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Restore this if I’m wrong but I don’t think Goldie appears alive in that segment, just that movie, and the segments in the various movies jump all over the chronology


** Actually the sequel doesn't take place after ''The Hard Goodbye'' as [[TheLostLenore Goldie]] is alive in that movie! It's confusing for sure especially given Nancy's [[BeautyIsNeverTarnished lack of scars]] in ''The Hard Goodbye'', but chronologically that is sadly when she and [[TooCoolToLive Marv]] last see each other and everything with Senator Rourke having happened before then.

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* QuestionableCasting: Creator/JessicaAlba plays a stripper, despite having a no-nudity clause.



* WTHCastingAgency: Creator/JessicaAlba plays a stripper, despite having a no-nudity clause.

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* WTHCastingAgency: Creator/JessicaAlba plays a stripper, despite having a no-nudity clause.
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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: Marv is often considered stupid and insane, an opinion that he shares. He did poorly in school, has NoSocialSkills, gets "confused" a lot, and often has violent blackouts, although he has mentioned fighting in a war and suffering from traumatic symptoms. In his first story, he mentions that he has always been good at puzzles, implying that he's capable of solving complex mysteries. He was certainly intelligent enough to go up against a powerful crime family. He also cares a lot about his friends and family, is friendly towards complete strangers, and is something of an awkward gentleman with women. On the other hand, he often displays bizarre emotional responses, most prominently a near-sociopathic LackOfEmpathy -- there have been multiple instances of him remaining ''genuinely'' perfectly calm during moments of intense chaotic violence, and he's capable of cool, calculated cruelty and a complete lack of queasiness or discomfort while casually torturing people to death ([[PayEvilUntoEvil not that his victims didn't deserve it]]).
-->'''Marv:''' I got a condition. It's bad to forget your medicine when you got a condition.
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*CompleteMonster: [[TheVamp Ava Lord]], despite her innocent act, is a ruthless FemmeFatale who [[CardCarryingVillain acknowledges herself as truly evil]]. [[ManipulativeBitch Ava]] enjoys seducing men, toying with them, destroying everyone around them, and finally arranging their deaths. Doing this to dozens, it has led her right-hand man Manute to see her as a dark goddess. Arranging her husband's death at the hands of Dwight [=McCarthy=], Ava proceeds to [[TheCorrupter seduce and destroy]] an honest policeman, Mort, to protect herself. When that fails, Ava happily tries to kill Manute to convince Dwight to be a monster like her.
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Some of the most negative traits of Frank Miller's later work (the oversexualization of women, the repetitive, choppy phrasing, the sketchy artwork) can be found in this series. However, it mostly works here because of the dark, noir-esque tone. It's when these traits migrated into ''other'' genres that Miller's weaknesses became ever more apparent.
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** Actually the sequel doesn’t take place after ''The Hard Goodbye'' as [[TheLostLenore Goldie]] is alive in that movie! It’s confusing for sure especially given Nancy's [[BeautyIsNeverTarnished lack of scars]] in ''The Hard Goodbye'', but chronologically that is sadly when she and [[TooCoolToLive Marv]] last see each other and everything with Senator Rourke having happened before then.
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* CompleteMonster: "That Yellow Bastard": [[WouldHurtAChild Ethan Roark Jr.]] is the son of a crooked Senator with the appearance of a handsome, young playboy. Really a sadistic pedophile, Jr. moonlights as a [[SerialRapist rapist]] and [[SerialKiller killer]] of preteen girls, particularly [[LovesTheSoundOfScreaming enjoying their screams]] as he attacks them. His crimes [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections covered up]] by Roark Sr., he is eventually caught by heroic cop John Hartigan as he abducts the young Nancy Callahan, Hartigan crippling and castrating him before he can attack the girl. His father having Hartigan imprisoned for revenge, Jr. kidnaps the adult Nancy and prepares to torture, rape, and kill her, boasting to Hartigan of the many--possibly dozens--of victims he took while the latter was incarcerated.

