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* ClicheStorm: Veteran viewers of the show can pretty much help you predict what will happen next; Either a LoveTriangle plot where either one of the characters is [[DerailingLoveInterests villainized to prop the other]] if one the writers are giving the protagonist treatment aren't popular with the audience, or it's a cheating scandal in an effort to switch things up between couples and seem fresh. If it isn't that? Then it's Sheila Carter coming to wreak havoc on everyone, particularly the Forresters and recent times, her son Finn.
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** Finn's sudden softening to Sheila mid-2023 after a simple visit to her in prison ended up him bring her back into his family's life was infamously remembered, with many citing that there was little to no build up as to what softened him up to her again especially after he had been previously shot and held hostage by her a year ago. It was also noted for feeling like a deliberate attempt to darken Finn and [[DesignatedHero make Liam seem like the better option]] to justify splitting him and Steffy up, even after some of the rotten things Liam pulled with her and Hope in the past and present season, including [[ForcefulKiss forcibly kissing Steffy twice behind Finn's back]].

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** Finn's sudden softening to suddenly softens upto Sheila mid-2023 after a simple visit to her in prison ended up him bring her back into his family's life was infamously remembered, prison, with many citing that there was little to no build up as to what softened him up to her again especially after he had been previously shot and held hostage by her a year ago. It was also noted for feeling like a deliberate attempt to darken Finn and [[DesignatedHero make Liam seem like the better option]] to justify splitting him and Steffy up, even after some of the rotten things Liam pulled with her and Hope in the past and present season, including [[ForcefulKiss forcibly kissing Steffy twice behind Finn's back]].
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: A viewer could be forgiven for ultimately being unable to invest in the in the show given how much misfortune and little focus there is for [[TheEveryman the more upstanding side characters]] and how frequently characters cheat, divorce, or break up in a short span of time. Combined with the fact that Sheila is now the show's main villain, who is seemingly unstoppable and [[ShaggyDogStory always finds a way out of facing justice or rendering any attempts moot]], it all creates a much darker show than intended.

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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: A viewer could be forgiven for ultimately being unable to emotionally invest in the in the show given how much misfortune and little focus there is for [[TheEveryman the more upstanding side characters]] and how frequently characters cheat, divorce, or break up in a relatively short span of time. Combined with the fact that Sheila is now the show's main villain, who is [[KarmaHoudini seemingly unstoppable unstoppable]] and [[ShaggyDogStory always finds a way out of facing justice or rendering any attempts moot]], it all creates a much darker show soap opera than intended.

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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: A viewer could be forgiven for ultimately being unable to invest in the in the show given how much misfortune and little focus there is for [[TheEveryman the more upstanding side characters]] and how frequently characters cheat, divorce, or break up in a short span of time. Combined with the fact that Sheila is now the show's main villain, who is seemingly unstoppable and [[ShaggyDogStory always finds a way out of facing justice or rendering any attempts moot]], it all creates a much darker show than intended.


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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: A viewer could be forgiven for ultimately being unable to invest in the in the show given how much misfortune and little focus there is for [[TheEveryman the more upstanding side characters]] and how frequently characters cheat, divorce, or break up in a short span of time. Combined with the fact that Sheila is now the show's main villain, who is seemingly unstoppable and [[ShaggyDogStory always finds a way out of facing justice or rendering any attempts moot]], it all creates a much darker show than intended.
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: A viewer could be forgiven for ultimately being unable to invest in the in the show given how much misfortune and little focus there is for [[TheEveryman the more upstanding side characters]] and how frequently characters cheat, divorce, or break up in a short span of time. Combined with the fact that Sheila is now the show's main villain, who is seemingly unstoppable and [[ShaggyDogStory always finds a way out of facing justice or rendering any attempts moot]], it all creates a much darker show than intended.
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*** When Sheila's trial happened, Bill and Ridge's entire scheme was revealed to backfire due to [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome the fact that the confession was coerced and connections with the feds were used]], which caused his actions against Finn and Steffy (who couldn't press charges because Bill blackmailed them) to gain them more ire than they ever did before from audiences.

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*** **** When Sheila's trial happened, Bill and Ridge's entire scheme was revealed to backfire due to [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome the fact that the confession was coerced and connections with the feds were used]], which caused his actions against Finn and Steffy (who couldn't press charges because Bill blackmailed them) to gain them more ire than they ever did before from audiences.

