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* MemeticBadass: Brithos, Talos /[[spoiler: Kleidimos]], Kritolaos, Karas, Leonidas, Aristarkhos etc. Almost every male character falls into this trope.
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** Some found the [[spoiler: ending]] to be melodramatic. See BrokenBase above.
** Some found the [[spoiler: ending]] to be melodramatic. See BrokenBase above.
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**{{Narm}}: Some found the [[spoiler: ending]] to be melodramatic. See BrokenBase above.
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* AnticlimaxBoss: Pausanias. All it took to finish this guy [[spoiler: was locking him to a temple and let him starve to death]].
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* AnticlimaxBoss: Pausanias. All it took to finish be done this guy [[spoiler: was locking him to a temple and let him starve to death]].
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* ClicheStorm: Let's see. We have the Nervous Protagonist who thinks he is not suited for the job, but he only has to believe in himself, the Old Mentor who trains him, [[spoiler: the TragicMentorDeath]], TheHero teaming up with the Arrogant Dude who is strong, and the list goes on...
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* ClicheStorm: Let's see. We have the Nervous Protagonist who thinks he is not suited for the job, but he only has to believe in himself, the Old Mentor who trains him, [[spoiler: [[InTheEndYouAreOnYourOwn the TragicMentorDeath]], Tragic Mentor Death]]]], TheHero teaming up with the Arrogant Dude who is strong, and the list goes on...
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Kleidimos and his mother's relationship would be interesting to see. Unfortunately, [[spoiler: she DiesInHisHands]].
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Kleidimos and his mother's relationship would be interesting to see. Unfortunately, [[spoiler: [[DiedInYourArmsTonight she DiesInHisHands]].dies at his hands]]]].
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** Aristarkhos and Ismene from the Kleomenides family. Firstly, they have to abandon their second son because he was bron cripple. Secondly,they find out that he survived, but their first son has a huge dislike on him and wants to kill him. Thirdly, [[spoiler: the Ephors plan to kill them and they send both the father and the son on a mission where they will be no survivors]]. Brithos counts too (see JerkassWoobie above).
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** Aristarkhos and Ismene from the Kleomenides family. Firstly, they have to abandon their second son because he was bron born cripple. Secondly,they Secondly, they find out that he survived, but their first son has a huge dislike on him and wants to kill him. Thirdly, [[spoiler: the Ephors plan to kill them and they send both the father and the son on a mission where they will be no survivors]]. Brithos counts too (see JerkassWoobie above).
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* WoobieFamily:
** Antinea and Pelias. They are poor and they haveto work long hours to live. Antinea is even in a worse position, since she is sexually harassed by the Spartan boys. It's really sad, and what makes it worse, is that Pelias knows exactly what's going on, but he cannot do anything, fearing the range of his masters.
** Aristarkhos and Ismene from the Kleomenides family. Firstly, they have to abandon their second son because he was bron cripple. Secondly,they find out that he survived, but their first son has a huge dislike on him and wants to kill him. Thirdly, [[spoiler: the Ephors plan to kill them and they send both the father and the son on a mission where they will be no survivors]]. Brithos counts too (see JerkassWoobie above).
** Antinea and Pelias. They are poor and they haveto work long hours to live. Antinea is even in a worse position, since she is sexually harassed by the Spartan boys. It's really sad, and what makes it worse, is that Pelias knows exactly what's going on, but he cannot do anything, fearing the range of his masters.
** Aristarkhos and Ismene from the Kleomenides family. Firstly, they have to abandon their second son because he was bron cripple. Secondly,they find out that he survived, but their first son has a huge dislike on him and wants to kill him. Thirdly, [[spoiler: the Ephors plan to kill them and they send both the father and the son on a mission where they will be no survivors]]. Brithos counts too (see JerkassWoobie above).
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* JerkassWoobie: Brithos and Agias. Yeah, they were arrogant (and probably, rapists to some point), but you can't help but feel sorry for them for bing accused for something they have never done. Especially to the latter, since [[spoiler: he never retrieved his glory]].
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* JerkassWoobie: Brithos and Agias. Yeah, they were arrogant (and probably, rapists to some point), but you can't help but feel sorry for them for bing accused for something they have never haven't done. Especially to the latter, since [[spoiler: he never retrieved his glory]].
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Kleidimos and his mother's relationship would be interesting to see. Unfortunately, [[spoiler: she DiesInHisHands]].
