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* SoBadItsGood: It's entirely possible to enjoy the movie based on how bad it is. It helps that despite promoting itself as a Christian-centric movie, Cameron doesn't make any direct attacks on people and the flaws are too obvious to spread harmful messages unlike ''Film/WarRoom'' and ''Film/GodsNotDead.'' Creator/BradJones, as a part of ''WebVideo/MidnightScreenings'', not only saw it himself, he also sent ''five'' of his friends to see it as well and then review it themselves, and actively encouraged people to go see this film, just to prove to everyone that it was really as bat-shit insane as they all said it was. While none of them could say it was a good film, they all thoroughly enjoyed themselves too much to really be mad at it.

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* SoBadItsGood: It's entirely possible to enjoy the movie based on how bad it is. It helps that despite promoting itself as a Christian-centric movie, Cameron doesn't make any direct attacks on people and the flaws are logic is too obvious obviously flawed to spread harmful messages messages, unlike with ''Film/WarRoom'' and ''Film/GodsNotDead.'' Creator/BradJones, as a part of ''WebVideo/MidnightScreenings'', not only saw it himself, he also sent ''five'' of his friends to see it as well and then review it themselves, and actively encouraged people to go see this film, just to prove to everyone that it was really as bat-shit insane as they all said it was. While none of them could say it was a good film, they all thoroughly enjoyed themselves too much to really be mad at it.
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* SoBadItsGood: It's entirely possible to enjoy the movie based on how bad it is. It helps that despite promoting itself as a Christian-centric movie, Cameron doesn't make any direct attacks on people and it is too blatantly illogical to be harmful un like ''Film/WarRoom'' or "Film/GodsNotDead''. Creator/BradJones, as a part of ''WebVideo/MidnightScreenings'', not only saw it himself, he also sent ''five'' of his friends to see it as well and then review it themselves, and actively encouraged people to go see this film, just to prove to everyone that it was really as bat-shit insane as they all said it was. While none of them could say it was a good film, they all thoroughly enjoyed themselves too much to really be mad at it.

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* SoBadItsGood: It's entirely possible to enjoy the movie based on how bad it is. It helps that despite promoting itself as a Christian-centric movie, Cameron doesn't make any direct attacks on people and it is the flaws are too blatantly illogical obvious to be spread harmful un like messages unlike ''Film/WarRoom'' or "Film/GodsNotDead''. and ''Film/GodsNotDead.'' Creator/BradJones, as a part of ''WebVideo/MidnightScreenings'', not only saw it himself, he also sent ''five'' of his friends to see it as well and then review it themselves, and actively encouraged people to go see this film, just to prove to everyone that it was really as bat-shit insane as they all said it was. While none of them could say it was a good film, they all thoroughly enjoyed themselves too much to really be mad at it.
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* SoBadItsGood: It's entirely possible to enjoy the movie based on how bad it is. It helps that despite promoting itself as a Christian-centric movie, Cameron doesn't make any direct attacks on people. Creator/BradJones, as a part of ''WebVideo/MidnightScreenings'', not only saw it himself, he also sent ''five'' of his friends to see it as well and then review it themselves, and actively encouraged people to go see this film, just to prove to everyone that it was really as bat-shit insane as they all said it was. While none of them could say it was a good film, they all thoroughly enjoyed themselves too much to really be mad at it.

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* SoBadItsGood: It's entirely possible to enjoy the movie based on how bad it is. It helps that despite promoting itself as a Christian-centric movie, Cameron doesn't make any direct attacks on people.people and it is too blatantly illogical to be harmful un like ''Film/WarRoom'' or "Film/GodsNotDead''. Creator/BradJones, as a part of ''WebVideo/MidnightScreenings'', not only saw it himself, he also sent ''five'' of his friends to see it as well and then review it themselves, and actively encouraged people to go see this film, just to prove to everyone that it was really as bat-shit insane as they all said it was. While none of them could say it was a good film, they all thoroughly enjoyed themselves too much to really be mad at it.
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* UncertainAudience: This film's jabs at Christians don't seem to win this movie any love from the atheists.

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* UncertainAudience: This film's jabs at Christians don't didn't seem to win this movie any love from the atheists.atheists, while the unexpectedly ''pro''-materialist message was a huge turnoff to Christian viewers.