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** Finn's sudden softening to Sheila mid-2023 after a simple visit to her in prison ended up him bring her back into his family's life was an infamous ass ull, with many citing that there was little to no build up as to what softened him up to her again especially after he had been previously shot and held hostage by her a year ago. It was also noted for feeling like a deliberate attempt to darken Finn and [[DesignatedHero make Liam seem like the better option]] to justify splitting him and Steffy up, even after some of the rotten things Liam pulled with her and Hope in the past and present season, including [[ForcefulKiss forcibly kissing Steffy twice behind Finn's back]].

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** Finn's sudden softening to Sheila mid-2023 after a simple visit to her in prison ended up him bring her back into his family's life was an infamous ass ull, infamously remembered, with many citing that there was little to no build up as to what softened him up to her again especially after he had been previously shot and held hostage by her a year ago. It was also noted for feeling like a deliberate attempt to darken Finn and [[DesignatedHero make Liam seem like the better option]] to justify splitting him and Steffy up, even after some of the rotten things Liam pulled with her and Hope in the past and present season, including [[ForcefulKiss forcibly kissing Steffy twice behind Finn's back]].



** Ridge "RJ" Forrester Jr. was a welcome addition (or rather, ''re''-addition) to the cast in 2023 given his appeal and relatability to younger audiences and is seen as a way of bringing in fans from the newer generations to the Bold and the Beautiful viewerbase.
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*** In the second conflict between Liam, Finn, and Steffy, he's presented as the better option for Steffy simply on the account of that Finn went soft over Sheila again and he vowed to protect his daughter and ex, but given that it was ''[[{{Manchild}} Liam]] [[SerialHomewrecker Spencer]]'', the same guy who walked on Steffy when she was pregnant who also has proved to be able to defend herself against Sheila without his help, was the one to inform her about it made him seen as anything but. Coupled with the fact that he is a vindictive BitchInSheepsClothing who ''immediately'' came crawling back to Steffy after he divorced hope and [[ForcefulKiss kissed her behind Finn's back twice]], he was seen as more of an OpportunisticBastard.

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*** In the second conflict between Liam, Finn, and Steffy, he's presented as the better option for Steffy simply on the account of that Finn went soft over Sheila again and he vowed to protect his daughter and ex, but given that it was ''[[{{Manchild}} Liam]] [[SerialHomewrecker Spencer]]'', the same guy who walked out on Steffy when she was pregnant who also has proved to be able to defend herself against Sheila without his help, was the one to inform her about it made him seen as anything but. Coupled with the fact that he is a vindictive BitchInSheepsClothing who ''immediately'' came crawling back to Steffy after he divorced hope and [[ForcefulKiss kissed her behind Finn's back twice]], he was seen as more of an OpportunisticBastard.
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*** In the second conflict between Liam, Finn, and Steffy, he's presented as the better option for Steffy simply on the account of that Finn went soft over Sheila again and he vowed to protect his daughter and ex, but given that it was ''[[{{Manchild}} Liam]] [[SerialHomewrecker Spencer]]'', the same guy who walked on Steffy when she was pregnant who also has proved to be able to defend herself against Sheila without his help, was the one to inform her about it made him seen as anything but. Coupled with the fact that he is a vindictive BitchInSheepsClothing who ''immediately'' came crawling back to Steffy after he divorced hope and [[ForcefulKiss kissed her behind Finn's back twice]], he was seen as more of an OpportunisticBastard.
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** Finn's sudden forgiveness for Sheila was a hot topic for 2023; One half of the fanbase argues that it makes sense since Finn had never gotten to properly process his feelings over Sheila being his biological mother due to Steffy repeatedly trying to keep the two apart. The other half thought it to make no sense, especially after Finn learned the hard way that Steffy was right about her when she shot him and held him hostage, and also on account of the fact that many found it to be an obvious attempt to darken Finn for the sake of Liam as a character.
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*** When Sheila's trial happened, Bill and Ridge's entire scheme was revealed to backfire due to [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome the fact that the confession was coerced and connections with the feds were used]], which caused his actions against Finn and Steffy (who couldn't press charges because Bill blackmailed them) to gain them more ire than he ever did before.