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* [[JustForFun/SurprisinglySimilarStories CounterpartComparison]]: There are some who have noticed that Talos' story is similar to Moses, but in reverse. Where Moses was abandoned by a SlaveRace family, Talos was abandoned by a MasterRace family and he was MadeASlave. Both were unaware of their true identities, because their adoptive families never told them the truth for various reasons. When they find out, there's much dilemma on which path to follow, but in the end, [[spoiler: they choose to free the SlaveRace]].
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* [[JustForFun/SurprisinglySimilarStories CounterpartComparison]]: Counterpart Comparison]]: There are some who have noticed that Talos' story is similar to Moses, but in reverse. Where Moses was abandoned by a SlaveRace family, Talos was abandoned by a MasterRace family and he was MadeASlave. Both were unaware of their true identities, because their adoptive families never told them the truth for various reasons. When they find out, there's much dilemma on which path to follow, but in the end, [[spoiler: they choose to free the SlaveRace]].
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* CounterpartComparison: There are some who have noticed that Talos' story is similar to Moses, but in reverse. Where Moses was abandoned by a SlaveRace family, Talos was abandoned by a MasterRace family and he was MadeASlave. Both were unaware of their true identities, because their adoptive families never told them the truth for various reasons. When they find out, there's much dilemma on which path to follow, but in the end, [[spoiler: they choose to free the SlaveRace]].
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* CounterpartComparison: [[JustForFun/SurprisinglySimilarStories CounterpartComparison]]: There are some who have noticed that Talos' story is similar to Moses, but in reverse. Where Moses was abandoned by a SlaveRace family, Talos was abandoned by a MasterRace family and he was MadeASlave. Both were unaware of their true identities, because their adoptive families never told them the truth for various reasons. When they find out, there's much dilemma on which path to follow, but in the end, [[spoiler: they choose to free the SlaveRace]].
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* CounterpartComparison: There are some who have noticed that Talos' story is similar to Moses, but in reverse. Where Moses was abandoned by a SlaveRace family, Talos was abandoned by a MasterRace family and he was MadeASlave. Both were unaware of their true identities, because their adoptive families never told them the truth for various reasons. When they find out, there's much dilemma on which path to follow, but in the end, [[spoiler: they choose to free the SlaveRace]].
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* CounterpartComparison: There are some who have noticed that Talos' story is similar to Moses, but in reverse. Where Moses was abandoned by a SlaveRace family, Talos was abandoned by a MasterRace family and he was MadeASlave. Both were unaware of their true identities, because their adoptive families never told them the truth for various reasons. When thwy find out, they are in a dilemma on which path to follow, but at the end, [[spoiler: they choose to free the SlaveRace]].
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** Britos' character is pretty much DoomedByCanon, as his RealLife counterpart indeed died at Platea. It was still a great waste that he died before Talos was confirmed to be his brother, [[spoiler: instead of just starting to suspect it]]. That would have peaked his redemption arc.
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King Pausanias didn't turn against Sparta exactly for food. He was doing it because he saw the Spartan ways as obsolete and the Ephors as too powerful and corrupt (they did in fact get away with sending two kings and a noble house to death without repercussions). The point is that his idolizing Persian culture made him unpopular and easy to get rid of.
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** The reason why Pausanias turned against Greece? [[spoiler: [[BizzareTasteInFood Because he liked the Persian cuisine more than the Spartan one]]]].
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This trope is not appropriate. While the hero does have many things in common with Moses, it is an inverted situation as he's raised by slaves while he's a noble. Also this is made to create an archetypical hero, not because the author didn't have ideas.
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* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: There are some who have noticed that Talos' story is similar to Moses, but in reverse. Where Moses was abandoned by a SlaveRace family, Talos was abandoned by a MasterRace family and he was MadeASlave. Both were unaware of their true identities, because their adoptive families never told them the truth for various reasons. When thwy find out, they are in a dilemma on which path to follow, but at the end, [[spoiler: they choose to free the SlaveRace]].
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* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: CounterpartComparison: There are some who have noticed that Talos' story is similar to Moses, but in reverse. Where Moses was abandoned by a SlaveRace family, Talos was abandoned by a MasterRace family and he was MadeASlave. Both were unaware of their true identities, because their adoptive families never told them the truth for various reasons. When thwy find out, they are in a dilemma on which path to follow, but at the end, [[spoiler: they choose to free the SlaveRace]].
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Unless some major critics have depicted the book as such, this is not really the case. It has mixed reviews in Good Reads
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* SoOkayItsAverage: The general reaction of the book.
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* MomentOfAwesome: Talos' training with his grandpa paid off! He managed to stand up and beat several Spartan boys in order to protect Antinea! Keep in mind that they do nothing but being all day in the gym. So, don't let his disability fool you! He is as skilled as a warrior!
