History YMMV / SiskelAndEbert

*** Roughly a year before this, just as [[FanNickname the Bens]] were getting started, Roger actually published a column relaying the general rules and ethics for film criticism (seen [[http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009/11/post.html here]]). Commentators were quick to point out that the timing of this seemed to be a subtle TakeThat to Lyons, something that Ebert's eventual examination (seen above) seemed to all but confirm.

* EightPointEight: Gave two thumbs up to Speed 2: Cruise Control, regarded as one of the worst films of all time. Ebert also gave one star to BlueVelvet, which was voted by EntertainmentWeekly as the best movie of the 1980's.

* 8.8: Gave two thumbs up to Speed 2: Cruise Control, regarded as one of the worst films of all time. Ebert also gave one star to BlueVelvet, which was voted by EntertainmentWeekly as the best movie of the 1980's.

*** 6) Lyons' qualifications in particular were questioned, as he was in his 20s (as well as a regular correspondent on E!News) and some viewers may have found that he lacked the same understanding of film that his predecessors shared. His negative review of SynecdocheNewYork earned scorn from Adam Kempenaar (of the Chicago radio program "Filmspotting"), who reflected that Lyons hadn't taken the time to register what the film was actually attempting to say, but rather that the film was difficult overall. Mankiewicz himself averted this, as he's a regular contributor to Turner Classic Movies and descendant of Herman and Joseph Mankiewicz (each of whom were Oscar-winners for writing CitizenKane and directing AllAboutEve, respectively), and actually showed himself to be rather knowledgeable about the films they were reviewing.

*** 3) It's adjustment leading to the destruction of the old Siskel and Ebert set, something Roger only found out afterwards, enraging him to no end.

* EvenBetterSequel: One could argue that, in comparison to Ebert and Roeper, Roeper's reviews with guest critics (ESPECIALLY A.O. Scott and eventual regular Michael Phillips) produced some great camaraderie that may have surpassed his chemistry with Ebert. One could attribute this to the fact that Roeper's energy complemented critics around his age group more than Ebert (who was roughly 20 years his senior). Roeper and Ebert could view films with different mindsets, given how the latter has listed his favorite film as CitizenKane, while the former enjoys the broader FerrisBuellersDayOff (conversely, Gene mentioned in a review that his favorite was probably DrStrangelove).

* EvenBetterSequel: One could argue that, in comparison to Ebert and Roeper, Roeper's reviews with guest critics (ESPECIALLY A.O. Scott and eventual regular Michael Phillips) produced some great camaraderie that may have surpassed his chemistry with Ebert. One could attribute this to the fact that Roeper's energy complemented critics around his age group more than Ebert (who was roughly 20 years his senior). As WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic pointed out, Roeper and Ebert could view films with different mindsets, given how the latter has listed his favorite film as CitizenKane, while the former enjoys the broader FerrisBuellersDayOff (conversely, Gene mentioned in a review that his favorite was probably DrStrangelove).

* EvenBetterSequel: One could argue that, in comparison to Ebert and Roeper, Roeper's reviews with guest critics (ESPECIALLY A.O. Scott and eventual regular Michael Phillips) produced some great camaraderie that may have surpassed his chemistry with Ebert. One could attribute this to the fact that Roeper's energy complemented critics around his age group more than Ebert (who was roughly 20 years his senior). As [[ThatGuyWithTheGlasses The Nostalgia Critic]] pointed out, Roeper and Ebert could view films with different mindsets, given how the latter has listed his favorite film as CitizenKane, while the former enjoys the broader FerrisBuellersDayOff (conversely, Gene mentioned in a review that his favorite was probably DrStrangelove).

* EvenBetterSequel: One could argue that, in comparison to Ebert and Roeper, Roeper's reviews with guest critics (ESPECIALLY A.O. Scott and eventual regular Michael Phillips) produced some great camaraderie that may have even surpassed his chemistry with Ebert. One could attribute this to the fact that Roeper conversed more with critics around his age group, allowing for less of a generational gap to exist in reviews like there might have been in his earlier years with Roger (who was roughly 20 years his senior). As [[ThatGuyWithTheGlasses The Nostalgia Critic]] pointed out, Roeper and Ebert could have been seen as having slightly different mindsets, given how the latter has listed his favorite film as CitizenKane, while the former enjoys the broader FerrisBuellersDayOff (conversely, Gene mentioned in a review that his favorite was probably DrStrangelove).

** A multitude of reasons explaining the hate of the Mankiewicz/Lyons era have include:

* AnimationAgeGhetto: Siskel and Ebert seemed to go back and forth on this, Ebert even debunking it during his review of ''WesternAnimation/Ratatouille''. But then again they fell into the ghetto with their review of ''WesternAnimation/AnAmericanTail'' where Ebert insisted that kids can't handle a movie filled with pathos.

