History YMMV / SamuraiWarriors

4th Apr '17 5:00:39 AM ChrisX
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** Whether it's a case of CreatorsPet or not, Naotora has more appearances outside of ''Samurai Warriors'' and ''Warriors Orochi'' via GuestFighter in ''[[VideoGame/DeadOrAlive Dead Or Alive 5: Last Round]]'' and its SpinOff ''[[VideoGame/DeadOrAlive Dead Or Alive Xtreme 3]]''. This is compounded with her being the female representative of ''Samurai Warriors'' for ''VideoGame/MusouStars''.

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** Whether it's a case of CreatorsPet or not, Naotora has more appearances outside of ''Samurai Warriors'' and ''Warriors Orochi'' via GuestFighter in ''[[VideoGame/DeadOrAlive Dead Or Alive 5: Last Round]]'' and its SpinOff ''[[VideoGame/DeadOrAlive Dead Or Alive Xtreme 3]]''. This is compounded with her being the female representative of ''Samurai Warriors'' for ''VideoGame/MusouStars''. She is also the most popular female character as voted by fans in a popularity contest, so she [[PopularityPower does have a base for her constant appearances.]]
27th Mar '17 1:21:27 PM advent_child
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*** Detractors also point out how Koei Tecmo seems to favor these fictional elements more while omitting other potential stories that are prominent in the history of that era, such as Hideyoshi's invasion of Korea, Gracia's religious alignment with Christianity and her overall relationship with her husband Tadaoki (it's never really shown outside of ''3: Xtreme Legends''), Kuroda Kanbei and his relationship with foreigners, etc. Supporters appear more understanding that the nature of these potential stories can be disastrous (a la ValuesDissonance and WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical) to certain players, particularly RealLife Christians and Koreans, thus it's better if they're not implemented (worth noting is rival series ''VideoGame/SengokuBasara'' also omits the Korean Invasion, even though Hideyoshi is given a HistoricalVillainUpgrade, though the Christianity aspect is given a humorous spin due to the over-the-top setting allowing it, while the more down-to-earth approach of the ''Warriors'' series might not be the best fit).

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*** Detractors also point out how Koei Tecmo seems to favor these fictional elements more while omitting other potential stories that are prominent in the history of that era, such as Hideyoshi's invasion of Korea, Gracia's religious alignment with Christianity and her overall relationship with her husband Tadaoki (it's never really shown outside of ''3: Xtreme Legends''), Kuroda Kanbei and his relationship with foreigners, etc. Supporters appear more understanding that the nature of these potential stories can be disastrous (a la ValuesDissonance and WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical) to certain players, particularly RealLife Christians and Koreans, thus it's better if they're not implemented (worth noting is rival series ''VideoGame/SengokuBasara'' also omits the Korean Invasion, even though Hideyoshi is given a HistoricalVillainUpgrade, though the Christianity aspect is given dealt a humorous spin due to the over-the-top setting allowing it, while the more down-to-earth approach of the ''Warriors'' series might not be the best fit).



* CreatorsPet: Ii Naotora; not only is she the only character on the roster modeled after a RealLife actress, she's [[https://twitter.com/sengoku_musou/status/441903145593999360 favored by the series' producer]].



** Whether it's a case of CreatorsPet or not, Naotora has more appearances outside of ''Samurai Warriors'' and ''Warriors Orochi'' via GuestFighter in ''[[VideoGame/DeadOrAlive Dead Or Alive 5: Last Round]]'' and its SpinOff ''[[VideoGame/DeadOrAlive Dead Or Alive Xtreme 3]]''. This is compounded with her being the female representative of ''Samurai Warriors'' for ''VideoGame/MusouStars''.