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* MomentOfAwesome: SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: Talos' training with his grandpa paid off! He managed to stand up and beat several Spartan boys in order to protect Antinea! Keep in mind that they do nothing but being all day in the gym. So, don't let his disability fool you! He is as skilled as a warrior!
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Laghal. He seemed to have plenty of potential and he would work as a {{Foil}} to Kleidimos. But after he [[spoiler: betrays Pausanias]], he disappears and we never find out what happened to him.
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* MomentOfAwesome: Talos' training with his grandpa paid off! He managed to stand up and beat several Spartan boys in order to protect Antinea! Keep in mind that they do nothing but being all day in the gym. So, don't let his disability fool you! He is as skilled as a warrior!
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** Karas and Talos follow Brithos. Seeing him ready to [[spoiler: stab himself]], Karas smashes him with his punch. We have this exchange:
--> '''Talos''': Karas! I told you to black him out! Not to kill him!
--> '''Karas''': The problem is that they don't make them as tough as the good old ones!
** Karas and Talos follow Brithos. Seeing him ready to [[spoiler: stab himself]], Karas smashes him with his punch. We have this exchange:
--> '''Talos''': Karas! I told you to black him out! Not to kill him!
--> '''Karas''': The problem is that they don't make them as tough as the good old ones!
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** Agias' [[spoiler: death]]. It was so painful to Brithos that [[spoiler: he also tried to commit suicide! Thanks God, Talos and Karas rescued him]].
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* ClicheStorm: Let's see. We have the Nervous Protagonist who thinks he is not suited for the job, but he only has to believe in himself, the Old Mentor who trains him, [[spoiler: the TragicMentorDeath]], TheHero teaming up with the Arrogant Dude who is strong, and the list goes on...
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** The reason why Pausanias turned against Greece? [[spoiler: [[BizzareTasteInFood Because he like the Persian cuisine more than the Spartan one]]]].
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** The reason why Pausanias turned against Greece? [[spoiler: [[BizzareTasteInFood Because he like liked the Persian cuisine more than the Spartan one]]]].
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* SoOkayItsAverage: The general reaction of the book.
* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: There are some who have noticed that Talos' story is similar to Moses, but in reverse. Where Moses was abandoned by a SlaveRace family, Talos was abandoned by a MasterRace family and he was MadeASlave. Both were unaware of their true identities, because their adoptive families never told them the truth for various reasons. When thwy find out, they are in a dilemma on which path to follow, but at the end, [[spoiler: they choose to free the SlaveRace]].
* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: There are some who have noticed that Talos' story is similar to Moses, but in reverse. Where Moses was abandoned by a SlaveRace family, Talos was abandoned by a MasterRace family and he was MadeASlave. Both were unaware of their true identities, because their adoptive families never told them the truth for various reasons. When thwy find out, they are in a dilemma on which path to follow, but at the end, [[spoiler: they choose to free the SlaveRace]].
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* ArcFatigue: After the climax of Talos' [[spoiler: finding out he's a Spartan at Brithos funeral]], many readers felt the Laghal and Pausanias subplot to be rather blunt. Still the last chapters with the SlaveRevolt is [[WinBackTheCrowd awesome to read]].
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* ArcFatigue: After the climax of Talos' [[spoiler: finding out he's a Spartan at Brithos funeral]], many readers felt the Laghal and Pausanias subplot to be rather blunt. Still [[spoiler: the last chapters with the SlaveRevolt is [[WinBackTheCrowd awesome to read]].read]]]].
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* HarsherInHindsight: Laghal and Pausanias' relationship was already disgusting. It's even worse when you know that [[LoverAndBeloved it was very common]] back then.
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** Some found the [[spoiler: ending]] to be melodramatic. See BrokenBase above.
** The reason why Pausanias turned against Greece? [[spoiler: [[BizzareTasteInFood Because he like the Persian cuisine more than the Spartan one]]]].
** Some found the [[spoiler: ending]] to be melodramatic. See BrokenBase above.
** The reason why Pausanias turned against Greece? [[spoiler: [[BizzareTasteInFood Because he like the Persian cuisine more than the Spartan one]]]].
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** The beginning of the first chapter. We see Aristarkhos hesitating to abandon his newborn son, but at the end, he obeys the city's law. It's clearly that he loathes this decision.
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* ArcFatigue: After the climax of Talos' [[spoiler: finding out he's a Spartan at Brithos funeral]], many readers felt the Laghal and Pausanias subplot to be rather blunt. Still the last chapters with the SlaveRevolt is [[WinBackTheCrowd awesome to read]].
