History YMMV / TalesOfDestiny

* CompleteMonster: [[FinalSoultion Miktran]], [[HopeCrusher Miktran]], [[EvilOverlord Miktran.]]

* CompleteMonster: [[VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny2 The sequel]] has Barbatos Goetia.

* {{CargoShip}}/{{HoYay}}: The 'bath skit' in Leon's side of the remake, PlayedForLaughs. Essentially, Philia asks how long Chatlier and Leon have known each other, and Chaltier states they're never apart, even when Leon takes baths. Philia's reaction, and Leon's comment about 'weird rumours', says it all. There is also a cutscene where Chaltier asks if they could do anything to help Johnny, and Leon acts very upset at the prospect of giving up Chaltier, that could be interpreted this way.

* CompleteMonster: [[HeroKiller Barbatos Goetia]], a man so evil that, after his defeat by Dymlos, his name is removed from history altogether. After Elraine resurrected him, Barbatos happily became her [[TheDragon Dragon]] in order to mark his name in history (and be praised as a hero instead, as seen in an alternate timeline) and has no qualms about murders, be it for missions or for the heck of it. The first time we see him on-screen during the flashback, he crosses the MoralEventHorizon by holding Loni hostage and forcing Stahn and Rutee to drop their weapons, and then proceeded to outright murder Stahn and cripple Rutee, ''all in front of young Kyle's eyes''. In the present, he also tried to kill other heroes like Philia and Garr/Woodrow just to eventually get himself marked in history.

* {{CargoShip}}/{{HoYay}}: The 'bath skit' in Leon's side of the remake, PlayedForLaughs. Essentially, Philia asks how long Chatlier and Leon have known each other, and Chaltier states they're never apart, even when Leon takes baths. Philia's reaction, and Leon's comment about 'weird rumours', says it all.

* {{CargoShip}}/{{HoYay}}: The 'bath skit' in Leon's side of the remake, PlayedForLaughs. Essentially, Philia asks how long Chatlier and Leon have known each other, and Chaltier states they're never apart, even when Leon takes baths. Philia's reaction says it all.

* CargoShip/HoYay: The 'bath skit' in Leon's side of the remake, PlayedForLaughs. Essentially, Philia asks how long Chatlier and Leon have known each other, and Chaltier states they're never apart, even when Leon takes baths. Philia's reaction says it all.

* FridgeBrilliance: A minor one in the bonus dungeon. Remember how you needed the pickaxe item to break the walls in Tower of Druaga, but not in this game. Well, you actually are using the pickaxe from radisrol to break the walls down!

* CompleteMonster: VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny seemingly was devoid of unsympathetic villains (Hugo [[spoiler:was, in fact, mind controlled and loved his children very much]], Miktran/Kronos believed that the Aetherians are right, making him in line with Dhaos, until the remake retooled him into a CardCarryingVillain) until ''2'' introduced [[HeroKiller Barbatos Goetia]], a man so evil that, after his defeat by Dymlos, his name is removed from history altogether. After Elraine resurrected him, Barbatos happily became her [[TheDragon Dragon]] in order to mark his name in history (and be praised as a hero instead, as seen in an alternate timeline) and has no qualms about murders, be it for missions or for the heck of it. The first time we see him on-screen during the flashback, he crosses MoralEventHorizon big time by holding Loni hostage and forcing Stahn and Rutee to drop their weapons, and then proceeded to outright murder Stahn and crippled Rutee, ''all in front of young Kyle's eyes''. In the present, he also tried to kill other heroes like Philia and Garr/Woodrow just to eventually get himself marked in history. Looks fine, but when his method involves such brutality for the heck of it, he can't be a WellIntentionedExtremist, but a CompleteMonster who thinks [[ItsAllAboutMe It's All About Him]]. Though he's hilarious enough (with [[NorioWakamoto an epic voice to match]]) to double as an EnsembleDarkhorse

* FridgeBrillance: A minor one in the bonus dungeon. Remember how you needed the pickaxe item to break the walls in Tower of Druaga, but not in this game. Well, you actually are using the pickaxe from radisrol to break the walls down!