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*** **** When Sheila's trial happened, Bill and Ridge's entire scheme was revealed to backfire due to [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome the fact that the confession was coerced and connections with the feds were used]], which caused his actions against Finn and Steffy (who couldn't press charges because Bill blackmailed them) to gain them more ire than he they ever did before.before from audiences.
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** Finn suddenly being forgiving of Sheila is presented as a heinous action worthy of contempt, but it seems to ignore the fact that he was never really allowed to process the fact she was his mother and come to terms with his feelings for her. The fact that it was ''[[OpportunisticBastard Liam]]'' who made the reveal, who's was just previously going behind his back to win Steffy back despite her putting her foot down with him ''twice'', and the fact that Finn had always mixed feelings on the matter he was vocal about, it actually makes sense to an extent why he would cave into his biological mother's love eventually once more but the show does not have any of the characters acknowledge that.

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** Finn suddenly being forgiving of Sheila is presented as a heinous action worthy of contempt, but it seems to ignore the fact that he was never really allowed to process the fact she was his mother and come to terms with his feelings for her. The fact that it her, especially since he was ''[[OpportunisticBastard Liam]]'' who made the reveal, who's was just previously going behind his back to win Steffy back despite her putting her foot down with him ''twice'', and the fact that Finn had always mixed feelings on the matter he was vocal about, about it actually makes sense to an extent why he would cave into his biological mother's love eventually once more with everyone, but the show does not have any of the characters acknowledge that.he instead gets lambasted for it.

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* InformedWrongness: When it was revealed that Maya was born Myron, the show quickly had it made clear that if Forrester Creations was to fire him/her, it would be against the law to fire a trans individual. Not once did they take the time to have the Forresters defend themselves by pointing out that Maya had both lied and manipulated her way into a top position at the company.

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** Finn suddenly being forgiving of Sheila is presented as a heinous action worthy of contempt, but it seems to ignore the fact that he was never really allowed to process the fact she was his mother and come to terms with his feelings for her. The fact that it was ''[[OpportunisticBastard Liam]]'' who made the reveal, who's was just previously going behind his back to win Steffy back despite her putting her foot down with him ''twice'', and the fact that Finn had always mixed feelings on the matter he was vocal about, it actually makes sense to an extent why he would cave into his biological mother's love eventually once more but the show does not have any of the characters acknowledge that.



** Anyone with Liam Spencer tends to fall under this; given that Liam has a reputation of being emotionally and verbally abusive, kissing or even [[SeductionAsOneUpmanship sleeping with others]] to get revenge on his current spouse for being cheated on, and just being intrusive and overall toxic, any relationship with him tends to be a negative given how his vile nature eventually surfaces the minute he feels wronged.

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** Anyone with Liam Spencer tends to fall under this; given that Liam has a reputation of being emotionally and verbally abusive, kissing or even [[SeductionAsOneUpmanship sleeping with others]] to get revenge on his current spouse for being cheated on, on due to being an OpportunisticBastard, and just being intrusive and overall toxic, any relationship with him tends to be a negative given how his vile nature eventually surfaces the minute he feels wronged.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Many fans repeatedly joked about the fact that Bill slept with Sheila for Ridge's to get a confession in an attempt to put her away for life and how flawed the plan was. Sure enough, viewers had a field trip over the fact when the trial revealed that indeed [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome the case was built on entrapment and use of personal ties]], and Bill basically had multiple sexual encounters with Sheila for no reason.



** The second Finn/Steffy/Liam plotline due to the fact that it felt forced over the fact that Thomas and Hope got back together, and the fact that viewers were irked over the writers relying on a [[AssPull blatant last-minute 180]] with Finn's feelings for Sheila to make Liam seem more appealing.

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** The second Finn/Steffy/Liam plotline due to the fact that it felt forced [[EveryoneMustBePaired over the fact that Thomas and Hope got back together, together]], and the fact that viewers were irked over the writers relying on a [[AssPull blatant last-minute 180]] with Finn's feelings for Sheila to make Liam seem more appealing.
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** The second Finn/Steffy/Liam plotline due to the fact that it felt forced over the fact that Thomas and Hope got back together, and the fact that viewers were irked over the writers relying on a [[AssPull blatant last-minute 180]] with Finn's feelings for Sheila to make Liam seem more appealing.
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** Finn's sudden softening to Sheila mid-2023 after a simple visit to her in prison ended up him bring her back into his family's life, with many citing that there was little to no build up as to what softened him up to her again especially after he had been previously shot and held hostage by her a year ago. Other's have also cried foul at this sudden direction, accusing the writers of trying to give Liam an excuse [[DesignatedHero to call out Finn and seem like a hero to Steffy]] even after some of the rotten things he's pulled with her and Hope in the past and present.

