History YMMV / TheCloneSaga

10th Feb '18 3:14:53 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* CompleteMonster: This story marks the graduation of ComicBook/NormanOsborn from mentally ill SympatheticMurderer to complete and utter bastard.



* MoralEventHorizon: This story marks the graduation of ComicBook/NormanOsborn from mentally ill SympatheticMurderer to complete and utter bastard.



* ReplacementScrappy: Ben Reilly was generally well-liked in his Scarlet Spider days, but the moment he was declared the original Peter Parker, the fandom saw him as this. Things only got worse once he officially became Spider-Man. Crashing sales led to a reversal as quickly as possible.



* ReplacementScrappy: Ben Reilly was generally well-liked in his Scarlet Spider days, but the moment he was declared the original Peter Parker, the fandom saw him as this. Things only got worse once he officially became Spider-Man. Crashing sales led to a reversal as quickly as possible.



* VillainDecay: Judas Traveller was introduced as an ominous character with great mystical powers who managed to [[TheWorfEffect subdue villains like Carnage]] in his first appearrance and it is implied later that he's Judas Iscariot himself. [[spoiler:It's eventually revealed that he's actually a mutant with the ability of altering perception, making others think he's more powerful than what he is in reality]].
10th Feb '18 3:08:30 PM CaptainTedium
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* ArchivePanic: Taking into account the number of issues, miniseries, and one-shots that make up the Clone Saga, it'd take you some time to catch up on the series in its entirety.
1st Feb '18 4:28:33 PM EternityofSpirits
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* SeasonalRot: Many feel that the saga started strong with an interesting hook, but a combination of ExecutiveMeddling and the writers inability to figure out a satisfying solution caused things to fall apart.


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* VindicatedByHistory: To a degree. While still universally considered a mess, the saga is widely considered to have been a good premise gone terribly wrong, and Ben Reilly and Kaine have gained considerable fanbases.
29th Jan '18 8:15:16 AM Anicomicgeek
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** What the Clone Saga as a whole as deemed by many fans. It could also be argued that this was the continuation of an earlier DorkAge or that it simply led into another DorkAge (some of the stories afterward were not received very well). And some people say that Spider-Man has been in one giant DorkAge since the nineties, and this was just a more prominent period of said DorkAge.
** One of the things that may not be immediately apparent is that before the Clone Saga, Peter Parker was going through some changes in an attempt to make him DarkerAndEdgier. Among other things, he was abandoning his Peter Parker identity and calling himself "the Spider". It's likely that the initial interest in Ben Reilly was because at the time, ''[[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy he was more like Spider-Man than Peter Parker was]]''. No wonder some thought Peter was the clone. Oh, and the event that caused this dark turn was another story that went on too long: the supposed return of Peter's parents (the trend was already in place).\\
It has been alleged that the writers [[IntendedAudienceReaction did this on purpose]] to make people accept Ben as the original and Peter the clone.

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** What the Clone Saga as a whole as deemed by many fans. It could also be argued that this was the continuation of an earlier DorkAge or that it simply led into another DorkAge (some of the stories afterward were not received very well). And some people say that Spider-Man has been in one giant DorkAge since the nineties, and this was just a more prominent period of said DorkAge. \n** \\\
One of the things that may not be immediately apparent is that before the Clone Saga, Peter Parker was going through some changes in an attempt to make him DarkerAndEdgier. Among other things, he was abandoning his Peter Parker identity and calling himself "the Spider". It's likely that the initial interest in Ben Reilly was because at the time, ''[[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy he was more like Spider-Man than Peter Parker was]]''. No wonder some thought Peter was the clone. Oh, and the event that caused this dark turn was another story that went on too long: the supposed return of Peter's parents (the trend was already in place).\\
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Additionally, it has been alleged that the writers [[IntendedAudienceReaction did this on purpose]] to make people accept Ben as the original and Peter the clone.
29th Jan '18 8:14:05 AM Anicomicgeek
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: For some, Ben Reilly typifies '90s comics industry excess, while for others, he's a fascinating look into WhatMightHaveBeen: a new Spider-Man, with his own set of struggles and supporting characters.



** For some, Ben Reilly typifies 90s comics industry excess, while for others, he's a fascinating look into WhatMightHaveBeen: a new Spider-Man, with his own set of struggles and supporting characters.