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!!YMMV related to [[Film/SavingChristmas the 2014 film]]:



* SoBadItsGood: It's entirely possible to enjoy the movie based on how bad it is. It helps that despite promoting itself as a Christian-centric movie, Cameron doesn't make any direct attacks on people.
** Creator/BradJones, as a part of ''WebVideo/MidnightScreenings'', not only saw it himself, he also sent ''five'' of his friends to see it as well and then review it themselves, and actively encouraged people to go see this film, just to prove to everyone that it was really as bat-shit insane as they all said it was. While none of them could say it was a good film, they all thoroughly enjoyed themselves too much to really be mad at it.
* SpecialEffectsFailure: The shot where the theorist was talking behind a cup. It's jarring as you see that he's actually not moving his mouth.
** The voice dub used to fill in his lines in that scene also sounds jarringly different from his voice in the rest of the movie.

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* SoBadItsGood: It's entirely possible to enjoy the movie based on how bad it is. It helps that despite promoting itself as a Christian-centric movie, Cameron doesn't make any direct attacks on people.
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people. Creator/BradJones, as a part of ''WebVideo/MidnightScreenings'', not only saw it himself, he also sent ''five'' of his friends to see it as well and then review it themselves, and actively encouraged people to go see this film, just to prove to everyone that it was really as bat-shit insane as they all said it was. While none of them could say it was a good film, they all thoroughly enjoyed themselves too much to really be mad at it.
* SpecialEffectsFailure: The shot where the theorist was talking behind a cup. It's jarring as you see that not only he's actually not moving his mouth.
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mouth, but the voice dub used to fill in his lines in that scene also sounds jarringly different from his voice in the rest of the movie.
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* UncertainAudience: This film's jabs at Christians don't seem to win this movie any love from the atheists.
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* CoversAlwaysLie: One would think that Kirk Cameron is going to save us poor plebs from the culture war by putting the Christ back in Christmas like Fox News always tells us. Instead, he says every little thing about the commercial aspect of Christmas is rightfully there because of tradition and that materialism is actually our saving grace this time of year.
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* InternetBackdraft: Kirk Cameron's call to improve the movie's rating on RottenTomatoes backfired and eventually led to so many negative reviews on [=IMDb=] that the movie at one point reached the #1 spot on the website's [[http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom?tt4009460&ref_=tt_awd worst movies of all time list]], and won [[UsefulNotes/GoldenRaspberryAward four Razzie awards]].

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* InternetBackdraft: Kirk Cameron's call to improve the movie's rating on RottenTomatoes Website/RottenTomatoes backfired and eventually led to so many negative reviews on [=IMDb=] that the movie at one point reached the #1 spot on the website's [[http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom?tt4009460&ref_=tt_awd worst movies of all time list]], and won [[UsefulNotes/GoldenRaspberryAward four Razzie awards]].
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** The voice dub used to fill in his lines in that scene also sounds jarringly different from his voice in the rest of the movie.
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** Creator/BradJones, as a part of ''WebVideo/MidnightScreenings]'', not only saw it himself, he also sent ''five'' of his friends to see it as well and then review it themselves, and actively encouraged people to go see this film, just to prove to everyone that it was really as bat-shit insane as they all said it was. While none of them could say it was a good film, they all thoroughly enjoyed themselves too much to really be mad at it.

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** Creator/BradJones, as a part of ''WebVideo/MidnightScreenings]'', ''WebVideo/MidnightScreenings'', not only saw it himself, he also sent ''five'' of his friends to see it as well and then review it themselves, and actively encouraged people to go see this film, just to prove to everyone that it was really as bat-shit insane as they all said it was. While none of them could say it was a good film, they all thoroughly enjoyed themselves too much to really be mad at it.
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** [[Creator/BradJones]], as a part of [[WebVideo/MidnightScreenings]], not only saw it himself, he also sent ''five'' of his friends to see it as well and then review it themselves, and actively encouraged people to go see this film, just to prove to everyone that it was really as bat-shit insane as they all said it was. While none of them could say it was a good film, they all thoroughly enjoyed themselves too much to really be mad at it.

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** [[Creator/BradJones]], Creator/BradJones, as a part of [[WebVideo/MidnightScreenings]], ''WebVideo/MidnightScreenings]'', not only saw it himself, he also sent ''five'' of his friends to see it as well and then review it themselves, and actively encouraged people to go see this film, just to prove to everyone that it was really as bat-shit insane as they all said it was. While none of them could say it was a good film, they all thoroughly enjoyed themselves too much to really be mad at it.
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* CoversAlwaysLie: One would think that Kirk Cameron is going to save us poor plebs from the culture war by putting the Christ back in Christmas like Fox News always tells us. Instead, he says every little thing about the commercial aspect of Christmas is rightfully there because of tradition and that materialism is actually our saving grace this time of year.


