world...release it. '''Mother'''...Mother... (the jungle starts drying up and blowing away) You are...so generous. You give me...your beautiful jungle...I '''swear'''...Your adopted son will honor you.
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** Gordon invokes this in his internal commentary about [[spoiler:seeing the Mutant leader kill the mayor]].
--->I hear a nervous giggle and an animal growl. I hear handcuff links snap. I see something I'll take to my ''grave''.
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** More NightmareFuel: [[spoiler:HeGotBetter by sucking up the solar energy stored in nearby plants, ''killing a forest'' to regenerate himself.]] We don't generally think about Superman doing that.

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** More NightmareFuel: Nightmare Fuel: [[spoiler:HeGotBetter by sucking up the solar energy stored in nearby plants, ''killing a forest'' to regenerate himself.]] We don't generally think about Superman doing that.
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* OlderThanTheyThink: The Swastika pastie woman who attracted so much disbelief in ''[[AllStarDCComics All Star Batman and Robin]]''.
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* HilariousInHindsight : This came decades before the meme actually started, but take a look at this quote:
--> '''Mutant Gang Member''': ''(after being attacked by a bat)'' It's just a [[AllstarBatmanAndRobin goddamned]] [[GoddamnedBats bat]].
* HypeBacklash
* MisaimedFandom: FrankMiller is sometimes [[http://www.facebook.com/pages/Guns-Are-For-Cowards/125540797485215 quoted as saying]] what he portrayed '''Batman''' as saying. This carries [[FridgeHorror especially unsettling implications]] when you consider [[AllStarBatmanAndRobin that Miller's also portrayed Batman as a sadistic psychopath]]...
* NightmareFuel: After Superman [[spoiler:is nearly killed by the Soviet nuke, his body deteriorates and rots in midair with his mouth forming a scream of anguish. HeGotBetter.]]

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* HilariousInHindsight : This came decades before the meme actually started, but take a look at this quote:
--> '''Mutant Gang Member''': ''(after being attacked by a bat)'' It's just a [[AllstarBatmanAndRobin goddamned]] [[GoddamnedBats bat]].
* HypeBacklash
* MisaimedFandom: FrankMiller is sometimes [[http://www.facebook.com/pages/Guns-Are-For-Cowards/125540797485215 quoted as saying]] what he portrayed '''Batman''' as saying. This carries [[FridgeHorror especially unsettling implications]] when you consider [[AllStarBatmanAndRobin that Miller's also portrayed Batman as a sadistic psychopath]]...
* NightmareFuel:
HighOctaneNightmareFuel: After Superman [[spoiler:is nearly killed by the Soviet nuke, his body deteriorates and rots in midair with his mouth forming a scream of anguish. HeGotBetter.]]


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* HilariousInHindsight : This came decades before the meme actually started, but take a look at this quote:
--> '''Mutant Gang Member''': ''(after being attacked by a bat)'' It's just a [[AllstarBatmanAndRobin goddamned]] [[GoddamnedBats bat]].
* HypeBacklash
* MisaimedFandom: FrankMiller is sometimes [[http://www.facebook.com/pages/Guns-Are-For-Cowards/125540797485215 quoted as saying]] what he portrayed '''Batman''' as saying. This carries [[FridgeHorror especially unsettling implications]] when you consider [[AllStarBatmanAndRobin that Miller's also portrayed Batman as a sadistic psychopath]]...
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* UnfortunateImplications: There is one transition page showing Carrie Kelly (the new Robin, a 13-year-old girl) affectionately hugging a naked Bruce Wayne.
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* MisaimedFandom: FrankMiller is sometimes [[http://www.facebook.com/pages/Guns-Are-For-Cowards/125540797485215 quoted as saying]] what he portrayed '''Batman''' as saying. This carries [[FridgeHorror especially unsettling implications]] when you consider [[HeroicSociopath other things]] about Miller's portrayal of Batman...

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* MisaimedFandom: FrankMiller is sometimes [[http://www.facebook.com/pages/Guns-Are-For-Cowards/125540797485215 quoted as saying]] what he portrayed '''Batman''' as saying. This carries [[FridgeHorror especially unsettling implications]] when you consider [[HeroicSociopath other things]] about [[AllStarBatmanAndRobin that Miller's portrayal of Batman...also portrayed Batman as a sadistic psychopath]]...
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* MisaimedFandom: FrankMiller is sometimes [[http://www.facebook.com/pages/Guns-Are-For-Cowards/125540797485215 quoted as saying]] what he portrayed '''Batman''' as saying. This carries [[FridgeHorror especially unsettling implications]] when you consider [[HeroicSociopath other things]] about Miller's portrayal of Batman...

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