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** Kash. Kash isn’t talked about all that much to begin with, and when he is, it’s not very positive. Him being sexually active with Ian was squicky on so many levels, as he was a 20-something year old man and Ian was 15, not to mention that Kash was a married man with two kids. He also hurt Mickey, who is a fan favorite, and [[spoiler:left his wife and three children for a younger man, abandoning the situation rather than finding a mature way to deal with it. He’s..unpopular, to say the least.
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** Debbie's popularity took a hit when she hit puberty in Season 4 and became a BrattyTeenageDaughter, but the real drop-off happens in Season 6. [[spoiler:She deliberately gets pregnant in a misguided attempt to keep her boyfriend with her, decides to keep it even after he's ditched her, ignores Fiona's warnings that she's making a really bad decision, and refuses to accept the consequences of her actions or even take help from Fiona (who was proven right about Debbie not being ready to take care of a baby). And even after Franny is born, she succeeds on pure luck and is handed almost as many opportunities to succeed by the writers as Frank does.]] By Season 7, she consistently rates as being the least-liked character on the show.
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** The show received [[http://www.briozalas.com/2016/10/11/shameful-depiction-bisexuality-showtimes-shameless/ heavy criticism]] for its depiction of bisexuality and fluid sexuality after Caleb cheated on Ian with a woman. Caleb, the first character on the show to claim to be sexually fluid (not counting Tony, whose out-of-left-field assertion that sex with Fiona "turned him gay," despite having a previous unrelated girlfriend, was bizarre in itself), cheats on Ian with a married woman without a hint of remorse and accuses Ian of being close-minded for not being curious about sex with a woman before asserting that it "doesn't count" if a gay man sleeps with a woman. And when Carl suggests that Caleb is bisexual, Ian scoffs off the idea as if it's either a bad or made-up word. Not only were there complaints from bisexuals that a TV show once more portrayed them as immoral cheaters who are somehow ''more'' drawn to committing infidelity because they're attracted to more than one gender, there were complaints from other fans that Ian's sex scene with a woman was longer than any sex scene he'd had with Mickey. Others found it strange that the writers implied that it's only a matter of time before bisexuals cheat when they have temptation from men and women when ''Ian himself'' cheated on his partners with few repercussions.
** The sheer amount of BlackComedyRape on this show:
*** Male/female: Jody performs oral sex on Karen to wake her from a coma, which works. Except that she now has the mind of a child and is carted off by Jody to Florida, despite the fact that she no longer seems able to consent to anything, which is portrayed as being exactly what Karen deserves for her past behavior.
*** Female/male: Debbie raping Matty, especially given that Debby is at least supposed to be a somewhat sympathetic protagonist.
** The show received [[http://www.briozalas.com/2016/10/11/shameful-depiction-bisexuality-showtimes-shameless/ heavy criticism]] for its depiction of bisexuality and fluid sexuality after Caleb cheated on Ian with a woman. Caleb, the first character on the show to claim to be sexually fluid (not counting Tony, whose out-of-left-field assertion that sex with Fiona "turned him gay," despite having a previous unrelated girlfriend, was bizarre in itself), cheats on Ian with a married woman without a hint of remorse and accuses Ian of being close-minded for not being curious about sex with a woman before asserting that it "doesn't count" if a gay man sleeps with a woman. And when Carl suggests that Caleb is bisexual, Ian scoffs off the idea as if it's either a bad or made-up word. Not only were there complaints from bisexuals that a TV show once more portrayed them as immoral cheaters who are somehow ''more'' drawn to committing infidelity because they're attracted to more than one gender, there were complaints from other fans that Ian's sex scene with a woman was longer than any sex scene he'd had with Mickey. Others found it strange that the writers implied that it's only a matter of time before bisexuals cheat when they have temptation from men and women when ''Ian himself'' cheated on his partners with few repercussions.
** The sheer amount of BlackComedyRape on this show:
*** Male/female: Jody performs oral sex on Karen to wake her from a coma, which works. Except that she now has the mind of a child and is carted off by Jody to Florida, despite the fact that she no longer seems able to consent to anything, which is portrayed as being exactly what Karen deserves for her past behavior.
*** Female/male: Debbie raping Matty, especially given that Debby is at least supposed to be a somewhat sympathetic protagonist.
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**UnfortunateImplications: The show received [[http://www.briozalas.com/2016/10/11/shameful-depiction-bisexuality-showtimes-shameless/ heavy criticism]] for its depiction of bisexuality and fluid sexuality after Caleb cheated on Ian with a woman. Caleb, the first character on the show to claim to be sexually fluid (not counting Tony, whose out-of-left-field assertion that sex with Fiona "turned him gay," despite having a previous unrelated girlfriend, was bizarre in itself), cheats on Ian with a married woman without a hint of remorse and accuses Ian of being close-minded for not being curious about sex with a woman before asserting that it "doesn't count" if a gay man sleeps with a woman. And when Carl suggests that Caleb is bisexual, Ian scoffs off the idea as if it's either a bad or made-up word. Not only were there complaints from bisexuals that a TV show once more portrayed them as immoral cheaters who are somehow ''more'' drawn to committing infidelity because they're attracted to more than one gender, there were complaints from other fans that Ian's sex scene with a woman was longer than any sex scene he'd had with Mickey. Others found it strange that the writers implied that it's only a matter of time before bisexuals cheat when they have temptation from men and women when ''Ian himself'' cheated on his partners with few repercussions. \n** The sheer amount of BlackComedyRape on this show:\n*** Male/female: Jody performs oral sex on Karen to wake her from a coma, which works. Except that she now has the mind of a child and is carted off by Jody to Florida, despite the fact that she no longer seems able to consent to anything, which is portrayed as being exactly what Karen deserves for her past behavior.\n*** Female/male: Debbie raping Matty, especially given that Debby is at least supposed to be a somewhat sympathetic protagonist.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The show received [[http://www.briozalas.com/2016/10/11/shameful-depiction-bisexuality-showtimes-shameless/ heavy criticism]] for its depiction of bisexuality and fluid sexuality after Caleb cheated on Ian with a woman. Caleb, the first character on the show to claim to be sexually fluid (not counting Tony, whose out-of-left-field assertion that sex with Fiona "turned him gay," despite having a previous unrelated girlfriend, was bizarre in itself), cheats on Ian with a married woman without a hint of remorse and accuses Ian of being close-minded for not being curious about sex with a woman before asserting that it "doesn't count" if a gay man sleeps with a woman. And when Carl suggests that Caleb is bisexual, Ian scoffs off the idea as if it's either a bad or made-up word. Not only were there complaints from bisexuals that a TV show once more portrayed them as immoral cheaters who are somehow ''more'' drawn to committing infidelity because they're attracted to more than one gender, there were complaints from other fans that Ian's sex scene with a woman was longer than any sex scene he'd had with Mickey. Others found it strange that the writers implied that it's only a matter of time before bisexuals cheat when they have temptation from men and women when ''Ian himself'' cheated on his partners with few repercussions.
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** The show received [[http://www.briozalas.com/2016/10/11/shameful-depiction-bisexuality-showtimes-shameless/ heavy criticism]] for its depiction of bisexuality and fluid sexuality after Caleb cheated on Ian with a woman. Caleb, the first character on the show to claim to be sexually fluid (not counting Tony, whose out-of-left-field assertion that sex with Fiona "turned him gay," despite having a previous unrelated girlfriend, was bizarre in itself), cheats on Ian with a married woman without a hint of remorse and accuses Ian of being close-minded for not being curious about sex with a woman before asserting that it "doesn't count" if a gay man sleeps with a woman. And when Carl suggests that Caleb is bisexual, Ian scoffs off the idea as if it's either a bad or made-up word. Not only were there complaints from bisexuals that a TV show once more portrayed them as immoral cheaters who are somehow ''more'' drawn to committing infidelity because they're attracted to more than one gender, there were complaints from other fans that Ian's sex scene with a woman was longer than any sex scene he'd had with Mickey. Others found it strange that the writers implied that it's only a matter of time before bisexuals cheat when they have temptation from men and women when ''Ian himself'' cheated on his partners with few repercussions.
** The sheer amount of BlackComedyRape on this show:
*** Male/female: Jody performs oral sex on Karen to wake her from a coma, which works. Except that she now has the mind of a child and is carted off by Jody to Florida, despite the fact that she no longer seems able to consent to anything, which is portrayed as being exactly what Karen deserves for her past behavior.
*** Female/male: Debbie raping Matty, especially given that Debby is at least supposed to be a somewhat sympathetic protagonist.
** The show received [[http://www.briozalas.com/2016/10/11/shameful-depiction-bisexuality-showtimes-shameless/ heavy criticism]] for its depiction of bisexuality and fluid sexuality after Caleb cheated on Ian with a woman. Caleb, the first character on the show to claim to be sexually fluid (not counting Tony, whose out-of-left-field assertion that sex with Fiona "turned him gay," despite having a previous unrelated girlfriend, was bizarre in itself), cheats on Ian with a married woman without a hint of remorse and accuses Ian of being close-minded for not being curious about sex with a woman before asserting that it "doesn't count" if a gay man sleeps with a woman. And when Carl suggests that Caleb is bisexual, Ian scoffs off the idea as if it's either a bad or made-up word. Not only were there complaints from bisexuals that a TV show once more portrayed them as immoral cheaters who are somehow ''more'' drawn to committing infidelity because they're attracted to more than one gender, there were complaints from other fans that Ian's sex scene with a woman was longer than any sex scene he'd had with Mickey. Others found it strange that the writers implied that it's only a matter of time before bisexuals cheat when they have temptation from men and women when ''Ian himself'' cheated on his partners with few repercussions.
** The sheer amount of BlackComedyRape on this show:
*** Male/female: Jody performs oral sex on Karen to wake her from a coma, which works. Except that she now has the mind of a child and is carted off by Jody to Florida, despite the fact that she no longer seems able to consent to anything, which is portrayed as being exactly what Karen deserves for her past behavior.
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** Svetlana at first. She is also forced at gunpoint to have sex with Mickey, but is treated as an annoyance and hindrance to his relationship with Ian. She quickly gained a MisaimedFandom among people who thought that she was harshly treated for things that were either not her fault or show her trying to make the "best" of a bad situation. The writers realized this and she became a much more sympathetic and essential presence on the show afterwards.