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** [[Creator/BradJones]], as a part of [[WebVideo/MidnightScreenings]], not only saw it himself, he also sent ''five'' of his friends to see it as well and then review it themselves, and actively encouraged people to go see this film, just to prove to everyone that it was really as bat-shit insane as they all said it was. While none of them could say it was a good film, they all thoroughly enjoyed themselves too much to really be mad at it.
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* InternetBackdraft: Kirk Cameron's call to improve the movie's rating on RottenTomatoes backfired and eventually led to so many negative reviews on [=IMDb=] that the movie at one point reached the #1 spot on the website's [[http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom?tt4009460&ref_=tt_awd worst movies of all time list]], and won [[UsefulNotes/GoldenRaspberryAward two Razzie awards]].

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* InternetBackdraft: Kirk Cameron's call to improve the movie's rating on RottenTomatoes backfired and eventually led to so many negative reviews on [=IMDb=] that the movie at one point reached the #1 spot on the website's [[http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom?tt4009460&ref_=tt_awd worst movies of all time list]], and won [[UsefulNotes/GoldenRaspberryAward two four Razzie awards]].
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* {{Anvilicious}}: While most religious-themed, and even secular, Christmas movies aim to demonize the over-commercialization of the holiday, this film sees it as a ''good'' thing and rattles the moral off with the subtlety of a ten-story neon sign.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: While most religious-themed, religious-themed and even secular, secular Christmas movies aim to demonize the over-commercialization of the holiday, this film sees it as a ''good'' thing and rattles the moral off with the subtlety of a ten-story neon sign.
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* SpecialEffectsFailure: The shot where the theorist was talking behind a cup. It's jarring as you see that he's actually not moving his mouth.
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* {{Anvilicious}}: While most religious-themed Christmas movies aim to demonize the over-commercialization of the holiday, this film sees it as a ''good'' thing and rattles the moral off with the subtlety of a ten-story neon sign.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: While most religious-themed religious-themed, and even secular, Christmas movies aim to demonize the over-commercialization of the holiday, this film sees it as a ''good'' thing and rattles the moral off with the subtlety of a ten-story neon sign.
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** From the (dubious) story of St. Nicholas of Cusa and Arius: beating the holy hell out of someone is a reasonable resolution to a theological disagreement. Anything less is PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad.

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** From the (dubious) ([[BasedOnAGreatBigLie dubious]]) story of St. Nicholas of Cusa and Arius: beating the holy hell out of someone is a reasonable resolution to a theological disagreement. Anything less is PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad.
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** If someone doesn't agree 100% with your view on God, don't just accept that people believe different things; beat that person as savagely as possible with any weapon on hand.

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** If From the (dubious) story of St. Nicholas of Cusa and Arius: beating the holy hell out of someone doesn't agree 100% with your view on God, don't just accept that people believe different things; beat that person as savagely as possible with any weapon on hand.is a reasonable resolution to a theological disagreement. Anything less is PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad.
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* {{Anvilicious}}: Subverted. While most religious-themed Christmas movies aim to demonize the overcommercialization of the holiday, this film sees it as a ''good'' thing and Cameron rattles it off with the subtlety of a ten-story neon sign.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: Subverted. While most religious-themed Christmas movies aim to demonize the overcommercialization over-commercialization of the holiday, this film sees it as a ''good'' thing and Cameron rattles it the moral off with the subtlety of a ten-story neon sign.
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%% * {{Anvilicious}}: And the moral of the story isn't even a good one -- [[RandomEventsPlot such as there is a story]] -- so it's just grating as all hell.

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%% * {{Anvilicious}}: And Subverted. While most religious-themed Christmas movies aim to demonize the moral overcommercialization of the story isn't even a good one -- [[RandomEventsPlot such holiday, this film sees it as there is a story]] -- so it's just grating as all hell. ''good'' thing and Cameron rattles it off with the subtlety of a ten-story neon sign.
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* InternetBackdraft: Kirk Cameron's call to improve the movie's rating on RottenTomatoes backfired and eventually led to so many negative reviews on [=IMDb=] that the movie at one point reached the #1 spot on the website's [[http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom?tt4009460&ref_=tt_awd worst movies of all time list]], and [[UsefulNotes/GoldenRaspberryAward two Razzie awards]].

