History YMMV / TalesOfXillia2

22nd Jun '17 12:34:44 PM MightyKombat
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* EsotericHappyEnding: [[spoiler: The Tales of Xillia Official World Guidance Book reveals why the "Sacrifice Elle" ending is this. Yes, Ludger is alive, meets Lara Marta, and will have Elle as his daughter. But he's inevitably continuing a cycle of losing the Alternate Elle, having his dimension's own Elle, then losing that Elle to a different dimension, which is hinted to have happened multiple times (Victor's fractured dimension included). To drive the point in further, it's called the Fate Repeater Ending.]]
** Actually, the contents of the supplementary materials do more to contradict this theory. [[spoiler:The alternate timelines where Victor goes insane only occur because they exist in a fractured dimension, and thus are aware that their entire world will be destroyed. Canaan cannot appear in a fractured dimension, meaning the main plotline occurs in the prime dimension. The fractured Ludgers become Victor after they gather the Waymarkers and fail to summon Canaan, realizing that their world is doomed to die. Years later, Elle is born with the power of the Key of Kresnik, leading the protagonists, plus Bisley and Juilus, to attempt to use her to reach the Prime Dimension and bargain for their lives. Ludger then goes insane at the thought of being separated from his daughter, slaughters his allies, and drives his wife to suicide. None of this will happen in the normal ending because the Land of Canaan was reached.]]
** Which becomes {{Fridge Horror}} when you remember that [[spoiler: she wished for the fractured dimensions to disappear. If she dies this time, she's gone for good.]]



* StrawmanHasAPoint: Exodus is commonly considered terrorists without a cause but they are actively fighting against a king that nearly tried to wipe out Elympios out in the first game (through immediate means or otherwise). It's hard not to see their accusations of favoring Raize Maxia as justified. [[{{Woolseyism}} Less so in the English version]].

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Exodus is commonly considered terrorists without a cause but they are actively fighting against a king that nearly tried to wipe out Elympios out in the first game (through immediate means or otherwise). It's hard not to see their accusations of favoring Raize Rieze Maxia as justified. [[{{Woolseyism}} Less so in the English version]].



** Leia is an interesting case in that she hasn't really got worse since the first game, but changes to other characters made her less useful than she used to be. In the first game, she was probably the best physical CombatMedic of the party, and was important due to several party members having no healing at all, and being one of the few members with Resurrection. Now that ''every character'' has at least one healing skill, Leia still can't cure status effects, and Muset has Resurrection, there's suddenly a lot less reason to use her. To make things worse, she's OutOfFocus for most of the main plot, the few story fights she ''is'' involved in [[ThatOneBoss make you wish you had Elize instead]] and her sidequest arc is the least combat-related of the party, giving her few chances to truly shine. Becomes HarsherInHindsight when you remember she had fears of being TheLoad in the previous game.

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** Leia is an interesting case in that she hasn't really got worse since the first game, but changes to other characters made her less useful than she used to be. In the first game, she was probably the best physical CombatMedic of the party, and was important due to several party members having no healing at all, and being one of the few members with Resurrection. Now that ''every character'' has at least one healing skill, Leia still can't cure status effects, and Muset has Muzet and Elize have Resurrection, there's suddenly a lot less reason to use her. To make things worse, she's OutOfFocus for most of the main plot, the few story fights she ''is'' involved in [[ThatOneBoss make you wish you had Elize instead]] and her sidequest arc is the least combat-related of the party, giving her few chances to truly shine. Becomes HarsherInHindsight when you remember she had fears of being TheLoad in the previous game.
8th Feb '17 1:38:09 AM PrincessGwen
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** Nova's cheerful attitude towards the matter of Luger's debt and her attempts to keep things light start to make a lot of sense once you hear one of the NPC's Duval mention how common suicides by train are because a lot of them couldn't handle the pressure that came with having so much dept. Nova probably fears this might happen to Luger.

