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Removing Bleck's entry here because of some major factual inaccuracies (as pointed out elsewhere, he quite blatantly regrets his evil deeds and he may have had his mind fucked by the Dark Prognosticus) and as a result, the argument being made here is totally moot.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Seeing as the game’s villains are the most sympathetic and/or entertaining ones out there, this is almost a given.
** Fans tend to place so much emphasis on the tragic origins of Count Bleck that they often seem to forget the fact that he nearly wiped all worlds out of existence and was fully in line with doing so, just because he was unable to find someone he loved, who turned out to still be alive. While he does pull a HeelFaceTurn and a HeroicSacrifice in the end, those are initially because he learned that his original motivation — the loss of Timpani — is actually null and void, not purely because he saw things differently or desired to change his ways. Making his actions seem even more selfish is that the game is full of characters who made sacrifices or suffered immense grief and loss, but they were not spurred to become extreme nihilists like he was.
** Despite his inhuman actions, Dimentio is likely one of the most popular villains in the franchise and has oodles of fans willing to excuse his atrocities because he's suave, and for that matter hilarious.
** Fans tend to place so much emphasis on the tragic origins of Count Bleck that they often seem to forget the fact that he nearly wiped all worlds out of existence and was fully in line with doing so, just because he was unable to find someone he loved, who turned out to still be alive. While he does pull a HeelFaceTurn and a HeroicSacrifice in the end, those are initially because he learned that his original motivation — the loss of Timpani — is actually null and void, not purely because he saw things differently or desired to change his ways. Making his actions seem even more selfish is that the game is full of characters who made sacrifices or suffered immense grief and loss, but they were not spurred to become extreme nihilists like he was.
** Despite his inhuman actions, Dimentio is likely one of the most popular villains in the franchise and has oodles of fans willing to excuse his atrocities because he's suave, and for that matter hilarious.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Seeing as the game’s villains are the most sympathetic and/or entertaining ones out there, this is almost a given.
** Fans tend to place so much emphasis on the tragic origins of Count Bleck that they often seem to forget the fact that he nearly wiped all worlds out of existence and was fully in line with doing so, just because he was unable to find someone he loved, who turned out to still be alive. While he does pull a HeelFaceTurn and a HeroicSacrifice in the end, those are initially because he learned that his original motivation — the loss of Timpani — is actually null and void, not purely because he saw things differently or desired to change his ways. Making his actions seem even more selfish is that the game is full of characters who made sacrifices or suffered immense grief and loss, but they were not spurred to become extreme nihilists like he was.
**Despite his inhuman actions, Dimentio is likely one of the most popular villains in the franchise and has oodles of fans willing to excuse his atrocities because he's suave, and for that matter hilarious.
** Fans tend to place so much emphasis on the tragic origins of Count Bleck that they often seem to forget the fact that he nearly wiped all worlds out of existence and was fully in line with doing so, just because he was unable to find someone he loved, who turned out to still be alive. While he does pull a HeelFaceTurn and a HeroicSacrifice in the end, those are initially because he learned that his original motivation — the loss of Timpani — is actually null and void, not purely because he saw things differently or desired to change his ways. Making his actions seem even more selfish is that the game is full of characters who made sacrifices or suffered immense grief and loss, but they were not spurred to become extreme nihilists like he was.
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: See {{AwesomeMusic.|PaperMario}}.
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* ClicheStorm: Although the story is generally hailed as one of the series' best, it also relies on the use of a lot of JRPG tropes and clichés and ultimately plays a good deal of them straight. The result is a story that's pretty unique for a ''Mario'' game but not all that special for an RPG in general.
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*** Who is Mr L? [[labelnote:Explanation]]Given that Mr. L is obviously Luigi and no one knows his secret identity, people joked that they never revealed who he is[[/labelnote]]
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*** Who is Mr L? [[labelnote:Explanation]Given that Mr. L is obviously [[PaperThinDisguise Luigi]] and no one knows his secret identity, people joked that they never revealed who he is[[/labelnote]]
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*** Who is Mr L? [[labelnote:Explanation]Given [[labelnote:Explanation]]Given that Mr. L is obviously [[PaperThinDisguise Luigi]] Luigi and no one knows his secret identity, people joked that they never revealed who he is[[/labelnote]]
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*** Who is Mr L? [[labelnote:Explanation]Given that Mr. L is obviously [[PaperThinDisguise Luigi]] and no one knows his secret identity, people joked that they never revealed who he is[[/labelnote]]
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* {{Narm}}: The end of Chapter 7 is easily one of the saddest, most heartrending scenes in the game. When presented with the Pure Heart, each of the four characters has an appropriate response to the scene, except for Luigi, who simply exclaims "OK, Grambi!" and "Okey-dokey!" It comes off as though he wasn't even paying attention and didn't notice any of the events that just unfolded. What makes it particularly bad is that the boss preceding this moment is an absolute pushover if you fight him as Luigi, meaning he's the one most players are likely to have out when this happens.