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* SecondArcFatigue: After the climax of Talos' [[spoiler: finding out he's a Spartan at Brithos funeral]], many readers felt the Laghal and Pausanias subplot to be rather blunt. Still the last chapters with the SlaveRevolt is [[WinBackTheCrowd awesome to read]].
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Turns out Doomed by Canon is better, also I would list him under Foregone Conclusion
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* DoomedByHistory: If you know Ancient History and Spartas' way of life, then you have figured 80% of the story.
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* DoomedByHistory: DoomedByCanon: If you know Ancient History and Spartas' way of life, then you have figured 80% of the story.
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* BrokenBase: The ending was highly divisive among readers who taught it was too depressive [[spoiler: seeing Talos mysteriously disappearing right when his people are free and he can reunite with Antinea and their son]]. On the other side some found it was fitting for an epic novel [[spoiler: with TheHero disappearing after fulfilling his destiny like most of the ShroudedInMyth heroes]].
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* BrokenBase: The ending was highly divisive among readers who taught thought it was too depressive [[spoiler: seeing Talos mysteriously disappearing right when his people are free and he can reunite with Antinea and their son]]. On the other side some found it was fitting for an epic novel [[spoiler: with TheHero disappearing after fulfilling his destiny like most of the ShroudedInMyth heroes]].
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Doomed By History is the trope who describes a plot being already spoiled by Real Life history. I.e.: Leonidas dies at the Thermopylae, or Alexander the Great conquers Persia.
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* CommonKnowledge: If you know Ancient History and Spartas' way of life, then you have figured 80% of the story.
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* AnticlimaxBoss: Pausanias. All it took to finish this guy [[spoiler: was locking him to a temple and let him starve to death]].
* BadassDecay: The Spartans, thanks to [[spoiler: the Earthquake]], which as a result, decreased their population.
* BadassDecay: The Spartans, thanks to [[spoiler: the Earthquake]], which as a result, decreased their population.
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* CommonKnowledge: If you know Ancient History and Spartas' way of life, then you have figured 80% of the story.
* FandomRivalry /FriendlyFandoms: With Literature/GatesOfFire. Both depict realistically the Spartan life, both have a protagonist who is slave and has a problem with his feet and both take part at the exact same period. Then again, the few ones who have read both of this books and like them, say that Literature/GatesOfFire is better.
* JerkassWoobie: Brithos and Agias. Yeah, they were arrogant (and probably, rapists to some point), but you can't help but feel sorry for them for bing accused for something they have never done. Especially to the latter, since [[spoiler: he never retrieved his glory]].
* FandomRivalry /FriendlyFandoms: With Literature/GatesOfFire. Both depict realistically the Spartan life, both have a protagonist who is slave and has a problem with his feet and both take part at the exact same period. Then again, the few ones who have read both of this books and like them, say that Literature/GatesOfFire is better.
* JerkassWoobie: Brithos and Agias. Yeah, they were arrogant (and probably, rapists to some point), but you can't help but feel sorry for them for bing accused for something they have never done. Especially to the latter, since [[spoiler: he never retrieved his glory]].
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* BrokenBase: The ending was highly divisive among readers who taught it was too depressive [[spoiler: seeing Talos mysteriously right when his people are free and he can reunite with Antinea and their son]]. In On the other side some found it was fitting for an epic novel [[spoiler: with TheHero disappearing after fulfilling his destiny like most of the ShroudedInMyth heroes]].
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* TearJerker:
** Talos [[spoiler: reuniting with his biological mother. He was before imagining his real parents abandoning him with little regret, but actually they were scarred for life by the experience and his mother dies in his arms by a stroke for the happiness of seeing him.]]
** Brithos' SuicideByCop. He [[IronicEcho repeats Talos]] his ArmorPiercingQuestion, that means he feels worthless if he's not fulfilling his destiny as warrior.
** Talos [[spoiler: reuniting with his biological mother. He was before imagining his real parents abandoning him with little regret, but actually they were scarred for life by the experience and his mother dies in his arms by a stroke for the happiness of seeing him.]]
** Brithos' SuicideByCop. He [[IronicEcho repeats Talos]] his ArmorPiercingQuestion, that means he feels worthless if he's not fulfilling his destiny as warrior.
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* {{Squick}}: Laghal and Pausanias were in a sexual relationship. Keep in mind that Laghal was probably 16 years old and Pausanias was described to be pretty old at that times.
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* {{Squick}}: Laghal and Pausanias were in a sexual relationship. Keep in mind that Laghal was probably 16 years old and Pausanias was described to be pretty old at that times.
!!! The movie:
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Creator/ClarkGregg plays a government agent in a suit four years before he would do the same as Agent Coulson in Film/IronMan.
