History YMMV / TheDarkKnight

14th May '18 7:07:21 PM costanton11
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* MagnificentBastard: The Joker. Hoo boy, ''the Joker''.
6th May '18 2:02:19 PM VisitorAlex
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* AssPull: Joker's escape via bus is strange. Not only does he burst through a wall using a big school bus not far from the crime scene, but there are also people that can see the whole scene, including another bus driver not too far behind him. Yeah, you see that shit everyday.
** A lot of the film runs on minor {{Ass Pull}}s of one kind or another. For example, Batman being able to pull a print off of a ''shattered bullet'' is only marginally outdone by the Joker seemingly ''counting'' on him doing just that; the earlier scene where Joker takes over Bruces' party has things like Bruce knocking Harvey out from behind with Harvey never asking what happened, along with Joker and his goons escaping after Batman saves Rachel without us being shown; and that isn't getting into the highly improbable nature of many of the Jokers' convoluted plans.
1st May '18 12:48:20 PM Anicomicgeek
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** The line ''"you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"'' is this now that Creator/MichaelKeaton, who played the Caped Crusader in [[Film/{{Batman}} the Tim Burton films]], plays the Marvel villain The Vulture in ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming''.

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** The line ''"you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"'' is this now that Creator/MichaelKeaton, who played the Caped Crusader in [[Film/{{Batman}} the Tim Burton films]], plays the Marvel villain The Vulture in ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming''. Even earlier than that, in 2011, Creator/ValKilmer, Keaton's [[TheOtherDarrin immediate successor]] in ''Film/BatmanForever'', voiced Walker Sloan in ''VideoGame/SpiderManEdgeOfTime''.
30th Apr '18 8:59:39 AM PriceCheck
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** "You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." comes off as an unlikely accurate [[{{Foreshadow}} prediction]]. There are plenty of outcomes in between off the top of your head, unless you are a man who has read the script.
28th Apr '18 9:07:01 AM StFan
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* AwardSnub: This film appeared on more critics' top ten lists than any other film of 2008 except ''WesternAnimation/{{WALL-E}}'', and more critics named it "best film of 2008" than anything else released that year. None of this was enough to overwhelm the Comic Book Movie ghetto; it was not nominated for an AcademyAward for Best Picture. Neither was ''WALL-E'', as it happens. But it's believed that the resulting outcry over those two snubs is at least partly responsible for the Academy deciding to nominate ten movies for Best Picture in 2010 instead of the traditional five. On that note, while Heath Ledger did a fantastic job as the Joker and very much deserved his Best Supporting Actor award, it's hard to deny Creator/AaronEckhart had a heart-wrenching performance as Harvey Dent....

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* AwardSnub: This film appeared on more critics' top ten lists than any other film of 2008 except ''WesternAnimation/{{WALL-E}}'', ''WesternAnimation/WallE'', and more critics named it "best film of 2008" than anything else released that year. None of this was enough to overwhelm the Comic Book Movie ghetto; it was not nominated for an AcademyAward for Best Picture. Neither was ''WALL-E'', ''WALLēE'', as it happens. But it's believed that the resulting outcry over those two snubs is at least partly responsible for the Academy deciding to nominate ten movies for Best Picture in 2010 instead of the traditional five. On that note, while Heath Ledger did a fantastic job as the Joker and very much deserved his Best Supporting Actor award, it's hard to deny Creator/AaronEckhart had a heart-wrenching performance as Harvey Dent....
15th Apr '18 3:38:15 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: ComicBook/TheJoker, a self-described "[[ChaosIsEvil agent of chaos]]", is introduced by killing each of his goons and an innocent bus driver after a bank robbery. The Joker proceeds to exploit the Mob's desire to be rid of Batman, casually murdering henchmen, politicians and police to force Batman to unmask himself. He also makes the accountant attempting to unmask Batman a target; ties a crime boss to a pile of money which he then burns; kills a gangster by [[EyeScream making a pencil disappear... eraser-end first]]; blows up a hospital; attempts a PrisonersDilemma scenario to get a boatload of civilians and prisoners to blow each other up; and, primarily by manipulating a SadisticChoice leading to Rachel Dawes's death,and then by [[MindRape mind raping]] an injured Harvey Dent in the hospital, is the driving force behind his transformation into Two-Face. The Joker's main motivation is fun, but he also wants to show that anyone and everyone can and will become a monster if pushed far enough (or even if just given the chance). He's proven wrong, but doesn't care, just giving an annoyed shrug and attempting to blow the two boats sky high with his own detonator. All the while, the Joker states how he's just out to give Gotham a "[[EvilerThanThou better class of criminal]]". Alfred put it best when he said "[[ForTheEvulz Some men just want to watch the world burn]]."