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* {{Narm}}: {{Narm}}:
** The end of Chapter 7 is easily one of the saddest, most heartrending scenes in the game. When presented with the Pure Heart, each of the four characters has an appropriate response to the scene, except for Luigi, who simply exclaims "OK, Grambi!" and "Okey-dokey!" It comes off as though he wasn't even paying attention and didn't notice any of the events that just unfolded. What makes it particularly bad is that the boss preceding this moment is an absolute pushover if you fight him as Luigi, meaning he's the one most players are likely to have out when thishappens.happens.
** The UnusualEuphemism of [[NeverSayDie referring to death as "ending your game"]], while amusing in comedic scenes, severely undercuts serious moments like [[spoiler:Bleck expressing regret that Tippi must perform a HeroicSacrifice alongside him]] in the ending.
** The end of Chapter 7 is easily one of the saddest, most heartrending scenes in the game. When presented with the Pure Heart, each of the four characters has an appropriate response to the scene, except for Luigi, who simply exclaims "OK, Grambi!" and "Okey-dokey!" It comes off as though he wasn't even paying attention and didn't notice any of the events that just unfolded. What makes it particularly bad is that the boss preceding this moment is an absolute pushover if you fight him as Luigi, meaning he's the one most players are likely to have out when this
** The UnusualEuphemism of [[NeverSayDie referring to death as "ending your game"]], while amusing in comedic scenes, severely undercuts serious moments like [[spoiler:Bleck expressing regret that Tippi must perform a HeroicSacrifice alongside him]] in the ending.
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** Bonechill is infamous for this. He can be challenging with Mario, Peach, or Bowser, but if the player uses Luigi (which they are likely to, given that they just recently unlocked him and the stages have required a lot of platforming) then he's a ''complete'' pushover. Use Luigi's Super Jump maybe twice, bounce on his head under the ceiling, and he'll go down in ''seconds''.
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** Bonechill Bonechill, the "fearsome" boss of the Skellobits in Chapter 7, is infamous for this. He can be challenging with Mario, Peach, or Bowser, but if the player uses Luigi (which they are likely to, given that they just recently unlocked him and the recent stages have required a lot of platforming) then he's a ''complete'' pushover.''complete pushover''. Use Luigi's Super Jump maybe twice, bounce on his head under the ceiling, and he'll go down in ''seconds''.
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* AntiClimaxBoss: Count Bleck and [[spoiler:Super Dimentio]], the [[FinalBoss Final Bosses]], are both rather easy to beat, especially compared to the previous games' final bosses. Their attacks are already slow and easy to dodge, and their attacks don't do a lot of damage (Count Bleck's main attack only does ''3''), at a point where you likely have around 60 HP and several healing items. Unless you're [[SelfImposedChallenge deliberately underlevelled]], they won't pose much of a threat.
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* AntiClimaxBoss: AntiClimaxBoss:
** Bonechill is infamous for this. He can be challenging with Mario, Peach, or Bowser, but if the player uses Luigi (which they are likely to, given that they just recently unlocked him and the stages have required a lot of platforming) then he's a ''complete'' pushover. Use Luigi's Super Jump maybe twice, bounce on his head under the ceiling, and he'll go down in ''seconds''.
** Count Bleck and [[spoiler:Super Dimentio]], the [[FinalBoss Final Bosses]], are both rather easy to beat, especially compared to the previous games' final bosses. Their attacks are already slow and easy to dodge, and their attacks don't do a lot of damage (Count Bleck's main attack only does ''3''), at a point where you likely have around 60 HP and several healing items. Unless you're [[SelfImposedChallenge deliberately underlevelled]], they won't pose much of a threat.
** Bonechill is infamous for this. He can be challenging with Mario, Peach, or Bowser, but if the player uses Luigi (which they are likely to, given that they just recently unlocked him and the stages have required a lot of platforming) then he's a ''complete'' pushover. Use Luigi's Super Jump maybe twice, bounce on his head under the ceiling, and he'll go down in ''seconds''.