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** Finn's sudden softening to Sheila mid-2023 after a simple visit to her in prison ended up him bring her back into his family's life, life was an infamous ass ull, with many citing that there was little to no build up as to what softened him up to her again especially after he had been previously shot and held hostage by her a year ago. Other's have It was also cried foul at this sudden direction, accusing the writers of trying noted for feeling like a deliberate attempt to give Liam an excuse darken Finn and [[DesignatedHero to call out Finn and make Liam seem like a hero the better option]] to Steffy]] justify splitting him and Steffy up, even after some of the rotten things he's Liam pulled with her and Hope in the past and present.present season, including [[ForcefulKiss forcibly kissing Steffy twice behind Finn's back]].
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** Liam Spencer is this in spades, and some even go as far as to see him as a VillainProtagonist. Almost any time that he's cheated on, physically hurt or beleaguered, very few viewers will feel sorry for him and will often call out how verbally and emotionally abusive he was prior to it and point out how he brought most problems on himself to begin with. Given he himself is infamous for relying on SeductionAsOneUpmanship and is typically a {{Jerkass}} who [[NeverMyFault never takes responsibility for his own actions]], viewers tend to dislike him very strongly in any situation he’s involved in.

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** Liam Spencer is this in spades, and some even go as far as to see him as a VillainProtagonist. Almost any time that he's cheated on, physically hurt or beleaguered, very few viewers will feel sorry for him and will often call out how verbally and emotionally abusive he was prior to it and point out how he brought most problems on himself to begin with. Given he himself is infamous for relying on SeductionAsOneUpmanship and is typically a {{Jerkass}} who [[NeverMyFault never takes responsibility for his own actions]], viewers tend to dislike side against him very strongly in any situation he’s involved in.
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** Liam Spencer is this in spades, and some even go as far as to see him as a VillainProtagonist. Almost any time that he's cheated on, physically hurt or beleaguered, very few viewers will feel sorry for him and will often call out how verbally and emotionally abusive he was prior to it and point out how he brought most problems on himself to begin with. Given he himself is infamous for relying on SeductionAsOneUpmanship and is typically a {{Jerkass}} who [[NeverMyFault never takes responsibility for his own actions]], he's definetly one of the more hated characters.

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** Liam Spencer is this in spades, and some even go as far as to see him as a VillainProtagonist. Almost any time that he's cheated on, physically hurt or beleaguered, very few viewers will feel sorry for him and will often call out how verbally and emotionally abusive he was prior to it and point out how he brought most problems on himself to begin with. Given he himself is infamous for relying on SeductionAsOneUpmanship and is typically a {{Jerkass}} who [[NeverMyFault never takes responsibility for his own actions]], he's definetly one of the more hated characters.viewers tend to dislike him very strongly in any situation he’s involved in.
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** Sheila became this after her return to the show in 2021. The audience was initially mixed on her return after TheReveal that she was Finn's biological mother, but after Finn's hostage arc concluded, many suspected the writers relying on IdiotBall to keep her in the loop and frequently chastise the fact that they rely on Sheila for a short-term ratings boost at the expense of the story’s quality. The most glaring example was when she somehow got Bill on her side at the end of 2022 with little to no foreshadowing.
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** Many took issue with Finn's sudden softening to Sheila mid-2023 after a simple visit to her in prison ended up him bring her back into his family's life, with many citing that there was little to no build up as to what softened him up to her again especially after he had been previously shot and held hostage by her a year ago. Other's have also cried foul at the writers, accusing them of trying to justify splitting Finn and Steffy so that Liam can swoop in and [[DesignatedHero seem like a hero]] even after some of the rotten things he's pulled with Hope and Steffy in the past and present.

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** Many took issue with Finn's sudden softening to Sheila mid-2023 after a simple visit to her in prison ended up him bring her back into his family's life, with many citing that there was little to no build up as to what softened him up to her again especially after he had been previously shot and held hostage by her a year ago. Other's have also cried foul at the writers, this sudden direction, accusing them the writers of trying to justify splitting Finn and Steffy so that give Liam can swoop in and an excuse [[DesignatedHero to call out Finn and seem like a hero]] hero to Steffy]] even after some of the rotten things he's pulled with her and Hope and Steffy in the past and present.



