History YMMV / StarTrekVoyager

8th Oct '17 6:34:59 PM MagBas
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* CommonKnowledge: We're told along with the Millennium Gate, the Great Wall of China was one of the only man made objects visible from Earth's orbit by the naked eye before the 22nd century. [[http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/11%3A59#Continuity_and_trivia Memory Alpha]]:"When Neelix suggests that the Great Wall of China is visible from space, he takes a popular Earth myth as fact and Janeway, a capable science officer, does not correct him. Under optimal conditons the path of the Great Wall is visible but the wall itself is not. Man-made objects visible from space include the Great Pyramids of Giza, collections of cities, man-made geographical features (like Lake Mead in Nevada, Kennecott Copper Mine [=[an open pit mine]=] in Utah, and Flevoland in the Netherlands), and wakes of large ships at sea."
6th Sep '17 5:39:13 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** The Maquis-Starfleet divide was an interesting idea, and should have been a rich source of internal conflict. Unfortunately, after introducing the group in ''The Next Generation'' and fleshing them out in ''Deep Space Nine'' specifically for this show to do just that... the conflict was dropped three episodes in and rarely mentioned again. Again, it's probably due to the "no conflict" ruling.
14th Aug '17 3:16:09 PM wyattte
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* Is Neelix an out-of-place needlessly cheerful & annoying character more fitting to be on a PBS kids show, or is he a traumatized, broken man putting on a smile to keep himself out of crippling depression? His backstory includes running away from military service, watching his home planet be wiped out by a horrible weapon, floating around space as a junk trader on his own and watching as the woman he loved was abused by the Kazon. His cheerful attitude and positive outlook may annoy Tuvok, but it's perhaps the only thing keeping him from suicide or insanity and as we saw in one episode, he could be pushed to the former with enough trauma.

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* ** Is Neelix an out-of-place needlessly cheerful & annoying character more fitting to be on a PBS kids show, or is he a traumatized, broken man putting on a smile to keep himself out of crippling depression? His backstory includes running away from military service, watching his home planet be wiped out by a horrible weapon, floating around space as a junk trader on his own and watching as the woman he loved was abused by the Kazon. His cheerful attitude and positive outlook may annoy Tuvok, but it's perhaps the only thing keeping him from suicide or insanity and as we saw in one episode, he could be pushed to the former with enough trauma.



%% * MemeticMutation: [[http://i.imgur.com/z1mpT.png This explains so much.]]


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** Garrett Wang achieved HeReallyCanAct status in season 5's "Timeless." It's no secret that Wang was rarely given a chance to shine by the powers that be, with Harry Kim constantly stuck in the naive, wide-eyed EnsignNewbie persona (hell, "Nightingale" from season 7 had a great scene in which he lampshades this). So when he has to carry a particularly emotional arc - in this case, an older, more driven Harry Kim, fifteen years in the future, trying to SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong - he ''nails'' it, which is one reason "Timeless" is a fan favorite.
5th Aug '17 1:29:51 PM Fiendish
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* [[HeReallyCanAct She Really Can Act]]: '''Jeri. freakin'. Ryan.''' She would've been easy to dismiss as a mere MsFanservice, but knocked every major acting moment out of the park, ranging from TearJerker to comedy. Her flawless imitation of Robert Picardo when Seven is possessed by the Doctor in "Body and Soul" alone would qualify her for this trope.
5th Aug '17 1:02:30 AM whateveryousay21
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* Is Neelix an out-of-place needlessly cheerful & annoying character more fitting to be on a PBS kids show, or is he a traumatized, broken man putting on a smile to keep himself out of crippling depression? His backstory includes running away from military service, watching his home planet be wiped out by a horrible weapon, floating around space as a junk trader on his own and watching as the woman he loved was abused by the Kazon. His cheerful attitude and positive outlook may annoy Tuvok, but it's perhaps the only thing keeping him from suicide or insanity and as we saw in one episode, he could be pushed to the former with enough trauma.
3rd Aug '17 4:49:47 AM Fiendish
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** Garrett Wang openly complained about Harry Kim's utter lack of character development and being constantly written as the EnsignNewbie right up to the end of the series seven years into the journey. The ''Literature/StarTrekVoyagerRelaunch'' series and ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'' rapidly moved to fix this, starting with jumping him two grades to lieutenant, and ending with him in command of the USS ''Rhode Island'' in ''STO'''s ''Delta Rising'' expansion (as he had in the alternate future in "Endgame"). In addition, fans have been pleasantly surprised to discover that Garrett Wang himself is basically FunPersonified at conventions and fan events, leading many to lament that Wang's real personality would've been a huge improvement over the one-dimensional AlwaysOnDuty characterization of Kim.