** Count Bleck and [[spoiler:Super Dimentio]], the [[FinalBoss Final Bosses]], are both rather easy to beat, especially compared to the previous games' final bosses. Their attacks are already slow and easy to dodge, and their attacks don't do a lot of damage (Count Bleck's main attack only does ''3''), at a point where you likely have around 60 HP and several healing items. Unless you're [[SelfImposedChallenge deliberately underlevelled]], they won't pose much of a threat.
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** Chapter 7-3. Not only is it a vertical level like 3-3, it's [[MarathonLevel much longer]], takes place [[BubblyClouds in the sky]] (so there's the risk of BottomlessPits wearing down your health), and the scenery is little else but clouds, making it both boring aesthetically and easy to lose your place if you fall.
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** Chapter 7-3. Not only is it a vertical level like 3-3, it's [[MarathonLevel much longer]], takes place [[BubblyClouds [[LevelInTheClouds in the sky]] (so there's the risk of BottomlessPits wearing down your health), and the scenery is little else but clouds, making it both boring aesthetically and easy to lose your place if you fall.
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* {{Squick}}: Mimi's neck snapping in her transformation to turn into a spider, which has similar sound effects. It's even an InUniverse one, as Tippi and Merlee feel very disturbed.
--> '''Tippi''': YUCK!
--> '''Tippi''': YUCK!
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I would not go that far, Super Paper Mario remains quite contested and Color Spalsh has attained a large amount of defenders
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* ContestedSequel: As mentioned under BrokenBase and VindicatedByHistory, this game is this. While most people agree that the story is good, the removal of turn-based combat didn't sit well with a lot of fans, and there are ''lot'' of arguments about whether or not the gameplay is good. Many ''Paper Mario'' fans have embraced it since then, especially after ''Sticker Star'' came out, but there's still a number of people who aren't quite so receptive.
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* ContestedSequel: As mentioned under BrokenBase and VindicatedByHistory, this game is this. While most people agree that the story is good, the removal of turn-based combat didn't sit well with a lot of fans, and there are ''lot'' of arguments about whether or not the gameplay is good. Many ''Paper Mario'' fans have embraced warmed up to it since then, especially after ''Sticker Star'' came out, but there's still quite a number of people who aren't quite so receptive.receptive, especially those who simply can’t get behind some of the games more awkward ideas and obtuse puzzles.
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* VindicatedByHistory: This game was met with a BrokenBase when it was first released, mainly because not everyone was pleased with its choice to ditch turn-based battles and the reduced difficulty. Nowadays this has mostly died down, ''especially'' with the release of ''Sticker Star'' which caused many people to start to appreciate the ways in which ''Super'' still felt like a true ''Paper Mario'' game (particularly the humor, charm and story), and people who once loathed the game tend to generally view it as a different but enjoyable game with a great story, almost like a spinoff of a spinoff series. The game still has its hatedom, but it's a VocalMinority at this point. ''VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar'' and ''VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash'' have also helped give fans something else to complain about. It helps that the game keeps the feeling that the first two games had while building on top of it, unlike ''Sticker Star'' and ''Color Splash'', which ditched it almost entirely.
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* VindicatedByHistory: This game was met with a BrokenBase when it was first released, mainly because not everyone was pleased with its choice to ditch turn-based battles and the reduced difficulty. Nowadays this has mostly died down, ''especially'' with the release of ''Sticker Star'' which caused many people to start to appreciate the ways in which ''Super'' still felt like a true ''Paper Mario'' game (particularly the humor, charm and story), and people who once loathed the game tend to generally view it as a different but enjoyable game with a great story, almost like a spinoff of a spinoff series. The game still has its hatedom, but it's a VocalMinority at this point. ''VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar'' and ''VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash'' have also helped give fans something else to complain about. It helps that the game keeps the feeling that the first two games had while building on top of it, unlike ''Sticker Star'' and ''Color Splash'', which ditched it almost entirely.
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** At the time of the game’s release, the Pixl named “Boomer” had his name taken at face value: a reference to his exploding ability. But after the explosion of the “Okay, Boomer” meme in 2019, modern players are more likely to think of “Okay, Boomer” jokes upon hearing his name instead.
