History YMMV / TheDarkKnight

18th Feb '17 3:37:18 AM chizo
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* CriticalResearchFailure: When Batman goes to retrieve Lau from Hong Kong, all the Chinese characters speak in Mandarin. Hong Kong is a Cantonese speaking region and unintelligible with Mandarin. While Lau could have been performing business in Mandarin, he continues to speak in Mandarin instead of Cantonese to the guards that attempt to rescue him.
14th Jan '17 7:32:05 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: ComicBook/TheJoker (who describes himself as an "agent of chaos") is introduced by killing each of his goons during a bank robbery. The Joker proceeds to exploit the Mobís desire to be rid of Batman, casually murdering henchmen, politicians and police to force Batman to unmask himself. He also makes the accountant attempting to unmask Batman a target; ties a crime boss to a pile of money which he then burns; kills a gangster by making a pencil disappear...eraser-end first; blows up a hospital; attempts a PrisonersDilemma Scenario to get a boatload of civilians and prisoners to blow each other up; and, primarily by manipulating a SadisticChoice leading to Rachel Dawes's death, and then by {{mind rap|e}}ing an injured Harvey Dent in the hospital and is the driving force behind his transformation into Two-Face. The Joker's main motivation is fun, but he also wants to show that anyone and everyone can and will become a monster if pushed far enough (or even if just given the chance). He's proven wrong. Even so, he doesn't care; no VillainousBSOD, just an annoyed shrug and an attempt to blow the two boats sky high with his own detonator. All the while, the Joker states how heís just out to give Gotham a "better class of criminal". Alfred put it best when he said "Some men just want to watch the world burn."

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* CompleteMonster: ComicBook/TheJoker (who describes himself as an [[CardCarryingVillain "agent of chaos") chaos"]]) is introduced [[EstablishingCharacterMoment introduced]] by [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness killing each of his goons during goons]] and an innocent bus driver after a bank robbery. The Joker proceeds to exploit the Mobís desire to be rid of Batman, Franchise/{{Batman}}, casually murdering henchmen, [[BadBoss henchmen]], politicians and police [[CopKiller police]] to force Batman to unmask himself. He also makes the accountant attempting to unmask Batman a target; [[ManOnFire ties a crime boss to a pile of money which he then burns; burns]]; kills a gangster by [[EyeScream making a pencil disappear...eraser-end first; first]]; blows up a hospital; attempts a PrisonersDilemma Prisonerís Dilemma Scenario to get a boatload of civilians and prisoners to blow each other up; and, primarily by manipulating [[ManipulativeBastard manipulating]] a SadisticChoice leading to Rachel Dawes's death, and death,and then by {{mind rap|e}}ing [[MindRape mind raping]] an injured Harvey Dent in the hospital and hospital, is the driving force behind [[StartOfDarkness his transformation into Two-Face. Two-Face]]. The Joker's main motivation is fun, [[ForTheEvulz fun]], but he also wants to show that anyone and everyone can and will become a monster if pushed far enough (or even if just given the chance). He's proven wrong. Even so, he doesn't care; no VillainousBSOD, just an annoyed shrug and an attempt to blow the two boats sky high with his own detonator. All the while, the Joker states how [[EvilerThanThou heís just out to give Gotham a "better class of criminal". criminal"]]. Alfred put it best when he said [[ChaoticEvil "Some men men]] just [[ChaosIsEvil want to watch the world burn.""]]
26th Dec '16 11:17:45 AM maxwellsilver
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* CompleteMonster: ComicBook/TheJoker (who describes himself as an [[CardCarryingVillain "agent of chaos"]]) is [[EstablishingCharacterMoment introduced]] by [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness killing each of his goons]] during a bank robbery. The Joker proceeds to exploit the Mobís desire to be rid of Franchise/{{Batman}}, casually murdering [[BadBoss henchmen]], politicians and [[CopKiller police]] to force Batman to unmask himself. He also makes the accountant attempting to unmask Batman a target; [[ManOnFire ties a crime boss to a pile of money which he then burns]]; kills a gangster by [[EyeScream making a pencil disappear...eraser-end first]]; blows up a hospital; attempts a PrisonersDilemma Scenario to get a boatload of civilians and prisoners to blow each other up; and, primarily by [[ManipulativeBastard manipulating]] a SadisticChoice leading to Rachel Dawes's death, and then by {{mind rap|e}}ing an injured Harvey Dent in the hospital and is the driving force behind [[StartOfDarkness his transformation into Two-Face]]. The Joker's main motivation is [[ForTheEvulz fun]], but he also wants to show that anyone and everyone can and will become a monster if pushed far enough (or even if just given the chance). He's proven wrong. Even so, he doesn't care; no VillainousBSOD, just an annoyed shrug and an attempt to blow the two boats sky high with his own detonator. All the while, the Joker states how [[EvilerThanThou heís just out to give Gotham a "better class of criminal"]]. Alfred put it best when he said [[ChaoticEvil "Some men]] just [[ChaosIsEvil want to watch the world burn."]]