** There is alot of debate when it comes to reunion of Thope in mid-2023. On one hand, many fans are pleased to see Hope take a slightly darker path from her usual bubbly nature by cheating on Liam with Thomas, [[PayEvilUntoEvil given the former had no problem doing the same to her]]. On the other hand, people have decried it as an excuse to throw Sinn under the bus by having Hope repeatedly weaponize Steffy in her arguments with Finn, and others have forseen Liam attempting to interfere with Steffy's relationship due to Hope leaving him.

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** There is alot of debate when it comes to reunion of Thope in mid-2023. On one hand, many fans are pleased to see Hope take a slightly darker path from her usual bubbly nature by cheating on Liam with Thomas, [[PayEvilUntoEvil given the former had no problem doing the same to her]]. her]], and also enjoy watching Hope turn on Brooke while seeing Thomas remaining unvilified. On the other hand, people some viewers have decried it as an excuse to throw Sinn under the bus by having Hope repeatedly weaponize Steffy in her arguments with Finn, Liam, and others have forseen this as an excuse to have Liam attempting attempt to interfere with Steffy's relationship due to Hope leaving him.
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** Many took issue with Finn's sudden softening to Sheila in 2023 after a simple visit to her in prison ended up him bring her back into his family's life, with many citing that there was little to no build up as to what softened him up to her again especially after he had been previously shot and held hostage by her a year ago. Other's have also cried foul at the writers, accusing them of trying to justify splitting Finn and Steffy so that Liam can swoop in and [[DesignatedHero seem like a hero]] even after some of the rotten things he's pulled with Hope and Steffy in the past and present.

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** Many took issue with Finn's sudden softening to Sheila in 2023 mid-2023 after a simple visit to her in prison ended up him bring her back into his family's life, with many citing that there was little to no build up as to what softened him up to her again especially after he had been previously shot and held hostage by her a year ago. Other's have also cried foul at the writers, accusing them of trying to justify splitting Finn and Steffy so that Liam can swoop in and [[DesignatedHero seem like a hero]] even after some of the rotten things he's pulled with Hope and Steffy in the past and present.
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** Many took issue with Finn's sudden softening to Sheila in 2023 after a simple visit to her in prison ended up him bring her back into his family's life, with many citing that there was little to no build up as to what softened him up to her again especially after he had been previously shot and held hostage by her a year ago. Other's have also cried foul at the writers, accusing them of trying to justify splitting Finn and Steffy so that Liam can swoop in and [[DesignatedHero seem like a hero]] even after some of the rotten things he's pulled with Hope and Steffy in the past and present.


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* FanNickname: "Sinnabun" is a term used for any baby Steffy conceives with Finn.

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* CaptainObviousReveal: No one was surprised when it was revealed that Thomas was the one behind the fake CPS call to set Brooke up, which has led to alot of backlash against the writers.

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** It was very obvious to many viewers that Bill and Ridge's scheme to put Sheila in jail for her past crimes instead of letting Steffy and Finn press charges for her murder attempts against them would backfire horrifically due to the fact that Bill essentially coerced Sheila in confessing and Ridge's use of connections was seen as corrupt by the judge. When it actually came to fruition? No one acted shocked.



*** Bill was looked down upon for three reasons. In the first act, his dangerous mental state [[DidNotGetTheGirl after his rejection by Brooke and Katie]] is supposed to make him seen as a broken man who needs help that's scared of dying alone and is being manipulated by Sheila because no one will give a chance, but instead it makes him comes across as a vile powermonger given he knows ''exactly'' what he's doing and willingly puts everyone at risk to get what he wants instead of realizing his power can't win everyone over. [[spoiler:Even when it was revealed in the second act to have all been an act to get even more charges on Sheila, causing him to be lauded as a hero by everyone, viewers still viewed his actions with disdain since it involved putting everyone (especially Finn and Steffy) at risk of being in danger once more when there were already enough charges to put Sheila away (which many pointed out when the episode was released). Alot of viewers also had an issue with the fact that his actions negatively impacted Taylor's mental state and almost caused herself to land herself in jail for nothing]]. When Sheila's trial happened, Bill's entire scheme was revealed to backfire due to [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome the fact that the confession was coerced and connections with the feds were used]], which caused his actions against Finn and Steffy (who couldn't press charges because he blackmailed them) to gain him more ire than he ever did before.