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: After the first two Dorguys, you expect the 3rd one to do a quiz as well. Instead, it summons the Underchomp, a multi-colored, three-headed Chain Chomp. What's weird is the battle against it, which takes the form of a retro RPG, complete with a new arrangement of the midboss theme. There's no in-game reason for why this fight is so different, and when the Underchomp is defeated, the Dorguy lets you pass with no mention of the sudden genre shift.
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* SequelDifficultyDrop: The first two games weren't that hard, but ''Super Paper Mario'' has a noticeable drop on difficulty compared to them since most enemies die in very few hits and you can easily bypass them thanks to the Flipping mechanic. There are also several things that can make the game much easier than usual, such as controlling Bowser while using Carrie for a speed boost. The bosses also require less strategy than in the previous games, with many of them being merely using the GoombaStomp on them over and over.
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* SequelDifficultyDrop: The first two games weren't that hard, but ''Super Paper Mario'' has a noticeable drop on difficulty compared to them since most enemies die in very few hits and you can easily bypass them thanks to the Flipping mechanic. There are also several things that can make the game much easier than usual, such as controlling Bowser while using Carrie for a speed boost. The bosses also require less strategy than in the previous games, with many of them being merely using the GoombaStomp on them over and over.over, even the final bosses. Even [[BonusBoss Shadoo]] can be a complete joke as it's no different from any other boss except for having much higher stats, while the [[VideoGame/PaperMario64 Final Master]] and [[VideoGame/PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor Bonetail]] could become a nightmare for the unprepared.
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**Though it still didn't get as bad as later games, which started ditching even the most basic RPG elements like levelling and customization while this one could still fit as an ActionRPG styled as a 2D Mario platformer, more or less the opposite of the first two games (traditional role-playing games styled as a 3D Mario platformer).
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** Breadward.[[labelnote:Explanation]]A fake Pixl made up by Mimi as a bribe when in disguise. [[{{WebVideo/Vinesauce}} Vinny of Vinesauce fame]] is convinced that it's real and has a distinct ''determination'' to get it.[[/labelnote]]
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** Breadward.[[labelnote:Explanation]]A fake Pixl made up by Mimi as a bribe when in disguise. [[{{WebVideo/Vinesauce}} Vinny of Vinesauce fame]] is convinced that it's real and has a distinct ''determination'' to get it.[[/labelnote]]
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* MoralEventHorizon:
** Dimentio crosses it when [[spoiler:it's revealed that he [[ManipulativeBastard manipulated everyone]] so he can [[OmnicidalManiac remake the universe]] and when he's defeated, tries to destroy everything as an act of spite]].
** [[spoiler:Blumiere's father]] ''kickstarts the entire plot from behind the scenes'' far on the other side of this trope before the game begins. [[spoiler:When his attempt to end the relationship between his son and Timpani failed, he cursed her to wander between dimensions as a last resort, almost killing her in the process]], simply to [[spoiler:keep his tribe's magic pure and strong]]. His actions are so atrocious that [[spoiler:his son]] snaps and becomes the WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds he is today.
** Dimentio crosses it when [[spoiler:it's revealed that he [[ManipulativeBastard manipulated everyone]] so he can [[OmnicidalManiac remake the universe]] and when he's defeated, tries to destroy everything as an act of spite]].
** [[spoiler:Blumiere's father]] ''kickstarts the entire plot from behind the scenes'' far on the other side of this trope before the game begins. [[spoiler:When his attempt to end the relationship between his son and Timpani failed, he cursed her to wander between dimensions as a last resort, almost killing her in the process]], simply to [[spoiler:keep his tribe's magic pure and strong]]. His actions are so atrocious that [[spoiler:his son]] snaps and becomes the WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds he is today.
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** Squirps. After spending most of Chapter 4 being a SmallAnnoyingCreature, upon reaching the center of the Whoa Zone, you learn that he's [[spoiler:the young prince of a long-dead kingdom, who was sealed in a hibernation capsule to ensure that the heroes would find their way to one of the Pure Hearts. Essentially, he forfeited his chance for a safe, easy, normal life -- all to prevent a threat that would have been hundreds of years after his time.]] And unlike [[spoiler:King Croacus, Luvbi, or Timpani and Blumiere, he doesn't receive an automatic ResetButton happy ending once the game is over. He's left entirely on his own in the depths of space, with only the hope that he'll be able to restore his kingdom someday.]] And he's ''a little kid'' through all of this.