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** Nova's cheerful attitude towards the matter of Luger's debt and her attempts to keep things light start to make a lot of sense once you hear one of the NPC's [=NPCs=] Duval mention how common suicides by train are because a lot of them couldn't handle the pressure that came with having so much dept. Nova probably fears this might happen to Luger.



* LoveItOrHateIt: The general opinion of the game. Many like the changes, darker story, and new characters, while some hate the fact that it's (at least to them) more of a expansion pack then a full game and just hate the game for existing.

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* LoveItOrHateIt: The general opinion of the game. Many like the changes, darker story, and new characters, while some hate the fact that it's (at least to them) more of a expansion pack then than a full game and just hate the game for existing.



** Elize yelling "Sharing is caring!" during battle will get old and obnoxious to player's ears pretty fast.

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** Elize yelling "Sharing is caring!" during battle will get old and obnoxious to the player's ears pretty fast.



** The first few times Ludger (unwittingly) transforms into his Chromatus. The first time, Ludger is flat-out yelling while his body seems to be ''moving on it's own'', ultimately ''spearing'' an unlucky soldier through the chest. The second time goes the whole nine yards, thrusting pieces of light onto him before the final one attaches to it's head... in a manner heavily reminiscent of ''drilling into his skull'' (Ludger screaming the whole while, as the rest of his body jerks throughout the transformation).

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** The first few times Ludger (unwittingly) transforms into his Chromatus. The first time, Ludger is flat-out yelling while his body seems to be ''moving on it's its own'', ultimately ''spearing'' an unlucky soldier through the chest. The second time goes the whole nine yards, thrusting pieces of light onto him before the final one attaches to it's its head... in a manner heavily reminiscent of ''drilling into his skull'' (Ludger screaming the whole while, as the rest of his body jerks throughout the transformation).



** The entirity of Chapter 12. You find a dimension that seems like a Good Future for the Xillia universe... [[spoiler: except the ''entire cast was brutally murdered''. And as you keep going, it becomes obvious who the culprit was: Ludger.]] But THEN you find out [[spoiler: this world's Ludger, is ''Elle's father''. Not an alternate version of him, her ''actual'' father. And he's the Catalyst, so you have to kill him.]] But there's a much deeper punch here, [[spoiler: when you realise Ludger killing the rest of the party and becoming Victor is the game's Bad Ending... and you, the player, have to bring it about yourself if you want 100% Completion.]] In other words, it's a rare ''gameplay'' example of a SelfFulfillingProphecy

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** The entirity of Chapter 12. You find a dimension that seems like a Good Future for the Xillia universe... [[spoiler: except the ''entire cast was brutally murdered''. And as you keep going, it becomes obvious who the culprit was: Ludger.]] But THEN you find out [[spoiler: this world's Ludger, is ''Elle's father''. Not an alternate version of him, her ''actual'' father. And he's the Catalyst, so you have to kill him.]] But there's a much deeper punch here, [[spoiler: when you realise Ludger killing the rest of the party and becoming Victor is the game's Bad Ending... and you, the player, have to bring it about yourself if you want 100% Completion.]] In other words, it's a rare ''gameplay'' example of a SelfFulfillingProphecySelfFulfillingProphecy.



** Alvin for his sincere attempts to atone for his previous behavior as well as being a extremely funny [[TheGadfly gadfly]].

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** Alvin for his sincere attempts to atone for his previous behavior as well as being a an extremely funny [[TheGadfly gadfly]].



** Chronos is the most extreme example in the game. Every time you fight him, he has the ability to reset the fight if you're not able to stop him in time, he always has support from several rings that can nearly OneHitKo your party members and each time you fight him and you're unable to set your own party up until the final boss fight with him. It doesn't help that on the second time you face him, you're playing with just Ludger, Milla, Gaius, and Muzet, which means you have no real healer. Its not uncommon to see players die easily at the fight.