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*** Bill was looked down upon for three reasons. In the first act, his dangerous mental state [[DidNotGetTheGirl after his rejection by Brooke and Katie]] is supposed to make him seen as a broken man who needs help that's scared of dying alone and is being manipulated by Sheila because no one will give a chance, but instead it makes him comes across as a vile powermonger given he knows ''exactly'' what he's doing and willingly puts everyone at risk to get what he wants instead of realizing his power can't win everyone over. [[spoiler:Even when it was revealed in the second act to have all been an act to get even more charges on Sheila, causing him to be lauded as a hero by everyone, viewers still viewed his actions with disdain since it involved putting everyone (especially Finn and Steffy) at risk of being in danger once more when there were already enough charges to put Sheila away (which many pointed out when the episode was released). Alot of viewers also had an issue with the fact that his actions negatively impacted Taylor's mental state and almost caused herself to land herself in jail for nothing]]. nothing]].
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** Liam Spencer, despite being a selfish, spoiled, self-righteous, two-timing BitchInSheepsClothing {{Manchild}}, everyone on the show can never stop singing his praises on [[CharacterShilling what a nice guy he is.]] Whatever little amount of good will Liam had left almost immediately disappeared when Liam caught a mid-delusion Thomas, who at that point had been established as having something mentally wrong with him, kissing the Hope mannequin. Liam, thinking it was his actual wife, almost instantaneously jumped into bed with Steffy instead of confronting Thomas (which also heavily damaged her character as she was cheating on well-liked Finn), then treated Hope like she was the problem. The hate got so bad that even poor Scott Clifton (Liam's actor), who has made it clear that he despises Liam's actions, began to receive hate.

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** Liam Spencer, despite being a selfish, spoiled, self-righteous, two-timing BitchInSheepsClothing {{Manchild}}, everyone on the show can never stop singing his praises on [[CharacterShilling what a nice guy he is.]] Whatever little amount of good will Liam had left almost immediately disappeared when Liam caught a mid-delusion Thomas, who at that point had been established as having something mentally wrong with him, kissing the Hope mannequin. Liam, thinking it was his actual wife, [[SeductionAsOneUpmanship almost instantaneously jumped into bed with Steffy Steffy]] instead of confronting Thomas (which also heavily damaged her character as she was cheating on well-liked Finn), then treated Hope like she was the problem. The hate got so bad that even poor Scott Clifton (Liam's actor), who has made it clear that he despises Liam's actions, began to receive hate.



** Liam Spencer is this in spades, and some even go as far as to see him as a VillainProtagonist. Almost any time that he's cheated on, physically hurt or beleaguered, very few viewers will feel sorry for him and will often call out how verbally and emotionally abusive he was prior to it and point out how he brought most problems on himself to begin with.

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* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Thomas Forrester, despite being seen as problematic by everyone and heavily disliked by the Logans, is very popular amongst mainstream viewerbase. It helps that his fans tend to be disdainful of the Logans in general and frequently call out sudden changes in his character, even going so far as to [[UnintentionallySympathetic empathize with his predicaments]] [[DesignatedVillain even when he's supposed to be the antagonist]].
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** Liam Spencer is this in spades, and some even go as far as to see him as a VillainProtagonist. Almost any time that he's cheated on, physically hurt or beleaguered, very few viewers will feel sorry for him and will often call out how verbally and emotionally abusive he was prior to it and point out how he brought most problems on himself to begin with.
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** Liam pretty much lost any support from most audiences the minute he cheated on a pregnant Steffy, then walked out on her when she was begging and clinging for him not to leave her.
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** Likewise, while many still support it, the initial popularity Steffy/Finn has severely been damaged after Steffy immediately cheated on Finn with Liam, when it seemed like he was leaving Hope, and especially when she refuses to reveal the truth to Finn. Even [[EveryoneHasStandards Liam]] wanted to come clean, but Steffy at the time would rather have continued to live with the lie and avoid the consequences. Even worst during the entire time she still has the gall to say she loves Liam, while spouting her ''loyalty'' towards Finn...and although she came clean to Finn after finding out she was pregnant (along with the fact that it was also Finn's baby, biologically speaking), alot of viewers still oppose the ship to this day.