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** Svetlana at first.first, until it became intentional. She is also forced at gunpoint to have sex with Mickey, but is treated as an annoyance and hindrance to his relationship with Ian. She quickly gained a MisaimedFandom among people who thought that she was harshly treated for things that were either not her fault or show her trying to make the "best" of a bad situation. The writers realized this and she became a much more sympathetic and essential presence on the show afterwards.
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** It's also portrayed DudeShesLikeInAComa as funny more than once, where Joey gives the comatose Karen oral and it ''wakes her from a coma''...with the mind of a child.
** It's also portrayed DudeShesLikeInAComa as funny more than once, where Joey gives the comatose Karen oral and it ''wakes her from a coma''...with the mind of a child.
** Joey essentially rapes Karen by performing oral on her while she's in a coma. Except it works. And she wakes up severely brain damaged.
** Whether or not Fiona crossed it is [[BrokenBase very, very controversial]], but some people point to her reckless use of cocaine that resulted in ''Liam'' taking it in Season 4, but more so her failure to learn from her mistakes in Season 5 onwards.
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* ReplacementScrappy: Caleb [[spoiler:for Mickey]]. Fan reaction against him was guaranteed from the start. But the perception that the relationship is leading to [[spoiler: shitting all over Mickey and painting Ian as totally innocent in their break up.]]
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** Caleb [[spoiler:for Mickey]]. Fan reaction against him was guaranteed from the start. But the perception that the relationship is leading to [[spoiler: shitting all over Mickey and painting Ian as totally innocent in their break up.]]
** Caleb [[spoiler:for Mickey]]. Fan reaction against him was guaranteed from the start. But the perception that the relationship is leading to [[spoiler: shitting all over Mickey and painting Ian as totally innocent in their break up.]]
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* RonTheDeathEater: A subset of the fans who see Caleb as a ReplacementScrappy for [[spoiler:Mickey]] claim that he's also an entitled brat with no right to claim hardships given what the character he's replacing has gone through.
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** A subset of the fans who see Caleb as a ReplacementScrappy for [[spoiler:Mickey]] claim that he's also an entitled brat with no right to claim hardships given what the character he's replacing has gone through.
** A subset of the fans who see Caleb as a ReplacementScrappy for [[spoiler:Mickey]] claim that he's also an entitled brat with no right to claim hardships given what the character he's replacing has gone through.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Though the girl who gives Fiona's laundromat a bad Yelp review in "Ouroborous" is portrayed as an upper-class hipster "dumping" on Fiona's investment, it can be ''really'' hard to side with Fiona given that the purchase of the laundromat was already shown to be an extremely risky, myopic decision criticized by most of her family, and the girl wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary -- and certainly didn't know Fiona's life story before the latter humiliated her on a date, smashed food all over her a shirt, and drove her from the diner in tears. And this is supposed to be an [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality celebratory moment]] for Fiona.
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** Svetlana at first. She is also forced at gunpoint to have sex with Mickey, but is treated as an annoyance and hindrance to his relationship with Ian. She quickly gained a MisaimedFandom among people who thought that she was harshly treated for things that were either not her fault or show her trying to make the "best" of a bad situation. The writers realized this and she became a much more sympathetic and essential presence on the show afterwards.
** Though the girl who gives Fiona's laundromat a bad Yelp review in "Ouroborous" is portrayed as an upper-class hipster "dumping" on Fiona's investment, it can be ''really'' hard to side with Fiona given that the purchase of the laundromat was already shown to be an extremely risky, myopic decision criticized by most of her family, and the girl wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary -- and certainly didn't know Fiona's life story before the latter humiliated her on a date, smashed food all over her a shirt, and drove her from the diner in tears. And this is supposed to be an [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality celebratory moment]] for Fiona.
** Svetlana at first. She is also forced at gunpoint to have sex with Mickey, but is treated as an annoyance and hindrance to his relationship with Ian. She quickly gained a MisaimedFandom among people who thought that she was harshly treated for things that were either not her fault or show her trying to make the "best" of a bad situation. The writers realized this and she became a much more sympathetic and essential presence on the show afterwards.
** Though the girl who gives Fiona's laundromat a bad Yelp review in "Ouroborous" is portrayed as an upper-class hipster "dumping" on Fiona's investment, it can be ''really'' hard to side with Fiona given that the purchase of the laundromat was already shown to be an extremely risky, myopic decision criticized by most of her family, and the girl wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary -- and certainly didn't know Fiona's life story before the latter humiliated her on a date, smashed food all over her a shirt, and drove her from the diner in tears. And this is supposed to be an [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality celebratory moment]] for Fiona.
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* FandomHeresy: God help you if you say you don't ship Ian/Mickey.
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* InternetBackdraft: God help you if [[FandomHeresy you say you don't ship]] [[PortmanteauCoupleName Gallavich]].
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* HilariousInHindsight: In an episode airing in season 9 (early 2019), Frank defends being part of a drinking contest as "you can't ask [=LeBron=] James not to be in the playoffs." Just months later, James' L.A. Lakers team did indeed miss the playoffs, James' first time absent from the post-season since 2006.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: [[EnsembleDarkhorse Mickey]] gets great character development and genuinely cares about Ian, but to some fans it's like he's never done anything wrong in his entire time on the show.
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: When getting [=DNA=] tests to determine if Frank is really their father, Lip jokes to Ian about wondering if they can figure out [[BlackComedy who got the alcoholic gene from Frank.]] [[spoiler:It's Lip himself who later goes on to become an alcoholic and hit rock bottom.]]
** The Gallaghers have been known for stealing things in order to get around or carry out their schemes, but it's usually PlayedForLaughs, especially in [[ComedicSociopathy Carl's case,]] where one of his first appearances involves him stealing a kid's bike in order to get to school. [[spoiler:During his arc in season 6, Carl befriends Nick, who, in one of the most disturbing scenes of the show, he finds after the latter ''murdered a child'' for stealing his bike.]]
** The Gallaghers have been known for stealing things in order to get around or carry out their schemes, but it's usually PlayedForLaughs, especially in [[ComedicSociopathy Carl's case,]] where one of his first appearances involves him stealing a kid's bike in order to get to school. [[spoiler:During his arc in season 6, Carl befriends Nick, who, in one of the most disturbing scenes of the show, he finds after the latter ''murdered a child'' for stealing his bike.]]
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* FriendlyFandoms: ''Shameless'' shares some with ''Series/{{Roseanne}}'' due to their similarities as shows that are centered around families living on the lower end of the economic ladder struggling to get by. It increased when ''Roseanne'' received a revival series in 2017 and Debbie's actress Emma Kenney was cast as the title character's oldest granddaughter Harris.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: When getting[=DNA=] DNA tests to determine if Frank is really their father, Lip jokes to Ian about wondering if they can figure out [[BlackComedy who got the alcoholic gene from Frank.]] [[spoiler:It's Lip himself who later goes on to become an a full-blown alcoholic and hit hits rock bottom.]]
** The Gallaghers have been known for stealing things in order to getaround by or carry out their schemes, but it's usually PlayedForLaughs, especially in [[ComedicSociopathy Carl's case,]] where one of his first appearances involves him stealing a kid's bike in order to get to school. [[spoiler:During his arc in season 6, Carl befriends Nick, who, in one of the most disturbing scenes of the show, he finds after the latter ''murdered a child'' for stealing his bike.]]
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** '''Sammi'''. While she was more or less enjoyable during Season 4, in Season 5 alone, she has become even [[UpToEleven more horrible]] than Frank. She manages to [[spoiler:get Carl and Ian arrested (the latter of which was completely uncalled for on her end), as well as tattooing a swastika into her son's forehead so he would not get beaten up in juvie hall.]] While Frank is a horrible parent, he can occasionally make up for it by still being caring at times. Sammi is shown to be one horrible woman who doesn't care who she screws over to get what she wants.
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** '''Sammi'''. While she was more or less enjoyable during Season 4, in Season 5 alone, she has become even [[UpToEleven more horrible]] than Frank. She manages to [[spoiler:get Carl and Ian arrested (the latter of which was completely uncalled for on her end), as well as tattooing a swastika into her son's forehead so he would not get beaten up in juvie hall.]] While ''shooting'' Frank is a horrible parent, he can occasionally in the arm to make up him pay attention to her]]. The final straw for it by still being caring many was her direct role in getting Mickey arrested at times.the end of Season 5, essentially breaking up the much beloved Gallavich ship. Sammi is shown to be one horrible woman who doesn't care who she screws over to get what she wants.
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** Steve/Jimmy can also be pretty divisive among fans; some think that his character and storylines (a rich, privileged trust fund kid moonlighting as masterful car thief on the side who has lots of connections and also is involved with mob activity) take away from the comparatively grounded story of the Gallaghers just trying to get by, and his putting Fiona on a pedestal while not accepting that she and the kids are a package deal is grating. Others love his character and firmly believe that he and Fiona belong together, and he at least cares about making sure Fiona has a life outside of being a surrogate parent. [[spoiler:His being brought back for a brief arc in Season 5 resulted in a similar BrokenBase.]]
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** Steve/Jimmy can also be pretty divisive among fans; some think that his character and storylines (a rich, privileged trust fund kid moonlighting as a masterful car thief on the side who has lots of connections and is also is involved with mob activity) take away from the comparatively grounded story of the Gallaghers just trying to get by, and his putting Fiona on a pedestal while not accepting that she and the kids are a package deal is grating. Others love his character and firmly believe that he and Fiona belong together, and he at least cares about making sure Fiona has a life outside of being a surrogate parent. [[spoiler:His being brought back for a brief arc in Season 5 resulted in a similar BrokenBase.]]
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** By Season 3, its really hard to root for Frank anymore. [[spoiler: After a drunken bender, he crashes at the house where he messes up things with some of his drunk or high "friends", and then crashes in Debbie's that results in a fight and Debbie's Abraham Lincoln log cabin project to be ruin and dismisses it as being stupid, leading to Debbie losing her shit and attacking Frank.]] And if that's not bad enough, [[spoiler: after he had been tossed out of the house, Frank ''then'' calls up Social Services and reports on his own family.]] It really says a lot when one of the bartenders tells him that he "hit a new low even for him".