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* CompleteMonster: "That CompleteMonster ("That Yellow Bastard": Bastard"): [[WouldHurtAChild Ethan Roark Jr.]] is the son of a crooked Senator with the appearance of a handsome, young playboy. Really a sadistic pedophile, Jr. moonlights as a [[SerialRapist rapist]] and [[SerialKiller killer]] of preteen girls, particularly [[LovesTheSoundOfScreaming enjoying their screams]] as he attacks them. His crimes [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections covered up]] by Roark Sr., he is eventually caught by heroic cop John Hartigan as he abducts the young Nancy Callahan, Hartigan crippling and castrating him before he can attack the girl. His father having Hartigan imprisoned for revenge, Jr. kidnaps the adult Nancy and prepares to torture, rape, and kill her, boasting to Hartigan of the many--possibly dozens--of victims he took while the latter was incarcerated.

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* CompleteMonster: Due to the [[BlackAndGrayMorality general morality]], the villains are usually really bad. But even with that being said, there are a few that stand out as especially heinous. These are the absolute worst that the CrapsackWorld setting has to offer:
** "The Hard Goodbye", with a short cameo in "That Yellow Bastard": [[TheyLookJustLikeEveryoneElse Kevin]] is a young, emotionless SerialKiller who acts as a hitman for [[SinisterMinister Cardinal Patrick Henry Roark]]. In the meantime, Kevin murders and [[ImAHumanitarian eats]] prostitutes, piece by piece, keeping the women alive as long as possible and making them watch. He [[{{Fingore}} cuts of and eats the left hand]] of Marv's parole officer Lucille, and throws her in the basement of the farmhouse, where there are several heads of Kevin's previous victims.
** "That Yellow Bastard": [[WouldHurtAChild Ethan Roark Jr.]] is the son of a crooked Senator with the appearance of a handsome, young playboy. Really a sadistic pedophile, Jr. moonlights as a [[SerialRapist rapist]] and [[SerialKiller killer]] of preteen girls, particularly [[LovesTheSoundOfScreaming enjoying their screams]] as he attacks them. His crimes [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections covered up]] by Roark Sr., he is eventually caught by heroic cop John Hartigan as he abducts the young Nancy Callahan, Hartigan crippling and castrating him before he can attack the girl. His father having Hartigan imprisoned for revenge, Jr. kidnaps the adult Nancy and prepares to torture, rape, and kill her, boasting to Hartigan of the many--possibly dozens--of victims he took while the latter was incarcerated.
** [[ProfessionalKiller The Colonel]], also known as The Salesman, is one of the top enforcers in Herr Wallenquist's Basin City Mob. He runs and partakes in a clandestine division of contract killers, also recruiting and corrupting new trainees into killing machines, inducing one of them to murder the only man she ever loved before assigning her the codename "Blue Eyes". The Colonel's largest operation is the "[[HumanTrafficking Human Resources]]" division, a massive kidnapping, brainwashing, [[OrganTheft organ harvesting]] and [[SexSlave sexual slavery]] operation. He brutally kills off one of his henchmen and murders his male lover on the off chance that the hero Wallace might track the minion down. When the loyalty of [[DirtyCop Lt. Leibowitz]] might falter, the Colonel threatens to have his entire family killed and orders his teenage son's arm to be broken as a warning. The Colonel is a sociopath who displays no character traits other than hinting at a wish to direct the bodies of the people around him, to see their "full potential" realized.

