History YMMV / TheDarkKnight

18th Dec '17 11:11:35 AM Anddrix
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* FollowTheLeader:
** The film had a profound impact on action movies after it came out. The emphasis on more realism, practical effects, more terrorist-flavored villains, and the feeling that AnyoneCanDie without warning influenced franchises from James Bond to The Avengers to Star Trek. In particular, the TrojanPrisoner (villain gets caught in the second act, causes death and mayhem, and then escapes while the heroes acknowledge "he ''wanted to get caught!") began getting used a lot after the Joker used it.
** The DC cinematic universe, perhaps hoping for the same lightning to strike twice, also recycled this film's excellent and appropriate use of gritty realism for several of their subsequent movies, whether or not the darker tone was a good complement to the different source material. Critical reception to these choices has been [[LoveItOrHateIt decidedly mixed]].
18th Dec '17 12:45:07 AM WolfofBlades
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* FollowTheLeader:
** The film had a profound impact on action movies after it came out. The emphasis on more realism, practical effects, more terrorist-flavored villains, and the feeling that AnyoneCanDie without warning influenced franchises from James Bond to The Avengers to Star Trek. In particular, the TrojanPrisoner (villain gets caught in the second act, causes death and mayhem, and then escapes while the heroes acknowledge "he ''wanted to get caught!") began getting used a lot after the Joker used it.
** The DC cinematic universe, perhaps hoping for the same lightning to strike twice, also recycled this film's excellent and appropriate use of gritty realism for several of their subsequent movies, whether or not the darker tone was a good complement to the different source material. Critical reception to these choices has been [[LoveItOrHateIt decidedly mixed]].
17th Dec '17 9:24:51 PM NightShade96
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* MemeticMutation: [[Memes/TheDarkKnightSaga Has its own page.]]

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* MemeticMutation: [[Memes/TheDarkKnightSaga [[Memes/TheDarkKnightTrilogy Has its own page.]]



* SequelDisplacement: The success of this movie has completely overshadowed [[Film/BatmanBegins its predecessor]] that ''the whole series'' has gotten dubbed ''Film/TheDarkKnightSaga''. Interestingly, though, [[Film/TheDarkKnightRises the next film]] would take more cues from the first film than this one.

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* SequelDisplacement: The success of this movie has completely overshadowed [[Film/BatmanBegins its predecessor]] that ''the whole series'' has gotten dubbed ''Film/TheDarkKnightSaga''.''Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy''. Interestingly, though, [[Film/TheDarkKnightRises the next film]] would take more cues from the first film than this one.
17th Dec '17 5:50:42 PM NightShade96
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** The Lamborghini Bruce Wayne drives is a Murcielago, which means Bat. So even when he's not in the suit, [[VisualPun Wayne is still driving a Bat-mobile]].
3rd Dec '17 8:40:31 AM fruitstripegum
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* FollowTheLeader:
** The film had a profound impact on action movies after it came out. The emphasis on more realism, practical effects, more terrorist-flavored villains, and the feeling that AnyoneCanDie without warning influenced franchises from James Bond to The Avengers to Star Trek. In particular, the TrojanPrisoner (villain gets caught in the second act, causes death and mayhem, and then escapes while the heroes acknowledge "he ''wanted to get caught!") began getting used a lot after the Joker used it.
** The DC cinematic universe, perhaps hoping for the same lightning to strike twice, also recycled this film's excellent and appropriate use of gritty realism for several of their subsequent movies, whether or not the darker tone was a good complement to the different source material. Critical reception to these choices has been [[LoveItOrHateIt decidedly mixed]].
26th Nov '17 8:46:40 PM Anicomicgeek
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** Stephens is an {{expy}} of Harvey Bullock. Come the second season of ''VideoGame/BatmanTheTelltaleSeries'', his actor, Creator/KeithSzarabajka actually voices Bullock.
23rd Nov '17 1:46:02 PM JulianLapostat
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* AwardSnub: This film appeared on more critics' top ten lists than any other film of 2008 except ''Pixar/{{WALL-E}}'', and more critics named it "best film of 2008" than anything else released that year. None of this was enough to overwhelm the Comic Book Movie ghetto; it was not nominated for an AcademyAward for Best Picture. Neither was ''WALL-E'', as it happens. But it's believed that the resulting outcry over those two snubs is at least partly responsible for the Academy deciding to nominate ten movies for Best Picture in 2010 instead of the traditional five.
** On that note, while Heath Ledger did a fantastic job as the Joker and very much deserved his Best Supporting Actor award, it's hard to deny Creator/AaronEckhart had a heart-wrenching performance as Harvey Dent....

