History YMMV / TheDarkKnight

16th Aug '16 3:23:09 AM TrollBrutal
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* SignatureScene: "How about a magic trick? I'm gonna make this pencil [[EyeScream disappear]]."
16th Aug '16 3:13:13 AM TrollBrutal
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** "You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." comes off as an unlikely accurate [[{{Foreshadow}} prediction]]. There are plenty of outcomes in between off the top of your head, unless you are a man who has read the script.
15th Aug '16 2:41:54 PM megarotic
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* FollowTheLeader: The film had a profound impact on action movies after it came out. The emphasis on more realism, practical effects, more terrorist-flavored villains, and the feeling that AnyoneCanDie without warning influenced franchises from James Bond to The Avengers to Star Trek. In particular, the TrojanPrisoner (villain gets caught in the second act, causes death and mayhem, and then escapes while the heroes acknowledge "he ''wanted to get caught!") began getting used a lot after the Joker used it.
13th Aug '16 9:59:22 AM RogueJedi
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* FauxSymbolism:
** There seems to be a subtle theme about dogs in The Dark Knight. Seriously. Go back and watch it again, looking out for references to, and appearances by, dogs. The meaning behind them is debatable, but it can't be coincidence.
** Dogs are a symbol for the Joker. He's the "dog chasing cars" and the ultimate cynic[[note]]the word derives from Ancient Greek κυνικός (kynikos), meaning "dog-like"[[/note]]. At first, the Chechen mobster has dogs on a leash -- to deal with Batman -- but by the end the dogs are turned against their former master in the same way the Joker overthrew the mobsters' control. Also, there's probably some Cerberus thing you could take from the three dogs.
** Look at the Joker leaning his head out of the police car's window [[spoiler:after his escape.]] You've probably seen a dog stick its head out a rolled down car window in the exact same manner numerous times on the road.
** The Joker is symbolic in another way: he's almost more an anarchic, chaotic force of destruction than a man, and exemplifies the theme of ''corruption''. You see it throughout the movie, how he seeps like a poison into every corrupt and dark underside of Gotham, undermining order, twisting [[spoiler:Harvey Dent's righteous anger into something evil]], and undermining Batman's confidence in what he's doing.
** For a more straightforward example, when [[spoiler:Rachel and Harvey are kidnapped the lights in the warehouse where Harvey is held are on, whereas Rachel's are switched off. Could also qualify as Foreshadowing, but only by a few seconds.]]
29th Jul '16 1:16:48 PM morenohijazo
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* CompleteMonster: ComicBook/TheJoker (who describes himself as an [[CardCarryingVillain "agent of chaos"]]) is [[EstablishingCharacterMoment introduced]] by [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness killing each of his goons]] during a bank robbery. The Joker proceeds to exploit the Mobís desire to be rid of Franchise/{{Batman}}, casually murdering [[BadBoss henchmen]], politicians and [[CopKiller police]] to force Batman to unmask himself. He also makes the accountant attempting to unmask Batman a target; [[ManOnFire ties a crime boss to a pile of money which he then burns]]; kills a gangster by [[EyeScream making a pencil disappear...eraser-end first]]; blows up a hospital; attempts a Prisonerís Dilemma Scenario to get a boatload of civilians and prisoners to blow each other up; and, primarily by [[ManipulativeBastard manipulating]] a SadisticChoice leading to Rachel Dawes's death, and then by {{mind rap|e}}ing an injured Harvey Dent in the hospital and is the driving force behind [[StartOfDarkness his transformation into Two-Face]]. The Joker's main motivation is [[ForTheEvulz fun]], but he also wants to show that anyone and everyone can and will become a monster if pushed far enough (or even if just given the chance). He's proven wrong. Even so, he doesn't care; no VillainousBSOD, just an annoyed shrug and an attempt to blow the two boats sky high with his own detonator. All the while, the Joker states how [[EvilerThanThou heís just out to give Gotham a "better class of criminal"]]. Alfred put it best when he said [[ChaoticEvil "Some men]] just [[ChaosIsEvil want to watch the world burn."]]

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* CompleteMonster: ComicBook/TheJoker (who describes himself as an [[CardCarryingVillain "agent of chaos"]]) is [[EstablishingCharacterMoment introduced]] by [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness killing each of his goons]] during a bank robbery. The Joker proceeds to exploit the Mobís desire to be rid of Franchise/{{Batman}}, casually murdering [[BadBoss henchmen]], politicians and [[CopKiller police]] to force Batman to unmask himself. He also makes the accountant attempting to unmask Batman a target; [[ManOnFire ties a crime boss to a pile of money which he then burns]]; kills a gangster by [[EyeScream making a pencil disappear...eraser-end first]]; blows up a hospital; attempts a Prisonerís Dilemma PrisonersDilemma Scenario to get a boatload of civilians and prisoners to blow each other up; and, primarily by [[ManipulativeBastard manipulating]] a SadisticChoice leading to Rachel Dawes's death, and then by {{mind rap|e}}ing an injured Harvey Dent in the hospital and is the driving force behind [[StartOfDarkness his transformation into Two-Face]]. The Joker's main motivation is [[ForTheEvulz fun]], but he also wants to show that anyone and everyone can and will become a monster if pushed far enough (or even if just given the chance). He's proven wrong. Even so, he doesn't care; no VillainousBSOD, just an annoyed shrug and an attempt to blow the two boats sky high with his own detonator. All the while, the Joker states how [[EvilerThanThou heís just out to give Gotham a "better class of criminal"]]. Alfred put it best when he said [[ChaoticEvil "Some men]] just [[ChaosIsEvil want to watch the world burn."]]