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* CompleteMonster: ComicBook/TheJoker, a self-described "[[ChaosIsEvil agent of chaos]]", is introduced by killing each of his goons and an innocent bus driver after a bank robbery. The Joker proceeds to exploit the Mob's desire to be rid of Batman, casually murdering henchmen, politicians and police to force Batman to unmask himself. He also makes the accountant attempting to unmask Batman a target; ties a crime boss to a pile of money which he then burns; kills a gangster by [[EyeScream making a pencil disappear... eraser-end first]]; blows up a hospital; attempts a PrisonersDilemma scenario to get a boatload of civilians and prisoners to blow each other up; and, primarily by manipulating a SadisticChoice leading to Rachel Dawes's death,and death, and then by [[MindRape mind raping]] an injured Harvey Dent in the hospital, is the driving force behind his transformation into Two-Face. The Joker's main motivation is fun, but he also wants to show that anyone and everyone can and will become a monster if pushed far enough (or even if just given the chance). He's proven wrong, but doesn't care, just giving an annoyed shrug and attempting to blow the two boats sky high with his own detonator. All the while, the Joker states how he's just out to give Gotham a "[[EvilerThanThou better class of criminal]]". Alfred put it best when he said "[[ForTheEvulz Some men just want to watch the world burn]]."
13th Apr '18 6:36:36 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: ComicBook/TheJoker is [[EstablishingCharacterMoment introduced]] by killing each of his goons and an innocent bus driver after a bank robbery. The Joker proceeds to exploit the Mob's desire to be rid of Batman, casually murdering henchmen, politicians and police to force Batman to unmask himself. He also makes the accountant attempting to unmask Batman a target; ties a crime boss to a pile of money which he then burns; kills a gangster by [[EyeScream making a pencil disappear... eraser-end first]]; blows up a hospital; attempts a PrisonersDilemma scenario to get a boatload of civilians and prisoners to blow each other up; and, primarily by manipulating a SadisticChoice leading to Rachel Dawes's death,and then by [[MindRape mind raping]] an injured Harvey Dent in the hospital, is the driving force behind his transformation into Two-Face. The Joker's main motivation is fun, but he also wants to show that anyone and everyone can and will become a monster if pushed far enough (or even if just given the chance). He's proven wrong, but doesn't care, just giving an annoyed shrug and attempting to blow the two boats sky high with his own detonator. All the while, the Joker states how he's just out to give Gotham a "[[EvilerThanThou better class of criminal]]". Alfred put it best when he said "[[ChaosIsEvil Some men just want to watch the world burn]]."

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* CompleteMonster: ComicBook/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker, a self-described "[[ChaosIsEvil agent of chaos]]", is [[EstablishingCharacterMoment introduced]] introduced by killing each of his goons and an innocent bus driver after a bank robbery. The Joker proceeds to exploit the Mob's desire to be rid of Batman, casually murdering henchmen, politicians and police to force Batman to unmask himself. He also makes the accountant attempting to unmask Batman a target; ties a crime boss to a pile of money which he then burns; kills a gangster by [[EyeScream making a pencil disappear... eraser-end first]]; blows up a hospital; attempts a PrisonersDilemma scenario to get a boatload of civilians and prisoners to blow each other up; and, primarily by manipulating a SadisticChoice leading to Rachel Dawes's death,and then by [[MindRape mind raping]] an injured Harvey Dent in the hospital, is the driving force behind his transformation into Two-Face. The Joker's main motivation is fun, but he also wants to show that anyone and everyone can and will become a monster if pushed far enough (or even if just given the chance). He's proven wrong, but doesn't care, just giving an annoyed shrug and attempting to blow the two boats sky high with his own detonator. All the while, the Joker states how he's just out to give Gotham a "[[EvilerThanThou better class of criminal]]". Alfred put it best when he said "[[ChaosIsEvil "[[ForTheEvulz Some men just want to watch the world burn]]."
13th Apr '18 6:26:57 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[ComicBook/TheJoker]] is [[EstablishingCharacterMoment introduced]] by killing each of his goons and an innocent bus driver after a bank robbery. The Joker proceeds to exploit the Mob's desire to be rid of Batman, casually murdering henchmen, politicians and police to force Batman to unmask himself. He also makes the accountant attempting to unmask Batman a target; ties a crime boss to a pile of money which he then burns; kills a gangster by [[EyeScream making a pencil disappear... eraser-end first]]; blows up a hospital; attempts a PrisonersDilemma scenario to get a boatload of civilians and prisoners to blow each other up; and, primarily by manipulating a SadisticChoice leading to Rachel Dawes's death,and then by [[MindRape mind raping]] an injured Harvey Dent in the hospital, is the driving force behind his transformation into Two-Face. The Joker's main motivation is fun, but he also wants to show that anyone and everyone can and will become a monster if pushed far enough (or even if just given the chance). He's proven wrong, but doesn't care, just giving an annoyed shrug and attempting to blow the two boats sky high with his own detonator. All the while, the Joker states how he's just out to give Gotham a "[[EvilerThanThou better class of criminal]]". Alfred put it best when he said "[[ChaosIsEvil Some men just want to watch the world burn]]."