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** Chronos is the most extreme example in the game. Every time you fight him, he has the ability to reset the fight if you're not able to stop him in time, he always has support from several rings that can nearly OneHitKo your party members and each time you fight him and you're unable to set your own party up until the final boss fight with him. It doesn't help that on the second time you face him, you're playing with just Ludger, Milla, Gaius, and Muzet, which means you have no real healer. Its It's not uncommon to see players die easily at the fight.



** Exoplasma might very well be the most difficult Monster Hunt. To start with, the game flat out tells you it can't be hurt by anything, and that the only way to do so, is to strike at his replications. The problem is that its defense is super high, so you have to block and use Power Charge 3 to break it, or trigger Chromatus. However, the time it takes to do that and correctly guess when it'll use it's replica ability, is a split second. The clones can be killed easily, but they often gang up and doing a very powerful spinning attack that takes a clean chunk of HP. To make the matter worse, they can hide underground and strike up at you, which makes comboing them even harder. They can even hide while in the Chromatus! They also inflict nasty status debuff's like Fire.
* ThatOneLevel: The final area [[spoiler: the Land of Canaan]]. While it's technically a short area, it's very dark and the paths are very narrow, making it difficult to avoid random encounters. There player is also forced to pick their party of four and cannot switch before fighting the boss. The path themselves are twisty and connect, ''but'' certain parts of the path are fake, so the player cannot proceed in that direction and has to go another way. Basically, it's a miniature maze, in a location too dark to see well, with background effects that make it difficult to see ahead and unnecessarily padded out with its disappearing floor-sections.

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** Exoplasma might very well be the most difficult Monster Hunt. To start with, the game flat out tells you it can't be hurt by anything, and that the only way to do so, is to strike at his replications. The problem is that its defense is super high, so you have to block and use Power Charge 3 to break it, or trigger Chromatus. However, the time it takes to do that and correctly guess when it'll use it's its replica ability, is a split second. The clones can be killed easily, but they often gang up and doing a very powerful spinning attack that takes a clean chunk of HP. To make the matter worse, they can hide underground and strike up at you, which makes comboing them even harder. They can even hide while in the Chromatus! They also inflict nasty status debuff's debuffs like Fire.
* ThatOneLevel: The final area [[spoiler: the Land of Canaan]]. While it's technically a short area, it's very dark and the paths are very narrow, making it difficult to avoid random encounters. There The player is also forced to pick their party of four and cannot switch before fighting the boss. The path paths themselves are twisty and connect, ''but'' certain parts of the path are fake, so the player cannot proceed in that direction and has to go another way. Basically, it's a miniature maze, in a location too dark to see well, with background effects that make it difficult to see ahead and unnecessarily padded out with its disappearing floor-sections.



** Alt Millia lacks the ability to use Milla's Summon Spirts. This makes her a chore using, since it means she can't heal like the others can now and removes Milla's biggest strength. Really the only reason you'll use her is so when the real Milla comes back, she'd caught up to everyone, which is unnecessary due to LeakedExperience. She also doesn't have a [[LimitBreak Mystic Arte]].
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Alternate Milla strikes this way to some players, as her brash, {{Jerkass}} attitude makes it hard to feel for the character when she talks about her issues. It doesn't help that the original Milla was arguably RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for some western players, and it's also hard to feel sorry for Alternate Milla when she calls Ludger a world destroyer like he enjoys doing it and fails to keep in mind that Ludger '''has''' to destory the fractured worlds or else the real one will be destroyed. While Alt Milla being upset is justified, her lack of Character Development over the issue, combined with her whining more and more about her existance makes it a bit hard for some to sympathize with her past a certain point.