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** By Season 3, its it's really hard to root for Frank anymore. [[spoiler: After [[spoiler:After a drunken bender, he crashes at the house where he messes up things with some of his drunk or high "friends", and then crashes in Debbie's that results in a fight and Debbie's Abraham Lincoln log cabin project to be ruin ruined and dismisses it as being stupid, leading to Debbie losing her shit and attacking Frank.]] And if that's not bad enough, [[spoiler: after he had been gets tossed out of the house, Frank ''then'' calls up Social Services and reports on his own family.]] It really says a lot when one of the bartenders tells Tommy and Kermit tell him that he "hit a new low even for him".
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** Steve/Jimmy can also be pretty divisive among fans; some think that because he's a rich, privileged, masterful car thief with lots of connections who also is involved with mob activity takes away from the comparatively grounded story of the Gallaghers just trying to get by, and his putting Fiona on a pedestal while not accepting that she and the kids are a package deal is grating. Others love his character and firmly believe that he and Fiona belong together, and he at least cares about making sure Fiona has a life outside of being a surrogate parent. [[spoiler:His being brought back for a brief arc in Season 5 resulted in a similar BrokenBase.]]
** Fiona's popularity dropped a lot in Seasons 4 and 5; even after she got her shit together after her nosedive in Season 4, her actions in Season 5 led some fans to believe that she was turning into Frank, and that she was losing [[AllLovingHero all the qualities]] [[BigSisterInstinct that made audiences want to root for her]] in the earlier seasons; other fans thought it was an inevitable turn due to the massive stress brought on by [[ParentalSubstitute her responsibilities]] combined with the fact that she was still only in her early twenties.
*** Fiona became divisive once more in Season 7 after washing her hands of responsibility to the family and declaring that she's had enough of taking care of the kids, but then turns around and puts the house up for collateral to get a loan in order to purchase the laundromat, in the process consulting no one, even though the family was already homeless once and it was Carl who bought the house back. Her manipulation of Etta in order to quickly make something of herself, her frequent bickering with the rest of her family and V, and some downright uncharacteristically JerkAss episodes were all cited as criticisms against her arc during the season. This continues in Season 8 where she selfishly stops homeless and at risk youth from receiving housing simply because it would affect her property value.
** Fiona's popularity dropped a lot in Seasons 4 and 5; even after she got her shit together after her nosedive in Season 4, her actions in Season 5 led some fans to believe that she was turning into Frank, and that she was losing [[AllLovingHero all the qualities]] [[BigSisterInstinct that made audiences want to root for her]] in the earlier seasons; other fans thought it was an inevitable turn due to the massive stress brought on by [[ParentalSubstitute her responsibilities]] combined with the fact that she was still only in her early twenties.
*** Fiona became divisive once more in Season 7 after washing her hands of responsibility to the family and declaring that she's had enough of taking care of the kids, but then turns around and puts the house up for collateral to get a loan in order to purchase the laundromat, in the process consulting no one, even though the family was already homeless once and it was Carl who bought the house back. Her manipulation of Etta in order to quickly make something of herself, her frequent bickering with the rest of her family and V, and some downright uncharacteristically JerkAss episodes were all cited as criticisms against her arc during the season. This continues in Season 8 where she selfishly stops homeless and at risk youth from receiving housing simply because it would affect her property value.
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** Steve/Jimmy can also be pretty divisive among fans; some think that because he's a his character and storylines (a rich, privileged, privileged trust fund kid moonlighting as masterful car thief with on the side who has lots of connections who and also is involved with mob activity takes activity) take away from the comparatively grounded story of the Gallaghers just trying to get by, and his putting Fiona on a pedestal while not accepting that she and the kids are a package deal is grating. Others love his character and firmly believe that he and Fiona belong together, and he at least cares about making sure Fiona has a life outside of being a surrogate parent. [[spoiler:His being brought back for a brief arc in Season 5 resulted in a similar BrokenBase.]]
** Fiona's popularity dropped a lot in Seasons 4 and 5; even after she got her shit together after her nosedive in Season 4, her actions in Season 5 led some fans to believe that she was turning intoFrank, Frank and that she was losing [[AllLovingHero all the qualities]] [[BigSisterInstinct that made audiences want to root for her]] in the earlier seasons; other fans thought it was an inevitable turn due to the massive stress brought on by [[ParentalSubstitute her responsibilities]] combined with the fact that she was still only in her early twenties.
*** Fiona became divisive once more in Season 7 after washing her hands of responsibility to the family and declaring that she's had enough of taking care of the kids, but then turns around and puts the house up for collateral to get a loan in order to purchase the laundromat, in the process consulting no one, even though the family was already homeless once and it was Carl who bought the house back. Her manipulation of Etta in order to quickly make something of herself, her frequent bickering with the rest of her family and V, and some downright uncharacteristically JerkAss episodes were all cited as criticisms against her arc during the season. This continues in Season 8 where she selfishly stops homeless andat risk at-risk youth from receiving housing simply because it would affect her property value.
** Fiona's popularity dropped a lot in Seasons 4 and 5; even after she got her shit together after her nosedive in Season 4, her actions in Season 5 led some fans to believe that she was turning into
*** Fiona became divisive once more in Season 7 after washing her hands of responsibility to the family and declaring that she's had enough of taking care of the kids, but then turns around and puts the house up for collateral to get a loan in order to purchase the laundromat, in the process consulting no one, even though the family was already homeless once and it was Carl who bought the house back. Her manipulation of Etta in order to quickly make something of herself, her frequent bickering with the rest of her family and V, and some downright uncharacteristically JerkAss episodes were all cited as criticisms against her arc during the season. This continues in Season 8 where she selfishly stops homeless and
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** Fiona veers into this territory in Season 4 when she goes off the deep end, [[spoiler:leading to Liam's hospitalization after he accidentally inhales her cocaine. Her rant to Lip about her being glad that "something's finally about [her]" (as she ponders trying to defend herself in court over the accident, which was completely her fault) is a rare moment of pure selfishness, but she's not incorrect.]] Fortunately, she "gets her shit together" by the end of the season.
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** Fiona veers into this territory in Season 4 when she goes off the deep end, [[spoiler:leading end as a result of her life falling apart around her due to Liam's [[spoiler:Liam's hospitalization and near brush with death after he accidentally inhales ingests her cocaine. Her rant to Lip about her being glad that "something's finally about [her]" (as she ponders trying they're discussing how she's going to defend herself in court over the accident, which was completely her fault) is a rare moment of pure selfishness, but she's not incorrect.]] Fortunately, she "gets her shit together" by the end of the season.
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* RonTheDeathEater: A subset of the fans who see Caleb as a ReplacementScrappy for [[spoiler: Mickey]] claim that he's also an entitled brat with no right to claim hardships given what the character he's replacing has gone through.
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* RonTheDeathEater: A subset of the fans who see Caleb as a ReplacementScrappy for [[spoiler: Mickey]] [[spoiler:Mickey]] claim that he's also an entitled brat with no right to claim hardships given what the character he's replacing has gone through.
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** Frank [[spoiler:getting a new liver at the end of Season 4 was unbelievable, considering how carefully organs are dispensed.]]
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** Frank trying to light his old homeless house on fire in season seven features some flames that are obviously CGI.
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** Frank [[spoiler:getting a new liver at the end of Season 4 was almost JumpTheShark levels of unbelievable, considering how carefully organs are dispensed.]]
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** After the neighborhood gentrification story arc in Season 6 went by, {{hipster}}s are this.
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** Debbie's popularity already took a hit since she hit puberty in Season 4, but the drop-off was especially significant in Season 6. [[spoiler:She deliberately gets pregnant in a misguided attempt to keep her boyfriend with her, decides to keep it even after he's ditched her, ignores Fiona's warnings that she's making a really bad decision, and refuses to accept the consequences of her actions or even take help from Fiona (who was proven right about Debbie not being ready to take care of a baby). And even after Franny is born, she succeeds on pure luck and is handed almost as many opportunities to succeed by the writers as Frank does.]] By Season 7, she consistently rates as being the least-liked character on the show.
* SeasonalRot: After a score of high-quality seasons, Season 5 was considered one of the weakest seasons of the show, especially in terms of writing. [[spoiler:Bringing Steve/Jimmy back was an especially high point of contention, and is often criticized for being a contrived and pointless arc that was never going to go anywhere.]] The sixth and seventh seasons were marginally better received, only for the eighth season to be met with apathy and criticisms that neither the season nor the characters really went anywhere.
* SugarWiki/SheReallyCanAct: The series really turned around critical opinion of Emmy Rossum.
* SeasonalRot: After a score of high-quality seasons, Season 5 was considered one of the weakest seasons of the show, especially in terms of writing. [[spoiler:Bringing Steve/Jimmy back was an especially high point of contention, and is often criticized for being a contrived and pointless arc that was never going to go anywhere.]] The sixth and seventh seasons were marginally better received, only for the eighth season to be met with apathy and criticisms that neither the season nor the characters really went anywhere.
* SugarWiki/SheReallyCanAct: The series really turned around critical opinion of Emmy Rossum.
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** Debbie's popularity already took a hit since when she hit puberty in Season 4, 4 and became a BrattyTeenageDaughter, but the real drop-off was especially significant happens in Season 6. [[spoiler:She deliberately gets pregnant in a misguided attempt to keep her boyfriend with her, decides to keep it even after he's ditched her, ignores Fiona's warnings that she's making a really bad decision, and refuses to accept the consequences of her actions or even take help from Fiona (who was proven right about Debbie not being ready to take care of a baby). And even after Franny is born, she succeeds on pure luck and is handed almost as many opportunities to succeed by the writers as Frank does.]] By Season 7, she consistently rates as being the least-liked character on the show.
* SeasonalRot: After a score of high-quality seasons, Season 5 was considered one of the weakest seasons of the show, especially in terms of writing. [[spoiler:Bringing Steve/Jimmy back was an especially high point of contention, and is often criticized for being a contrived and pointless arc that was never going to go anywhere.]] The sixth and seventh seasons were marginally better received, only for the eighth season to be met with apathy and criticisms that neither theseason story nor the characters really went anywhere.
