History YMMV / TalesOfXillia2

28th Mar '16 8:02:31 PM AnIcePerson7
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22nd Feb '16 5:00:42 PM diontaeblack
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** Ludger himself. While some fans say that it is refreshing for a new badass protagonist since Yuri Lowell, Others complain that he is ja Gary-Stu, being extremely over powered for no reason, Getting Powers from nowhere, Being able to befriend everyone, and being able to kill all The Whole Party in the Bad End when they have a Physical God, Five Great Spirits and a Super Human. He seems to be just another Self-Insert character that Japan has become known for

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** Ludger himself. While some fans say that it is refreshing for a new badass protagonist since Yuri Lowell, Others complain that he is ja a Gary-Stu, being extremely over powered for no reason, Getting Powers from nowhere, Being able to befriend everyone, and being able to kill all The Whole Party in the Bad End when they have a Physical God, Five Great Spirits and a Super Human. He seems to be just another Self-Insert character that Japan has become known for
22nd Feb '16 4:56:47 PM diontaeblack
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** Ludger himself. While some fans say that it is refreshing for a new badass protagonist since Yuri Lowell, Others complain that he is ja Gary-Stu, being extremely over powered for no reason, Getting Powers from nowhere, Being able to befriend everyone, and being able to kill all The Whole Party in the Bad End when they have a Physical God, Five Great Spirits and a Super Human. He seems to be just another Self-Insert character that Japan has become known for
4th Feb '16 2:11:47 PM keyblade333
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Alternate Milla strikes this way to some players, as her brash, {{Jerkass}} attitude makes it hard to feel for the character when she talks about her issues. It doesn't help that the original Milla was arguably RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for some western players, and it's also hard to feel sorry for Alternate Milla when she calls Ludger a world destroyer like he enjoys doing it and fails to keep in mind that Ludger '''has''' to destory the fractured worlds or else the real one will be destroyed. [[AgeAppropriateAngst What they fail to realize is that Ludger has destroyed everything she's cherished]] and to [[AngstDissonance suddenly be okay with it would be bizarre and unnatural.]]
** Elle can be seen this way, too. While she's certainly a young girl and in a world she doesn't know well, her acting like a BrattyHalfPint to everyone who isn't Ludger or Alternate Milla, doesn't give her a lot of sympathy points. Even late in the game, after [[spoiler: she watches as the party, and specifically Ludger, kill her father who was a divergence crystal and she has a grief-stricken moment of refusing to tolerate Ludger, even if he's the prime dimension version of her father,]] she's not sympathetic for very long.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Alternate Milla strikes this way to some players, as her brash, {{Jerkass}} attitude makes it hard to feel for the character when she talks about her issues. It doesn't help that the original Milla was arguably RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for some western players, and it's also hard to feel sorry for Alternate Milla when she calls Ludger a world destroyer like he enjoys doing it and fails to keep in mind that Ludger '''has''' to destory the fractured worlds or else the real one will be destroyed. [[AgeAppropriateAngst What they fail While Alt Milla being upset is justified, her lack of Character Development over the issue, combined with her whining more and more about her existance makes it a bit hard for some to realize is sympathize with her past a certain point.
** To those
that Ludger has destroyed everything she's cherished]] and to [[AngstDissonance suddenly be okay with it would be bizarre and unnatural.]]
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don't like her, Elle can be seen come across this way, too.way. While she's certainly a young girl and in a world she doesn't know well, her acting like a BrattyHalfPint to everyone who isn't Ludger or Alternate Milla, doesn't give her a lot of sympathy points. Even late in the game, after [[spoiler: she watches as the party, and specifically Ludger, kill her father who was a divergence crystal and she has a grief-stricken moment of refusing to tolerate Ludger, even if he's the prime dimension version of her father,]] she's not sympathetic for very long.
28th Jan '16 5:05:04 PM anoni
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** Rideaux is an in-universe Scrappy, but the game still goes out of its way to make you hate him with the same passion the game characters do. The least of which includes saddling Ludger with a 20 million Gald bill for treating his and Elle's injuries, and takes Elle hostage which forces Ludger to take out a loan to pay him. It's all his fault you have to deal with the above mentioned debt system.