* MotiveDecay: BigBad [[spoiler:Miktran]]. In the original game, he was a WellIntentionedExtremist (like most ''TalesSeries'' villains are) in that [[spoiler:he wanted to revive his people and genuinely believed that the Aetherians were in the right, as the Erthers started the War Between Heaven and Earth]]. In the remake, this motive has been replaced by simple megalomania.

!Tales of Destiny

!Tales of Destiny 2
* CompleteMonster: Barbatos ranks up there along with the likes of [[BlazBlue Terumi Yuuki]] as an utterly unabashed gigantic evil bastard who manages to be hilarious in the same time, making him an EnsembleDarkhorse as well.
* DesignatedVillain: It's hard to deny that Fortuna wants to make a better world for people, or that Kyle wasn't trying to see the good in her argument, even if he didn't have to agree with it. On the other hand, Fortuna's not very sympathetic, and saying humans are helpless and that history should be destroyed isn't a very good approach to the discussion.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Barbatos is basically the EnsembleDarkhorse for all Tales villains.
** Nanaly Fletch may also be a minor version of this, appearing/announced for spinoff games first before [[TheHero Kyle]] even appears/get announced. She even appeared overseas ''first'' out of all the cast. (She appeared as a cameo boss in ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss''.)
* GameBreaker - Harold's Crazy Comet spell and its extensions are very powerful. In ''ToD2'', magic heavily outweighs physical attacks in terms of damage. Yeah.
* IKnewIt: Judas is [[spoiler:Leon]]!
* ItWasHisSled: The fact that it is obviously [[spoiler:Leon beneath that mask]] has been lampshaded and parodied quite a bit. Here are [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYXiJVwYEQM a]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_wsryWSlHE few]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrQ7vhOriXw examples]].
** Heck, some dramas treat this as a PaperThinDisguise. one good one was when Stahn saw Leon (as Judas) and greeted him as Leon.
* MarySue / PuritySue: Reala dominates the plot and can do no wrong - basically the definition of a MarySue. While a handful of ''Tales'' heroines do have some MarySue traits, they're usually targets of [[DeconstructedTrope Deconstruction]] that get substantial CharacterDevelopment before the credits roll. Reala, however, plays them all totally straight.
* ThatOneBoss: Damn you, your freezing aura and your 100% deflect ability, Elraine. You only really have Loni for healing and it doesn't help that his AI tends to run in and get knocked back. Any time you close in on her, she'll freeze your combos dead on track.
** '''Barbatos''', the second and third time you fight him. Especially frustrating in the latter, because at around half-health he [[AntiMagic starts countering any offensive spells]] with one of his own, which is the only really effective way to damage bosses in the game.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Reala falls into this category as well, and even spreads it to other characters. She's a [[MarySue Sue]] without any deconstrucion, and the plot focuses on her so much, the other characters suffer for it.
* TierInducedScrappy: Nannaly. Only one mystic arte, primarily focused on attacking, in a game where magic is considerably more buffed compared to others, and the worst victim of the SpotlightStealingSquad...people tend to ditch her when Harold comes along.
* UncannyValley: Reala is a stick figure. Even with this game's art style, she looks weird. Her dress also makes her legs look much longer than they actually are and her torso look much smaller than it should be.

** Nanaly Fletch may also be a minor version of this, appearing/announced for spinoff games first before [[TheHero Kyle]] even appears/get announced. She even appeared overseas ''first'' out of all the cast. (She appeared as a cameo boss in ''TalesOfTheAbyss''.)

* UncannyValley: Reala is a stick figure. Even with this game's art style, she looks weird. Her dress also makes her legs look much longer than they actually are and her torso look much smaller than it should be.