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** Likewise, while many still support it, the initial popularity of Steffy/Finn has severely been damaged after Steffy immediately cheated on Finn with Liam, when it seemed like he was leaving Hope, and especially when she refuses to reveal the truth to Finn. Even [[EveryoneHasStandards Liam]] wanted to come clean, but Steffy at the time would rather have continued to live with the lie and avoid the consequences. Even worst during the entire time she still has the gall to say she loves Liam, while spouting her ''loyalty'' towards Finn...and although she came clean to Finn after finding out she was pregnant (along with the fact that it was also Finn's baby, biologically speaking), alot of viewers still oppose the ship to this day.



*** Bill was looked down upon for three reasons. In the first act, his dangerous mental state [[DidNotGetTheGirl after his rejection by Brooke and Katie]] is supposed to make him seen as a broken man who needs help that's scared of dying alone and is being manipulated by Sheila because no one will give a chance, but instead it makes him comes across as a vile powermonger given he knows ''exactly'' what he's doing and willingly puts everyone at risk to get what he wants instead of realizing his power can't win everyone over. [[spoiler:Even when it was revealed in the second act to have all been an act to get even more charges on Sheila, causing him to be lauded as a hero by everyone, viewers still viewed his actions with disdain since it involved putting everyone (especially Finn and Steffy) at risk of being in danger once more when there were already enough charges to put Sheila away (which many pointed out when the episode was released). Alot of viewers also had an issue with the fact that his actions negatively impacted Taylor's mental state and almost caused herself to land herself in jail for nothing]]. When Sheila's trial happened, Bill's entire scheme was revealed to backfire due to [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome the fact that the confession was corecred and connections with the feds were used]], which caused his actions against Finn and Steffy (who couldn't press charges because he blackmailed them) to gain him more ire than he ever did before.

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*** Bill was looked down upon for three reasons. In the first act, his dangerous mental state [[DidNotGetTheGirl after his rejection by Brooke and Katie]] is supposed to make him seen as a broken man who needs help that's scared of dying alone and is being manipulated by Sheila because no one will give a chance, but instead it makes him comes across as a vile powermonger given he knows ''exactly'' what he's doing and willingly puts everyone at risk to get what he wants instead of realizing his power can't win everyone over. [[spoiler:Even when it was revealed in the second act to have all been an act to get even more charges on Sheila, causing him to be lauded as a hero by everyone, viewers still viewed his actions with disdain since it involved putting everyone (especially Finn and Steffy) at risk of being in danger once more when there were already enough charges to put Sheila away (which many pointed out when the episode was released). Alot of viewers also had an issue with the fact that his actions negatively impacted Taylor's mental state and almost caused herself to land herself in jail for nothing]]. When Sheila's trial happened, Bill's entire scheme was revealed to backfire due to [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome the fact that the confession was corecred coerced and connections with the feds were used]], which caused his actions against Finn and Steffy (who couldn't press charges because he blackmailed them) to gain him more ire than he ever did before.
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*** Bill was looked down upon for two reasons. In the first act, his dangerous mental state [[DidNotGetTheGirl after his rejection by Brooke and Katie]] is supposed to make him seen as a broken man who needs help that's scared of dying alone and is being manipulated by Sheila because no one will give a chance, but instead it makes him comes across as a vile powermonger given he knows ''exactly'' what he's doing and willingly puts everyone at risk to get what he wants instead of realizing his power can't win everyone over. [[spoiler:Even when it was revealed in the second act to have all been an act to get even more charges on Sheila, causing him to be lauded as a hero by everyone, viewers still viewed his actions with disdain since it involved putting everyone (especially Finn and Steffy) at risk of being in danger once more when there were already enough charges to put Sheila away (which many pointed out when the episode was released). Alot of viewers also had an issue with the fact that his actions negatively impacted Taylor's mental state and almost caused herself to land herself in jail for nothing]].

