History YMMV / StarTrekInsurrection

9th Nov '16 9:54:32 AM nombretomado
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** Few people can deny that this is one of JerryGoldsmith's best soundtracks in the franchise.

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** Few people can deny that this is one of JerryGoldsmith's Music/JerryGoldsmith's best soundtracks in the franchise.
1st Nov '16 4:43:31 PM Grobi
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-->'''Dougherty:''' They are not indigenous to this world, they were ''never'' meant to be ''immortal''!

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-->'''Dougherty:''' --->'''Dougherty:''' They are not indigenous to this world, they were ''never'' meant to be ''immortal''!
9th Jul '16 11:54:42 AM ImpudentInfidel
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* MisaimedFandom: While Dougherty's motives are ultimately sympathetic, it's rather disconcerting for some that so many fans of the franchise see his plans - i.e., invading an occupied planet, kidnapping the entire population and stealing its resources in a way that will make the planet uninhabitable, and possibly completely destroying whatever made the resource so valuable in the first place - as completely reasonable simply because he has a couple of legal loopholes on his side.

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* MisaimedFandom: While Dougherty's motives are ultimately sympathetic, it's rather disconcerting for some that so many fans of the franchise see his plans - i.e., invading an occupied planet, kidnapping the entire population and stealing its resources in a way that will make the planet uninhabitable, and possibly completely destroying whatever made the resource so valuable in the first place - as completely reasonable simply because he has a couple of legal loopholes on his side. Most likely because, other than the ethical issues around the relocation, ''nobody'' in the actual movie even questions his assertian that the plan will work and save ''billions''.
1st Jul '16 3:43:01 PM MagBas
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* UnfortunateImplications: The Ba'ku are presented as having a culture akin to a paradise...and all of its members are white.
28th Jun '16 6:12:41 PM SPBurke
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* UnfortunateImplications: The Ba'ku are presented as having a culture akin to a paradise...and all of its members are white.
10th Apr '16 12:35:58 AM Anicomicgeek
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* ExecutiveMeddling: A complicated example. Michael Piller preserved the script's notes, intending to write a book illustrating the complicated process of scriptwriting for young and aspiring writers, but Paramount torpedoed the ''official'' publication before Piller's untimely death.
** The critiques from Paramount executives show a nuanced insight into Star Trek's lore, with some members, as well as Patrick Stewart himself, citing specific [=TNG=] episodes by name in their complaints about Piller retreading old character beats, and pushed him to be more original. At the same time, while initially supportive of the original HeartOfDarkness meets DoctorZhivago plot, Paramount grew jittery over the idea of adding grey overtones to the Federation's morality. Both because of the potential for negative fan reaction and because they themselves felt uncomfortable needling Gene Roddenberry's creation. Eventually they replaced a utilitarian Vulcan [=UFP=] President, who took "The Needs of the Many..." to its extreme, with the rogue Admiral Dougherty and Son'a.
** Rick Bermen ordered a major action beat featuring a cave fight to be deleted, after seeing a trailer for 1997's ''Titantic''. Realizing that ''Insurrection'' didn't have anywhere near the budget to do (comparable) justice to the water effects involved in said cave fight, Bermen wanted to avoid a comparison that would have audiences judging the film to be cheap.
7th Feb '16 6:39:56 PM SithkingZero
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** The concept of using one of the most iconic technologies in Star Trek, the ''Transporter'', to simply beam Data to a secure location once he starts going crazy would have prevented the entire plot from happening.
16th Dec '15 12:58:27 PM Clessus
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**** This is just hair splitting. On the other hand, Dougherty's actions were intended to acquire life-saving technology which would have saved billions of people during a massive war for the federation's survival, whereas Picard's were intended to appease a morally repulsive dictatorship which had no desire for peace with the Federation and which they immediately violated by basically committing genocide on the remaining inhabitants (Picard did nothing about this). And the fact remains that none of the arguments presented by Picard in this movie do not apply equally to his own previous actions.

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**** This is just hair splitting. On the other hand, Dougherty's actions were intended to acquire life-saving technology which would have saved billions of people during a massive war for the federation's survival, whereas Picard's were intended to appease a morally repulsive dictatorship which had no desire for peace with the Federation and which they immediately violated by basically committing genocide on the remaining inhabitants (Picard did nothing about this).this, and in fact took the side ''against'' them). And the fact remains that none of the arguments presented by Picard in this movie do not apply equally to his own previous actions.
16th Dec '15 10:11:03 AM Clessus
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**** This is just hair splitting. On the other hand, Dougherty's actions were intended to acquire life-saving technology which would have saved billions of people during a massive war for the federation's survival, whereas Picard's were intended to appease a morally repulsive dictatorship which had no desire for peace with the Federation and which they immediately violated (Picard did nothing about this). And the fact remains that none of the arguments presented by Picard in this movie do not apply equally to his own previous actions.

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**** This is just hair splitting. On the other hand, Dougherty's actions were intended to acquire life-saving technology which would have saved billions of people during a massive war for the federation's survival, whereas Picard's were intended to appease a morally repulsive dictatorship which had no desire for peace with the Federation and which they immediately violated by basically committing genocide on the remaining inhabitants (Picard did nothing about this). And the fact remains that none of the arguments presented by Picard in this movie do not apply equally to his own previous actions.
16th Dec '15 10:10:36 AM Clessus
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**** This is just hair splitting. On the other hand, Dougherty's actions were intended to acquire life-saving technology which would have saved billions of people during a massive war for the federation's survival, whereas Picard's were intended to appease a morally repulsive dictatorship which had no desire for peace with the Federation and which they immediately violated (Picard did nothing about this). And the fact remains that none of the arguments presented by Picard in this movie do not apply equally to his own previous actions.
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