Follow TV Tropes

Following

History YMMV / StarTrekInsurrection

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Did no one notice the Common Knowledge entry here?


** The fight Picard and Ru'afo have in the harvester ship's core has a series of deep blue panels in the background. It's difficult to confirm if they were genuinely meant to be part of the set dressing, or if they were set up for another computer-generated effect that was never completed.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
It was actually stated in the film that the technology needed to harvest the healing energy would destroy or severely damage the planet, killing the Ba’Ku if they remained, which is why the Federation is trying to relocate them.


*** Note also, that there wasn't really much that said the Bak'u even had to leave! If you just use the radiation as is, well... you have a very nice medical planet and age treatment facility. Set up a hospital there, you can check about exposure.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Trivia, not YMMV, and already mentioned on the Trivia tab anyhow


* ExecutiveMeddling: A rare case of a positive subversion. One might initially assume that the problems with the plot stem from this, but in actuality, a memo between Paramount executives and the writers has the executives wanting clarification on why Picard is choosing to side with the Bak'u in what they call a "blood feud" that is "nothing more than a gang fight". [[FridgeHorror The executives even point out that, with such a small gene pool, the Bak'u will be extinct from inbreeding in a few generations.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* ExecutiveMeddling: A rare case of a positive subversion. One might initially assume that the problems with the plot stem from this, but in actuality, a memo between Paramount executives and the writers has the executives wanting clarification on why Picard is choosing to side with the Bak'u in what they call a "blood feud" that is "nothing more than a gang fight". [[FridgeHorror The executives even point out that, with such a small gene pool, the Bak'u will be extinct from inbreeding in a few generations.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* AngstWhatAngst: At the point where Worf is at in his ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' arc, he's just become a widow due to the death of Jadzia Dax and would still be in the grieving process in the subsequent season. The lack of acknowledgement on this was the result of justified ExecutiveMeddling, as the sixth season of [=DS9=] hadn't aired in the UK yet, meaning Jadzia's death would've been a spoiler for international audiences. Still, the fact that Worf does not seem even slightly despondent throughout the film is very odd.

to:

* AngstWhatAngst: At the point where Worf is at in his ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' arc, he's just become a widow widower due to the death of Jadzia Dax and would still be in the grieving process in the subsequent season. The lack of acknowledgement on this was the result of justified ExecutiveMeddling, as the sixth season of [=DS9=] hadn't aired in the UK yet, meaning Jadzia's death would've been a spoiler for international audiences. Still, the fact that Worf does not seem even slightly despondent throughout the film is very odd.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
No reason to be here other than to aggravate.


* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: A lot of people consider the Ba'ku to be [[VillainProtagonist the true villains of the story]]. These people are idiots.

to:

* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: A lot of people consider the Ba'ku to be [[VillainProtagonist the true villains of the story]]. These people are idiots.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: A lot of people consider the Ba'ku to be [[VillainProtagonist the true villains of the story]].

to:

* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: A lot of people consider the Ba'ku to be [[VillainProtagonist the true villains of the story]]. These people are idiots.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* CriticalBacklash: Like a lot of other works from the latter years of Creator/RickBerman's stewardship of the franchise, the film was for a long time criticized for not doing enough with an interesting premise, but has since picked up a number of defenders who actually appreciate that it didn't try pushing the envelope too far and just focused on providing an hour-and-a-half's worth of entertainment. Many of its defenders consider its scenario -- the ''Enterprise'' crew rebelling to stand up for their moral beliefs -- to be one of the truest to Creator/GeneRoddenberry's ideals out of all the ''Star Trek'' films, even if the execution could have been better.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Removing Flame Bait


* UnfortunateImplications: The characters repeatedly refer to the Ba'ku planet as a paradise and the people as perfect. All of the Ba'ku are skinny, have light hair, and are white. Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis even sarcastically point this out in their DVD commentary.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:


* IdiotPlot: The plot itself breaks down immediately due to the fact that there are only about 600 Ba'ku, [[{{Planetville}} living in a single village]], [[SpaceAmish with no advanced technology]]. This makes the entire plot a glaring case of SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale, as it is never explained why the Son'a had not simply taken up regular residence someplace else on the planet decades earlier. There was no indication of how the Ba'ku could have forced them to remain offworld, even if they were not welcome in the community. Likewise, the Federation could have established entire cities elsewhere on the planet, thousands of miles away from the Ba'ku village, without them ever even ''knowing''!
** The concept of using one of the most iconic technologies in Star Trek, the ''Transporter'', to simply beam Data to a secure location once he starts going crazy would have prevented the entire plot from happening.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Speaking of low-resolution, the CG on Ru'afo's harvester ship is noticeably pixelated.
** The fight Picard and Ru'afo have in the harvester ship's core has a series of deep blue panels in the background. It's difficult to confirm if they were genuinely meant to be part of the set dressing, or if they were set up for another computer-generated effect that was never completed.