* SugarWiki/SheReallyCanAct: The series really turned around critical opinion of EmmyRossum.Rossum, who had largely been known for middle-of-the-road performances as wide-eyed ingenues, so her turn as the snarky and tough Fiona was a pleasant surprise for many.
* SeasonalRot: After a score of high-quality seasons, Season 5 was considered one of the weakest seasons of the show, especially in terms of writing. [[spoiler:Bringing Steve/Jimmy back was an especially high point of contention, and is often criticized for being a contrived and pointless arc that was never going to go anywhere.]] The sixth and seventh seasons were marginally better received, only for the eighth season to be met with apathy and criticisms that neither the
* SugarWiki/SheReallyCanAct: The series really turned around critical opinion of Emmy
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The viewer is meant to feel bad for Debbie in Season 7 as she struggles to find ways to earn money while taking care of Franny on her own (with Fiona coldly refusing to help look after Franny), and Ian and Lip even both accuse Fiona of being too hard on Debbie when Fiona threatens to kick Debbie out of the house for not pulling her weight. But many argue that Fiona was extremely clear with Debbie during the latter's pregnancy that she was not going to support what she considered a bad decision and was not going to be responsible for the baby, and Debbie's lackluster attempts at finding honest work (a single Dunkin Donuts interview), choosing instead to either demand Fiona give her a job (while refusing to take orders from her), trying to find a boyfriend, or steal from mothers at the park, didn't quite endear her to the viewers. It didn't help that Debbie's reputation with many viewers as TheScrappy was already longstanding by then.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The viewer is meant to feel bad for Debbie in Season 7 as she struggles to find ways to earn money while taking care of Franny on her own (with Fiona coldly refusing to help look after Franny), and Ian and Lip even both accuse Fiona of being too hard on Debbie when Fiona threatens to kick Debbie out of the house for not pulling her weight. But many argue that Fiona was extremely clear with Debbie during the latter's pregnancy that she was not going to support what she considered a bad decision and was not going to be responsible for the baby, and Debbie's lackluster attempts at finding honest work (a single Dunkin Donuts interview), choosing instead to either demand Fiona give her a job (while refusing to take orders from her), trying to find a boyfriend, or steal from mothers at the park, didn't quite endear her to the viewers. It also didn't help that Debbie's reputation with many viewers as TheScrappy was already longstanding by then.
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* AbortedArc: In Season 1, Tony assures Steve that he'll be married to Fiona in a short time once he moves in next to her, apparently setting up further tension in a love triangle. By Season 2, however, Tony's in happy relationship with a character who had never been introduced, and his role is so greatly reduced that he is rarely seen again.
* AcceptableTargets: This show sure does love to play DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale for laughs... several times.
* AcceptableTargets: This show sure does love to play DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale for laughs... several times.
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* AbortedArc: In Season 1, Tony assures Steve that he'll be married to Fiona in a short time once he moves in next to her, apparently setting up further tension in a love triangle. By Season 2, however, Tony's in happy relationship with a character who had never been introduced, and his role is so greatly reduced that he is rarely seen again.
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** This show sure does love to play DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale for laughs... several times.
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** This show sure does love to play DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale for laughs... several times.
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* AssPull: [[spoiler:Frank getting a new liver at the end of Season 4 was almost JumpTheShark levels of unbelievable, considering how carefully organs are dispensed.]]
** After not appearing at all in Season 5 and only appearing twice in Seasons 3 and 4 combined, Tony reappears out of nowhere in Season 6 among a [[ItMakesSenseInContext baseball team of gay cops]] and claims that having sex with Fiona [[ExactWords turned him gay]]. The fact that he was in a happy relationship with a woman in Season 2 is ignored completely, and his lack of another reappearance for further explanation makes it a bizarre scene.
** After not appearing at all in Season 5 and only appearing twice in Seasons 3 and 4 combined, Tony reappears out of nowhere in Season 6 among a [[ItMakesSenseInContext baseball team of gay cops]] and claims that having sex with Fiona [[ExactWords turned him gay]]. The fact that he was in a happy relationship with a woman in Season 2 is ignored completely, and his lack of another reappearance for further explanation makes it a bizarre scene.
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** Frank [[spoiler:getting a new liver at the end of Season 4 was almost JumpTheShark levels of unbelievable, considering how carefully organs are dispensed.]]
** Afternot appearing at all in Season 5 and only appearing twice in Seasons 3 and 4 combined, combined and then not appearing at all in Season 5, Tony reappears out of nowhere in Season 6 among a [[ItMakesSenseInContext baseball team of gay cops]] and claims that having sex with Fiona [[ExactWords turned him gay]]. The fact that he was in a happy relationship with a woman in Season 2 is ignored completely, and his lack of another reappearance for further explanation makes it a bizarre scene.
** Frank [[spoiler:getting a new liver at the end of Season 4 was almost JumpTheShark levels of unbelievable, considering how carefully organs are dispensed.]]
** After
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* AwardSnub: That Emmy Rossum hasn't won ''any'' awards for her portrayal of Fiona, nor even scored an Emmy nomination, is a sore spot for many fans.
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* AwardSnub: That The fact that Emmy Rossum hasn't won ''any'' awards for her portrayal of Fiona, nor even scored an Emmy nomination, is a sore spot for many fans.
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** Fiona's popularity dropped a lot in Seasons 4 and 5; even after she got her shit together after her nosedive in season four, her actions in season five led some fans to believe that she was turning into Frank, and that she was losing [[AllLovingHero all the qualities]] [[BigSisterInstinct that made audiences want to root for her]] in the earlier seasons; other fans thought it was an inevitable turn due to the massive stress brought on by [[ParentalSubstitute her responsibilities]] combined with the fact that she was still only in her early twenties.
*** Fiona became divisive once more in Season 7 after washing her hands of responsibility to the family, declaring that she's had enough of taking care of the kids, but then turns around and puts the house up for collateral to get a loan in order to purchase the laundromat, in the process consulting no one, even though the family was already homeless once and it was Carl who bought the house back. Her manipulation of Etta in order to quickly make something of herself, her frequent bickering with the rest of her family and V, and some downright uncharacteristically JerkAss episodes were all cited as criticisms against her arc during the season. This continues in Season 8 where she selfishly stops homeless and at risk youth from receiving housing simply because it would affect her property value.
*** Fiona became divisive once more in Season 7 after washing her hands of responsibility to the family, declaring that she's had enough of taking care of the kids, but then turns around and puts the house up for collateral to get a loan in order to purchase the laundromat, in the process consulting no one, even though the family was already homeless once and it was Carl who bought the house back. Her manipulation of Etta in order to quickly make something of herself, her frequent bickering with the rest of her family and V, and some downright uncharacteristically JerkAss episodes were all cited as criticisms against her arc during the season. This continues in Season 8 where she selfishly stops homeless and at risk youth from receiving housing simply because it would affect her property value.
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** Fiona's popularity dropped a lot in Seasons 4 and 5; even after she got her shit together after her nosedive in season four, Season 4, her actions in season five Season 5 led some fans to believe that she was turning into Frank, and that she was losing [[AllLovingHero all the qualities]] [[BigSisterInstinct that made audiences want to root for her]] in the earlier seasons; other fans thought it was an inevitable turn due to the massive stress brought on by [[ParentalSubstitute her responsibilities]] combined with the fact that she was still only in her early twenties.
*** Fiona became divisive once more in Season 7 after washing her hands of responsibility to thefamily, family and declaring that she's had enough of taking care of the kids, but then turns around and puts the house up for collateral to get a loan in order to purchase the laundromat, in the process consulting no one, even though the family was already homeless once and it was Carl who bought the house back. Her manipulation of Etta in order to quickly make something of herself, her frequent bickering with the rest of her family and V, and some downright uncharacteristically JerkAss episodes were all cited as criticisms against her arc during the season. This continues in Season 8 where she selfishly stops homeless and at risk youth from receiving housing simply because it would affect her property value.
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* GrowingTheBeard: Initially, the show wasn't warmly received due to being an American remake of a [[Series/ShamelessUK British comedy]] and its first few episodes were nearly identical echoes of the original British episodes. By the time the second season came along, it started finding more if its own distinct identity away from its parent show and gained stronger acclaim.
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* GrowingTheBeard: Initially, the show wasn't warmly received due to being an American remake of a [[Series/ShamelessUK British comedy]] and its first few episodes were [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks nearly identical echoes of the original British episodes.episodes]]. By the time the second season came along, it started finding more if its own distinct identity away from its parent show and gained stronger acclaim.
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* JerkassWoobie: Mandy and Mickey Milkovich both. Frank and Monica, horrible as they might be, have their moments as well.
** Fiona veers into this territory in season four when she goes off the deep end, [[spoiler:leading to Liam's hospitalization after he accidentally inhales her cocaine. Her rant to Lip about her being glad that "something's finally about [her]" (as she ponders trying to defend herself in court over the accident, which was completely her fault) is a rare moment of pure selfishness, but she's not incorrect.]] Fortunately, she "gets her shit together" by the end of the season.
** Fiona veers into this territory in season four when she goes off the deep end, [[spoiler:leading to Liam's hospitalization after he accidentally inhales her cocaine. Her rant to Lip about her being glad that "something's finally about [her]" (as she ponders trying to defend herself in court over the accident, which was completely her fault) is a rare moment of pure selfishness, but she's not incorrect.]] Fortunately, she "gets her shit together" by the end of the season.
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* JerkassWoobie: JerkassWoobie:
** Mandy and Mickey Milkovich both. They're both pretty sleazy, but their father Terry is no doubt even worse than Frank.
** Frank and Monica, horrible as they might be, have their moments as well.
** Fiona veers into this territory inseason four Season 4 when she goes off the deep end, [[spoiler:leading to Liam's hospitalization after he accidentally inhales her cocaine. Her rant to Lip about her being glad that "something's finally about [her]" (as she ponders trying to defend herself in court over the accident, which was completely her fault) is a rare moment of pure selfishness, but she's not incorrect.]] Fortunately, she "gets her shit together" by the end of the season.