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* InternetBackdraft: Kirk Cameron's call to improve the movie's rating on RottenTomatoes backfired and eventually led to so many negative reviews on [=IMDb=] that the movie at one point reached the #1 spot on the website's [[http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom?tt4009460&ref_=tt_awd worst movies of all time list]], and won [[UsefulNotes/GoldenRaspberryAward two Razzie awards]].
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* InternetBackdraft: See DearNegativeReader; Kirk Cameron's call to improve the movie's rating on RottenTomatoes backfired and eventually led to so many negative reviews on [=IMDb=] that the movie at one point reached the #1 spot on the website's [[http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom?tt4009460&ref_=tt_awd worst movies of all time list]], and [[UsefulNotes/GoldenRaspberryAward two Razzie awards]].

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* InternetBackdraft: See DearNegativeReader; Kirk Cameron's call to improve the movie's rating on RottenTomatoes backfired and eventually led to so many negative reviews on [=IMDb=] that the movie at one point reached the #1 spot on the website's [[http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom?tt4009460&ref_=tt_awd worst movies of all time list]], and [[UsefulNotes/GoldenRaspberryAward two Razzie awards]].

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* {{Anvilicious}}: And the moral of the story isn't even a good one -- [[RandomEventsPlot such as there is a story]] -- so it's just grating as all hell.
* '''CriticalResearchFailure:''' You'd better believe it, starting with the factual errors about where Christmas comes from and going downhill from there. In fact, Psychology Today has a [[http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/logical-take/201411/saving-christmas-kirk-cameron long article]] on everything Cameron got absolutely wrong.

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%% * {{Anvilicious}}: And the moral of the story isn't even a good one -- [[RandomEventsPlot such as there is a story]] -- so it's just grating as all hell.
%% * '''CriticalResearchFailure:''' You'd better believe it, starting CriticalResearchFailure: Starting with the factual errors about where Christmas comes from from, and going downhill from there. In fact, Psychology Today has a [[http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/logical-take/201411/saving-christmas-kirk-cameron long article]] on everything Cameron got absolutely wrong.



* InternetBackdraft: See DearNegativeReader; Kirk Cameron's call to improve the movie's rating on RottenTomatoes backfired ''spectacularly'', and eventually led to so many negative reviews on [=IMDb=] that the movie at one point reached the #1 spot on the website's [[http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom?tt4009460&ref_=tt_awd worst movies of all time list]], with a considerably lower rating than the then #2 film, ''Film/{{Birdemic}}''. (As of March 30, 2016 it's in a three way tie for the number 2 spot with two other bad movies. For some perspective, ''Film/ManosTheHandsOfFate'' has a better rating than this movie.) This movie also won him a Razzie for "Worst Screen Couple" with himself and his own massive ego while the film itself won the Worst Picture award over ''Film/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2014'' and the fourth ''[[Film/TransformersAgeOfExtinction Transformers]]'' movie.

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* InternetBackdraft: See DearNegativeReader; Kirk Cameron's call to improve the movie's rating on RottenTomatoes backfired ''spectacularly'', and eventually led to so many negative reviews on [=IMDb=] that the movie at one point reached the #1 spot on the website's [[http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom?tt4009460&ref_=tt_awd worst movies of all time list]], with a considerably lower rating than the then #2 film, ''Film/{{Birdemic}}''. (As of March 30, 2016 it's in a three way tie for the number 2 spot with and [[UsefulNotes/GoldenRaspberryAward two other bad movies. For some perspective, ''Film/ManosTheHandsOfFate'' has a better rating than this movie.) This movie also won him a Razzie for "Worst Screen Couple" with himself and his own massive ego while the film itself won the Worst Picture award over ''Film/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2014'' and the fourth ''[[Film/TransformersAgeOfExtinction Transformers]]'' movie.awards]].



* StrawmanHasAPoint: Christian is depressed that Christmas is getting too materialistic. Kirk shoots down all his points and and we're ''supposed'' to take his side, but Christian's not wrong and Kirk's misinformation about Christmas just makes his brother-in-law's points even more valid.

