History YMMV / StarTrekInsurrection

7th Feb '16 6:39:56 PM SithkingZero
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** The concept of using one of the most iconic technologies in Star Trek, the ''Transporter'', to simply beam Data to a secure location once he starts going crazy would have prevented the entire plot from happening.
16th Dec '15 12:58:27 PM Clessus
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**** This is just hair splitting. On the other hand, Dougherty's actions were intended to acquire life-saving technology which would have saved billions of people during a massive war for the federation's survival, whereas Picard's were intended to appease a morally repulsive dictatorship which had no desire for peace with the Federation and which they immediately violated by basically committing genocide on the remaining inhabitants (Picard did nothing about this). And the fact remains that none of the arguments presented by Picard in this movie do not apply equally to his own previous actions.
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**** This is just hair splitting. On the other hand, Dougherty's actions were intended to acquire life-saving technology which would have saved billions of people during a massive war for the federation's survival, whereas Picard's were intended to appease a morally repulsive dictatorship which had no desire for peace with the Federation and which they immediately violated by basically committing genocide on the remaining inhabitants (Picard did nothing about this).this, and in fact took the side ''against'' them). And the fact remains that none of the arguments presented by Picard in this movie do not apply equally to his own previous actions.
16th Dec '15 10:11:03 AM Clessus
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**** This is just hair splitting. On the other hand, Dougherty's actions were intended to acquire life-saving technology which would have saved billions of people during a massive war for the federation's survival, whereas Picard's were intended to appease a morally repulsive dictatorship which had no desire for peace with the Federation and which they immediately violated (Picard did nothing about this). And the fact remains that none of the arguments presented by Picard in this movie do not apply equally to his own previous actions.
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**** This is just hair splitting. On the other hand, Dougherty's actions were intended to acquire life-saving technology which would have saved billions of people during a massive war for the federation's survival, whereas Picard's were intended to appease a morally repulsive dictatorship which had no desire for peace with the Federation and which they immediately violated by basically committing genocide on the remaining inhabitants (Picard did nothing about this). And the fact remains that none of the arguments presented by Picard in this movie do not apply equally to his own previous actions.
16th Dec '15 10:10:36 AM Clessus
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**** This is just hair splitting. On the other hand, Dougherty's actions were intended to acquire life-saving technology which would have saved billions of people during a massive war for the federation's survival, whereas Picard's were intended to appease a morally repulsive dictatorship which had no desire for peace with the Federation and which they immediately violated (Picard did nothing about this). And the fact remains that none of the arguments presented by Picard in this movie do not apply equally to his own previous actions.
30th Nov '15 4:37:12 AM jormis29
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* DesignatedHero: The Bak'u. The movie perches how perfect they and we're supposed to draw parallels between them and native Americans that endured genocide from the US government, but as pointed out below, they are hogging the planet's radiation that could save billions of lives just because they don't want to be inconvenienced. And, as pointed out by Website/SFDebris, the only reason for the forced relocation is that if Starfleet and the Son'a went to them honestly and ask for their cooperation and they refused, choosing immortality over helping save countless lives, then they would have become the villains of the story.
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* DesignatedHero: The Bak'u. The movie perches how perfect they and we're supposed to draw parallels between them and native Americans that endured genocide from the US government, but as pointed out below, they are hogging the planet's radiation that could save billions of lives just because they don't want to be inconvenienced. And, as pointed out by Website/SFDebris, WebSite/SFDebris, the only reason for the forced relocation is that if Starfleet and the Son'a went to them honestly and ask for their cooperation and they refused, choosing immortality over helping save countless lives, then they would have become the villains of the story.

* MarySueTopia: The Bak'u, who live on a planet with fountain-of-youth powers and espouse a technology-free society. They still use all pre-industrial technology though, making them not as "[[YouKeepUsingThatWord primitive]]" as they'd like to claim. WebOriginal/SFDebris tore them apart in his review, pointing out how improbably clean and orderly everything and everyone is, especially since our modern standards of cleanliness are derived from technological advancements.
