History YMMV / SuikodenIV

16th Mar '18 11:43:31 AM rixion
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*** Also about the naval battles, when two ships gets close enough, it starts a normal battle between your assigned fighter and the enemy's. The problem is that you can only attack or defend, making mages useless. Losing said battle also causes the ship to sink instantly, regardless of HP.



* UnderusedGameMechanic: The "Confession System", which replaces the "Detective Investigations" from the previous games. Keen always asks the same three questions and nearly every character gives similar answers.

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* UnderusedGameMechanic: The "Confession System", which replaces the "Detective Investigations" from the previous games. Keen always asks the same three questions questions[[note]]"Is there someone who is causing problems?", "Do you like Lazlo?" and "Do you have something to confess?"[[/note]] and nearly every character gives similar answers.answers for the first two. The system is also impractical to use, as Keen will only judge when Lazlo is the only party member.
3rd Mar '18 10:12:01 AM rixion
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* {{Padding}}: Recruiting Taisuke and Travis.
** For Taisuke, you have to go cross the small dungeon cavern in the Deserted island five times[[note]]one time to talk to him, backtrack to get his clothes, go in again and give it to him, backtrack while he got dressed and go in again to recruit him.[[/note]] And then you have to go again to recruit a mermaid.
** As for Travis, Lazlo must travel right through the Obel Ruins to find him. When finally encountered, he asks the hero if he has an Escape Talisman and asks him to prove it by using it. This (irritatingly) warps the hero right to the start of the Obel Ruins, which must be navigated again to finally recruit him.
28th Feb '18 4:41:29 PM rixion
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* ThatOneSidequest: The BattleTops minigame. If you want to collect every Window Set, Old book and Treasure Map, you have to play it. Basil will reward you depending on your number of consecutive victories: 5 wins grants you the "Window Set 2", for 10 wins you get the "Old Book 2", and for '''20 WINS''' you get Treasure Map 14. The problem is that you cannot lose not even once; if you win four times and lose the fifth match, your score resets and you will have to start over.
2nd Feb '18 11:54:20 AM erforce
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: A very short one, which really deserved to be extended: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL18NPyJa9k Magnificent Swordsman]].
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHT4l9V1SK4&hd=1 La Mer]], the opening theme counts as well.

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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic:
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A very short one, which really deserved to be extended: [[http://www."[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL18NPyJa9k Magnificent Swordsman]].
Swordsman]]".
** [[http://www."[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHT4l9V1SK4&hd=1 com/watch?v=j7s9w03sUhE La Mer]], Mer]]", the opening theme counts as well.



* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic: At the early part of the game, when Snowe gives Lazlo the chance to be the one to light the torches in the festival.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic: WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic:
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At the early part of the game, when Snowe gives Lazlo the chance to be the one to light the torches in the festival.
2nd Feb '18 9:45:57 AM rixion
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Warlock, a powerful sorcerer who invented the rune cannons, who was used for warfare. He could have been a much bigger role, but is only a optional character with minimal dialogue interactions. To make things worse, [[spoiler:he is [[DroppedABridgeOnHim unceremonious killed off in the epilogue]], despite the sequel, ''Videogame/SuikodenTactics'' is heavily focused on the Kyril's journey to destroy his inventions.]]

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Warlock, a powerful sorcerer who invented the rune cannons, who was used for warfare. He could have been a much bigger role, but is only a optional character with minimal dialogue interactions. To make things worse, [[spoiler:he is [[DroppedABridgeOnHim unceremonious killed off off]] in the epilogue]], epilogue, despite the sequel, ''Videogame/SuikodenTactics'' is heavily ''Videogame/SuikodenTactics'', being focused on the Kyril's journey to destroy his inventions.]]
2nd Feb '18 9:45:09 AM rixion
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Warlock, a powerful sorcerer who invented the rune cannons, who was used for warfare. He could have been a much bigger role, but is only a optional character with minimal dialogue interactions. To make things worse, [[spoiler:he is [[DroppedABridgeOnHim unceremonious killed off in the epilogue]], despite the sequel, ''Videogame/SuikodenTactics'' is heavily focused on the Kyril's journey to destroy his inventions.]]
27th Jan '18 10:23:30 AM rixion
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* ScrappyMechanic: Cutting the standard ''Suikoden'' party size from six to four is ''the'' most hated thing about this game. When you've got several dozen playable characters, only being able to use four at a time is quite bad. In addition to reducing the party combinations you can play with, it also makes unlocking and using all of the {{Combination Attack}}s a pain. In particular, the 4-person combo attack by the Razril knights (minus Lazlo and Snowe) can ''only'' be used during ship travel by calling them in as a reserve party, since that's the only way to remove Lazlo from the active roster.