** Mandy and Mickey Milkovich both. They're both pretty sleazy, but their father Terry is no doubt even worse than Frank.
** Frank and Monica, horrible as they might be, have their moments as well.
** Fiona veers into this territory in
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* NightmareFuel: [[spoiler:In ''[=NSFW=]'', Carl finding Nick after the latter beat a child to death with a hammer for stealing his bike is one of the most disturbing scenes of the show. The blood all over the hammer, steps, and Nick himself, the [[OneWomanWail anguished screams of the child's mother]], Carl looking into the house and then vomiting, and then plaintively asking Nick why he did it. And ''Nick himself doesn't even seem to know.'']]
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* NightmareFuel: [[spoiler:In ''[=NSFW=]'', NightmareFuel:
** In "NSFW", Carl finding Nick afterthe [[spoiler:the latter beat a child to death with a hammer for stealing his bike is one of the most disturbing scenes of the show. The blood all over the hammer, steps, and Nick himself, the [[OneWomanWail anguished screams of the child's mother]], Carl looking into the house and then vomiting, and then plaintively asking Nick why he did it. And ''Nick himself doesn't even seem to know.'']]
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** Trevor has been getting this treatment as well in season seven, with many fans disappointed that the show introduced a trans character whose writing gives little to no insight to his personality, hobbies, or characterization outside of his identity, and are ''still'' waiting and hoping for Mickey to make a return. [[spoiler:That Mickey was shown escaping in "Ouroboros" has fans begging for it to be an opportunity to drop Trevor and were disappointed when he didn't.]]
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** Trevor has been getting this treatment as well in season seven, Season 7, with many fans disappointed that the show introduced a trans character whose writing gives little to no insight to his personality, hobbies, or characterization outside of his identity, and are ''still'' waiting and hoping for Mickey to make a return. [[spoiler:That Mickey was shown escaping in "Ouroboros" has fans begging for it to be an opportunity to drop Trevor and were disappointed when he didn't.]]
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** Debbie's popularity already took a hit since she hit puberty in Season 4, but the drop-off was especially significant in Season 6. [[spoiler:She deliberately gets pregnant, ignores Fiona's warnings/pleas to get rid of the baby, and refuses to accept the consequences of her actions or even take help from Fiona (who was proven right about Debbie not being ready to take care of a baby). And even after Franny is born, she succeeds on pure luck and is handed almost as many opportunities to succeed by the writers as Frank does.]] By Season 7, she consistently rates as being the least-liked character on the show.
* SeasonalRot: After a score of high-quality seasons, season five was considered one of the weakest seasons of the show, especially in terms of writing. [[spoiler:Bringing Steve/Jimmy back was an especially high point of contention, and is often criticized for being a contrived and pointless arc that was never going to go anywhere.]] The sixth and seventh seasons were marginally better received, only for the eighth season to be met with apathy and criticisms that neither the season nor the characters really went anywhere.
* SeasonalRot: After a score of high-quality seasons, season five was considered one of the weakest seasons of the show, especially in terms of writing. [[spoiler:Bringing Steve/Jimmy back was an especially high point of contention, and is often criticized for being a contrived and pointless arc that was never going to go anywhere.]] The sixth and seventh seasons were marginally better received, only for the eighth season to be met with apathy and criticisms that neither the season nor the characters really went anywhere.
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** Debbie's popularity already took a hit since she hit puberty in Season 4, but the drop-off was especially significant in Season 6. [[spoiler:She deliberately gets pregnant, pregnant in a misguided attempt to keep her boyfriend with her, decides to keep it even after he's ditched her, ignores Fiona's warnings/pleas to get rid of the baby, warnings that she's making a really bad decision, and refuses to accept the consequences of her actions or even take help from Fiona (who was proven right about Debbie not being ready to take care of a baby). And even after Franny is born, she succeeds on pure luck and is handed almost as many opportunities to succeed by the writers as Frank does.]] By Season 7, she consistently rates as being the least-liked character on the show.
* SeasonalRot: After a score of high-quality seasons,season five Season 5 was considered one of the weakest seasons of the show, especially in terms of writing. [[spoiler:Bringing Steve/Jimmy back was an especially high point of contention, and is often criticized for being a contrived and pointless arc that was never going to go anywhere.]] The sixth and seventh seasons were marginally better received, only for the eighth season to be met with apathy and criticisms that neither the season nor the characters really went anywhere.
* SeasonalRot: After a score of high-quality seasons,
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* TheWoobie: All the Gallagher siblings can be this, but especially Fiona and Debbie.
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** All the Gallagher siblings can be this, but especially Fiona and Debbie.
** All the Gallagher siblings can be this, but especially Fiona and Debbie.
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* AcceptableTargets: This show sure does love to play DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale for laughs....several times.
** And Frank basically deserves everything he gets so he's the designated butt monkey for the majority of the show
** And Frank basically deserves everything he gets so he's the designated butt monkey for the majority of the show
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* AcceptableTargets: This show sure does love to play DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale for laughs....laughs... several times.
** And Frank basically deserves everything he gets so he's the designated butt monkey for the majority of theshowshow.
** And Frank basically deserves everything he gets so he's the designated butt monkey for the majority of the
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* GrowingTheBeard: Initially, the show wasn't warmly received due to being an American remake of a [[Series/ShamelessUK British comedy]] and its first few episodes were nearly identical echoes of the original British episodes. By the time the second season came along, it started finding more if its own distinct identity away from its parent show and gained stronger acclaim.
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Cleaning up Cerberus Syndrome in preparation for its cut.
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* EnsembleDarkHorse: Svetlana. Just Svetlana. Course, rude, and one of the funniest characters as the show increasingly embraces CerberusSyndrome.
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** Svetlana.Just Svetlana. Course, Coarse, rude, and one of the funniest characters as the show increasingly embraces CerberusSyndrome.CerebusSyndrome.
** Svetlana.
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** Steve/Jimmy can also be pretty divisive among fans; some think that because he's a rich, privileged, masterful car thief with lots of connections who also is involved with mob activity takes away from the comparatively grounded story of the Gallaghers just trying to get by, and his putting Fiona on a pedestal while not accepting that she and the kids are a package deal is grating. Others love his character and firmly believe that he and Fiona belong together, and he at least cares about making sure Fiona has a life outside of being a surrogate parent. [[spoiler:His being brought back in season five resulted in a similar BrokenBase.]]
** Fiona's popularity dropped a lot in seasons four and five; even after she got her shit together after her nosedive in season four, her actions in season five led some fans to believe that she was turning into Frank, and that she was losing [[AllLovingHero all the qualities]] [[BigSisterInstinct that made audiences want to root for her]] in the earlier seasons; other fans thought it was an inevitable turn due to the massive stress brought on by [[ParentalSubstitute her responsibilities]] combined with the fact that she was still only in her early twenties.
*** Fiona became divisive once more in season seven after washing her hands of responsibility to the family, declaring that she's had enough of taking care of the kids, but then turns around and puts the house up for collateral to get a loan in order to purchase the laundromat, in the process consulting no one, even though the family was already homeless once and it was Carl who bought the house back. Her manipulation of Etta in order to quickly make something of herself, her frequent bickering with the rest of her family and V, and some downright uncharacteristically JerkAss episodes were all cited as criticisms against her arc during the season. This continues in season 8 where she selfishly stops homeless and at risk youth from receiving housing simply because it would affect her property value.
** Fiona's popularity dropped a lot in seasons four and five; even after she got her shit together after her nosedive in season four, her actions in season five led some fans to believe that she was turning into Frank, and that she was losing [[AllLovingHero all the qualities]] [[BigSisterInstinct that made audiences want to root for her]] in the earlier seasons; other fans thought it was an inevitable turn due to the massive stress brought on by [[ParentalSubstitute her responsibilities]] combined with the fact that she was still only in her early twenties.
*** Fiona became divisive once more in season seven after washing her hands of responsibility to the family, declaring that she's had enough of taking care of the kids, but then turns around and puts the house up for collateral to get a loan in order to purchase the laundromat, in the process consulting no one, even though the family was already homeless once and it was Carl who bought the house back. Her manipulation of Etta in order to quickly make something of herself, her frequent bickering with the rest of her family and V, and some downright uncharacteristically JerkAss episodes were all cited as criticisms against her arc during the season. This continues in season 8 where she selfishly stops homeless and at risk youth from receiving housing simply because it would affect her property value.
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** Steve/Jimmy can also be pretty divisive among fans; some think that because he's a rich, privileged, masterful car thief with lots of connections who also is involved with mob activity takes away from the comparatively grounded story of the Gallaghers just trying to get by, and his putting Fiona on a pedestal while not accepting that she and the kids are a package deal is grating. Others love his character and firmly believe that he and Fiona belong together, and he at least cares about making sure Fiona has a life outside of being a surrogate parent. [[spoiler:His being brought back for a brief arc in season five Season 5 resulted in a similar BrokenBase.]]
** Fiona's popularity dropped a lot inseasons four Seasons 4 and five; 5; even after she got her shit together after her nosedive in season four, her actions in season five led some fans to believe that she was turning into Frank, and that she was losing [[AllLovingHero all the qualities]] [[BigSisterInstinct that made audiences want to root for her]] in the earlier seasons; other fans thought it was an inevitable turn due to the massive stress brought on by [[ParentalSubstitute her responsibilities]] combined with the fact that she was still only in her early twenties.
*** Fiona became divisive once more inseason seven Season 7 after washing her hands of responsibility to the family, declaring that she's had enough of taking care of the kids, but then turns around and puts the house up for collateral to get a loan in order to purchase the laundromat, in the process consulting no one, even though the family was already homeless once and it was Carl who bought the house back. Her manipulation of Etta in order to quickly make something of herself, her frequent bickering with the rest of her family and V, and some downright uncharacteristically JerkAss episodes were all cited as criticisms against her arc during the season. This continues in season Season 8 where she selfishly stops homeless and at risk youth from receiving housing simply because it would affect her property value.
** Fiona's popularity dropped a lot in
*** Fiona became divisive once more in
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* BrokenBase: [[spoiler:Bringing Jimmy/Steve for a brief story line in season five. Some were ecstatic to see his return and to have closure on his and Fiona's relationship, while others felt it was a forced and pointless arc for drama that only serves to derail Fiona's attempts to stay on the right track.]]