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* CompleteMonster: Due to the [[BlackAndGrayMorality general morality]], the villains are usually really bad. But even with that being said, there are a few that stand out as especially heinous. These are the absolute worst that the CrapsackWorld setting has to offer:
** "The Hard Goodbye", with a short cameo in "That Yellow Bastard": [[TheyLookJustLikeEveryoneElse Kevin]] is a young, emotionless SerialKiller who acts as a hitman for [[SinisterMinister Cardinal Patrick Henry Roark]]. In the meantime, Kevin murders and [[ImAHumanitarian eats]] prostitutes, piece by piece, keeping the women alive as long as possible and making them watch. He [[{{Fingore}} cuts of and eats the left hand]] of Marv's parole officer Lucille, and throws her in the basement of the farmhouse, where there are several heads of Kevin's previous victims.
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"That Yellow Bastard": [[WouldHurtAChild Ethan Roark Jr.]] is the son of a crooked Senator with the appearance of a handsome, young playboy. Really a sadistic pedophile, Jr. moonlights as a [[SerialRapist rapist]] and [[SerialKiller killer]] of preteen girls, particularly [[LovesTheSoundOfScreaming enjoying their screams]] as he attacks them. His crimes [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections covered up]] by Roark Sr., he is eventually caught by heroic cop John Hartigan as he abducts the young Nancy Callahan, Hartigan crippling and castrating him before he can attack the girl. His father having Hartigan imprisoned for revenge, Jr. kidnaps the adult Nancy and prepares to torture, rape, and kill her, boasting to Hartigan of the many--possibly dozens--of victims he took while the latter was incarcerated.
** [[ProfessionalKiller The Colonel]], also known as The Salesman, is one of the top enforcers in Herr Wallenquist's Basin City Mob. He runs and partakes in a clandestine division of contract killers, also recruiting and corrupting new trainees into killing machines, inducing one of them to murder the only man she ever loved before assigning her the codename "Blue Eyes". The Colonel's largest operation is the "[[HumanTrafficking Human Resources]]" division, a massive kidnapping, brainwashing, [[OrganTheft organ harvesting]] and [[SexSlave sexual slavery]] operation. He brutally kills off one of his henchmen and murders his male lover on the off chance that the hero Wallace might track the minion down. When the loyalty of [[DirtyCop Lt. Leibowitz]] might falter, the Colonel threatens to have his entire family killed and orders his teenage son's arm to be broken as a warning. The Colonel is a sociopath who displays no character traits other than hinting at a wish to direct the bodies of the people around him, to see their "full potential" realized.
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* CompleteMonster: [[ProfessionalKiller The Colonel]], also known as The Salesman, is one of the top enforcers in Herr Wallenquist's Basin City Mob. He runs and partakes in a clandestine division of contract killers, also recruiting and corrupting new trainees into killing machines, inducing one of them to murder the only man she ever loved before assigning her the codename "Blue Eyes". The Colonel's largest operation is the "[[HumanTrafficking Human Resources]]" division, a massive kidnapping, brainwashing, [[OrganTheft organ harvesting]] and [[SexSlave sexual slavery]] operation. He brutally kills off one of his henchmen and murders his male lover on the off chance that the hero Wallace might track the minion down. When the loyalty of [[DirtyCop Lt. Leibowitz]] might falter, the Colonel threatens to have his entire family killed and orders his teenage son's arm to be broken as a warning. The Colonel is a sociopath who displays no character traits other than hinting at a wish to direct the bodies of the people around him, to see their "full potential" realized.
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Nine years of technological improvements help the CGI, and the pacing feels a bit tighter.
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* LoveToHate: Creator/NickStahl as The Yellow Bastard makes for a [[LargeHam entertainingly]] monstrous villain in a cast of already [[BlueAndOrangeMorality morally ambiguous]] characters, only unlike the rest he has zero redeeming qualities! So it’s no surprise that [[spoiler: his death and mutilation]] at Hartigan's hands is so perversely [[CatharsisFactor satisfying]] something the film couldn’t have had without him in the first place! Junior can be described as many things but ''boring'' ain’t one of them.