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* CompleteMonster: ComicBook/TheJoker (who describes himself as an [[CardCarryingVillain "agent of chaos"]]) chaos") is [[EstablishingCharacterMoment introduced]] introduced by [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness killing each of his goons]] goons during a bank robbery. The Joker proceeds to exploit the Mobís desire to be rid of Franchise/{{Batman}}, Batman, casually murdering [[BadBoss henchmen]], henchmen, politicians and [[CopKiller police]] police to force Batman to unmask himself. He also makes the accountant attempting to unmask Batman a target; [[ManOnFire ties a crime boss to a pile of money which he then burns]]; burns; kills a gangster by [[EyeScream making a pencil disappear...eraser-end first]]; first; blows up a hospital; attempts a PrisonersDilemma Scenario to get a boatload of civilians and prisoners to blow each other up; and, primarily by [[ManipulativeBastard manipulating]] manipulating a SadisticChoice leading to Rachel Dawes's death, and then by {{mind rap|e}}ing an injured Harvey Dent in the hospital and is the driving force behind [[StartOfDarkness his transformation into Two-Face]]. Two-Face. The Joker's main motivation is [[ForTheEvulz fun]], fun, but he also wants to show that anyone and everyone can and will become a monster if pushed far enough (or even if just given the chance). He's proven wrong. Even so, he doesn't care; no VillainousBSOD, just an annoyed shrug and an attempt to blow the two boats sky high with his own detonator. All the while, the Joker states how [[EvilerThanThou heís just out to give Gotham a "better class of criminal"]]. criminal". Alfred put it best when he said [[ChaoticEvil "Some men]] men just [[ChaosIsEvil want to watch the world burn."]]"



** In fact, the only mobsters who ''don't'' cross the MEH are Sal Maroni, who only let the Chechen hire the Joker because of Lau's capture and only refuses to rat the Joker out to Batman because he's truly scared of the Joker ("Have you met this guy?"); Gambol, who knew from the start that the Joker was bad news not just for Gotham but for its organized crime community as well and actually stood up to the freak; and the Gotham National Bank manager, who bravely stands up to the Joker during the bank robbery and ices Chuckles (and tags Grumpy in the shoulder), to say nothing of [[EvenEvilHasStandards what he thinks about the endless backstabbing he witnesses throughout]].

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** In fact, the only mobsters who ''don't'' cross the MEH Horizon are Sal Maroni, who only let lets the Chechen hire the Joker because of Lau's capture and only refuses to rat the Joker out to Batman because he's truly scared of the Joker ("Have you met this guy?"); Gambol, who knew from the start that the Joker was bad news not just for Gotham but for its organized crime community as well and actually stood up to the freak; and the Gotham National Bank manager, who bravely stands up to the Joker during the bank robbery and ices Chuckles (and tags Grumpy in the shoulder), to say nothing of [[EvenEvilHasStandards what he thinks about the endless backstabbing he witnesses throughout]].throughout.
26th Dec '16 10:35:19 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* IdiotPlot: Dent being transported in police custody after claiming to be Batman. The police convoy is forced to take the underpass system because The Joker created a roadblock with a fire engine on fire, leaving them without air support and completely exposed. Except, the opposing lane was unobstructed and open, meaning they didn't need to use the underpass at all.
26th Dec '16 10:31:56 AM maxwellsilver
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* IdiotPlot: Dent being transported in police custody after claiming to be Batman. The police convoy is forced to take the underpass system because The Joker created a roadblock with a fire engine on fire, leaving them without air support and completely exposed. Except, the opposing lane was unobstructed and open, meaning they didn't need to use the underpass at all.
18th Dec '16 12:21:36 AM Quanyails
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** On that note, while Heath Ledger did a fantastic job as the Joker and earned his Best Supporting Actor award, it's hard to deny Aaron Eckhart had a heart wrenching performance as Harvey Dent....