* CerebusSyndrome: Though comedic aspects are certainly present in later seasons, the show becomes a much more serious drama in season four, to the point where it can be hard justifying the showmaker's decision to submit the series as a comedy for award consideration.
* CrossesTheLineTwice: Kev and Veronica's slavery-themed porn.
* CerebusSyndrome: Though comedic aspects are certainly present in later seasons, the show becomes a much more serious drama in season four, to the point where it can be hard justifying the showmaker's decision to submit the series as a comedy for award consideration.
* CrossesTheLineTwice: Kev and Veronica's slavery-themed porn.
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* BrokenBase: [[spoiler:Bringing Jimmy/Steve for a brief story line storyline in season five.Season 5. Some were ecstatic to see his return and to have closure on his and Fiona's relationship, while others felt it was a forced and pointless arc for drama that only serves to derail Fiona's attempts to stay on the right track.]]
* CerebusSyndrome: Though comedic aspects are certainly present in later seasons, the show becomes a much more serious drama inseason four, Season 4, to the point where it can be hard justifying the showmaker's decision to submit the series as a comedy for award consideration.
* CrossesTheLineTwice: Naturally, given this show is a BlackComedy.
** Kev and Veronica's slavery-themed porn.
* CerebusSyndrome: Though comedic aspects are certainly present in later seasons, the show becomes a much more serious drama in
* CrossesTheLineTwice: Naturally, given this show is a BlackComedy.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The viewer is meant to feel bad for Debbie as she struggles to find ways to earn money while taking care of Franny on her own (with Fiona coldly refusing to help look after Franny), and Ian and Lip even both accuse Fiona of being too hard on Debbie when Fiona threatens to kick Debbie out of the house for not pulling her weight. But many argue that Fiona was extremely clear with Debbie during the latter's pregnancy that she was not going to support what she considered a bad decision and was not going to be responsible for the baby, and Debbie's lackluster attempts at finding honest work (a single Dunkin Donuts interview), choosing instead to either demand Fiona give her a job (while refusing to take orders from her) or steal from mothers at the park, didn't quite endear her to the viewers. It didn't help that Debbie's reputation with many viewers as TheScrappy was already longstanding by season seven.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The viewer is meant to feel bad for Debbie in Season 7 as she struggles to find ways to earn money while taking care of Franny on her own (with Fiona coldly refusing to help look after Franny), and Ian and Lip even both accuse Fiona of being too hard on Debbie when Fiona threatens to kick Debbie out of the house for not pulling her weight. But many argue that Fiona was extremely clear with Debbie during the latter's pregnancy that she was not going to support what she considered a bad decision and was not going to be responsible for the baby, and Debbie's lackluster attempts at finding honest work (a single Dunkin Donuts interview), choosing instead to either demand Fiona give her a job (while refusing to take orders from her) her), trying to find a boyfriend, or steal from mothers at the park, didn't quite endear her to the viewers. It didn't help that Debbie's reputation with many viewers as TheScrappy was already longstanding by season seven.then.
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** Sammi has already had multiple KickTheDog moments, but she crosses the horizon in the final scene of "South Side Rules" by [[spoiler:having Ian taken to jail just when he was starting to make headway with his life and preparing for his first date with Mickey. She did this in revenge for Chuckie's incarceration, [[MisplacedRetribution which wasn't Ian's fault]], but he presented an opportunity for her to get a loved one taken away from the Gallaghers just as Chuckie was taken away from her.]]
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** Sammi has already had multiple KickTheDog moments, but she crosses the horizon in the final scene of "South Side Rules" by [[spoiler:having Ian taken to jail just when he was starting to make headway with his life and preparing for his first date with Mickey. She did this in revenge for Chuckie's incarceration, [[MisplacedRetribution which wasn't Ian's fault]], Ian had nothing to do with]], but he presented an opportunity for her to get a loved one taken away from the Gallaghers just as Chuckie was taken away from her.]]
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** Karen, for being overall nasty and selfish.
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** Karen, for being overall nasty [[BitchInSheepsClothing nasty]], [[ManipulativeBitch manipulative]] and selfish.[[ItsAllAboutMe selfish]].
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** '''Sammi'''. While she was more or less enjoyable during Season 4, in Season 5 alone she has become even [[UpToEleven more horrible]] than Frank. She manages to [[spoiler:get Carl and Ian arrested (the latter of which was completely uncalled for on her end), as well as tattooing a swastika into her son's forhead so he would not get beaten up in juvie hall.]] While Frank is a horrible parent, he can occasionally make up for it by still being caring at times. Sammi is shown to be one horrible woman, who doesn't realize it and is called out for it.
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** '''Sammi'''. While she was more or less enjoyable during Season 4, in Season 5 alone alone, she has become even [[UpToEleven more horrible]] than Frank. She manages to [[spoiler:get Carl and Ian arrested (the latter of which was completely uncalled for on her end), as well as tattooing a swastika into her son's forhead forehead so he would not get beaten up in juvie hall.]] While Frank is a horrible parent, he can occasionally make up for it by still being caring at times. Sammi is shown to be one horrible woman, woman who doesn't realize it and is called out for it.care who she screws over to get what she wants.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The viewer is meant to side with Debbie as she struggles to find ways to earn money while taking care of Franny, with Fiona coldly dismissing her demands for help; Ian and Lip both accuse Fiona of being "cunt-y" when Fiona even threatens to kick Debbie out of the house for not pulling her weight. But many argue that Fiona was extremely clear with Debbie during the latter's pregnancy that she was not going to support what she considered a bad decision and was not going to be responsible for the baby, and Debbie's lackluster attempts at finding honest work (a single Dunkin Donuts interview), choosing instead to either demand Fiona give her a job (while refusing to take orders from her) or steal from mothers at the park, didn't quite endear herself to others. It didn't help that Debbie's reputation with many viewers as TheScrappy was already longstanding by season seven.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The viewer is meant to side with feel bad for Debbie as she struggles to find ways to earn money while taking care of Franny, with Franny on her own (with Fiona coldly dismissing her demands for help; refusing to help look after Franny), and Ian and Lip even both accuse Fiona of being "cunt-y" too hard on Debbie when Fiona even threatens to kick Debbie out of the house for not pulling her weight. But many argue that Fiona was extremely clear with Debbie during the latter's pregnancy that she was not going to support what she considered a bad decision and was not going to be responsible for the baby, and Debbie's lackluster attempts at finding honest work (a single Dunkin Donuts interview), choosing instead to either demand Fiona give her a job (while refusing to take orders from her) or steal from mothers at the park, didn't quite endear herself her to others.the viewers. It didn't help that Debbie's reputation with many viewers as TheScrappy was already longstanding by season seven.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: By Season 7, the CerebusSyndrome combined with so many instances of the Gallaghers being offered good opportunities and chances only for them to screw it all up and [[StatusQuoIsGod go back to their usual ways]] can lead to this. The little progress they do make just barely keeps the show from being too depressing to watch.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: By Season 7, the CerebusSyndrome combined with so many instances of the Gallaghers being offered good opportunities and chances only for them to screw it all up and [[StatusQuoIsGod go back to their usual ways]] can lead to this. The little progress they do ''do'' make just barely keeps the show from being too depressing to watch.
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* DisproportionateRetribution: In ''I'm the Liver,'' Fiona doesn't get a tip from a pair of obese and somewhat impolite customers. She chases them out the door demanding to know where her tip is, insulting their weight and diet. When she's slapped by the wife, [[SleepingWithTheBoss Sean]] defends her, tells them they're not allowed back at his restaurant, forces the male half of the pair to apologize, assaults him, and threatens him. The guy was a FatBastard, but considering Fiona was hustling good money (including regular hundred-dollar tips from an apparent admirer) and is used to polite customers, a bad experience hardly warranted the extreme reaction. Most egregious is that that sort of a behavior would have gotten any other waitress fired, but Fiona gets away with it because [[OfficeRomance the boss likes her]].
* DracoInLeatherPants: [[EnsembleDarkhorse Mickey]] gets great character development and genuinely cares about Ian, but to some fans it's like he's never done anything wrong in his entire time on the shown.
* DracoInLeatherPants: [[EnsembleDarkhorse Mickey]] gets great character development and genuinely cares about Ian, but to some fans it's like he's never done anything wrong in his entire time on the shown.
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** Carl, starting around Season 5 when he started to get his own story-lines and CharacterDevelopment.
** Mickey. Go to any video about Shameless on Website/YouTube and you'll see comments asking where Mickey is or demanding his return to the show.
** Mickey. Go to any video about Shameless on Website/YouTube and you'll see comments asking where Mickey is or demanding his return to the show.
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** Carl, starting around Season 5 when he started to get his own story-lines storylines and CharacterDevelopment.
** Mickey. Go to any video aboutShameless ''Shameless'' on Website/YouTube and you'll see comments asking where Mickey is or demanding his return to the show.
** Mickey. Go to any video about
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** Frank though seemed to be pushing it even further when [[spoiler:he attacked Ian for no good reason in the season finale of Season 2]], after saying the beer was his. However, going by the previous scene before with [[spoiler:Monica had just left for the umpteenth time]], Frank's action of wanting to go and get drunk is reasonable but [[spoiler:hitting and trying hurt Ian]] was still heinous.
*** Of course, [[spoiler: Ian]] really should have expected what was coming, trying to take away beer(that legally can't be his in the first place) from his emotionally unstable alcoholic father. Frank's reaction was uncalled for, but [[spoiler: Ian]] did instigate the physical confrontation, and really, he could have defended himself if he had chosen to.
** It wasn't even the first time he physically abused Ian. In episode two, he broke his nose for asking him about his shirt, and then kicked Steve out for calling him out on it.
*** Of course, [[spoiler: Ian]] really should have expected what was coming, trying to take away beer(that legally can't be his in the first place) from his emotionally unstable alcoholic father. Frank's reaction was uncalled for, but [[spoiler: Ian]] did instigate the physical confrontation, and really, he could have defended himself if he had chosen to.
** It wasn't even the first time he physically abused Ian. In episode two, he broke his nose for asking him about his shirt, and then kicked Steve out for calling him out on it.