** The five scrolls in the first ''Samurai Warriors'': by equipping all five, elemental attacks turn into [[OneHitKill]]s that severely damage enemy officers. On a similar note, the "Demon" element ("Dark" element in the localization) from the second game does the same thing, until it was rectified in ''2: Xtreme Legends''.
** Okuni's charged attacks (notably her C2) from the first game possesses ridiculous amounts of striking power.
** Miyamoto Musashi is hilariously broken in ''Samurai Warriors 2'' for three reasons and [[PurposelyOverpowered deliberately so]] (WordOfGod states he was made as such so players can use him to truly experience the Chaos difficulty): first, he has the Personal Skill "Reversal" - whereas other characters will be {{Stunlock}}ed if struck several times in succession, Musashi can counter enemy strikes simply by using a charge attack, interrupting an enemy combo to send his attackers-turned-victims flying (with the ending blow of his C4). Secondly, his Special Skill 2 (R1 + C) is a ShockwaveStomp quickly refilling the Musou Gauge by a set amount, meaning he can use "[[LimitBreak Musou Attacks]]" like no tomorrow once the gauge is filled; furthermore, the said stomp causes guard break and stagger when enemies are hit by it, leaving them open for attack. Finally, Musashi's Musou Attack, due to a combination of damage, proximity and range, is the most devastating out of all characters in the game. So far, his main weaknesses tends to be his lack of range outside of reaching fatal-marksmen and his stationary Musou Attack. It was telling when Musashi despite still being very good, had his ShockwaveStomp (which is now just R1) nerfed to the ground by only allowing him to fill up musou with it on hit, along with a new hitbox for his C3 finisher input and his Musou Attack juggling enemies too high.
** Honda Tadakatsu is essentially the [[MemeticBadass Lu Bu]] of ''Samurai Warriors'' (though the interlude compares him more so to Zhang Fei), yet he is faster than both of them (having above average attack and movement speed between ''Samurai Warriors'' characters), and all of his attacks deal high damage. In ''2'', not only does his Special Skill 1 allow him to regain a division of the Musou Gauge[[note]]The more enemies hit by this skill, the more Musou is gained, making it akin to Musashi's Special Skill 2.[[/note]] and Special Skill 2 causing damage to enemies simply by ''running into them'', his Musou Attack can also clear a room ''in seconds''.
** The "wheel formation" in ''2: Empires'': not only does it give players the normal speed and morale boost if it's the advantageous formation, it also '''doubles attack and defense''', effectively turning almost any battle into a CurbStompBattle if the enemy doesn't have anything to counter it (which is a 1 -in-3 chance for every formation they still have).

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** The five scrolls in the first ''Samurai Warriors'': by equipping all five, elemental attacks turn into [[OneHitKill]]s {{One Hit Kill}}s that severely damage enemy officers. On a similar note, the "Demon" element ("Dark" element in the localization) from the second game does the same thing, until it was rectified in ''2: Xtreme Legends''.
** Okuni's charged attacks (notably her C2) second charged attack) from the first game possesses ridiculous amounts of striking power.
** Miyamoto Musashi is hilariously broken in ''Samurai Warriors 2'' for three reasons and [[PurposelyOverpowered deliberately so]] (WordOfGod states he was made as such so players can use him to truly experience the Chaos "[[HarderThanHard Chaos]]" difficulty): first, he has the Personal Skill "Reversal" - whereas other characters will be {{Stunlock}}ed if struck several times in succession, Musashi can counter enemy strikes simply by using a charge charged attack, interrupting an enemy combo to send his attackers-turned-victims flying (with the ending blow of his C4). fourth charged attack). Secondly, his Special Skill 2 (R1 + C) circle) is a ShockwaveStomp quickly refilling the Musou Gauge by a set amount, meaning he can use "[[LimitBreak Musou Attacks]]" like no tomorrow once the gauge is filled; furthermore, the said stomp causes guard break and stagger when enemies ''and'' bosses are hit by it, leaving them open for attack. Finally, Musashi's Musou Attack, due to a combination of damage, proximity and range, is the most devastating out of all characters in the game. So far, his main His weaknesses tends tend to be his a lack of range outside of reaching fatal-marksmen {{Mook}}s and his stationary Musou Attack. It was It's telling when Musashi Musashi, despite still being very good, good in the {{Sequel}}s, had his ShockwaveStomp (which is now just R1) nerfed to the ground Special Skill {{Nerf}}ed by only allowing him to fill up musou the Musou Gauge provided it comes into contact with it on hit, enemies, along with a new hitbox for his C3 finisher input third charged attack input, and his Musou Attack juggling enemies too high.
high to prevent long {{Combo}} strings.
** Honda Tadakatsu is essentially the [[MemeticBadass Lu Bu]] of ''Samurai Warriors'' (though the interlude compares him more so to Zhang Fei), yet he is faster than both of them (having above average attack and movement speed between ''Samurai Warriors'' characters), and all of his attacks deal high damage. In ''2'', not only does his Special Skill 1 allow him to regain a division of the Musou Gauge[[note]]The more enemies hit by this skill, the more Musou is gained, making it akin to Musashi's Special Skill 2.[[/note]] 2[[/note]] and Special Skill 2 causing damage to enemies simply by ''running into them'', his Musou Attack can also clear a room of {{Mook}}s ''in seconds''.
** The "wheel formation" in ''2: Empires'': not only does it give players the normal speed and morale boost if it's the advantageous formation, it also '''doubles attack and defense''', effectively turning almost any battle into a CurbStompBattle if the enemy doesn't have anything to counter it (which is a 1 -in-3 1-in-3 chance for every formation they still have).