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* CompleteMonster: [[ComicBook/TheJoker]] ComicBook/TheJoker is [[EstablishingCharacterMoment introduced]] by killing each of his goons and an innocent bus driver after a bank robbery. The Joker proceeds to exploit the Mob's desire to be rid of Batman, casually murdering henchmen, politicians and police to force Batman to unmask himself. He also makes the accountant attempting to unmask Batman a target; ties a crime boss to a pile of money which he then burns; kills a gangster by [[EyeScream making a pencil disappear... eraser-end first]]; blows up a hospital; attempts a PrisonersDilemma scenario to get a boatload of civilians and prisoners to blow each other up; and, primarily by manipulating a SadisticChoice leading to Rachel Dawes's death,and then by [[MindRape mind raping]] an injured Harvey Dent in the hospital, is the driving force behind his transformation into Two-Face. The Joker's main motivation is fun, but he also wants to show that anyone and everyone can and will become a monster if pushed far enough (or even if just given the chance). He's proven wrong, but doesn't care, just giving an annoyed shrug and attempting to blow the two boats sky high with his own detonator. All the while, the Joker states how he's just out to give Gotham a "[[EvilerThanThou better class of criminal]]". Alfred put it best when he said "[[ChaosIsEvil Some men just want to watch the world burn]]."
13th Apr '18 6:26:44 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[ComicBook/TheJoker]] (who describes himself as an "[[CardCarryingVillain agent of chaos]]") is introduced by killing each of his goons and an innocent bus driver after a bank robbery. The Joker proceeds to exploit the Mobís desire to be rid of Batman, casually murdering henchmen, politicians and police to force Batman to unmask himself. He also makes the accountant attempting to unmask Batman a target; ties a crime boss to a pile of money which he then burns; kills a gangster by [[EyeScream making a pencil disappear... eraser-end first]]; blows up a hospital; attempts a PrisonersDilemma scenario to get a boatload of civilians and prisoners to blow each other up; and, primarily by manipulating a SadisticChoice leading to Rachel Dawes's death,and then by [[MindRape mind raping]] an injured Harvey Dent in the hospital, is the driving force behind his transformation into Two-Face. The Joker's main motivation is fun, but he also wants to show that anyone and everyone can and will become a monster if pushed far enough (or even if just given the chance). He's proven wrong, but doesn't care, just giving an annoyed shrug and attempting to blow the two boats sky high with his own detonator. All the while, the Joker states how he's just out to give Gotham a "[[EvilerThanThou better class of criminal]]". Alfred put it best when he said "[[ChaosIsEvil Some men just want to watch the world burn]]."