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** Frank though seemed to be pushing it even further when [[spoiler:he attacked Ian for no good reason in the season finale of Season 2]], after saying the beer was his. However, going by the previous scene before with [[spoiler:Monica had just left for the umpteenth time]], Frank's action of wanting to go and get drunk is reasonable but [[spoiler:hitting and trying hurt Ian]] was still heinous.
***Of course, [[spoiler: Ian]] really should have expected what was coming, trying to take away beer(that legally can't be his in the first place) from his emotionally unstable alcoholic father. Frank's reaction was uncalled for, but [[spoiler: Ian]] did instigate the physical confrontation, and really, he could have defended himself if he had chosen to.
** ItAnd that wasn't even the first time he physically abused Ian. In episode two, he broke his nose for asking him about his shirt, and then kicked Steve out for calling him out on it.
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** Terry Milkovich has crosses the line so many times, its hard to target the precise moment of his MEH. [[spoiler:Beating his own son up because he is gay, forcing a hooker to have sex with him, and later, its established he screwed his daughter one night in a drunken state, causing her to become pregnant counts.]] However, the real kick in the ass happens in Season 4's "Emily" where he outright tries to murder Mickey after he came out of the closet. If it wasn't for Ian, his father would have surely murdered Mickey.
** Sammi has already had multiple KickTheDog moments, but she crosses the horizon in the final scene of Episode 5x10 by [[spoiler:having Ian taken to jail just when he was starting to make headway with his life and preparing for his first date with Mickey. She did this in revenge for Chuckie's incarceration, which wasn't Ian's fault, but he presented an opportunity for her to get a loved one taken away just as Chuckie was taken away from her.]]
** The Season 6 finale really removed any good karma Frank built up with Debbie. He crashes Fiona and Sean's wedding to air out all the Gallagher's faults. He drops a bomb by saying Sean [[spoiler: is doing heroin again.]] TheStinger has all of the Gallaghers, Kevin, Veronica and Svetlana dumping Frank off a bridge into the river.
** Sammi has already had multiple KickTheDog moments, but she crosses the horizon in the final scene of Episode 5x10 by [[spoiler:having Ian taken to jail just when he was starting to make headway with his life and preparing for his first date with Mickey. She did this in revenge for Chuckie's incarceration, which wasn't Ian's fault, but he presented an opportunity for her to get a loved one taken away just as Chuckie was taken away from her.]]
** The Season 6 finale really removed any good karma Frank built up with Debbie. He crashes Fiona and Sean's wedding to air out all the Gallagher's faults. He drops a bomb by saying Sean [[spoiler: is doing heroin again.]] TheStinger has all of the Gallaghers, Kevin, Veronica and Svetlana dumping Frank off a bridge into the river.
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** Terry Milkovich has crosses the line so many times, its hard to target the precise moment of his MEH. [[spoiler:Beating his own son up because he is gay, forcing a hooker to have sex with him, and later, its it's established he screwed his daughter one night in a drunken state, causing her to become pregnant counts.all count.]] However, the real kick in the ass happens in Season 4's "Emily" where he outright tries to murder Mickey after he came out of the closet. If it wasn't for Ian, his father Terry would have surely murdered Mickey.
** Sammi has already had multiple KickTheDog moments, but she crosses the horizon in the final scene ofEpisode 5x10 "South Side Rules" by [[spoiler:having Ian taken to jail just when he was starting to make headway with his life and preparing for his first date with Mickey. She did this in revenge for Chuckie's incarceration, [[MisplacedRetribution which wasn't Ian's fault, fault]], but he presented an opportunity for her to get a loved one taken away from the Gallaghers just as Chuckie was taken away from her.]]
** The Season 6 finale really removed any good karma Frank built up with Debbie. He crashes Fiona and Sean's wedding to air out all the Gallagher's faults. He drops a bomb by saying Sean[[spoiler: is [[spoiler:is doing heroin again.]] TheStinger has all of the Gallaghers, Kevin, Veronica and Svetlana dumping Frank off a bridge into the river.
** Sammi has already had multiple KickTheDog moments, but she crosses the horizon in the final scene of
** The Season 6 finale really removed any good karma Frank built up with Debbie. He crashes Fiona and Sean's wedding to air out all the Gallagher's faults. He drops a bomb by saying Sean
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** While it's PlayedForLaughs , Sheila's agoraphobia is gut-wrenching, especially once she starts making progress... and then a giant wheel falls out of the sky right in front of her, sending her back to her bedroom for several episodes.
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** Trevor has been getting this treatment as well in season seven, with many fans disappointed that the show introduced a trans character whose writing gives little to no insight to his personality, hobbies, or characterization outside of his identity, and are ''still'' waiting and hoping for Mickey to make a return. [[spoiler:That Mickey was shown escaping in ''Ouroboros'' has fans begging for it to be an opportunity to drop Trevor and were disappointed when he didn't.]]
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** Trevor has been getting this treatment as well in season seven, with many fans disappointed that the show introduced a trans character whose writing gives little to no insight to his personality, hobbies, or characterization outside of his identity, and are ''still'' waiting and hoping for Mickey to make a return. [[spoiler:That Mickey was shown escaping in ''Ouroboros'' "Ouroboros" has fans begging for it to be an opportunity to drop Trevor and were disappointed when he didn't.]]
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** Frank, who at times, can be very hated due to his selfish actions that causes a lot of negative repercussions and no accountability from him.
** '''Sammi'''. While she seemed more or less enjoyable during Season 4, in Season 5 alone she has become even [[UpToEleven more horrible]] than Frank. She manages to [[spoiler:get Carl arrested, then in the process, uses her son to become a Nazi so he would not have get beaten up in juvie hall.]] While Frank is a horrible parent, he can still make up for it by still being caring at times. Sammi is shown to be one horrible woman, who doesn't realize it and is called out for it.
** Debbie's popularity already took a hit since she hit puberty in Season 4, but she has gone significantly down in popularity since Season 6. [[spoiler: She deliberately gets pregnant, ignores Fiona's warnings/pleas to get rid of the baby, and refuses to accept the consequences of her actions or even take help from Fiona (who was proven right about Debbie not being ready to take care of a baby). And even after Franny is born, she succeeds on pure luck and is handed almost as many opportunities to succeed by the writers as Frank does.]] By Season 7, she consistently rates as being the least-liked character on the show.
** '''Sammi'''. While she seemed more or less enjoyable during Season 4, in Season 5 alone she has become even [[UpToEleven more horrible]] than Frank. She manages to [[spoiler:get Carl arrested, then in the process, uses her son to become a Nazi so he would not have get beaten up in juvie hall.]] While Frank is a horrible parent, he can still make up for it by still being caring at times. Sammi is shown to be one horrible woman, who doesn't realize it and is called out for it.
** Debbie's popularity already took a hit since she hit puberty in Season 4, but she has gone significantly down in popularity since Season 6. [[spoiler: She deliberately gets pregnant, ignores Fiona's warnings/pleas to get rid of the baby, and refuses to accept the consequences of her actions or even take help from Fiona (who was proven right about Debbie not being ready to take care of a baby). And even after Franny is born, she succeeds on pure luck and is handed almost as many opportunities to succeed by the writers as Frank does.]] By Season 7, she consistently rates as being the least-liked character on the show.
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** Frank, who at times, can be very hated due to his horribly selfish actions that causes a lot lead to all kinds of negative repercussions for others and no accountability from him.
his utter lack of any repentance.
** '''Sammi'''. While sheseemed was more or less enjoyable during Season 4, in Season 5 alone she has become even [[UpToEleven more horrible]] than Frank. She manages to [[spoiler:get Carl arrested, then in the process, uses and Ian arrested (the latter of which was completely uncalled for on her son to become end), as well as tattooing a Nazi swastika into her son's forhead so he would not have get beaten up in juvie hall.]] While Frank is a horrible parent, he can still occasionally make up for it by still being caring at times. Sammi is shown to be one horrible woman, who doesn't realize it and is called out for it.
** Debbie's popularity already took a hit since she hit puberty in Season 4, butshe has gone significantly down the drop-off was especially significant in popularity since Season 6. [[spoiler: She [[spoiler:She deliberately gets pregnant, ignores Fiona's warnings/pleas to get rid of the baby, and refuses to accept the consequences of her actions or even take help from Fiona (who was proven right about Debbie not being ready to take care of a baby). And even after Franny is born, she succeeds on pure luck and is handed almost as many opportunities to succeed by the writers as Frank does.]] By Season 7, she consistently rates as being the least-liked character on the show.
** '''Sammi'''. While she
** Debbie's popularity already took a hit since she hit puberty in Season 4, but
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* SpecialEffectFailure: The obvious and poorly-composited green screen that Steve stands in front of at the end of ''I'll Light a Candle For You Every Day'' has been singled out for being pretty horrible.
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* SpecialEffectFailure: The obvious and poorly-composited green screen that Steve stands in front of at the end of ''I'll "I'll Light a Candle For You Every Day'' Day" has been singled out for being pretty horrible.
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** It's unanimously agreed upon that Frank is a horrible person, but there's a split between people who think he's one of the most consistently interesting, complex, and [[BlackComedy entertaining]] characters on the show (if not all of TV in general) in spite of (or perhaps ''because'' of) his massive faults, and those who think he's an utterly irredeemable JerkAss whose propensity for being a KarmaHoudini really stretches WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief.
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** It's unanimously agreed upon that Frank is a horrible person, but there's a split between people who think he's one of the most consistently interesting, complex, and [[BlackComedy entertaining]] characters on the show (if not all of TV in general) in spite of (or perhaps ''because'' ''[[LoveToHate because]]'' of) his massive faults, and those who think he's an utterly irredeemable JerkAss whose propensity for being a KarmaHoudini really stretches WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief.
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* LoveToHate: Frank is a horrible person, but he's just so darned pathetic and Creator/WilliamHMacy plays him so perfectly, it's hard to not feel invested in him.
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** It's unanimously agreed upon that Frank is a horrible person, but there's a split between people who think he's one of the most consistently interesting, complex, and [[BlackComedy entertaining]] characters on the show in spite of (or perhaps ''because'' of) his massive faults, and those who think he's TheScrappy whose propensity for being a KarmaHoudini really stretches WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief.