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* MarySueTopia: The Bak'u, who live on a planet with fountain-of-youth powers and espouse a technology-free society. They still use all pre-industrial technology though, making them not as "[[YouKeepUsingThatWord primitive]]" as they'd like to claim. WebOriginal/SFDebris WebSite/SFDebris tore them apart in his review, pointing out how improbably clean and orderly everything and everyone is, especially since our modern standards of cleanliness are derived from technological advancements.
28th Oct '15 10:49:08 AM Lavanya_Six
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* ExecutiveMeddling: A complicated example. Michael Piller preserved the script's notes, intending to write a book illustrating the complicated process of scriptwriting for young and aspiring writers, but Paramount torpedoed the ''official'' publication before Piller's untimely death. ** The critiques from Paramount executives show a nuanced insight into Star Trek's lore, with some members, as well as Patrick Stewart himself, citing specific [=TNG=] episodes by name in their complaints about Piller retreading old character beats, and pushed him to be more original. At the same time, while initially supportive of the original HeartOfDarkness meets DoctorZhivago plot, Paramount grew jittery over the idea of adding grey overtones to the Federation's morality. Both because of the potential for negative fan reaction and because they themselves felt uncomfortable needling Gene Roddenberry's creation. Eventually they replaced a utilitarian Vulcan [=UFP=] President, who took "The Needs of the Many..." to its extreme, with the rogue Admiral Dougherty and Son'a. ** Rick Bermen ordered a major action beat featuring a cave fight to be deleted, after seeing a trailer for 1997's ''Titantic''. Realizing that ''Insurrection'' didn't have anywhere near the budget to do (comparable) justice to the water effects involved in said cave fight, Bermen wanted to avoid a comparison that would have audiences judging the film to be cheap.
25th Oct '15 2:47:50 PM Chubzhac
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* DesignatedHero: The Bak'u. The movie perches how perfect they and we're supposed to draw parallels between them and native Americans that endured genocide from the US government, but as pointed out below, they are hogging the planet's radiation that could save billions of lives just because they don't want to be inconvenienced.
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* DesignatedHero: The Bak'u. The movie perches how perfect they and we're supposed to draw parallels between them and native Americans that endured genocide from the US government, but as pointed out below, they are hogging the planet's radiation that could save billions of lives just because they don't want to be inconvenienced. And, as pointed out by Website/SFDebris, the only reason for the forced relocation is that if Starfleet and the Son'a went to them honestly and ask for their cooperation and they refused, choosing immortality over helping save countless lives, then they would have become the villains of the story.
20th Jul '15 7:41:50 PM ImpudentInfidel
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Conversation on the main page; second part showed first part false.
** Given how worn down and tired the entire crew occasionally seems in ''Nemesis'', withdrawal actually might explain ''a lot.'' Of course, they are also all older than the original series' crew was when they ''retired''. *** that last point is patently untrue, both in-universe[[note]]Worf wasn't even ''forty'' yet in ''Nemesis'', whereas the TOS crew were almost all in their 60s at the time of ''Undiscovered Country''[[/note]] and out[[note]]Levar Burton was 45 in 2002, ten years younger than Walter Koenig was in 1991[[/note]]
10th Jun '15 9:37:53 AM dangerdan97
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*** that last point is patently untrue, both in-universe[[note]]Worf wasn't even ''forty'' yet in ''Nemesis'', whereas the TOS crew were almost all in their 60s at the time of ''Undiscovered Country''[[/note]] and out[[note]]Levar Burton was 45 in 2002, ten years younger than Walter Koenig was in 1991[[/note]]
15th Mar '15 9:18:49 PM AdamC
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*** Though this ignores the point that a significant number of the Ba'ku ''were'' born on the planet.
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*** Though this ignores the point that a significant number of the Ba'ku ''were'' born on the planet.planet.... Though by that logic ''all'' of the Son'a were ''also'' born on the planet and were forced to leave by the Bak'u due to ideological differences.
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