Changed: 4

Removed: 225

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:


* JerkassWoobie: Ru'afo.
* MarySueTopia: The Bak'u, who live on a planet with fountain-of-youth powers and espouse a technology-free society. They still use all pre-industrial technology though, making them not as "primitive" as they'd like to claim.

to:

* %%* JerkassWoobie: Ru'afo.
* MarySueTopia: The Bak'u, who live on a planet with fountain-of-youth powers and espouse a technology-free society. They still use all pre-industrial technology though, making them not as "primitive" as they'd like to claim.
Ru'afo.



** Anything Ru'afo does usually qualifies.

to:

** %%** Anything Ru'afo does usually qualifies.

Added: 467

Changed: 335

Removed: 135

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* CommonKnowledge: The blue panels used in the collector set have resulted in the misconception that they were supposed to be keyed out and replaced by starfield backgrounds, but for whatever reason were left in. As behind-the-scenes footage (including from [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHJ7opsQnQo the deleted ending]]) demonstrates, however, the film used ''green''screen rather than bluescreen, indicating that the blue panels were a deliberate design choice.



* SoOkayItsAverage: Of all the "bad" ''Franchise/StarTrek'' films, perhaps the one that has the fewest defenders ''or'' detractors, on account of being so ineffectual and forgettable.

to:

* SoOkayItsAverage: Of all the "bad" ''Franchise/StarTrek'' films, perhaps the one that has the fewest defenders ''or'' detractors, on account of being so ineffectual and forgettable. The fact that the film doesn't feature anything as contentious as the destruction of the ''Enterprise''-D or any major character deaths is in retrospect held up as one of the film's strengths, but at the same time, it takes so few creative risks that the end result is something that simply isn't memorable for good ''or'' bad reasons.



** The fight scene in the projector, where they just left the bluescreen in instead of chroma-keying whatever was supposed to be there.

Changed: 70

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
this page brings up "dominion allies" well over twelve times based on a single offhand reference


* MisaimedFandom: While Dougherty's motives are ultimately sympathetic, it's rather disconcerting for some that so many fans of the franchise see his plans - i.e., invading an occupied planet, kidnapping the entire population and stealing its resources in a way that will make the planet uninhabitable, and possibly completely destroying whatever made the resource so valuable in the first place - as completely reasonable simply because he has a couple of legal loopholes on his side. Most likely because, other than the ethical issues around the relocation, ''nobody'' in the actual movie even questions his assertion that the plan will actually work, despite the fact it was conceived of by known allies of the Dominion.

to:

* MisaimedFandom: While Dougherty's motives are ultimately sympathetic, it's rather disconcerting for some that so many fans of the franchise see his plans - i.e., invading an occupied planet, kidnapping the entire population and stealing its resources in a way that will make the planet uninhabitable, and possibly completely destroying whatever made the resource so valuable in the first place - as completely reasonable simply because he has a couple of legal loopholes on his side. Most likely because, other than the ethical issues around the relocation, ''nobody'' in the actual movie even questions his assertion that the plan will actually work, despite the fact it was conceived of by known allies of the Dominion.work.

Added: 728

Changed: 357

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* FanPreferredCutContent: Michael Piller's original version is was very different from the final film. Inspired by ''Literature/HeartOfDarkness'', it would have seen Picard tracking down an old academy friend who has allied with the B'aku against the Romulans. His first draft can be found in the unpublished book ''Fade In'' and is widely thought to be better than the actual film.

to:

* FanPreferredCutContent: FanPreferredCutContent:
**
Michael Piller's original version is was very different from the final film. Inspired by ''Literature/HeartOfDarkness'', it would have seen Picard tracking down an old academy friend who has allied with the B'aku against the Romulans. His first draft can be found in the unpublished book ''Fade In'' and is widely thought to be better than the actual film.film.
** The originally-filmed ending, where Ru'afo's escape pod falls into the rings of the planet, exposing him to such a massive dose of the metaphasic radiation that he grows younger and younger until he de-ages out of existence altogether, is considered by many fans to be a more fitting KarmicDeath than the reshot ending, where he's simply blown up with the collector.