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* CompleteMonster: [[ComicBook/TheJoker]] (who describes himself as an "[[CardCarryingVillain agent of chaos]]") is introduced [[EstablishingCharacterMoment introduced]] by killing each of his goons and an innocent bus driver after a bank robbery. The Joker proceeds to exploit the Mobís Mob's desire to be rid of Batman, casually murdering henchmen, politicians and police to force Batman to unmask himself. He also makes the accountant attempting to unmask Batman a target; ties a crime boss to a pile of money which he then burns; kills a gangster by [[EyeScream making a pencil disappear... eraser-end first]]; blows up a hospital; attempts a PrisonersDilemma scenario to get a boatload of civilians and prisoners to blow each other up; and, primarily by manipulating a SadisticChoice leading to Rachel Dawes's death,and then by [[MindRape mind raping]] an injured Harvey Dent in the hospital, is the driving force behind his transformation into Two-Face. The Joker's main motivation is fun, but he also wants to show that anyone and everyone can and will become a monster if pushed far enough (or even if just given the chance). He's proven wrong, but doesn't care, just giving an annoyed shrug and attempting to blow the two boats sky high with his own detonator. All the while, the Joker states how he's just out to give Gotham a "[[EvilerThanThou better class of criminal]]". Alfred put it best when he said "[[ChaosIsEvil Some men just want to watch the world burn]]."
13th Apr '18 6:24:24 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: ComicBook/TheJoker (who describes himself as an [[CardCarryingVillain "agent of chaos"]]) is [[EstablishingCharacterMoment introduced]] by [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness killing each of his goons]] and an innocent bus driver after a bank robbery. The Joker proceeds to exploit the Mobís desire to be rid of Franchise/{{Batman}}, casually murdering [[BadBoss henchmen]], politicians and [[CopKiller police]] to force Batman to unmask himself. He also makes the accountant attempting to unmask Batman a target; [[ManOnFire ties a crime boss to a pile of money which he then burns]]; kills a gangster by [[EyeScream making a pencil disappear...eraser-end first]]; blows up a hospital; attempts a Prisonerís Dilemma Scenario to get a boatload of civilians and prisoners to blow each other up; and, primarily by [[ManipulativeBastard manipulating]] a SadisticChoice leading to Rachel Dawes's death,and then by [[MindRape mind raping]] an injured Harvey Dent in the hospital, is the driving force behind [[StartOfDarkness his transformation into Two-Face]]. The Joker's main motivation is [[ForTheEvulz fun]], but he also wants to show that anyone and everyone can and will become a monster if pushed far enough (or even if just given the chance). He's proven wrong. Even so, he doesn't care; no VillainousBSOD, just an annoyed shrug and an attempt to blow the two boats sky high with his own detonator. All the while, the Joker states how [[EvilerThanThou heís just out to give Gotham a "better class of criminal"]]. Alfred put it best when he said [[ChaoticEvil "Some men]] just [[ChaosIsEvil want to watch the world burn."]]

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* CompleteMonster: ComicBook/TheJoker [[ComicBook/TheJoker]] (who describes himself as an [[CardCarryingVillain "agent "[[CardCarryingVillain agent of chaos"]]) chaos]]") is [[EstablishingCharacterMoment introduced]] introduced by [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness killing each of his goons]] goons and an innocent bus driver after a bank robbery. The Joker proceeds to exploit the Mobís desire to be rid of Franchise/{{Batman}}, Batman, casually murdering [[BadBoss henchmen]], henchmen, politicians and [[CopKiller police]] police to force Batman to unmask himself. He also makes the accountant attempting to unmask Batman a target; [[ManOnFire ties a crime boss to a pile of money which he then burns]]; burns; kills a gangster by [[EyeScream making a pencil disappear...disappear... eraser-end first]]; blows up a hospital; attempts a Prisonerís Dilemma Scenario PrisonersDilemma scenario to get a boatload of civilians and prisoners to blow each other up; and, primarily by [[ManipulativeBastard manipulating]] manipulating a SadisticChoice leading to Rachel Dawes's death,and then by [[MindRape mind raping]] an injured Harvey Dent in the hospital, is the driving force behind [[StartOfDarkness his transformation into Two-Face]]. Two-Face. The Joker's main motivation is [[ForTheEvulz fun]], fun, but he also wants to show that anyone and everyone can and will become a monster if pushed far enough (or even if just given the chance). He's proven wrong. Even so, he wrong, but doesn't care; no VillainousBSOD, care, just giving an annoyed shrug and an attempt attempting to blow the two boats sky high with his own detonator. All the while, the Joker states how [[EvilerThanThou heís he's just out to give Gotham a "better "[[EvilerThanThou better class of criminal"]]. criminal]]". Alfred put it best when he said [[ChaoticEvil "Some men]] "[[ChaosIsEvil Some men just [[ChaosIsEvil want to watch the world burn."]]burn]]."
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