* DorkAge: What the Clone Saga as a whole as deemed by many fans. It could also be argued that this was the continuation of an earlier DorkAge or that it simply led into another DorkAge (some of the stories afterward were not received very well). And some people say that Spider-Man has been in one giant DorkAge since the nineties, and this was just a more prominent period of said DorkAge.
** One of the things that may not be immediately apparent is that before the Clone Saga, Peter Parker was going through some changes in an attempt to make him DarkerAndEdgier. Among other things, he was abandoning his Peter Parker identity and calling himself "the Spider". It's likely that the initial interest in Ben Reilly was because at the time, ''[[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy he was more like Spider-Man than Peter Parker was]]''. No wonder some thought Peter was the clone. Oh, and the event that caused this dark turn was another story that went on too long: the supposed return of Peter's parents (the trend was already in place).
*** It has been alleged that the writers [[IntendedAudienceReaction did this on purpose]] to make people accept Ben as the original and Peter the clone.

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What the Clone Saga as a whole as deemed by many fans. It could also be argued that this was the continuation of an earlier DorkAge or that it simply led into another DorkAge (some of the stories afterward were not received very well). And some people say that Spider-Man has been in one giant DorkAge since the nineties, and this was just a more prominent period of said DorkAge.
** One of the things that may not be immediately apparent is that before the Clone Saga, Peter Parker was going through some changes in an attempt to make him DarkerAndEdgier. Among other things, he was abandoning his Peter Parker identity and calling himself "the Spider". It's likely that the initial interest in Ben Reilly was because at the time, ''[[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy he was more like Spider-Man than Peter Parker was]]''. No wonder some thought Peter was the clone. Oh, and the event that caused this dark turn was another story that went on too long: the supposed return of Peter's parents (the trend was already in place).
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It has been alleged that the writers [[IntendedAudienceReaction did this on purpose]] to make people accept Ben as the original and Peter the clone.



* TearJerker: The death of [[spoiler:Aunt May]]. Made less so when it was revealed she was a genetically-modified actor after the Clone Saga.

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The death of [[spoiler:Aunt May]]. Made less so when it was revealed she was a genetically-modified actor after the Clone Saga.
19th Oct '17 11:05:36 PM PrincessGwen
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* VillainDecay: Judas Traveller was introduced as a ominous character with great mystical powers who managed to [[TheWorfEffect subdue villains like Carnage]] in his first appearrance and it is implied later that he's Judas Iscariot himself. [[spoiler:Is eventually revealed that he's actually a mutant with the ability of altering perception, making others think he's more powerful than what he is in reality]].

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* VillainDecay: Judas Traveller was introduced as a an ominous character with great mystical powers who managed to [[TheWorfEffect subdue villains like Carnage]] in his first appearrance and it is implied later that he's Judas Iscariot himself. [[spoiler:Is [[spoiler:It's eventually revealed that he's actually a mutant with the ability of altering perception, making others think he's more powerful than what he is in reality]].
5th Aug '17 11:35:37 PM BeastC
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* HeartwarmingMoments: Kaine meeting his "niece" for the first time, and being [[StunnedSilence rendered speechless]] when he discovers Peter and Mary Jane named her May.
5th Aug '17 11:32:08 PM BeastC
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* BetterThanCanon: The story still has its detractors but is still considered a superior version of a much reviled DorkAge. Could be seen as DamnedByFaintPraise, though.



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* AuthorsSavingThrowAuthorsSavingThrow: The entire point of the miniseries was to tell a more cohesive version of a three-year-long storyline that marked itself as ''the'' DorkAge for the ''Spider-Man'' franchise.
* BrokenBase: Was the series BetterThanCanon that told the story as the original creators intended? Or is it ultimately still a lackluster story filled with LyingCreator moments due to behind-the-scenes commentary?
14th Aug '16 8:21:50 AM CaptainMar-Vell92
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* VillainDecay: Judas Traveller was introduced as a ominous character with great mystical powers who managed to [[TheWorfEffect subdue villains like Carnage]] in his first appearrance and it is implied later that he's Judas Iscariot himself. [[spoiler:Is eventually revealed that he's actually a mutant with the ability of altering perception, making others think he's more powerful than what he is in reality]].
6th Jul '16 10:15:13 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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## Ben Reilly is revealed to be the clone and melts away. Mary Jane ''also'' disintegrates, revealing that the Jackal had replaced her with a clone long ago, and that Peter was never married to begin with. ("[[Film/AustinPowers Wait a tick -- I'm single again!]]")

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## Ben Reilly is revealed to be the clone and melts away. Mary Jane ''also'' disintegrates, revealing that the Jackal had replaced her with a clone long ago, and that Peter was never married to begin with. ("[[Film/AustinPowers Wait a tick -- That means I'm single again!]]")
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