Changed: 237

Removed: 132

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* HilariousInHindsight: Creator/BrentSpiner wanted Data killed off, but was overruled. Reportedly, his script came with a note reading "Better luck next time." [[Film/StarTrekNemesis Well...]]
** This is not the last time we will see Creator/DonnaMurphy [[WesternAnimation/{{Tangled}} playing a]] Really700YearsOld character.

to:

* HilariousInHindsight: Creator/BrentSpiner wanted Data killed off, but was overruled. Reportedly, his script came with a note reading "Better luck next time." [[Film/StarTrekNemesis Well...]]
**
This is not the last time we will see Creator/DonnaMurphy [[WesternAnimation/{{Tangled}} playing a]] Really700YearsOld character.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* FanPreferredCutContent: Michael Piller's original version is was very different from the final film. Inspired by ''Literature/HeartOfDarkness'', it would have seen Picard tracking down an old academy friend who has allied with the B'aku against the Romulans. His first draft can be found in the unpublished book ''Fade In'' and is widely thought to be better than the actual film.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* SpecialEffectFailure: ILM didn't come back for this film (in part due to being busy on ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', though Rick Berman said at the time that he wouldn't have hired them anyway, since he felt other FX houses could provide the same quality for cheaper) and the quality of visual effects suffered a major drop as a result. The effects aren't ''terrible'' for the most part, but they were considerably behind even what other film were doing with CGI in 1998.

to:

* SpecialEffectFailure: ILM didn't come back for this film (in part due to being busy on ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', though Rick Berman said at the time that he wouldn't have hired them anyway, since he felt other FX houses houses, in this case franchise regular Creator/SantaBarberaStudios and newcomer Creator/BlueSkyStudios, could provide the same quality for cheaper) and the quality of visual effects suffered a major drop as a result. The effects aren't ''terrible'' for the most part, but they were considerably behind even what other film were doing with CGI in 1998.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** It's also pointed out that the Prime Directive doesn't apply to the Ba'ku, since they are not prewarp (though they choose to live that way) and not indigenous to the planet, and it is not a purely internal matter since the Son'a are involved. But that's textbook LoopholeAbuse, using the letter of the law to defeat the spirit of the law. The letter of the Prime Directive doesn't protect these specific people in this specific instance, but the whole purpose of the Prime Directive is to protect people exactly like this from exactly this sort of exploitation. Much could be raised and debated about when the Prime Directive does and does not apply as opposed to where it ''should'' and ''should not'' apply, but it never is. Instead, with the revelation that Son'a are the Ba'ku, the loophole is closed as it is now a "purely internal matter."

to:

*** It's also pointed out that the Prime Directive doesn't apply to the Ba'ku, since they are not prewarp (though they choose to live that way) and not indigenous to the planet, and it is not a purely internal matter since the Son'a are involved. But that's textbook LoopholeAbuse, using the letter of the law to defeat the spirit of the law. The letter of the Prime Directive doesn't protect these specific people in this specific instance, but the whole purpose of the Prime Directive is to protect people exactly like this from exactly this sort of exploitation. Much could be raised and debated about when the Prime Directive does and does not apply as opposed to where it ''should'' and ''should not'' apply, but apply. It could have been an interesting inversion of the way the Prime Directive usually comes up in ''Star Trek'': instead of finding a reason to break the rule because it never is. would be the morally correct choice, finding a way to apply it where it normally wouldn't because ''that'' is the morally correct choice. Instead, with the revelation that the Son'a are the Ba'ku, the loophole is closed as it is now a "purely internal matter."
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** It's also pointed out that the Prime Directive doesn't apply to the Ba'ku, since they are not prewarp (though they choose to live that way) and not indigenous to the planet, and it is not a purely internal matter since the Son'a are involved. But that's textbook LoopholeAbuse, using the letter of the law to defeat the spirit of the law. The letter of the Prime Directive doesn't protect these specific people in this specific instance, but the whole purpose of the Prime Directive is to protect people exactly like this from exactly this sort of exploitation. Much could be raised and debated about when the Prime Directive does and does not apply as opposed to where it ''should'' and ''should not'' apply, but it never is. Instead, with the revelation that Son'a are the Ba'ku, the loophole is closed as it is now a "purely internal matter."
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Picard has a quasi-midlife crisis and misses exploring. Whether you're a Kirk or Picard fan, most agree that Kirk's StoryArc in his films did it better.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
redlink


