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** Frank initially quips that the frozen sewer he's suddenly transported into is under [[UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump Trump Tower]]. At the time, Trump was just known as a ruthless real estate mogul, but now the line plays as an even bigger TakeThat to him.
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* {{Woolseyism}}: The [[Main/CompletelyDifferentTitle german title]] of the film, "Die Geister, die ich rief"[[note]]"The Ghosts, I called for/summoned"[[/note]], is a universally known reference to Goethe's Main/SorcerersApprentice.

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* HilariousInHindsight: At one point, Frank's boss asks a bemused Frank if he has any idea how many cats and dogs there are in America, and proceeds to press Frank into including 'pet appeal', which soon appears in the form of some mice in the ''Christmas Carol'' adaptation. While farcical in the film and yet appearing to work, certain pet food companies have since experimented with the concept of including sound and noise to capture the attention of cats and other animals in their commercials, and there's even a cable service called DOG TV along those lines.

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At one point, Frank's boss asks a bemused Frank if he has any idea how many cats and dogs there are in America, and proceeds to press Frank into including 'pet appeal', which soon appears in the form of some mice in the ''Christmas Carol'' adaptation. While farcical in the film and yet appearing to work, certain pet food companies have since experimented with the concept of including sound and noise to capture the attention of cats and other animals in their commercials, and there's even a cable service called DOG TV along those lines.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Creator/CarolKane's Ghost of Christmas Present was by far the most praised character in contemporary reviews, the worst even calling her its sole redeeming feature.
** The Ghost of Christmas Past is also quite popular for his attitude and antics.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Creator/CarolKane's Ghost of Christmas Present was by far the most praised character in contemporary reviews, the worst even calling her its sole redeeming feature.
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feature. The Ghost of Christmas Past is also quite popular for his attitude and antics.
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** The idea of a VCR as a premium gift strikes audiences today as a little amusing.

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** The idea of a VCR as a premium gift strikes audiences today as a little amusing.amusing, though in 1988 the price of a VCR ranged from $500 to as much as $1'500! Adjusted for inflation, that's the equivalent of $1'000 to $3'000!
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* ValuesResonance: Nowadays ''Scrooged'' is viewed as having been ahead of its time given its portrayal of a Scrooge-like character as a high-ranking executive who's more concerned with making money and advancing his career over the common good. Today, ''Scrooged'' can be interpreted as a criticism of the continuing rise of "hustle culture" and its corrosive effect on society.
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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Frank looking under the Ghost of Christmas Future's giant robe and seeing the distorted, snarling faces - horrifying. Frank checking again to make sure that, yes, that's exactly what he saw - hilarious.
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* AluminumChristmasTrees: Younger audiences may be confused at the appearance of a cellphone in 1988. Notice how the phone is on a cord that goes to a larger part in Grace's purse. That's a real 1988 cellphone, top of the line.
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* FoeYay: Frank's interactions with the Ghost of Christmas Present have a lot of SlapSlapKiss vibes to them.
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* EsotericHappyEnding: For Louis. Frank rehiring him as a high level executive is certainly a good step forward, but he's still got his fair share of problems that we never see get resolved. He lost his wife and child in the wake of his firing, and there's no indication of reconciliation. And while his bender was hopefully a one time thing, there's a very real chance he could continue to have issues with alcoholism. And then there's the potential legal trouble he'd face for his use of a firearm. Frank will most certainly not press charges, but the other people he held at gun point more than likely will.

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* EsotericHappyEnding: For Louis.Elliot Loudermilk. Frank rehiring him as a high level executive is certainly a good step forward, but he's still got his fair share of problems that we never see get resolved. He lost his wife and child in the wake of his firing, and there's no indication of reconciliation. And while his bender was hopefully a one time thing, there's a very real chance he could continue to have issues with alcoholism. And then there's the potential legal trouble he'd face for his use of a firearm. Frank will most certainly not press charges, but the other people he held at gun point more than likely will.



* ValuesDissonance: Given women physically abusing men is taken much more seriously nowadays, it's unlikely you'd see The Ghost of Christmas Past beating the shit out of Frank nonstop being PlayedForLaughs if the film was made nowadays.

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* ValuesDissonance: Given women physically abusing men is taken much more seriously nowadays, it's unlikely you'd see The Ghost of Christmas Past Present beating the shit out of Frank nonstop being PlayedForLaughs if the film was made nowadays.
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* JustHereForGodzilla: Even people who didn't care for the film have admitted to finding The Ghost of Christmas Present hilarious.


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* ValuesDissonance: Given women physically abusing men is taken much more seriously nowadays, it's unlikely you'd see The Ghost of Christmas Past beating the shit out of Frank nonstop being PlayedForLaughs if the film was made nowadays.