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* AwardSnub: This film appeared on more critics' top ten lists than any other film of 2008 except ''Pixar/{{WALL-E}}'', and more critics named it "best film of 2008" than anything else released that year. None of this was enough to overwhelm the Comic Book Movie ghetto; it was not nominated for an AcademyAward for Best Picture. Neither was ''WALL-E'', as it happens. But it's believed that the resulting outcry over those two snubs is at least partly responsible for the Academy deciding to nominate ten movies for Best Picture in 2010 instead of the traditional five.
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five. On that note, while Heath Ledger did a fantastic job as the Joker and very much deserved his Best Supporting Actor award, it's hard to deny Creator/AaronEckhart had a heart-wrenching performance as Harvey Dent....Dent....
* CommonKnowledge:
** Many have claimed that Heath Ledger's Joker is the darkest version of the character. It is certainly true that he's the most joyless (as Creator/MarkHamill states) but in terms of body-count, Creator/JackNicholson in ''Film/{{Batman}}'' killed more people with his weaponized Smilex gas (Nolan!Joker's preference for knives and personally carving people does tend to limit his destructiveness compared to an aerosol fast-acting chemical weapon), while the Franchise/{{DCAU}}!Joker led a rampage across Metropolis with a giant bomber and destroyed whole buildings, and later used a KillSat, had an even bigger InferredHolocaust count, and his MindRape in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyondReturnOfTheJoker'' was arguably a far deeper psychological torture than what he did to Harvey Dent. In the entire trilogy, Ra's al Ghul and the League of Shadows probably killed more people in their attack on the Narrows in ''Film/BatmanBegins'' (at the end of which an entire city-district and slum area was said to have become permanently damaged if the final conversation between Gordon and Batman is to believed) and Bane in the final film likewise killed more people in the montage where he bombs Gotham's bridges and stadium than Joker did in this film alone (which is 32 people).
** ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' is also seen as the first superhero film to really push violence in the genre, with many raising eyebrows about the PG-13 rating. Others point out that ''Film/BatmanReturns'' was the film that really attracted controversy (so much so that the Schumacher Batman films were initially presented and received as the AuthorsSavingThrow), and ''Return of the Joker'' was the film that was shelved and re-edited because of the violence of the content potentially being screened in the wake of the Columbine tragedy. ''Film/SpiderMan1'' also had Norman Osborn killing 22 people (the largest body count any supervillain in any Spider-Man film) and its finale had him perform a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown which reduced its hero to a bloody pulp. If anything, the violence in ''The Dark Knight'' was the point where it didn't receive controversy and became normalized so to speak.



* DracoInLeatherPants: The Joker, largely due to Ledger's rendition of him.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: The Joker, largely due to Ledger's rendition of him.him as an anti-authoritarian anarchist who wants to watch the world burn, and the fact that some of his speeches taken out of context (especially his speech to Harvey Dent in the hospital) actually makes sense in terms of its argument and rhetoric. Unlike the other versions of Joker (Creator/JackNicholson, Creator/JaredLeto, and Mark Hamill), he doesn't have the tendency of romantic fixation and DomesticAbuse of women and children that always kept fans from entirely rooting for Joker.



* EpilepticTrees: The film's refusal to give Joker a definite origin has not stopped people to speculate. One theory that has become popular is the notion that Heath Ledger's Joker is in fact a ShellShockedVeteran from the Iraq War. This theory was openly floated [[http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/05/new-hints-to-the-jokers-past-and-a-possible-robin-connection in the Dark Knight manual]] while still maintaining MultipleChoicePast. [[http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/articles/3-fan-theories-might-change-way-you-look-dark-knight-trilogy Other fan sites]] have also discussed this theory.

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* EpilepticTrees: The film's refusal to give Joker a definite origin has not stopped people to speculate. One theory that has become popular is the notion that Heath Ledger's Joker is in fact a ShellShockedVeteran from the Iraq War. This theory [[WriterInducedFanon was openly floated floated]] [[http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/05/new-hints-to-the-jokers-past-and-a-possible-robin-connection in the Dark Knight manual]] while still maintaining MultipleChoicePast. [[http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/articles/3-fan-theories-might-change-way-you-look-dark-knight-trilogy Other fan sites]] have also discussed this theory.