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** Squirps. After spending most of Chapter 4 being a SmallAnnoyingCreature, nuisance, upon reaching the center of the Whoa Zone, you learn that he's [[spoiler:the young prince of a long-dead kingdom, who was sealed in a hibernation capsule to ensure that the heroes would find their way to one of the Pure Hearts. Essentially, he forfeited his chance for a safe, easy, normal life -- all to prevent a threat that would have been hundreds of years after his time.]] And unlike [[spoiler:King Croacus, Luvbi, or Timpani and Blumiere, he doesn't receive an automatic ResetButton happy ending once the game is over. He's left entirely on his own in the depths of space, with only the hope that he'll be able to restore his kingdom someday.]] And he's ''a little kid'' through all of this.
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Misuse. This only applies to mior characters, and they're not minor characters. And this only applies to individuals, not groups.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Mr. L, despite being just a brainwashed Luigi, is one of if not the most popular characters in the game mostly for his really cool EvilCostumeSwitch as well as the fun Brobot boss fights. He also has an AwesomeEgo.
** Basically, all of Team Bleck get this to various degrees. All of his minions (with the exception of Dimentio, who is [[spoiler:TheStarscream]]) are praised for their UndyingLoyalty to the count until the very end, O'Chunks is particularly memorable for his amusing ProudWarriorRaceGuy DumbMuscle mentality as well as his [[{{Fartillery}} method of flight]] [[OlderThanTheyThink before the Wario Waft was even a thing]], Mimi is liked for her CuteMonsterGirl design, [[VoluntaryShapeshifting shape-shifting abilities]], and [[NightmareFuel legitimately terrifying true form]], and Nastasia is liked for her secretary personality, [[MindControlEyes hypnotic abilities]] (which in turn gave birth to Mr. L above), and heartwarming backstory.
** Mr. L, despite being just a brainwashed Luigi, is one of if not the most popular characters in the game mostly for his really cool EvilCostumeSwitch as well as the fun Brobot boss fights. He also has an AwesomeEgo.
** Basically, all of Team Bleck get this to various degrees. All of his minions (with the exception of Dimentio, who is [[spoiler:TheStarscream]]) are praised for their UndyingLoyalty to the count until the very end, O'Chunks is particularly memorable for his amusing ProudWarriorRaceGuy DumbMuscle mentality as well as his [[{{Fartillery}} method of flight]] [[OlderThanTheyThink before the Wario Waft was even a thing]], Mimi is liked for her CuteMonsterGirl design, [[VoluntaryShapeshifting shape-shifting abilities]], and [[NightmareFuel legitimately terrifying true form]], and Nastasia is liked for her secretary personality, [[MindControlEyes hypnotic abilities]] (which in turn gave birth to Mr. L above), and heartwarming backstory.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse:
**EnsembleDarkhorse: Mr. L, despite being just a brainwashed Luigi, is one of if not the most popular characters in the game mostly for his really cool EvilCostumeSwitch as well as the fun Brobot boss fights. He also has an AwesomeEgo.
** Basically, all of Team Bleck get this to various degrees. All of his minions (with the exception of Dimentio, who is [[spoiler:TheStarscream]]) are praised for their UndyingLoyalty to the count until the very end, O'Chunks is particularly memorable for his amusing ProudWarriorRaceGuy DumbMuscle mentality as well as his [[{{Fartillery}} method of flight]] [[OlderThanTheyThink before the Wario Waft was even a thing]], Mimi is liked for her CuteMonsterGirl design, [[VoluntaryShapeshifting shape-shifting abilities]], and [[NightmareFuel legitimately terrifying true form]], and Nastasia is liked for her secretary personality, [[MindControlEyes hypnotic abilities]] (which in turn gave birth to Mr. L above), and heartwarming backstory.AwesomeEgo.
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** Basically, all of Team Bleck get this to various degrees. All of his minions (with the exception of Dimentio, who is [[spoiler:TheStarscream]]) are praised for their UndyingLoyalty to the count until the very end, O'Chunks is particularly memorable for his amusing ProudWarriorRaceGuy DumbMuscle mentality as well as his [[{{Fartillery}} method of flight]] [[OlderThanTheyThink before the Wario Waft was even a thing]], Mimi is liked for her CuteMonsterGirl design, [[VoluntaryShapeshifting shape-shifting abilities]], and [[NightmareFuel legitimately terrifying true form]], and Nastasia is liked for her secretary personality, [[MindControlEyes hypnotic abilities]] (which in turn gave birth to Mr. L above), and heartwarming backstory.