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* BrokenBase: Is the movie too mean spirited? Defenders say no, it balances enough real Christmas cheer with the darker comedy, and the meanness was already present in the original book. Detractors say that the nastiness goes too far in this version, and combining it with comedy can make the moments where you're supposed to be laughing uncomfortable instead.



* EsotericHappyEnding: For Louis. Frank rehiring him as a high level executive is certainly a good step forward, but he's still got his fair share of problems that we never see get resolved. He lost his wife and child in the wake of his firing, and there's no indication of reconciliation. And while his bender was hopefully a one time thing, there's a very real chance he could continue to have issues with alcoholism. And then there's the potential legal trouble he'd face for his use of a firearm. Frank will most certainly not press charges, but the other people he held at gun point more than likely will.



* UnintentionallySympathetic: Bryce Cummings may be a BitchInSheepsClothing, but he's sexually assaulted near the end and it's PlayedForLaughs.



** Eliot Loudermilk. Within the span of fewer than 24 hours, he's fired on Christmas Eve, his wife leaves him, taking their baby girl with her and he goes on an alcoholic bender and soon wanting his revenge. Despite GoingPostal, he quickly finds himself out-crazied and terrified before the now reborn Frank.

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** Eliot Loudermilk. Within the span of fewer than 24 hours, he's fired on Christmas Eve, his wife leaves him, taking their baby girl with her and he goes on an alcoholic bender and soon wanting his revenge. Despite GoingPostal, he quickly finds himself out-crazied and terrified before the now reborn Frank. At least Frank now welcomes him back to the company in a high paying job, but even then, he's still got other issues that need working out.



** Frank himself is mostly a JerkassWoobie, though he becomes a full-on Woobie as a child and during his terrifying future vision.

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** Frank himself is mostly a JerkassWoobie, though he becomes a full-on Woobie as a child and during his terrifying future vision. And while he's a bigger jerk than Scrooge ever was, that means the ghosts are even harsher on him than they were on Ebenezer, to the point of physical violence.
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* SpiritualAdaptation: This macabre and modern take on the classic Creator/CharlesDickens tale, with a score by Music/DannyElfman to boot, sounds like something Creator/TimBurton would do... if it weren't released the same year Burton made [[Film/PeeWeesBigAdventure his directorial debut]]!

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* SpiritualAdaptation: This macabre and modern take on the classic Creator/CharlesDickens tale, with a score by Music/DannyElfman to boot, sounds like something Creator/TimBurton would do... if it weren't released the same year Burton made [[Film/PeeWeesBigAdventure his directorial debut]]!but he was busy with ''Film/{{Beetlejuice}}'' that year!
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* FoeYay: Frank's interactions with the Ghost of Christmas Present have a lot of SlapSlapKiss vibes to it.

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* FoeYay: Frank's interactions with the Ghost of Christmas Present have a lot of SlapSlapKiss vibes to it.them.



** Eliot's rampage at the end is played for comedy, but with the rise of high profile mass shootings and the growing awareness of how easy it is in America for someone to bring a gun to the workplace, it can definitely make modern audiences uncomfortable.

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** Eliot's rampage at the end is played for comedy, but with the rise of high profile high-profile mass shootings and the growing awareness of how easy it is in America for someone to bring a gun to the workplace, it can definitely make modern audiences uncomfortable.



* IconicCharacterForgottenTitle: The promos for IBC's version of ''Literature/AChristmasCarol'' continually refer to it as "Creator/CharlesDickens' immortal classic, ''Scrooge''."

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* IconicCharacterForgottenTitle: The promos for IBC's version of ''Literature/AChristmasCarol'' continually refer to it as "Creator/CharlesDickens' "Creator/CharlesDickens's immortal classic, ''Scrooge''."



*** The Anti-Apartheid poster was likely a throw in by Creator/RichardDonner, as he was an outspoken Anti-Apartheid activist at the time (and similar posters were featured on ''Film/LethalWeapon1987'').

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*** The Anti-Apartheid poster was likely a throw in throw-in by Creator/RichardDonner, as he was an outspoken Anti-Apartheid activist at the time (and similar posters were featured on ''Film/LethalWeapon1987'').



* TheWoobie: Grace and Calvin Cooley. The rest of the family (save for the eldest daughter) arguably qualify as AngstWhatAngst.
** Eliot Loudermilk. Within the span of less than 24 hours, he's fired on Christmas Eve, his wife leaves him, taking their baby girl with her and he goes on an alcoholic bender and soon wanting his revenge. Despite GoingPostal, he quickly finds himself out-crazied and terrified before the now reborn Frank.

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* TheWoobie: Grace and Calvin Cooley. The rest of the family (save for the eldest daughter) arguably qualify qualifies as AngstWhatAngst.
** Eliot Loudermilk. Within the span of less fewer than 24 hours, he's fired on Christmas Eve, his wife leaves him, taking their baby girl with her and he goes on an alcoholic bender and soon wanting his revenge. Despite GoingPostal, he quickly finds himself out-crazied and terrified before the now reborn Frank.