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* SignatureScene: Everything to do with Joker:
** The opening bank heist scene is considered among the best not only in superhero films but the genre as a whole, complete with the byzantine nature of betrayals and Joker's final reveal.
** Joker's pencil trick, his prison escape complete with gloating shaking of his head out the window like a dog, the interrogation scene between him and Batman, Joker at the party, and Joker setting the money on fire.
** The chase scene between Batman and Joker across the city, with Batman using the Batpod to flip over the giant truck and ending with Joker firing a gun in the middle of the street as he dares Batman to "hit me", with Batman dodging at the last moment.
** Joker in the nurse outfit at the hospital with Harvey Dent, where he uses {{Gaslighting}} to turn his victim and mortal enemy into his accomplice, and then walking out while still in the outfit and blowing up the building.
7th Nov '17 11:44:32 AM TheMightyHeptagon
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** It's surprisingly easy to interpret the Joker as a VigilanteMan who [[NotSoDifferent hates criminals just as much as Batman]], but [[PayEvilUntoEvil doesn't have any qualms about murdering them]]. A pretty large chunk of his actions end up directly or indirectly aiding Batman in his crusade against crime: he pulls off daring robberies against Mob-controlled banks, he swindles the Mob out of millions of dollars, he assassinates the Gotham Police Department's corrupt and incompetent Commissioner (allowing the idealistic and ruthlessly efficient [[TheCommissionerGordon Jim Gordon]] to take the job), and he personally murders Lau, Gamble and the Chechen--three of the city’s most powerful gangsters. Even his most heinous act--turning Harvey Dent into the villainous Two-Face--just results in Dent going on a murderous rampage against corrupt police officers. For all his evil actions, he does far more damage to Gotham's criminal underworld than Batman ever did.
6th Oct '17 5:35:37 PM slvstrChung
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* AwardSnub: This film appeared on more critics' top ten lists than any other film of 2008 except ''Pixar/WALL-E'', and more critics named it "best film of 2008" than anything else released that year. None of this was enough to overwhelm the Comic Book Movie ghetto; it was not nominated for an AcademyAward for Best Picture. Neither was ''WALL-E'', as it happens. But it's believed that the resulting outcry over those two snubs is at least partly responsible for the Academy deciding to nominate ten movies for Best Picture in 2010 instead of the traditional five.

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* AwardSnub: This film appeared on more critics' top ten lists than any other film of 2008 except ''Pixar/WALL-E'', ''Pixar/{{WALL-E}}'', and more critics named it "best film of 2008" than anything else released that year. None of this was enough to overwhelm the Comic Book Movie ghetto; it was not nominated for an AcademyAward for Best Picture. Neither was ''WALL-E'', as it happens. But it's believed that the resulting outcry over those two snubs is at least partly responsible for the Academy deciding to nominate ten movies for Best Picture in 2010 instead of the traditional five.
6th Oct '17 5:35:18 PM slvstrChung
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* AwardSnub: A superhero movie was always going to have difficulty cracking into the Oscars, but this was made worse by the fact that most of the nominated Best Picture movies (including [[Film/SlumdogMillionaire the eventual winner]]) didn't receive nearly the amount of critical or public acclaim as ''The Dark Knight'' did, and yet ''The Dark Knight'' wasn't even nominated for Best Picture. It's said that the resulting outcry is at least partly responsible for the Academy deciding to nominate ten movies for Best Picture in 2010 instead of the traditional five.
** On that note, while Heath Ledger did a fantastic job as the Joker and earned his Best Supporting Actor award, it's hard to deny Creator/AaronEckhart had a heart-wrenching performance as Harvey Dent....

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* AwardSnub: A superhero movie was always going to have difficulty cracking into the Oscars, but This film appeared on more critics' top ten lists than any other film of 2008 except ''Pixar/WALL-E'', and more critics named it "best film of 2008" than anything else released that year. None of this was made worse by enough to overwhelm the fact that most of the Comic Book Movie ghetto; it was not nominated Best Picture movies (including [[Film/SlumdogMillionaire the eventual winner]]) didn't receive nearly the amount of critical or public acclaim as ''The Dark Knight'' did, and yet ''The Dark Knight'' wasn't even nominated for an AcademyAward for Best Picture. It's said Neither was ''WALL-E'', as it happens. But it's believed that the resulting outcry over those two snubs is at least partly responsible for the Academy deciding to nominate ten movies for Best Picture in 2010 instead of the traditional five.
** On that note, while Heath Ledger did a fantastic job as the Joker and earned very much deserved his Best Supporting Actor award, it's hard to deny Creator/AaronEckhart had a heart-wrenching performance as Harvey Dent....
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