** Leon's ascendancy seems to have been eclipsed by [[TalesOfVesperia Yuri]]-[[MemeticBadass Freaking]]-[[AntiHero Lowell]], but considering Judas ranked as the 29th most popular character, were one to combine the number of votes Leon and Judas each gathered, Leon is ''still'' the most popular ''Tales'' character.

* UncannyValley: Reala is a stick figure. Even with this game's art style, she looks weird.

* ItWasHisSled: The fact that it is obviously [[spoiler:Leon beneath that mask]] has been lampshaded and parodied quite a bit. Here are [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYXiJVwYEQM a]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_wsryWSlHE few]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrQ7vhOriXw examples.

* DesignatedVillain: It's hard to deny that Fortuna wants to make a better world for people, or that Kyle wasn't trying to see the good in her argument, even if he didn't have to agree with it. On the other hand, Fortuna's not very sympathetic, and saying humans are helpless and that history should be destroyed isn't a very good approach to the discussion.

** Barbatos is basically the EnsembleDarkhorse for all Tales villains.
** Nanaly Fletch may also be a minor version of this, appearing/announced for spinoff games first before [[TheHero Kyle]] even appears/get announced. She even appeared overseas ''first'' out of all the cast. (She appeared as a cameo boss in ''TalesOfTheAbyss''.)

** Judas is [[spoiler:Leon]]!

** [[spoiler: The fact that it is obviously Leon beneath that mask has been lampshaded and parodied quite a bit.]] Here are [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYXiJVwYEQM a]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_wsryWSlHE few]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrQ7vhOriXw examples]].

* MarySue / PuritySue: Reala dominates the plot and can do no wrong - basically the definition of a MarySue. While a handful of ''Tales'' heroines do have some MarySue traits, they're usually targets of [[DeconstructedTrope Deconstruction]] that get substantial CharacterDevelopment before the credits roll. Reala, however, plays them all totally straight.
* ThatOneBoss: Damn you, your freezing aura and your 100% deflect ability, Elraine. You only really have Loni for healing and it doesn't help that his AI tends to run in and get knocked back. Any time you close in on her, she'll freeze your combos dead on track.
** '''Barbatos''', the second and third time you fight him. Especially frustrating in the latter, because at around half-health he [[AntiMagic starts countering any offensive spells]] with one of his own, which is the only really effective way to damage bosses in the game.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Reala falls into this category as well, and even spreads it to other characters. She's a [[MarySue Sue]] without any deconstrucion, and the plot focuses on her so much, the other characters suffer for it.

** Averted in the remake, where most of the {{Jerkass}} was dropped, and he comes off as more of a JerkWithAHeartOfGold or JerkassFacade. See CharacterizationMarchesOn, above.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Leon Magnus constantly tops favourite Tales series character polls in Japan, [[spoiler:returns in the sequel as Judas]], and has a tendency to appear as a major player in other games like ''Namco X Capcom''. The remake even gave players an option to use him as the main character. [[spoiler:But he still dies the same way]])
** Kongman is a rather hilarious example, actually. People love to hate him, and Namco's bonus DVD's waste ''no'' effort in ripping the piss out of him.
** Barbatos is basically the EnsembleDarkhorse for all Tales villains. Nanaly Fletch may also be a minor version of this, appearing/announced for spinoff games first before [[TheHero Kyle]] even appears/get announced. She even appeared overseas ''first'' out of all the cast. (She appeared as a cameo boss in ''TalesOfTheAbyss'')
** It's also kind of ironic considering the writers and developers of this game didn't seem to like Nanaly that much.

* PuritySue: Reala.
* ThatOneBoss: Elraine when you first fight her - You only really have Loni for healing and it doesn't help that his AI tends to run in and get knocked back. Not to mention she comes with a freezing aura, so any time you close in on her, she'll freeze your combos dead on track.

* ThatOneBoss: Elraine when you first fight her - You only really have Loni for healing and it doesn't help that his AI tends to run in and get knocked back.