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** Rideaux is an in-universe Scrappy, but the game still goes out of its way to make you hate him with the same passion the game characters do. The least of which includes saddling Ludger with a 20 15 million Gald bill for treating his and Elle's injuries, and takes Elle hostage which forces Ludger to take out a loan to pay him. It's all his fault you have to deal with the above mentioned debt system.



** The above mentioned debt system. To break it down, it requires the player to pay a specific amount of money whenever you reach that amount over and over throughout the game or they'll be unable to travel to new areas. What makes it annoying is the travel restrictions as a result of it seems to exist just to prevent the player from going to areas they aren't supposed to be at yet when the same thing could be accomplished better by other means, the game will frequently prevent the player from going to said areas even when there's no reason they shouldn't be able to, (i.e. walking there) and it means that the player is constantly strapped for cash. The only benefit the system seems to have is that items are left in Ludger's mailbox for those diligent repayers to pick up (which means you have to backtrack there repeatedly to get said items) many of which the player could have easily purchased on their own or acquired by other means if they hadn't been forced to pay off a debt. Worse, as mentioned below, the reward for successfully paying it all off is highly debatable.

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** The above mentioned debt system. To break it down, it requires the player to pay a specific amount of money whenever you reach that amount over and over throughout the game or they'll be unable to travel to new areas. What makes it annoying is the travel restrictions as a result of it seems to exist just to prevent the player from going to areas they aren't supposed to be at yet when the same thing could be accomplished better by other means, the game will frequently prevent the player from going to said areas even when there's no reason they shouldn't be able to, (i.e. walking there) and it means that the player is constantly strapped for cash. To make things worse, the initial 15 million Gald gets an additional 5 million added on later, for a total of 20 million The only benefit the system seems to have is that items are left in Ludger's mailbox for those diligent repayers to pick up (which means you have to backtrack there repeatedly to get said items) many of which the player could have easily purchased on their own or acquired by other means if they hadn't been forced to pay off a debt. Worse, as mentioned below, the reward for successfully paying it all off is highly debatable.



* SuperDickery: The hotspring ending, ie one of the 'gag' endings. Ludger pays off his 20 million gald debt and Nova invites him to a hotspring to celebrate. Said hotspring is also co-ed. The females of the group tend to take issue with the last bit. So do they: A) Trust their friends to not try anything or look without their permission? B) Merely take turns? or C)[[spoiler:Stuff all the guys into Teepo (yes, including ''the cat'') making them all incredibly uncomfortable?]] If you didn't choose C, then congrats, you're a better friend than they are. It's PlayedForLaughs however.



* SuperDickery: The hotspring ending, ie one of the 'gag' endings. Ludger pays off his 20 million gald debt and Nova invites him to a hotspring to celebrate. Said hotspring is also co-ed. The females of the group tend to take issue with the last bit. So do they: A) Trust their friends to not try anything or look without their permission? B) Merely take turns? or C)[[spoiler:Stuff all the guys into Teepo (yes, including ''the cat'') making them all incredibly uncomfortable?]] If you didn't choose C, then congrats, you're a better friend than they are. It's PlayedForLaughs however.
28th Jan '16 4:58:21 PM anoni
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** Rideaux is an in-universe Scrappy, but the game still goes out of its way to make you hate him with the same passion the game characters do. The least of which includes saddling Ludger with a 20 million Gald bill for treating Elle's injuries, and takes Elle hostage which forces Ludger to take out a loan to pay him. It's all his fault you have to deal with the above mentioned debt system.

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** Rideaux is an in-universe Scrappy, but the game still goes out of its way to make you hate him with the same passion the game characters do. The least of which includes saddling Ludger with a 20 million Gald bill for treating his and Elle's injuries, and takes Elle hostage which forces Ludger to take out a loan to pay him. It's all his fault you have to deal with the above mentioned debt system.
28th Jan '16 4:54:28 PM anoni
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** Rideaux is an in-universe Scrappy, but the game still goes out of its way to make you hate him with the same passion the game characters do.