** Frank himself is mostly a JerkassWoobie, though he becomes a full-on woobie as a child and during his terrifying future vision.

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** Frank himself is mostly a JerkassWoobie, though he becomes a full-on woobie Woobie as a child and during his terrifying future vision.

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** "No, you are a hallucination, brought on by alcohol. Russian Vodka, poisoned by [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster Chernobyl!]]* VindicatedByHistory: While few critics have softened their position on the movie, it's become a holiday classic among more irreverent viewers because, much like ''Film/NationalLampoonsChristmasVacation'', it emphasizes comedy over {{Glurge}}, but still plays the Christmas-y aspects straight enough that it doesn't feel like a {{Deconstruction}}.

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** "No, you are a hallucination, brought on by alcohol. Russian Vodka, poisoned by [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster Chernobyl!]]* Chernobyl!]]
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VindicatedByHistory: While few critics have softened their position on the movie, it's become a holiday classic among more irreverent viewers because, much like ''Film/NationalLampoonsChristmasVacation'', it emphasizes comedy over {{Glurge}}, but still plays the Christmas-y aspects straight enough that it doesn't feel like a {{Deconstruction}}.

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* TooDumbToLive: Frank, in regards to promising something to the public and giving them something completely different. NeverTrustATrailer can only go so far, and apparently this guy's never heard of a little thing called ''credibility''.
* VindicatedByHistory: While few critics have softened their position on the movie, it's become a holiday classic among more irreverent viewers because, much like ''Film/NationalLampoonsChristmasVacation'', it emphasizes comedy over {{Glurge}}, but still plays the Christmas-y aspects straight enough that it doesn't feel like a {{Deconstruction}}.

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* TooDumbToLive: Frank, in regards UnintentionalPeriodPiece:
** Frank refers
to promising something to Leroy Nieman painting a mural on the public Berlin Wall, and giving them something completely different. NeverTrustATrailer can only go so far, and apparently this guy's never heard one of the cities that the [[ShowWithinAShow Scrooge telecast]] was supposed to be live from is ''West'' Berlin. The Berlin Wall would fall within a little thing called ''credibility''.year.
** Grace has an anti-Apartheid poster on the wall of her apartment. Apartheid did not last much longer than the Berlin Wall did.
*** The Anti-Apartheid poster was likely a throw in by Creator/RichardDonner, as he was an outspoken Anti-Apartheid activist at the time (and similar posters were featured on ''Film/LethalWeapon1987'').

* ** The idea of a VCR as a premium gift strikes audiences today as a little amusing.
** "...AndStarring Mary Lou Retton as 'Tiny Tim.'" If you're into gymnastics, you might know who Mary is, and why she was famous in TheEighties. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Lou_Retton If not, well...]]
** "No, you are a hallucination, brought on by alcohol. Russian Vodka, poisoned by [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster Chernobyl!]]*
VindicatedByHistory: While few critics have softened their position on the movie, it's become a holiday classic among more irreverent viewers because, much like ''Film/NationalLampoonsChristmasVacation'', it emphasizes comedy over {{Glurge}}, but still plays the Christmas-y aspects straight enough that it doesn't feel like a {{Deconstruction}}.
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* ValuesDissonance: Invoked for realism. Frank's mother is seen smoking while pregnant with James, something common in the 1950's. By 1988, this was seen as a tremendous health hazard for mother ''and'' baby so this is an example where both audiences at the time and today would be shocked to see this behavior.
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* SpiritualAdaptation: This macabre and modern take on the classic Creator/CharlesDickens tale sounds like something Creator/TimBurton would do, which is also further helped by the fact the film's music is done by Burton's ProductionPosse member Music/DannyElfman and star Creator/BillMurray would actually later work with Burton himself on ''Film/EdWood''.

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* SpiritualAdaptation: This macabre and modern take on the classic Creator/CharlesDickens tale tale, with a score by Music/DannyElfman to boot, sounds like something Creator/TimBurton would do, which is also further helped by do... if it weren't released the fact the film's music is done by Burton's ProductionPosse member Music/DannyElfman and star Creator/BillMurray would actually later work with same year Burton himself on ''Film/EdWood''.made [[Film/PeeWeesBigAdventure his directorial debut]]!
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: As noted above, several people criticized the film for really amping up the mean spirited nature of the story. Noticeably, at times it can feel like the ghosts care a lot more about torturing Frank than truly teaching him a lesson. To some however, this just makes the film all the more funny.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: As noted above, several people criticized the film for really amping up the mean spirited nature of the story. Noticeably, at times it can feel like the ghosts care a lot more about torturing Frank than truly teaching him a lesson. To some however, this just makes the film all the more funny.
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* ValuesDissonance: Invoked for realism. Frank's mother is seen smoking while pregnant with James, something common in the 1950's. By 1988, this was seen as a tremendous health hazard for mother ''and'' baby so this is an example where both audiences at the time and today would be shocked to see this behavior.
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** The Ghost of Christmas Past is also quite popular for his CrazyAwesome attitude and antics.