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Cutting the standard ''Suikoden'' party size from six to four is ''the'' most hated thing about this game. When you've got several dozen playable characters, only being able to use four at a time is quite bad. In addition to reducing the party combinations you can play with, it also makes unlocking and using all of the {{Combination Attack}}s a pain. In particular, the 4-person combo attack by the Razril knights (minus Lazlo and Snowe) can ''only'' be used during ship travel by calling them in as a reserve party, since that's the only way to remove Lazlo from the active roster.


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* UnderusedGameMechanic: The "Confession System", which replaces the "Detective Investigations" from the previous games. Keen always asks the same three questions and nearly every character gives similar answers.
7th Jan '18 12:05:04 AM karategal
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* GoodBadBugs: The duel with Lino en Kuldes can be skipped by innicialy refusing to fight him (choose the option ''"W-wait a minute!"'') then accepting him offer the second time (choose ''"I accept your challenge"''). This will automatically lead to the victory cutscene, where Lino acknowledges his defeat.

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* GoodBadBugs: The duel with Lino en Kuldes can be skipped by innicialy initially refusing to fight him (choose the option ''"W-wait a minute!"'') then accepting him offer the second time (choose ''"I accept your challenge"''). This will automatically lead to the victory cutscene, where Lino acknowledges his defeat.
8th Jun '17 7:11:58 AM rixion
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* GameBreaker:
** Kika and her triple-damage, non-missing, infinite-use Falcon Rune. Throw in [[spoiler:Ted]] (most powerful spellcaster, bar none) and [[spoiler:Snowe]] (gets an ABSURDLY powerful CombinationAttack with Lazlo), and you've got a team that simply can't be stopped.
*** Oh, [[UpToEleven it gets worse]]: Grab the duo of Lazlo and [[spoiler:Ted]], slap a couple high-level magic runes on them (in addition to their default runes), and let them go to town in the [[LevelGrinding Training Hall]]. Then, take advantage of how the Training Hall works (the enemy levels are based on the highest-level member of your group) to '''grind the entire combat cast to level 100 in a couple hours''' (except the guy who runs the Training Hall, of course).

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* GameBreaker:
** Kika and her triple-damage, non-missing, infinite-use Falcon Rune. Throw in [[spoiler:Ted]] (most powerful spellcaster, bar none) and [[spoiler:Snowe]] (gets an ABSURDLY powerful CombinationAttack with Lazlo), and you've got a team that simply can't be stopped.
*** Oh, [[UpToEleven it gets worse]]: Grab the duo of Lazlo and [[spoiler:Ted]], slap a couple high-level magic runes on them (in addition to their default runes), and let them go to town in the [[LevelGrinding Training Hall]]. Then, take advantage of how the Training Hall works (the enemy levels are based on the highest-level member of your group) to '''grind the entire combat cast to level 100 in a couple hours''' (except the guy who runs the Training Hall, of course).
GameBreaker: [[GameBreaker/{{Suikoden}} Has its own page.]]
22nd Apr '17 5:16:39 PM nombretomado
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** Army battles in the series have always varied in quality, but the ship battles this time around don't feature any special tactics, interesting maneuvers, or surprises about your enemies' capabilities--you're basically playing rock-paper-scissors against someone missing their first two fingers. Even worse by comparison to ''SuikodenV'', which features both more interesting and larger-scale naval battles, despite those battles being confined to a mere river while ''SuikodenIV'' is on the open ocean. In ''Suikoden IV'', the number of ships involved is always in the single digits, turning what are supposed to be major engagements into mere skirmishes.

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** Army battles in the series have always varied in quality, but the ship battles this time around don't feature any special tactics, interesting maneuvers, or surprises about your enemies' capabilities--you're basically playing rock-paper-scissors against someone missing their first two fingers. Even worse by comparison to ''SuikodenV'', ''VideoGame/SuikodenV'', which features both more interesting and larger-scale naval battles, despite those battles being confined to a mere river while ''SuikodenIV'' ''VideoGame/SuikodenIV'' is on the open ocean. In ''Suikoden IV'', the number of ships involved is always in the single digits, turning what are supposed to be major engagements into mere skirmishes.
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