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** Rideaux is an in-universe Scrappy, but the game still goes out of its way to make you hate him with the same passion the game characters do. The least of which includes saddling Ludger with a 20 million Gald bill for treating Elle's injuries, and takes Elle hostage which forces Ludger to take out a loan to pay him. It's all his fault you have to deal with the above mentioned debt system.



** The above mentioned debt system. To break it down, it requires the player to pay a specific amount of money whenever you reach that amount over and over throughout the game or they'll be unable to travel to new areas. What makes it annoying is the travel restrictions as a result of it seems to exist just to prevent the player from going to areas they aren't supposed to be at yet when the same thing could be accomplished better by other means, the game will frequently prevent the player from going to said areas even when there's no reason they shouldn't be able to, (i.e. walking there) and it means that the player is constantly strapped for cash. The only benefit the system seems to have is that items are left in Ludger's mailbox for those diligent repayers to pick up (which means you have to backtrack there repeatedly to get said items) many of which the player could have easily purchased on their own or acquired by other means if they hadn't been forced to pay off a debt.

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** The above mentioned debt system. To break it down, it requires the player to pay a specific amount of money whenever you reach that amount over and over throughout the game or they'll be unable to travel to new areas. What makes it annoying is the travel restrictions as a result of it seems to exist just to prevent the player from going to areas they aren't supposed to be at yet when the same thing could be accomplished better by other means, the game will frequently prevent the player from going to said areas even when there's no reason they shouldn't be able to, (i.e. walking there) and it means that the player is constantly strapped for cash. The only benefit the system seems to have is that items are left in Ludger's mailbox for those diligent repayers to pick up (which means you have to backtrack there repeatedly to get said items) many of which the player could have easily purchased on their own or acquired by other means if they hadn't been forced to pay off a debt. Worse, as mentioned below, the reward for successfully paying it all off is highly debatable.
20th Jan '16 7:52:37 PM Elemiel
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** Ivar, who has gone from Milla's handmaid to an employee of the Spirius Corporation. He's a lot more relaxed in this game and some fans actually wished he was playable.
17th Jan '16 6:53:49 AM catmuto
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Alternate Milla strikes this way to some players, as her brash, {{Jerkass}} attitude makes it hard to feel for the character when she talks about her issues. It doesn't help that the original Milla was arguably RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for some western players, and it's also hard to feel sorry for Alternate Milla when she calls Ludger a world destroyer like he enjoys doing it and fails to keep in mind that Ludger '''has''' to destory the fractured worlds or else the real one will be destroyed. [[AgeAppropiateAngst What they fail to realize is that Ludger has destroyed everything she's cherished]] and to [[AngstDissoanance suddenly be okay with it would be bizarre and unnatural.]]

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Alternate Milla strikes this way to some players, as her brash, {{Jerkass}} attitude makes it hard to feel for the character when she talks about her issues. It doesn't help that the original Milla was arguably RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for some western players, and it's also hard to feel sorry for Alternate Milla when she calls Ludger a world destroyer like he enjoys doing it and fails to keep in mind that Ludger '''has''' to destory the fractured worlds or else the real one will be destroyed. [[AgeAppropiateAngst [[AgeAppropriateAngst What they fail to realize is that Ludger has destroyed everything she's cherished]] and to [[AngstDissoanance [[AngstDissonance suddenly be okay with it would be bizarre and unnatural.]]
17th Jan '16 2:22:45 AM catmuto
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Fractured Milla joins your party during the half-point of the game. Fractured Milla comes from a world where she completed her mission years ago and worked alongside Muzét, which could leave some amazing banter between Fractured Milla and the prime dimension's Muzét, maybe even go into detail how she managed her mission so early and wondering whether she could have done the same as prime dimension's Milla, when learning about the schism being dispelled and the two worlds living together. But aside from some short banter in one skit or a one-off mention of not liking how the two worlds interact, Fractured Milla does not do much beyond being angry over her world disappearing. [[spoiler: The only purpose she ends up serving is to pointlessly sacrifice herself in the final third of the game, to bring Prime Milla into your party and leaving a minor, but quickly forgotten tension between Elle and Milla.]]
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