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Christian is depressed that Christmas is getting too materialistic. Kirk shoots down all his points and and we're ''supposed'' supposed to take his side, but Christian's not wrong and Kirk's misinformation about Christmas just makes his brother-in-law's points even more valid.
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* DearNegativeReader: Kirk Cameron was fairly upset at the negative reviews and [[http://www.inquisitr.com/1626038/kirk-cameron-begs-fans-to-save-saving-christmas/ begged fans]] to improve the fan rating on RottenTomatoes to combat the bad critical reviews. This became a disaster, as the Audience Rating score fell from 94% to 63%. In other words, he attracted the attention of the general public, when previously only dyed-in-the-wool fans had been voting. Oops. It bottomed out at a 31% audience rating and a 0% Critic rating.
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* DirectorDisplacement: A minor example; while Darren Doane was actually the director and co-writer of the film, Kirk Cameron served as executive producer and was the main driving force behind much of the production.
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* DearNegativeReader: Kirk Cameron was fairly upset at the negative reviews and [[http://www.inquisitr.com/1626038/kirk-cameron-begs-fans-to-save-saving-christmas/ begged fans]] to improve the fan rating on RottenTomatoes to combat the bad critical reviews. This became a disaster, as the Audience Rating score fell from 94% to 63%. In other words, he attracted the attention of the general public, when previously only dyed-in-the-wool fans had been voting. Oops. It bottomed out at a 31% audience rating and a 0% Critic rating.
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* InternetBackdraft: See DearNegativeReader; Kirk Cameron's call to improve the movie's rating on RottenTomatoes backfired ''spectacularly'', and eventually led to so many negative reviews on [=IMDb=] that the movie at one point reached the #1 spot on the website's [[http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom?tt4009460&ref_=tt_awd worst movies of all time list]], with a considerably lower rating than the #2 film, ''Film/{{Birdemic}}''. (As of November 22, 2015 it's now #4 [it's a tie, though], with literally the only thing worse being something about Turkey.) This movie also won him a Razzie for "Worst Screen Couple" with himself and his own massive ego while the film itself won the Worst Picture award over ''Film/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2014'' and the fourth ''[[Film/TransformersAgeOfExtinction Transformers]]'' movie.

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* InternetBackdraft: See DearNegativeReader; Kirk Cameron's call to improve the movie's rating on RottenTomatoes backfired ''spectacularly'', and eventually led to so many negative reviews on [=IMDb=] that the movie at one point reached the #1 spot on the website's [[http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom?tt4009460&ref_=tt_awd worst movies of all time list]], with a considerably lower rating than the then #2 film, ''Film/{{Birdemic}}''. (As of November 22, 2015 March 30, 2016 it's now #4 [it's in a tie, though], three way tie for the number 2 spot with literally the only thing worse being something about Turkey.two other bad movies. For some perspective, ''Film/ManosTheHandsOfFate'' has a better rating than this movie.) This movie also won him a Razzie for "Worst Screen Couple" with himself and his own massive ego while the film itself won the Worst Picture award over ''Film/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2014'' and the fourth ''[[Film/TransformersAgeOfExtinction Transformers]]'' movie.
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* InternetBackdraft: See DearNegativeReader; Kirk Cameron's call to improve the movie's rating on RottenTomatoes backfired ''spectacularly'', and eventually led to so many negative reviews on [=IMDb=] that the movie at one point reached the #1 spot on the website's [[http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom?tt4009460&ref_=tt_awd worst movies of all time list]], with a considerably lower rating than the #2 film, ''Film/{{Birdemic}}''. (As of November 22, 2015 it's now #4 [it's a tie, though], with literally the only thing worse being something about Turkey.) This move also won him a Razzie for "Worst Screen Couple" with himself and his own massive ego while the film itself won the Worst Picture award over ''Film/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2014'' and the fourth ''[[Film/TransformersAgeOfExtinction Transformers]]'' movie.

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* InternetBackdraft: See DearNegativeReader; Kirk Cameron's call to improve the movie's rating on RottenTomatoes backfired ''spectacularly'', and eventually led to so many negative reviews on [=IMDb=] that the movie at one point reached the #1 spot on the website's [[http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom?tt4009460&ref_=tt_awd worst movies of all time list]], with a considerably lower rating than the #2 film, ''Film/{{Birdemic}}''. (As of November 22, 2015 it's now #4 [it's a tie, though], with literally the only thing worse being something about Turkey.) This move movie also won him a Razzie for "Worst Screen Couple" with himself and his own massive ego while the film itself won the Worst Picture award over ''Film/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2014'' and the fourth ''[[Film/TransformersAgeOfExtinction Transformers]]'' movie.

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