** Possibly odd, but different people handle things in different ways. For Worf, this adventure would be another chance to be "like warriors from the ancient sagas", how he viewed the Enterprise. And considering he was in a pissy mood most of the time on DS9 anyway, it's not at all hard to see this as a thrilling vacation.

to:

** Possibly odd, but different people handle things in different ways. For Worf, this adventure would be another chance to be "like warriors from the ancient sagas", how he viewed the Enterprise. And considering he was in a pissy mood most of the time on DS9 [=DS9=] anyway, it's not at all hard to see this as a thrilling vacation.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* UnfortunateImplications: The characters repeatedly refer to the Ba'ku planet as a paradise and the people as perfect. All of the Ba'ku are skinny, have light hair, and are white. Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis even sarcastically point this out in their DVD commentary.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Being like an episode isn't necessarily bad, but Data not bringing his emotion chip and regressing several years in development to have scenes with the kid that occurred years ago on the show is hardly inspiring.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Riker steering the ''Enterprise'' with an obviously [[OffTheShelfFX off-the-shelf joystick]].
** That, coming after Riker requests "Computer: Access manual steering column" and the joystick rises majestically out of the floor!

to:

* ** Riker steering the ''Enterprise'' with an obviously [[OffTheShelfFX off-the-shelf joystick]].
** *** That, coming after Riker requests "Computer: Access manual steering column" and the joystick rises majestically out of the floor!

Added: 227

Changed: 93

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* {{Narm}}: Riker steering the ''Enterprise'' with an obviously [[OffTheShelfFX off-the-shelf joystick]].

to:

* {{Narm}}: {{Narm}}:
*
Riker steering the ''Enterprise'' with an obviously [[OffTheShelfFX off-the-shelf joystick]].joystick]].
** That, coming after Riker requests "Computer: Access manual steering column" and the joystick rises majestically out of the floor!
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Possibly odd, but different people handle things in different ways. For Worf, this adventure would be another chance to be "like warriors from the ancient sagas", how he viewed the Enterprise. And considering he was in a pissy mood most of the time on DS9 anyway, it's not at all hard to see this as a thrilling vacation.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* AngstWhatAngst: At the point where Worf is at in his ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' arc, he's just become a widow due to the death of Jadzia Dax and would still be in the grieving process in the subsequent season. The lack of acknowledgement on this was the result of [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] ExecutiveMeddling, as the sixth season of [=DS9=] hadn't aired in the UK yet, meaning Jadzia's death would've been a spoiler for international audiences. Still, the fact that Worf does not seem even slightly despondent throughout the film is very odd.

to:

* AngstWhatAngst: At the point where Worf is at in his ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' arc, he's just become a widow due to the death of Jadzia Dax and would still be in the grieving process in the subsequent season. The lack of acknowledgement on this was the result of [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] justified ExecutiveMeddling, as the sixth season of [=DS9=] hadn't aired in the UK yet, meaning Jadzia's death would've been a spoiler for international audiences. Still, the fact that Worf does not seem even slightly despondent throughout the film is very odd.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Misuse


* MarySueTopia: The Bak'u, who live on a planet with fountain-of-youth powers and espouse a technology-free society. They still use all pre-industrial technology though, making them not as "[[YouKeepUsingThatWord primitive]]" as they'd like to claim.

to:

* MarySueTopia: The Bak'u, who live on a planet with fountain-of-youth powers and espouse a technology-free society. They still use all pre-industrial technology though, making them not as "[[YouKeepUsingThatWord primitive]]" "primitive" as they'd like to claim.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** This is not the last time we will see Creator/DonnaMurphy [[WesternAnimation/{{Tangled}} playing a]] Really700YearsOld character.

Top