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First of all, Dimentio doesn't kill them; he just transported them to the Underwhere, which isn't really evil and fails the "outstandingly evil by the standards of the story" criteria. Second of all, he wanted to recreate the universe, not destroy it. When he does change his mind and decides to destroy the universe instead, the deed fails the "those crossing the MEH need to retain presence / agency in the story long enough for the MEH to affect their portrayal" criteria because he dies immediately after trying that. Blumiere's father fails the "change in portrayal" criteria. Full criteria.
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* MoralEventHorizon:
** Dimentio crosses it when he [[spoiler:seemingly murders Mario, Luigi and Bowser by sending them to the Underwhere all with a SlasherSmile]]. He just takes it further when [[spoiler:it's revealed that he [[ManipulativeBastard manipulated everyone]] so he can [[OmnicidalManiac destroy the universe]] and when he's defeated, tries to destroy everything as an act of spite]].
** [[spoiler:Blumiere's father]] ''kickstarts the entire plot from behind the scenes'' far on the other side of this trope before the game begins. [[spoiler:When his attempt to end the relationship between his son and Timpani failed, he cursed her to wander between dimensions as a last resort, almost killing her in the process]], simply to [[spoiler:keep his tribe's magic pure and strong]]. His actions are so atrocious that [[spoiler:his son]] snaps and becomes the WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds he is today.
** Dimentio crosses it when he [[spoiler:seemingly murders Mario, Luigi and Bowser by sending them to the Underwhere all with a SlasherSmile]]. He just takes it further when [[spoiler:it's revealed that he [[ManipulativeBastard manipulated everyone]] so he can [[OmnicidalManiac destroy the universe]] and when he's defeated, tries to destroy everything as an act of spite]].
** [[spoiler:Blumiere's father]] ''kickstarts the entire plot from behind the scenes'' far on the other side of this trope before the game begins. [[spoiler:When his attempt to end the relationship between his son and Timpani failed, he cursed her to wander between dimensions as a last resort, almost killing her in the process]], simply to [[spoiler:keep his tribe's magic pure and strong]]. His actions are so atrocious that [[spoiler:his son]] snaps and becomes the WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds he is today.
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[MonsterClown Dimentio]] masquerades as a [[LaughablyEvil humorous henchman]] under Count Bleck's employ, while [[TheManInFrontOfTheMan secretly harboring more sinister designs]]. Dimentio [[TheChessmaster manipulates every faction towards his ultimate goal]] to use the Chaos Heart to obliterate reality so that he could create a new one under his control. To this end, Dimentio brainwashes Fracktail and sends him out to be killed by Mario, experiments on his own subordinates with the brain-jacking Floro Sprouts, seemingly murders Mario and his friends by sending them to the Underwhere, and secretly implants a Floro Sprout within Luigi's mind as to revert him back to Mr. L. After Count Bleck is defeated, Dimentio attempts to kill him, seemingly murdering Nastasia in the process. Dimentio seizes Luigi as his host in the final battle and, after his defeat, uses the Chaos Heart to [[SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum try to destroy reality]] as an act of spite. A sadistic, psychopathic, and omnicidal madman, [[VileVillainSaccharineShow Dimentio stands out among Mario villains as one of the worst of the worst]].]]
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[MonsterClown Dimentio]] masquerades as a [[LaughablyEvil humorous henchman]] under Count Bleck's employ, while [[TheManInFrontOfTheMan secretly harboring more sinister designs]]. Dimentio [[TheChessmaster manipulates every faction towards his ultimate goal]] to use the Chaos Heart to obliterate reality so that he could create a new one under his control. To this end, Dimentio brainwashes Fracktail and sends him out to be killed by Mario, experiments on his own subordinates with the brain-jacking Floro Sprouts, seemingly murders Mario and his friends by sending them to the Underwhere, and secretly implants a Floro Sprout within Luigi's mind as to revert him back to Mr. L. After Count Bleck is defeated, Dimentio attempts to kill him, seemingly murdering Nastasia in the process. Dimentio seizes Luigi as his host in the final battle and, after his defeat, uses the Chaos Heart to [[SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum try to destroy reality]] as an act of spite. A sadistic, psychopathic, and omnicidal madman, [[VileVillainSaccharineShow Dimentio stands out among Mario villains as one of the worst of the worst]].]]