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** The Ghost of Christmas Past is also quite popular for his CrazyAwesome attitude and antics.
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* FoeYay: Frank's interactions with the Ghost of Christmas Present have a lot of SlapSlapKiss vibe to it.

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* FoeYay: Frank's interactions with the Ghost of Christmas Present have a lot of SlapSlapKiss vibe vibes to it.



** There's also the fact that if anything, many of the problems alluded to in the promo have gotten ''worse'' in the intervening 30+.
** Eliot's rampage at the end is played for comedy, but with the rise of gun violence in the 21st century and the growing awareness of how easy it is in America for someone to bring a gun to the workplace, it can come off rather dire.

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** There's also the fact that if anything, many of the problems alluded to in the promo have gotten ''worse'' in the intervening 30+.
years that have gone by.
** Eliot's rampage at the end is played for comedy, but with the rise of gun violence in the 21st century high profile mass shootings and the growing awareness of how easy it is in America for someone to bring a gun to the workplace, it can come off rather dire.definitely make modern audiences uncomfortable.



** Frank initially quips that the frozen sewer he's suddenly transported into is [[UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump Trump Tower]]. At the time, Trump was just known as a ruthless real estate mogul, but now the line plays as an even bigger TakeThat to him.

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** Frank initially quips that the frozen sewer he's suddenly transported into is under [[UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump Trump Tower]]. At the time, Trump was just known as a ruthless real estate mogul, but now the line plays as an even bigger TakeThat to him.



** Eliot Loudermilk. Within the scan of less than 24 hours, he's fired on Christmas Eve, his wife leaves him, taking their baby girl with her and he goes on an alcoholic bender and soon wanting his revenge. Despite GoingPostal, he quickly finds himself out-crazied and terrified before the now reborn Frank.

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** Eliot Loudermilk. Within the scan span of less than 24 hours, he's fired on Christmas Eve, his wife leaves him, taking their baby girl with her and he goes on an alcoholic bender and soon wanting his revenge. Despite GoingPostal, he quickly finds himself out-crazied and terrified before the now reborn Frank.



** Frank himself, although he was mostly a JerkassWoobie was a full-on woobie as a child and during his terrifying future vision.

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** Frank himself, although he was himself is mostly a JerkassWoobie was JerkassWoobie, though he becomes a full-on woobie as a child and during his terrifying future vision.
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* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: [[FireAndBrimstoneHell The cremation scene.]]



** Frank initially quips that the frozen sewer he's suddenly transported into is [[Creator/DonaldTrump Trump Tower]]. At the time, Trump was just known as a ruthless real estate mogul, but now the line plays as an even bigger TakeThat to him.
* IconicCharacterForgottenTitle: The promos for IBC's version of ''Literature/AChristmasCarol'' continually refer to it as "Charles Dickens's immortal classic, ''Scrooge''."

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** Frank initially quips that the frozen sewer he's suddenly transported into is [[Creator/DonaldTrump [[UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump Trump Tower]]. At the time, Trump was just known as a ruthless real estate mogul, but now the line plays as an even bigger TakeThat to him.
* IconicCharacterForgottenTitle: The promos for IBC's version of ''Literature/AChristmasCarol'' continually refer to it as "Charles Dickens's "Creator/CharlesDickens' immortal classic, ''Scrooge''."



* SpiritualAdaptation: This macabre and modern take on the classic Charles Dickens tale sounds like something Creator/TimBurton would do, which is also further helped by the fact the film's music is done by Burton's ProductionPosse member Creator/DannyElfman and star Creator/BillMurray would actually later work with Burton himself on ''Film/EdWood''.

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* SpiritualAdaptation: This macabre and modern take on the classic Charles Dickens Creator/CharlesDickens tale sounds like something Creator/TimBurton would do, which is also further helped by the fact the film's music is done by Burton's ProductionPosse member Creator/DannyElfman Music/DannyElfman and star Creator/BillMurray would actually later work with Burton himself on ''Film/EdWood''.
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** Frank initially quips that the frozen sewer he's suddenly transported into is [[Creator/DonaldTrump Trump Tower]]. At the time, Trump was just known as a real estate mogul, but now it plays as an even bigger TakeThat

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** Frank initially quips that the frozen sewer he's suddenly transported into is [[Creator/DonaldTrump Trump Tower]]. At the time, Trump was just known as a ruthless real estate mogul, but now it the line plays as an even bigger TakeThatTakeThat to him.

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