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** Alt Millia Milla lacks the ability to use Milla's Summon Spirts. This makes her a chore using, since it means she can't heal like the others can now and removes Milla's biggest strength. Really the only reason you'll use her is so when the real Milla comes back, she'd caught up to everyone, which is unnecessary due to LeakedExperience. She also doesn't have a [[LimitBreak Mystic Arte]].
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Alternate Milla strikes this way to some players, as her brash, {{Jerkass}} attitude makes it hard to feel for the character when she talks about her issues. It doesn't help that the original Milla was arguably RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for some western players, and it's also hard to feel sorry for Alternate Milla when she calls Ludger a world destroyer like he enjoys doing it and fails to keep in mind that Ludger '''has''' to destory destroy the fractured worlds or else the real one will be destroyed. While Alt Milla being upset is justified, her lack of Character Development over the issue, combined with her whining more and more about her existance existence makes it a bit hard for some to sympathize with her past a certain point.



** The first Chronos fight for sure. While Chronos is ThatOneBoss already, the first fight deserves mention. Your group consists of Alvin, Jude, and Leia so already you have no offensive spellcasters and only one semi good healer. Chronos is a MagicKnight who deals AOE attacks more then anything, and since everyone uses physical attacks, you have to go up and attack him. Leia is a single target based healer, which means you can't get a consistent amount of heals on characters. His attacks rip through both the party, and Corpse Shell Ludger. The one character who would of made the fight easier, Rowen, is injured and this without his Magic Barrier passive, Chronos spells hit like a truck. Really he's there to show you that unless you master timing Corpse Shell with Link Artes, you can't win the game.

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** The first Chronos fight for sure. While Chronos is ThatOneBoss already, the first fight deserves mention. Your group consists of Alvin, Jude, and Leia so already you have no offensive spellcasters and only one semi good healer. Chronos is a MagicKnight who deals AOE attacks more then than anything, and since everyone uses physical attacks, you have to go up and attack him. Leia is a single target based healer, which means you can't get a consistent amount of heals on characters. His attacks rip through both the party, and Corpse Shell Ludger. The one character who would of made the fight easier, Rowen, is injured and this without his Magic Barrier passive, Chronos Chronos' spells hit like a truck. Really he's there to show you that unless you master timing Corpse Shell with Link Artes, you can't win the game.
17th Dec '16 6:25:36 AM Bufuman
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** If you're doing the character stories as early as possible, Alvin's first chapter has a very unpleasant surprise in the form of Ivar, who, in addition to being his usual [[CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass surprisingly dangerous self]], has much higher stats than you're expected to be fighting at this point in the game.
27th Aug '16 3:00:18 AM Morgenthaler
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The theme song, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EVE_QHvL3w Song 4 u]] by AyumiHamasaki.

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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The theme song, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EVE_QHvL3w Song 4 u]] by AyumiHamasaki.Music/AyumiHamasaki.
19th Jun '16 4:10:43 PM Immortalbear
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** It can also come across as UnpleasableFanbase to the those that hate Milla. They complained that Jude and Milla's romance was too subtle in the first game and now complain how it is far too featured in this game.
9th Jun '16 9:18:21 PM MagBas
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** It can also come across as UnpleasableFanbase to the VocalMinority that hate Milla. They complained that Jude and Milla's romance was too subtle in the first game and now complain how it is far too featured in this game.
24th May '16 8:40:59 AM AnotherDuck
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24th May '16 8:40:07 AM AnotherDuck
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** Ludger himself. While some fans say that it is refreshing for a new badass protagonist since Yuri Lowell, Others complain that he is a Gary-Stu, being extremely over powered for no reason, Getting Powers from nowhere, Being able to befriend everyone, and being able to kill The Whole Party in the Bad End when they have a Physical God, Five Great Spirits and a Super Human. He seems to be just another Self-Insert character that Japan has become known for



** Elle, because she technically nags the party members like every BrattyHalfPint would be unless your name is Ludger, Elise, or the other Milla.
24th May '16 8:16:59 AM PhiSat
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** Elle is either [[TheWoobie a sad and adorable child with a depressing backstory]] or an [[BrattyHalfPint annoying little pest whose sacrifice is highly preferable to Ludger's in the end]] depending on who you talk to.
28th Mar '16 8:02:31 PM AnIcePerson7
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