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** On that note, while Heath Ledger did a fantastic job as the Joker and earned his Best Supporting Actor award, it's hard to deny Aaron Eckhart had a heart wrenching heart-wrenching performance as Harvey Dent....
9th Dec '16 2:17:08 AM Rodangizzardcrusher3
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** The line ''"you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"'' is this now that Creator/MichaelKeaton, who played the Caped Crusader in [[Film/{{Batman}} the Tim Burton films]], plays the Marvel villain The Vulture in ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming''.
14th Nov '16 2:27:25 PM Miracle@StOlaf
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* FollowTheLeader: The film had a profound impact on action movies after it came out. The emphasis on more realism, practical effects, more terrorist-flavored villains, and the feeling that AnyoneCanDie without warning influenced franchises from James Bond to The Avengers to Star Trek. In particular, the TrojanPrisoner (villain gets caught in the second act, causes death and mayhem, and then escapes while the heroes acknowledge "he ''wanted to get caught!") began getting used a lot after the Joker used it.

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* FollowTheLeader: FollowTheLeader:
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The film had a profound impact on action movies after it came out. The emphasis on more realism, practical effects, more terrorist-flavored villains, and the feeling that AnyoneCanDie without warning influenced franchises from James Bond to The Avengers to Star Trek. In particular, the TrojanPrisoner (villain gets caught in the second act, causes death and mayhem, and then escapes while the heroes acknowledge "he ''wanted to get caught!") began getting used a lot after the Joker used it.it.
** The DC cinematic universe, perhaps hoping for the same lightning to strike twice, also recycled this film's excellent and appropriate use of gritty realism for several of their subsequent movies, whether or not the darker tone was a good complement to the different source material. Critical reception to these choices has been [[LoveItOrHateIt decidedly mixed]].
3rd Oct '16 4:34:42 PM DocJamore
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** Due to the insane popularity of Heath Ledger's Joker, die-hard fans of Creator/MarkHamill's Joker from the Franchise/{{DCAU}} aren't as kind on Ledger. The same can be said for die-hard fans of Jack Nicholson's take on the Joker which still remains popular in the hearts of many old school fans and aren't kind to the rabid fans of Ledger (who in turn are the cause of an extreme case of FanDumb).

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** Due to the insane popularity of Heath Ledger's Joker, die-hard fans of Creator/MarkHamill's Joker from the Franchise/{{DCAU}} aren't as kind on Ledger. The same can be said for die-hard fans of Jack Nicholson's take on the Joker which still remains popular in the hearts of many old school fans and aren't kind to the rabid fans of Ledger (who in turn are the cause of an extreme case of FanDumb).Ledger.
13th Sep '16 5:49:45 AM gravious
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** The film ends with Alfred, Bruce, and Gordon all concluding that sometimes a symbol matters more than the man behind the symbol, even if you have to take ethically troublesome steps to protect its power.

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** The film ends with Alfred, Bruce, and Gordon all concluding that sometimes a symbol matters more than the man behind the symbol, even if you have to take ethically troublesome steps to protect its power. Alfred's story of the Burmese bandit lampshades the ethically troublesome part.
-->'''Bruce:''' The bandit, in the forest in Burma, did you catch him?
-->'''Alfred:''' Yes.
-->'''Bruce:''' How?
-->'''Alfred:''' We burned the forest down.
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