* AnimationAgeGhetto: Siskel and Ebert seemed to go back and forth on this.

*** 6) Lyons' qualifications in particular were questioned, as he was in his 20s (as well as a regular correspondent on E!News) and some viewers may have found that he lacked the same understanding of film that his predecessors shared. His negative review of SynecdocheNewYork earned scorn from Adam Kempenaar (of the Chicago radio program "Filmspotting"), who reflected that Lyons hadn't taken the time to register what the film was actually attempting to say, but rather that the film was difficult overall. Mankiewicz may have averted this slightly, as he was (and still is, as of 2013) a regular contributor to Turner Classic Movies and descendant of Herman and Joseph Mankiewicz (each of whom were Oscar-winners for writing CitizenKane and directing AllAboutEve, respectively).

* {{Misblamed}}: Lots of fans of the show (and Ebert himself) believed that Ben Mankiewicz had been given a raw deal to be paired up with Ben Lyons, and should be remembered for trying his darndest to salvage the series from the mess the execs and Lyons were making.

* {{Misblamed}}: Lots of fans of the show (and Ebert himself) believed that Ben Mankiewicz had given a raw deal to be paired up with Ben Lyons, and should be remembered for trying his darndest to salvage the series from the mess the execs and Lyons were making.

* AlasPoorScrappy: Lots of fans of the show (and Ebert himself) believed that Ben Mankiewicz had given a raw deal to be paired up with Ben Lyons, and should be remembered for trying his darndest to salvage the series from the mess the execs and Lyons were making.

** A multitude of reasons for the hate of the Mankiewicz/Lyons era have included thoughts that:

* EvenBetterSequel: One could argue that, in comparison to Ebert and Roeper, Roeper's reviews with guest critics (ESPECIALLY A.O. Scott and eventual regular Michael Phillips) produced some great camaraderie that may have even surpassed his chemistry with Ebert. One could attribute this to the fact that Roeper conversed more with critics around his age group, allowing for less of a generational gap to exist in reviews like there might have been in his earlier years with Roger (who was roughly 20 years his senior). As [[ThatGuyWithTheGlasses The Nostalgia Critic]] pointed out, Roeper and Ebert could have been seen as having slightly different mindsets, given how the latter has listed his favorite film as CitizenKane, while the former enjoys the broader FerrisBuellersDayOff (conversely, Gene mentioned in a review that his favorite was probably Dr. Strangelove).

*** 6) Lyons' qualifications in particular were questioned, as he was in his 20s (as well as a regular correspondent on E!News) and some viewers may have found that he lacked the same understanding of film that his predecessors shared. His negative review of SynedocheNewYork earned scorn from Adam Kempenaar (of the Chicago radio program "Filmspotting"), who reflected that Lyons hadn't taken the time to register what the film was actually attempting to say, but rather that the film was difficult overall. Mankiewicz may have averted this slightly, as he was (and still is, as of 2013) a regular contributor to Turner Classic Movies and descendant of Herman and Joseph Mankiewicz (each of whom were Oscar-winners for writing CitizenKane and directing AllAboutEve, respectively).

* TheScrappy: One could say this of the entire year of the Mankiewicz/Lyons year.

*** 6) Lyons' qualifications in particular were questioned, as he was in his 20s (as well as a regular correspondent on E!News) and some viewers may have found that he lacked the same understanding of film that his predecessors shared. Mankiewicz may have averted this slightly, as he was (and still is, as of 2013) a regular contributor to Turner Classic Movies.

**** [[http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009/11/post.html Ebert himself]] seemed to offer a slight TakeThat to this section of the show.

*** 2) The overall lack of chemistry between the two critics,
*** 3) It's adjustment leading to the destruction of the old Siskel and Ebert set, something Roger only found out afterwards, enraging him to no end,
*** 4) The use of a brighter, in-your-face, color palette and opening theme, likely used to bring in younger audiences, and

** EvenBetterSequel: Though one could argue that, in comparison to Ebert and Roeper, Roeper's reviews with guest critics (ESPECIALLY A.O. Scott and eventual regular Michael Phillips) produced some great camaraderie that may have even surpassed his chemistry with Ebert. One could attribute this to the fact that Roeper conversed more with critics around his age group, allowing for less of a generational gap to exist in reviews like there might have been in his earlier years with Roger (who was roughly 20 years his senior). As [[ThatGuyWithTheGlasses The Nostalgia Critic]] pointed out, Roeper and Ebert could have been seen as having slightly different mindsets, given how the latter has listed his favorite film as CitizenKane, while the former enjoys the broader FerrisBuellersDayOff (conversely, Gene mentioned in a review that his favorite was probably Dr. Strangelove).

* FirstInstallmentWins: No matter the performance of the new reviewers, the original show with Gene Siskel and Roger Ebert is the version everyone remembers.