** Steve can also be pretty divisive among fans; some think that because he's a rich, privileged, masterful car thief with lots of connections who also is involved with mob activity takes away from the comparatively grounded story of the Gallaghers just trying to get by, and his putting Fiona on a pedestal while not accepting that she and the kids are a package deal is grating. Others love his character and firmly believe that he and Fiona belong together, and he at least cares about making sure Fiona has a life outside of being a surrogate parent. [[spoiler:His being brought back in season five resulted in a similar BrokenBase.]]
** Steve can also be pretty divisive among fans; some think that because he's a rich, privileged, masterful car thief with lots of connections who also is involved with mob activity takes away from the comparatively grounded story of the Gallaghers just trying to get by, and his putting Fiona on a pedestal while not accepting that she and the kids are a package deal is grating. Others love his character and firmly believe that he and Fiona belong together, and he at least cares about making sure Fiona has a life outside of being a surrogate parent. [[spoiler:His being brought back in season five resulted in a similar BrokenBase.]]
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** It's unanimously agreed upon that Frank is a horrible person, but there's a split between people who think he's one of the most consistently interesting, complex, and [[BlackComedy entertaining]] characters on the show (if not all of TV in general) in spite of (or perhaps ''because'' of) his massive faults, and those who think he's TheScrappy an utterly irredeemable JerkAss whose propensity for being a KarmaHoudini really stretches WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief.
**Steve Steve/Jimmy can also be pretty divisive among fans; some think that because he's a rich, privileged, masterful car thief with lots of connections who also is involved with mob activity takes away from the comparatively grounded story of the Gallaghers just trying to get by, and his putting Fiona on a pedestal while not accepting that she and the kids are a package deal is grating. Others love his character and firmly believe that he and Fiona belong together, and he at least cares about making sure Fiona has a life outside of being a surrogate parent. [[spoiler:His being brought back in season five resulted in a similar BrokenBase.]]
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** Steve can also be pretty divisive among fans; some think that because he's a rich, privileged, masterful car thief with lots of connections who also is involved with mob activity takes away from the comparatively grounded story of the Gallaghers just trying to get by, and his putting Fiona on a pedestal while not accepting that she and the kids are a package deal is grating. Others love his character and firmly believe that he and Fiona belong together, and he at least cares about making sure Fiona has a life outside of being a surrogate parent. [[spoiler:His being brought back in season five results in a similar BrokenBase.]]
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** Steve can also be pretty divisive among fans; some think that because he's a rich, privileged, masterful car thief with lots of connections who also is involved with mob activity takes away from the comparatively grounded story of the Gallaghers just trying to get by, and his putting Fiona on a pedestal while not accepting that she and the kids are a package deal is grating. Others love his character and firmly believe that he and Fiona belong together, and he at least cares about making sure Fiona has a life outside of being a surrogate parent. [[spoiler:His being brought back in season five results resulted in a similar BrokenBase.]]
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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Kev and Veronica's "slave sex tapes".
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** Sammi's... colorful instructions to Chuckie regarding juvie guards in ''Carl's First Sentencing.''
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* DieForOurShip: Pretty much anyone who gets in the way of Mickey and Ian gets torn down by the fans who ship them.
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* HollywoodHomely : The way the guys in the bar talk about "Butterface" you'd expect much worse.
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* HollywoodHomely : HollywoodHomely: The way the guys in the bar talk about "Butterface" "Butterface", you'd expect much worse.
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** Fiona veers into this territory in season four when she goes off the deep end, [[spoiler:leading to Liam's hospitalization after he accidentally inhales her cocaine. Her rant to Lip about her being glad that "something's finally about her" (as she ponders trying to defend herself in court over the accident, which was completely her fault) is a rare moment of pure selfishness, but she's not incorrect.]] Fortunately, she "gets her shit together" by the end of the season.
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** Fiona veers into this territory in season four when she goes off the deep end, [[spoiler:leading to Liam's hospitalization after he accidentally inhales her cocaine. Her rant to Lip about her being glad that "something's finally about her" [her]" (as she ponders trying to defend herself in court over the accident, which was completely her fault) is a rare moment of pure selfishness, but she's not incorrect.]] Fortunately, she "gets her shit together" by the end of the season.
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* ReplacementScrappy: Caleb [[spoiler: for Mickey]]. Fan reaction against him was guaranteed from the start. But the perception that the relationship is leading to [[spoiler: shitting all over Mickey and painting Ian as totally innocent in their break up.]]
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* ReplacementScrappy: Caleb [[spoiler: for [[spoiler:for Mickey]]. Fan reaction against him was guaranteed from the start. But the perception that the relationship is leading to [[spoiler: shitting all over Mickey and painting Ian as totally innocent in their break up.]]
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* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct She Really Can Act: The series really turned around critical opinion of Emmy Rossum.
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* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct She Really Can Act: SugarWiki/SheReallyCanAct: The series really turned around critical opinion of Emmy Rossum.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Though the girl who gives Fiona's laundromat a bad Yelp review in ''Ouroborous'' is portrayed as an upper-class hipster "dumping" on Fiona's investment, it can be ''really'' hard to side with Fiona given that the purchase of the laundromat was already shown to be an extremely risky, myopic decision criticized by most of her family, and the girl wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary -- and certainly didn't know Fiona's life story before the latter humiliated her on a date, smashed food all over her a shirt, and drove her from the diner in tears. And this is supposed to be an [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality celebratory moment]] for Fiona.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Though the girl who gives Fiona's laundromat a bad Yelp review in ''Ouroborous'' "Ouroborous" is portrayed as an upper-class hipster "dumping" on Fiona's investment, it can be ''really'' hard to side with Fiona given that the purchase of the laundromat was already shown to be an extremely risky, myopic decision criticized by most of her family, and the girl wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary -- and certainly didn't know Fiona's life story before the latter humiliated her on a date, smashed food all over her a shirt, and drove her from the diner in tears. And this is supposed to be an [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality celebratory moment]] for Fiona.
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** Mickey. Go to any video about Shameless on YouTube and you'll see comments asking where Mickey is or demanding his return to the show.
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** Mickey. Go to any video about Shameless on YouTube Website/YouTube and you'll see comments asking where Mickey is or demanding his return to the show.
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* [[HeReallyCanAct She Really Can Act]]: The series really turned around critical opinion of Emmy Rossum.
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* [[HeReallyCanAct SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct She Really Can Act]]: Act: The series really turned around critical opinion of Emmy Rossum.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Pretty much everyone agrees that Frank is a horrible person, but there's a split between people who think he's one of the most consistently interesting, complex, and [[BlackComedy entertaining]] characters on the show in spite of (or because of) his massive faults, and those who think he's TheScrappy whose propensity for being a KarmaHoudini is almost jump-the-shark levels of unbelievable, even for the show.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Pretty much everyone agrees BaseBreakingCharacter:
** It's unanimously agreed upon that Frank is a horrible person, but there's a split between people who think he's one of the most consistently interesting, complex, and [[BlackComedy entertaining]] characters on the show in spite of (orbecause perhaps ''because'' of) his massive faults, and those who think he's TheScrappy whose propensity for being a KarmaHoudini is almost jump-the-shark levels of unbelievable, even for the show.really stretches WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief.
** It's unanimously agreed upon that Frank is a horrible person, but there's a split between people who think he's one of the most consistently interesting, complex, and [[BlackComedy entertaining]] characters on the show in spite of (or
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** Kash leaving behind his wife (who is bedridden and ''pregnant''), children, and the store to run off with his new lover in Season 2. While his unhappiness was understandable, his actions are still no less despicable.
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** Trevor has been getting this treatment as well in season seven, with many fans disappointed that the show introduced a trans characater whose writing gives little to no insight to his personality, hobbies, or characterization outside of his identity, and are ''still'' waiting and hoping for Mickey to make a return. [[spoiler:That Mickey was shown escaping in ''Ouroboros'' has fans begging for it to be an opportunity to drop Trevor and were disappointed when he didn't.]]
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** Trevor has been getting this treatment as well in season seven, with many fans disappointed that the show introduced a trans characater character whose writing gives little to no insight to his personality, hobbies, or characterization outside of his identity, and are ''still'' waiting and hoping for Mickey to make a return. [[spoiler:That Mickey was shown escaping in ''Ouroboros'' has fans begging for it to be an opportunity to drop Trevor and were disappointed when he didn't.]]
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* TheScrappy: For a show like Shameless, there are a quite a few characters that are hated.
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* TheScrappy: For a show like Shameless, ''Shameless'', there are a quite a few characters that are hated.
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** Frank, who at times, can be very hated due to his selfish actions that causes a lot of repercussions and no accountability from him.
** And most recently, '''Sammi'''. While she seemed more or less enjoyable during Season 4, in Season 5 alone she has become even [[UpToEleven more horrible]] than Frank. She manages to [[spoiler:get Carl arrested, then in the process, uses her son to become a Nazi so he would not have get beaten up in juvie hall.]] While Frank is a horrible parent, he can still make up for it by still being caring at times. Sammi is shown to be one horrible woman, who doesn't realize it and is called out for it.
** And most recently, '''Sammi'''. While she seemed more or less enjoyable during Season 4, in Season 5 alone she has become even [[UpToEleven more horrible]] than Frank. She manages to [[spoiler:get Carl arrested, then in the process, uses her son to become a Nazi so he would not have get beaten up in juvie hall.]] While Frank is a horrible parent, he can still make up for it by still being caring at times. Sammi is shown to be one horrible woman, who doesn't realize it and is called out for it.
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** Frank, who at times, can be very hated due to his selfish actions that causes a lot of negative repercussions and no accountability from him.
**And most recently, '''Sammi'''. While she seemed more or less enjoyable during Season 4, in Season 5 alone she has become even [[UpToEleven more horrible]] than Frank. She manages to [[spoiler:get Carl arrested, then in the process, uses her son to become a Nazi so he would not have get beaten up in juvie hall.]] While Frank is a horrible parent, he can still make up for it by still being caring at times. Sammi is shown to be one horrible woman, who doesn't realize it and is called out for it.
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