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* LoveToHate: Creator/NickStahl as The Yellow Bastard makes for a an [[LargeHam entertainingly]] monstrous villain in a cast of already [[BlueAndOrangeMorality morally ambiguous]] characters, only unlike the rest he has zero redeeming qualities! So it’s no surprise that [[spoiler: his death and mutilation]] at Hartigan's hands is so perversely [[CatharsisFactor satisfying]] something the film couldn’t have had without him in the first place! Junior can be described as many things but ''boring'' ain’t one of them.
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* LoveToHate: Creator/NickStahl as The Yellow Bastard makes for a [[LargeHam entertainingly]] monstrous villain in a cast of already [[BlueAndOrangeMorality morally ambiguous]] characters, only unlike the rest he has zero redeeming qualities! So it’s no surprise that [[spoiler: his death and mutilation]] at Hartigan's hands is so perversely [[CatharsisFactor satisfying]] something the film couldn’t have had without him in the first place! Junior can be described as many things but ''boring'' ain’t one of them.

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** [[ProfessionalKiller The Colonel]], also known as The Salesman, is one of the top enforcers in [[TheDon Herr Wallenquist]]'s Basin City Mob. He runs a clandestine division of contract killers and occasionally performs the hits himself. He mentors new trainees to shed all redeeming traits so they can become remorseless killing machines, inducing one of them into murdering the only man she ever loved before assigning her the codename "Blue Eyes". His largest operation is the "[[HumanTrafficking Human Resources]]" division, a massive kidnapping, sex slave-trading, brainwashing, organ harvesting and industrial-strength porn production operation. He kills off one of his own henchmen through EyeScream on the off chance that the hero Wallace might track the minion down, after previously having the man's male lover stabbed to death with over a dozen knives. He has an alliance with a DirtyCop named Leibowitz, but when Leibowitz's loyalty might falter, he orders his son's arm broken as a warning and threatens to kill his whole family. The Colonel is a sociopath who displays no character traits other than hinting at a wish to direct the bodies of the people around him, to see their "full potential" realized.

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** [[ProfessionalKiller The Colonel]], also known as The Salesman, is one of the top enforcers in [[TheDon Herr Wallenquist]]'s Wallenquist's Basin City Mob. He runs and partakes in a clandestine division of contract killers killers, also recruiting and occasionally performs the hits himself. He mentors corrupting new trainees to shed all redeeming traits so they can become remorseless into killing machines, inducing one of them into murdering to murder the only man she ever loved before assigning her the codename "Blue Eyes". His The Colonel's largest operation is the "[[HumanTrafficking Human Resources]]" division, a massive kidnapping, sex slave-trading, brainwashing, [[OrganTheft organ harvesting harvesting]] and industrial-strength porn production [[SexSlave sexual slavery]] operation. He brutally kills off one of his own henchmen through EyeScream and murders his male lover on the off chance that the hero Wallace might track the minion down, after previously having down. When the man's male lover stabbed to death with over a dozen knives. He has an alliance with a DirtyCop named Leibowitz, but when Leibowitz's loyalty of [[DirtyCop Lt. Leibowitz]] might falter, he the Colonel threatens to have his entire family killed and orders his teenage son's arm to be broken as a warning and threatens to kill his whole family.warning. The Colonel is a sociopath who displays no character traits other than hinting at a wish to direct the bodies of the people around him, to see their "full potential" realized.

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** "That Yellow Bastard": [[WouldHurtAChild Ethan Roark, Jr.]] is the son of a US Senator with the appearance of a handsome young playboy. In reality, he is a sadistic pedophile with a penchant for [[SerialRapist raping]] and [[SerialKiller murdering]] pre-teen girls and who LovesTheSoundOfScreaming. These horrible crimes are covered up by his [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections corrupt Senator father]]--brother of the Cardinal--which means that no one on the police force is willing to take him down until John Hartigan saves his latest victim, Nancy Callahan, and goes through eight long years of prison for it because of the vengeful Senator dad. Near the end, it's revealed that Roark Junior is impotent unless he hears little girls scream in pain and that there were possibly dozens of victims.