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** Garrett Wang openly complained about Harry Kim's utter lack of character development and being constantly written as the EnsignNewbie right up to the end of the series seven years into the journey. The ''Literature/StarTrekVoyagerRelaunch'' series and ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'' rapidly moved to fix this, starting with jumping him two grades to lieutenant, and ending with him in command of the USS ''Rhode Island'' in ''STO'''s ''Delta Rising'' expansion (as he had in the alternate future in "Endgame"). In addition, fans have been pleasantly surprised to discover that Garrett Wang himself is basically FunPersonified at conventions and fan events, leading many to lament that Wang's real personality would've been a huge improvement over the one-dimensional AlwaysOnDuty characterization of Kim.


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* UnintentionallySympathetic: To this ''day'' there is significant fan complaining about Harry Kim never getting promoted above Ensign, despite the producers' best efforts to keep him in ButtMonkey-ville (and Rick Berman's stated belief that "[[StatusQuoIsGod someone has to be the ensign]]").
31st Jul '17 7:55:03 PM wyattte
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** Chakotay is a charming presence and sex symbol to quite a few fans. To others, he's an infamous EthnicScrappy (see below). The episodes with Robert Beltran noticeably phoning it in don't help much.



** "Twisted" wasn't even well liked by the ''actors'' - in particular, it's Robert Picardo's least favorite episode.

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** "Twisted" isn't just hated by fans, it wasn't even well liked by the ''actors'' - in particular, it's Robert Picardo's least favorite episode.episode, and Kate Mulgrew ''openly'' wanted it erased from canon.
27th Jul '17 5:10:53 AM Fiendish
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** Garrett Wang openly complained about Harry Kim's utter lack of character development and being constantly written as the EnsignNewbie right up to the end of the series seven years into the journey. The ''Literature/StarTrekVoyagerRelaunch'' series and ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'' rapidly moved to fix this, starting with jumping him two grades to lieutenant, and ending with him in command of the USS ''Rhode Island'' in ''STO'''s ''Delta Rising'' expansion (as he had in the alternate future in "Endgame").

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** Garrett Wang openly complained about Harry Kim's utter lack of character development and being constantly written as the EnsignNewbie right up to the end of the series seven years into the journey. The ''Literature/StarTrekVoyagerRelaunch'' series and ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'' rapidly moved to fix this, starting with jumping him two grades to lieutenant, and ending with him in command of the USS ''Rhode Island'' in ''STO'''s ''Delta Rising'' expansion (as he had in the alternate future in "Endgame"). In addition, fans have been pleasantly surprised to discover that Garrett Wang himself is basically FunPersonified at conventions and fan events, leading many to lament that Wang's real personality would've been a huge improvement over the one-dimensional AlwaysOnDuty characterization of Kim.
27th Jul '17 5:00:15 AM Fiendish
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** The infamous "Threshold" itself actually starts out with a solid premise: Paris being so desperate to prove his worth that he embarks on an incredibly dangerous experimental test flight, with tragic results. By all rights this should have been a really strong [[ADayInTheLimelight character episode]] for Paris, examining his DaddyIssues and his need for redemption, possibly even leading to some CharacterDevelopment. Instead we got... [[{{Narm}} lizards.]]


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** The producers' abject refusal to promote Harry Kim (and the "no conflict" directive mentioned above) prevented them from capitalizing on Tom Paris' demotion to Ensign. It would've made sense to promote Harry to Lieutenant around the same time, both in-universe and because it would have been a dramatically interesting wrinkle in Paris and Kim's friendship for them to reverse positions.
27th Jul '17 4:23:12 AM Fiendish
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** The reputation of the show itself never quite recovered from the drubbing "Threshold" provoked.

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** The reputation of the show itself never quite recovered from the drubbing "Threshold" provoked.is this for ''the show itself'', which is unfortunate, as the show started to [[GrowingTheBeard grow a nice beard]] not long after.



** "Threshold". Paris travels at infinite speed, becomes a catfish, and impregnates catfish Janeway. And he's cured by injections of ''antimatter''.

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** "Threshold". Paris travels at infinite speed, becomes a catfish, and impregnates catfish Janeway. And he's cured by injections of ''antimatter''. The episode now has minor CultClassic status among fans, with some even celebrating "Threshold Day" on the anniversary of the episode's original air date. It helps that unlike some other "franchise low point" Trek episodes, "Threshold" is just an extremely ridiculous BizarroEpisode rather than being outright offensive (like TNG's "Code of Honor").
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