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*** Bill was looked down upon for two three reasons. In the first act, his dangerous mental state [[DidNotGetTheGirl after his rejection by Brooke and Katie]] is supposed to make him seen as a broken man who needs help that's scared of dying alone and is being manipulated by Sheila because no one will give a chance, but instead it makes him comes across as a vile powermonger given he knows ''exactly'' what he's doing and willingly puts everyone at risk to get what he wants instead of realizing his power can't win everyone over. [[spoiler:Even when it was revealed in the second act to have all been an act to get even more charges on Sheila, causing him to be lauded as a hero by everyone, viewers still viewed his actions with disdain since it involved putting everyone (especially Finn and Steffy) at risk of being in danger once more when there were already enough charges to put Sheila away (which many pointed out when the episode was released). Alot of viewers also had an issue with the fact that his actions negatively impacted Taylor's mental state and almost caused herself to land herself in jail for nothing]]. When Sheila's trial happened, Bill's entire scheme was revealed to backfire due to [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome the fact that the confession was corecred and connections with the feds were used]], which caused his actions against Finn and Steffy (who couldn't press charges because he blackmailed them) to gain him more ire than he ever did before.

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** While the Steffy/Liam vs. Hope/Liam wars still rage on, a ''lot'' of viewers on both sides have exasperatedly jumped ship as the storyline gets dragged out to the point of absurdity -- often saying something along the lines of, "They both deserve better than him, anyway!"
** Likewise, while many still support it, ''Sinn's'' (Steffy/Finn) initial popularity has severely been damaged after Steffy immediately cheated on Finn with Liam, when it seemed like he was leaving Hope, and especially when she refuses to reveal the truth to Finn. Even [[EveryoneHasStandards Liam]] wanted to come clean, but Steffy at the time would rather have continued to live with the lie and avoid the consequences. Even worst during the entire time she still has the gall to say she loves Liam, while spouting her ''loyalty'' towards Finn...and although she came clean to Finn after finding out she was pregnant (along with the fact that it was also Finn's baby, biologically speaking), alot of viewers still oppose the ship to this day.
** Bridge (Brooke/Ridge) and Tridge (Taylor/Ridge) has essentially been seen as having run their course due to Ridge's petulantly spiteful behavior torwards Brooke over what he thought was a wrongdoing on her part and his constant toying of Taylor's feelings in seasons 35 and 36, with many going against ever pairing him with the two for the same reasons people stopped shipping Liam with anyone.

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** While the Steffy/Liam vs. Lope Hope/Liam wars still rage on, a ''lot'' of viewers on both sides have exasperatedly jumped ship as the storyline gets dragged out to the point of absurdity -- often saying something along the lines of, "They both deserve better than him, anyway!"
** Likewise, while many still support it, ''Sinn's'' (Steffy/Finn) the initial popularity Steffy/Finn has severely been damaged after Steffy immediately cheated on Finn with Liam, when it seemed like he was leaving Hope, and especially when she refuses to reveal the truth to Finn. Even [[EveryoneHasStandards Liam]] wanted to come clean, but Steffy at the time would rather have continued to live with the lie and avoid the consequences. Even worst during the entire time she still has the gall to say she loves Liam, while spouting her ''loyalty'' towards Finn...and although she came clean to Finn after finding out she was pregnant (along with the fact that it was also Finn's baby, biologically speaking), alot of viewers still oppose the ship to this day.
** Bridge (Brooke/Ridge) Brooke/Ridge and Tridge (Taylor/Ridge) Taylor/Ridge has essentially been seen as having run their course due to Ridge's petulantly spiteful behavior torwards Brooke over what he thought was a wrongdoing on her part and his constant toying of Taylor's feelings in seasons 35 and 36, with many going against ever pairing him with the two for the same reasons people stopped shipping Liam with anyone.



** The new "Braylor" pairing (Brooke and Taylor); many find that the two being friends and not constantly bickering over a man to either be a refreshing change of pace to the dynamic or find it to be [[SweetnessAversion obnoxiously upbeat]] to the point of disliking the two characters.

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** The new "Braylor" pairing (Brooke and Taylor); many find that the two being friends and not constantly bickering over a man to either be a refreshing change of pace to the dynamic or find it to be [[SweetnessAversion obnoxiously upbeat]] to the point of disliking the two characters. This problem resolved itself mid-2023, but is still met with a mixed response.
** There is alot of debate when it comes to reunion of Thope in mid-2023. On one hand, many fans are pleased to see Hope take a slightly darker path from her usual bubbly nature by cheating on Liam with Thomas, [[PayEvilUntoEvil given the former had no problem doing the same to her]]. On the other hand, people have decried it as an excuse to throw Sinn under the bus by having Hope repeatedly weaponize Steffy in her arguments with Finn, and others have forseen Liam attempting to interfere with Steffy's relationship due to Hope leaving him.

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