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** "That Yellow Bastard": [[WouldHurtAChild Ethan Roark, Roark Jr.]] is the son of a US crooked Senator with the appearance of a handsome handsome, young playboy. In reality, he is Really a sadistic pedophile with pedophile, Jr. moonlights as a penchant for [[SerialRapist raping]] rapist]] and [[SerialKiller murdering]] pre-teen girls and who LovesTheSoundOfScreaming. These horrible killer]] of preteen girls, particularly [[LovesTheSoundOfScreaming enjoying their screams]] as he attacks them. His crimes are covered up by his [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections corrupt Senator father]]--brother of the Cardinal--which means that no one on the police force covered up]] by Roark Sr., he is willing to take him down until eventually caught by heroic cop John Hartigan saves his latest victim, as he abducts the young Nancy Callahan, Hartigan crippling and goes through eight long years of prison castrating him before he can attack the girl. His father having Hartigan imprisoned for it because revenge, Jr. kidnaps the adult Nancy and prepares to torture, rape, and kill her, boasting to Hartigan of the vengeful Senator dad. Near many--possibly dozens--of victims he took while the end, it's revealed that Roark Junior is impotent unless he hears little girls scream in pain and that there were possibly dozens of victims.latter was incarcerated.

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** "The Hard Goodbye", with a short cameo in "That Yellow Bastard": [[TheyLookJustLikeEveryoneElse Kevin]], also appearing in the first film, is a young, emotionless SerialKiller who acts as a hitman for [[SinisterMinister Cardinal Patrick Henry Roark]]. In the meantime, Kevin murders and [[ImAHumanitarian eats]] prostitutes, piece by piece, keeping the women alive as long as possible and making them watch. He [[{{Fingore}} cuts off and eats the left hand]] of Marv's parole officer Lucille, and throws her in the basement of the farmhouse, where there are several heads of Kevin's previous victims.
** "That Yellow Bastard": Ethan Roark, Jr., a primary villain from the first film, is the son of a US Senator with the appearance of a handsome young playboy. In reality, he is a sadistic pedophile with a penchant for [[SerialRapist raping]] and [[SerialKiller murdering]] preteen girls and who {{loves the sound of screaming}}. These horrible crimes are covered up by his [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections corrupt Senator father]]--brother of the Cardinal--which means that no one on the police force is willing to take him down until [[AntiHero John Hartigan]] saves his latest victim, Nancy Callahan, and goes through eight long years of prison for it because of the vengeful Senator dad. Near the end, it's revealed that Roark Junior is impotent unless he hears little girls scream in pain and that there were possibly dozens of victims.

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** "The Hard Goodbye", with a short cameo in "That Yellow Bastard": [[TheyLookJustLikeEveryoneElse Kevin]], also appearing in the first film, Kevin]] is a young, emotionless SerialKiller who acts as a hitman for [[SinisterMinister Cardinal Patrick Henry Roark]]. In the meantime, Kevin murders and [[ImAHumanitarian eats]] prostitutes, piece by piece, keeping the women alive as long as possible and making them watch. He [[{{Fingore}} cuts off of and eats the left hand]] of Marv's parole officer Lucille, and throws her in the basement of the farmhouse, where there are several heads of Kevin's previous victims.
** "That Yellow Bastard": [[WouldHurtAChild Ethan Roark, Jr., a primary villain from the first film, ]] is the son of a US Senator with the appearance of a handsome young playboy. In reality, he is a sadistic pedophile with a penchant for [[SerialRapist raping]] and [[SerialKiller murdering]] preteen pre-teen girls and who {{loves the sound of screaming}}. LovesTheSoundOfScreaming. These horrible crimes are covered up by his [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections corrupt Senator father]]--brother of the Cardinal--which means that no one on the police force is willing to take him down until [[AntiHero John Hartigan]] Hartigan saves his latest victim, Nancy Callahan, and goes through eight long years of prison for it because of the vengeful Senator dad. Near the end, it's revealed that Roark Junior is impotent unless he hears little girls scream in pain and that there were possibly dozens of victims.