** The scene with the [[spoiler:two boats being forced to decide to destroy each other]] is an example of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoners_dilemma Prisoner's Dilemma]]. One of the boats is filled with ''actual'' prisoners (prison inmates, that is), which becomes a dilemma because [[spoiler: the terrified citizens immediately assume that the prisoners--being violent criminals--will kill them if they don't kill them first]].

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** The scene with the [[spoiler:two boats being forced to decide to destroy each other]] is an example of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoners_dilemma Prisoner's Dilemma]].PrisonersDilemma. One of the boats is filled with ''actual'' prisoners (prison inmates, that is), which becomes a dilemma because [[spoiler: the terrified citizens immediately assume that the prisoners--being violent criminals--will kill them if they don't kill them first]].
23rd Jul '16 10:21:50 AM Tyk5919
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** The Joker kills the Chechen by having him fed to his own dogs, claiming that a dog is not loyal to anyone when it's hungry. [[spoiler:This is exactly how Ramsay Bolton dies in ''Series/GameOfThrones'', specifically because he starved his dogs]].
9th Jul '16 5:01:12 PM TheMightyHeptagon
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** The scene with the [[spoiler:two boats being forced to decide to destroy each other]] is an example of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoners_dilemma Prisoner's Dilemma]]. One of the boats is filled with ''actual'' prisoners (prison inmates, that is), which becomes a dilemma because [[spoiler: the terrified citizens immediately assume that the prisoners--being violent criminals--will kill them]].

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** The scene with the [[spoiler:two boats being forced to decide to destroy each other]] is an example of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoners_dilemma Prisoner's Dilemma]]. One of the boats is filled with ''actual'' prisoners (prison inmates, that is), which becomes a dilemma because [[spoiler: the terrified citizens immediately assume that the prisoners--being violent criminals--will kill them]].them if they don't kill them first]].
9th Jul '16 5:00:41 PM TheMightyHeptagon
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** The scene with the [[spoiler:two boats being forced to decide to destroy each other]] is an example of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoners_dilemma Prisoner's Dilemma]].

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** The scene with the [[spoiler:two boats being forced to decide to destroy each other]] is an example of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoners_dilemma Prisoner's Dilemma]]. One of the boats is filled with ''actual'' prisoners (prison inmates, that is), which becomes a dilemma because [[spoiler: the terrified citizens immediately assume that the prisoners--being violent criminals--will kill them]].
23rd May '16 2:54:50 AM HarryLovesHermione
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** When Grumpy is run over by the bus in the bank heist, it's very obvious the stunt actor is several feet away from the bus before being yanked backward. While obviously you don't want anyone getting hit by a bus for real, one would've hoped that they would've found a better camera angle or edit to keep the illusion.
22nd Feb '16 8:05:56 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker (who describes himself as an [[CardCarryingVillain "agent of chaos"]]) is [[EstablishingCharacterMoment introduced]] by [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness killing each of his goons]] during a bank robbery. The Joker proceeds to exploit the Mobís desire to be rid of Franchise/{{Batman}}, casually murdering [[BadBoss henchmen]], politicians and [[CopKiller police]] to force Batman to unmask himself. He also makes the accountant attempting to unmask Batman a target; [[ManOnFire ties a crime boss to a pile of money which he then burns]]; kills a gangster by [[EyeScream making a pencil disappear...eraser-end first]]; blows up a hospital; attempts a Prisonerís Dilemma Scenario to get a boatload of civilians and prisoners to blow each other up; and, primarily by [[ManipulativeBastard manipulating]] a SadisticChoice leading to Rachel Dawes's death, and then by {{mind rap|e}}ing an injured Harvey Dent in the hospital and is the driving force behind [[StartOfDarkness his transformation into Two-Face]]. The Joker's main motivation is [[ForTheEvulz fun]], but he also wants to show that anyone and everyone can and will become a monster if pushed far enough (or even if just given the chance). He's proven wrong. Even so, he doesn't care; no VillainousBSOD, just an annoyed shrug and an attempt to blow the two boats sky high with his own detonator. All the while, the Joker states how [[EvilerThanThou heís just out to give Gotham a "better class of criminal"]]. Alfred put it best when he said [[ChaoticEvil "Some men]] just [[ChaosIsEvil want to watch the world burn."]]

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* CompleteMonster: SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker (who describes himself as an [[CardCarryingVillain "agent of chaos"]]) is [[EstablishingCharacterMoment introduced]] by [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness killing each of his goons]] during a bank robbery. The Joker proceeds to exploit the Mobís desire to be rid of Franchise/{{Batman}}, casually murdering [[BadBoss henchmen]], politicians and [[CopKiller police]] to force Batman to unmask himself. He also makes the accountant attempting to unmask Batman a target; [[ManOnFire ties a crime boss to a pile of money which he then burns]]; kills a gangster by [[EyeScream making a pencil disappear...eraser-end first]]; blows up a hospital; attempts a Prisonerís Dilemma Scenario to get a boatload of civilians and prisoners to blow each other up; and, primarily by [[ManipulativeBastard manipulating]] a SadisticChoice leading to Rachel Dawes's death, and then by {{mind rap|e}}ing an injured Harvey Dent in the hospital and is the driving force behind [[StartOfDarkness his transformation into Two-Face]]. The Joker's main motivation is [[ForTheEvulz fun]], but he also wants to show that anyone and everyone can and will become a monster if pushed far enough (or even if just given the chance). He's proven wrong. Even so, he doesn't care; no VillainousBSOD, just an annoyed shrug and an attempt to blow the two boats sky high with his own detonator. All the while, the Joker states how [[EvilerThanThou heís just out to give Gotham a "better class of criminal"]]. Alfred put it best when he said [[ChaoticEvil "Some men]] just [[ChaosIsEvil want to watch the world burn."]]
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