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[MonsterClown Dimentio]] masquerades as a [[LaughablyEvil humorous henchman]] under Count Bleck's employ, while [[TheManInFrontOfTheMan secretly harboring more sinister designs]]. Dimentio [[TheChessmaster manipulates every faction towards his ultimate goal]] to use the Chaos Heart to obliterate reality so that he could create a new one under his control. To this end, Dimentio brainwashes Fracktail and sends him out to be killed by Mario, experiments on his own subordinates with the brain-jacking Floro Sprouts, seemingly murders Mario and his friends by sending them to the Underwhere, and secretly implants a Floro Sprout within Luigi's mind as to revert him back to Mr. L. After Count Bleck is defeated, Dimentio attempts to kill him, seemingly murdering Nastasia in the process. Dimentio seizes Luigi as his host in the final battle and, after his defeat, uses the Chaos Heart to [[SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum try to destroy reality]] as an act of spite. A sadistic, psychopathic, and omnicidal madman, [[VileVillainSaccarineShow Dimentio stands out among Mario villains as one of the worst of the worst]].]]
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[MonsterClown Dimentio]] masquerades as a [[LaughablyEvil humorous henchman]] under Count Bleck's employ, while [[TheManInFrontOfTheMan secretly harboring more sinister designs]]. Dimentio [[TheChessmaster manipulates every faction towards his ultimate goal]] to use the Chaos Heart to obliterate reality so that he could create a new one under his control. To this end, Dimentio brainwashes Fracktail and sends him out to be killed by Mario, experiments on his own subordinates with the brain-jacking Floro Sprouts, seemingly murders Mario and his friends by sending them to the Underwhere, and secretly implants a Floro Sprout within Luigi's mind as to revert him back to Mr. L. After Count Bleck is defeated, Dimentio attempts to kill him, seemingly murdering Nastasia in the process. Dimentio seizes Luigi as his host in the final battle and, after his defeat, uses the Chaos Heart to [[SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum try to destroy reality]] as an act of spite. A sadistic, psychopathic, and omnicidal madman, [[VileVillainSaccarineShow [[VileVillainSaccharineShow Dimentio stands out among Mario villains as one of the worst of the worst]].]]
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[MonsterClown Dimentio]] masquerades as a [[LaughablyEvil humorous henchman]] under Count Bleck's employ, while [[TheManInFrontOfTheMan secretly harboring more sinister designs]]. Dimentio [[TheChessmaster manipulates every faction towards his ultimate goal]] to use the Chaos Heart to obliterate reality so that he could create a new one under his control. To this end, Dimentio brainwashes Fracktail and sends him out to be killed by Mario, experiments on his own subordinates with the brain-jacking Floro Sprouts, seemingly murders Mario and his friends by sending them to the Underwhere, and secretly implants a Floro Sprout within Luigi's mind as to revert him back to Mr. L. After Count Bleck is defeated, Dimentio attempts to kill him, seemingly murdering Nastasia in the process. Dimentio seizes Luigi as his host in the final battle and, after his defeat, uses the Chaos Heart to [[SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum try to destroy reality]] as an act of spite. A sadistic, psychopathic, and omnicidal madman, Dimentio stands out among Mario villains as one of the worst of the worst.]]
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[MonsterClown Dimentio]] masquerades as a [[LaughablyEvil humorous henchman]] under Count Bleck's employ, while [[TheManInFrontOfTheMan secretly harboring more sinister designs]]. Dimentio [[TheChessmaster manipulates every faction towards his ultimate goal]] to use the Chaos Heart to obliterate reality so that he could create a new one under his control. To this end, Dimentio brainwashes Fracktail and sends him out to be killed by Mario, experiments on his own subordinates with the brain-jacking Floro Sprouts, seemingly murders Mario and his friends by sending them to the Underwhere, and secretly implants a Floro Sprout within Luigi's mind as to revert him back to Mr. L. After Count Bleck is defeated, Dimentio attempts to kill him, seemingly murdering Nastasia in the process. Dimentio seizes Luigi as his host in the final battle and, after his defeat, uses the Chaos Heart to [[SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum try to destroy reality]] as an act of spite. A sadistic, psychopathic, and omnicidal madman, [[VileVillainSaccarineShow Dimentio stands out among Mario villains as one of the worst of the worst.worst]].]]
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Transferred info about Bonechill into Cheese Strategy, where it fits a bit better.
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** The game is not balanced around Bowser's damage output as a MightyGlacier, and combining him with Carrie for better movement, Thudley/Cudge for stronger hits, or Dottie to make him unseeable can end every boss fight in seconds and make the Pits risk-free. Most challenge runs discourage using Bowser so that the difficulty curve can be maintained.