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** "That Yellow Bastard": Ethan Roark, Jr., a primary villain from the first film, is the son of a US Senator with the appearance of a handsome young playboy. In reality, he is a sadistic pedophile with a penchant for [[SerialRapist raping]] and [[SerialKiller murdering]] preteen girls and who {{loves the sound of screaming}}. These horrible crimes are covered up by his [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections corrupt Senator father]]--brother of the Cardinal--which means that no one on the police force is willing to take him down until [[AntiHero John Hartigan]] saves his latest victim, Nancy Callahan, and goes through eight long years of prison for it because of the vengeful Senator dad. Near the end, it's revealed that Roark Junior is impotent unless he hears little girls scream in pain and that there were hundreds of victims.

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** "That Yellow Bastard": Ethan Roark, Jr., a primary villain from the first film, is the son of a US Senator with the appearance of a handsome young playboy. In reality, he is a sadistic pedophile with a penchant for [[SerialRapist raping]] and [[SerialKiller murdering]] preteen girls and who {{loves the sound of screaming}}. These horrible crimes are covered up by his [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections corrupt Senator father]]--brother of the Cardinal--which means that no one on the police force is willing to take him down until [[AntiHero John Hartigan]] saves his latest victim, Nancy Callahan, and goes through eight long years of prison for it because of the vengeful Senator dad. Near the end, it's revealed that Roark Junior is impotent unless he hears little girls scream in pain and that there were hundreds possibly dozens of victims.
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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: Marv is often considered stupid and insane, an opinion that he shares. He did poorly in school, has NoSocialSkills, gets "confused" a lot, and often has violent blackouts, although he has mentioned fighting in a war and suffering from traumatic symptoms. In his first story, he mentions that he has always been good at puzzles, implying that he's capable of solving complex mysteries. He was certainly intelligent enough to go up against a powerful crime family. He also cares a lot about his friends and family, is friendly towards complete strangers, and is something of an awkward gentleman with women. On the other hand, he often displays bizarre emotional responses, most prominently a near-sociopathic LackOfEmpathy -- there have been multiple instances of him remaining ''genuinely'' perfectly calm during moments of intense chaotic violence, and he's capable of cool, calculated cruelty and a complete lack of queasiness or discomfort while casually torturing people to death ([[KickTheSonOfABitch not that his victims didn't deserve it]]).

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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: Marv is often considered stupid and insane, an opinion that he shares. He did poorly in school, has NoSocialSkills, gets "confused" a lot, and often has violent blackouts, although he has mentioned fighting in a war and suffering from traumatic symptoms. In his first story, he mentions that he has always been good at puzzles, implying that he's capable of solving complex mysteries. He was certainly intelligent enough to go up against a powerful crime family. He also cares a lot about his friends and family, is friendly towards complete strangers, and is something of an awkward gentleman with women. On the other hand, he often displays bizarre emotional responses, most prominently a near-sociopathic LackOfEmpathy -- there have been multiple instances of him remaining ''genuinely'' perfectly calm during moments of intense chaotic violence, and he's capable of cool, calculated cruelty and a complete lack of queasiness or discomfort while casually torturing people to death ([[KickTheSonOfABitch ([[PayEvilUntoEvil not that his victims didn't deserve it]]).
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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: Marv is often considered stupid and insane, an opinion that he shares. He did poorly in school, has NoSocialSkills, gets "confused" a lot, and often has violent blackouts, although he has mentioned fighting in a war and suffering from traumatic symptoms. In his first story, he mentions that he has always been good at puzzles, implying that he's capable of solving complex mysteries. He was certainly intelligent enough to go up against a powerful crime family. He also cares a lot about his friends and family, is friendly towards complete strangers, and is something of an awkward gentleman with women. On the other hand, he often displays bizarre emotional responses, most prominently a near-sociopathic LackOfEmpathy -- there have been multiple instances of him remaining ''genuinely'' perfectly calm during moments of intense chaotic violence, and he's capable of cool, calculated cruelty and a complete lack of queasiness or discomfort while casually torturing people to death ([[KickTheSonOfABitch not that his victims didn't deserve it]]).
-->'''Marv:''' I got a condition. It's bad to forget your medicine when you got a condition.

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