** Bonechill is normally one of the tougher bosses, as he has strong freezing attacks and ignores Bowser's power by being too high for him to hit, leading to a slower fight requiring Thoreau. However, this is one of the bosses Luigi is present for, and he can super-jump into Bonechill's head at any time for heavy damage and then bounce on it several times in a row. Bonechill has no way of countering this (it resets his pattern and he only has one phase), turning the Underwhere's SatanicArchetype into a pushover.
** The game is not balanced around Bowser's damage output as a MightyGlacier, and combining him with Carrie for better movement, Thudley/Cudge for stronger hits, or Dottie to make him unseeable can end every boss fight in seconds and make the Pits risk-free. Most challenge runs discourage using Bowser so that the difficulty curve can be maintained.
** Bonechill is normally one of the tougher bosses, as he has strong freezing attacks and ignores Bowser's power by being too high for him to hit, leading to a slower fight requiring Thoreau. However, this is one of the bosses Luigi is present for, and he can super-jump into Bonechill's head at any time for heavy damage and then bounce on it several times in a row. Bonechill has no way of countering this (it resets his pattern and he only has one phase), turning the Underwhere's SatanicArchetype into a pushover.
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* MemeticLoser: Bonechill, due to his cool design and backstory being undermined by [[AntiClimaxBoss a boss fight that can be ended in less in half a minute]]. Nearly every fan sees him as a joke.
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* MemeticLoser: Bonechill, due to his cool design and backstory being undermined by [[AntiClimaxBoss a boss fight that can be ended in less in than half a minute]]. Nearly every fan sees him as a joke.
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By the way, Mistress Fi, you really should consult with other tropers in the Projects: Short-Term forums before completely removing an entry like this.
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Elaborating on the final bosses' Anti Climax Boss entries, as they really aren't difficult to beat.
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* AntiClimaxBoss: Count Bleck and [[spoiler:Super Dimentio]], the [[FinalBoss Final Bosses]], are both rather easy to beat, especially compared to the previous games' final bosses. Their attacks are already slow and easy to dodge, and their attacks don't do a lot of damage (Count Bleck's main attack only does ''3''), at a point where you likely have around 60 HP and several healing items. Unless you're [[SelfImposedChallenge deliberately underlevelled]], they won't pose much of a threat.
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* SelfImposedChallenge: If you really wanted to, you ''could'' earn back the rupees for Mimi's vase in the way that she wants you to rather than the much easier and faster way that the game provides for you. [[PoopSocking It is not recommended]].
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* TheScrappy: Luvbi, due to her attitude. [[spoiler:[[AlasPoorScrappy That didn't stop players from crying]] over her DisneyDeath.]]
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Lots of edits here, I know. I guess I'm just trying to make a few minor changes so that the page seems slightly less biased in either direction.
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** While the release of ''[[VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar Sticker Star]]'' has largely subsided this, the change of gameplay from a traditional turn-based RPG to a 2.5D platformer with RPG elements originally resulted in massive base break. Even today, there is a debate on whether it’s good on its own right, tolerable due to the amazing story/in comparison to the awful gameplay in ''Sticker Star'', or still just outright bad. (The release of later games has mostly led to the fanbase falling under the first two options).
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** While the release of ''[[VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar Sticker Star]]'' has largely subsided this, the change of gameplay from a traditional turn-based RPG to a 2.5D platformer with RPG elements originally resulted in massive base break. Even today, there is a debate on whether it’s good on its own right, tolerable due to the amazing story/in comparison to the awful gameplay in ''Sticker Star'', or still just outright bad. (The release of later games has mostly led to the fanbase falling under the first two options).options.)
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* ContestedSequel: As mentioned under BrokenBase and VindicatedByHistory, this game is this. While most people agree that the story is good, the removal of turn-based combat didn't sit well with a lot of fans, and there are ''lot'' of arguments about whether or not the gameplay is good. Many ''Paper Mario'' fans have embraced it since then, especially after ''Sticker Star'' came out, but there's still a number of people who dislike it.
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* ContestedSequel: As mentioned under BrokenBase and VindicatedByHistory, this game is this. While most people agree that the story is good, the removal of turn-based combat didn't sit well with a lot of fans, and there are ''lot'' of arguments about whether or not the gameplay is good. Many ''Paper Mario'' fans have embraced it since then, especially after ''Sticker Star'' came out, but there's still a number of people who dislike it.aren't quite so receptive.