** ''Samurai Warriors 4'' introduces the "Stimulus" skill: all rare weapons carry it at maximum strength and it can be found on random weapons at higher difficulties. What does it do? Stimulus helps increase leveling speed and boost parameters beyond the LevelCap, the latter bit being what makes it so coveted. Essentially, a character who is already maxed at level 50 can, with a weapon having "Stimulus", keep "leveling" i.e. - gain {{Experience Point}}s even though their level won't change, yet continue gaining stats until all parameters reach their maximum. It doesn't sound like much, but the trick is that in ''4'', leveling up a character while in combat grants them ''every StatusBuff in the game'' '''all at once''' for an extended period of time, thus allowing a character to enter the boosted "leveled up" state despite technically not being able to level up anymore. Provided there's enough enemies and experience points to earn, this character can effectively stay in this state for the duration of a stage; greatly helping this is an item that increases the drop rate for experience scrolls. Put it all together and players can easily wipe out an entire battlefield clean in a matter of minutes, even at "[[HarderThanHard Nightmare]]" difficulty.

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** ''Samurai Warriors 4'' introduces the "Stimulus" skill: all rare weapons carry it at maximum strength and it can be found on random weapons at higher difficulties. What does it do? Stimulus helps increase leveling speed and boost parameters beyond the 50 LevelCap, the latter bit being which is what makes it so coveted. Essentially, coveted; essentially, a character who is already maxed at level 50 can, with a weapon having "Stimulus", Stimulus, keep "leveling" i.e. - gain {{Experience Point}}s even though their level won't change, yet continue gaining stats until all parameters reach their maximum. It doesn't sound like much, but the trick is that in ''4'', leveling up reaching a character 1000 [=KOs=] while in combat grants them a character ''every StatusBuff in the game'' '''all game all at once''' once'' for an extended period of time, time. With Stimulus, these same buffs will ''also'' be applied each time the character "levels up" in battle, thus allowing a character to enter the boosted "leveled up" state for the entire duration of a stage, despite technically not being able to level up anymore. Provided anymore, and provided there's enough enemies and experience points to earn, this character can effectively stay in this state for the duration of a stage; greatly earn (greatly helping this is an item that increases the drop rate for experience scrolls.scrolls whenever {{Mook}}s are defeated). Put it all together and players can easily wipe out an entire battlefield clean in a matter of minutes, even at "[[HarderThanHard Nightmare]]" difficulty.



* NoExportForYou: All expansions of ''3'' (''Xtreme Legends''/''Z'', ''Empires'' and ''Z: Special'') and ''Chronicles 2nd'' have not received an international release.



** When Ii Naotora was announced as an addition, fans expected her to be a total badass, being one of the few female ''daimyo'' in Japanese history. Unfortunately, she wasn't exactly welcomed due to her meek, ReluctantWarrior personality, which reminded ''Warriors'' veterans of Daqiao, including her blatant {{Fanservice}}y character designs. Compounding this was fans fearing this meant her inclusion means [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan-favorite]] Naomasa (her adopted son, one of Ieyasu's ''Shi-Tennou'' nicknamed the "Red Devil") wouldn't be added any time soon. However, Naomasa would make it onto the roster for ''[[UpdatedReRelease Samurai Warriors 4-II]]'' and Naotora received some CharacterDevelopment on her own by [[TookALevelInBadass becoming a strong-willed woman without losing who she is]], leading to an [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap improved opinion of her for many fans]].

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** When Ii Naotora was announced as an addition, fans expected her to be a total badass, being one of the few female ''daimyo'' in Japanese history. Unfortunately, she wasn't exactly welcomed due to her meek, ReluctantWarrior personality, which reminded ''Warriors'' veterans of Daqiao, including her blatant {{Fanservice}}y character designs. Compounding this was fans fearing this meant her inclusion means [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan-favorite]] Naomasa (her adopted son, one of Ieyasu's ''Shi-Tennou'' nicknamed the "Red Devil") wouldn't be added any time soon. However, Naomasa would make it onto the roster for ''[[UpdatedReRelease Samurai Warriors 4-II]]'' and Naotora received some CharacterDevelopment on her own by [[TookALevelInBadass becoming a strong-willed woman without losing who she is]], leading to an [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap improved opinion of her for many fans]].



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** Koei Tecmo has been known to do some "one-upping" of their rivalry with Creator/{{Capcom}} when it comes to [[VideoGame/SengokuBasara their iteration]] of the HackAndSlash UsefulNotes/JidaiGeki video game, be it temporarily making two poster boys of the latter (Date Masamune and Maeda Keiji) take villainous roles in ''Warriors Orochi'' or the aforementioned Hisahide [[SpotlightStealingSquad taking up more of the story than historically relevant individuals]]. This is truly emphasized when the publisher announced ''Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada'' as a response to Capcom's ''Sengoku Basara: Sanada Yukimura-Den'', where both {{Spin Off}}s feature Yukimura as the protagonist. However, Tecmo Koei ensures ''Spirit of Sanada'' is vastly different by adding Yukimura's father Sanada Masayuki as a {{Deuteragonist}}; furthermore, when Capcom stated there won't be any new female characters in ''Yukimura-Den'', making it akin to a [[CastFullOfPrettyBoys sausage-fest]], Koei Tecmo revealed ''Spirt of Sanada'' has an important female character playable during the Siege of Osaka Castle: Nagamasa and Oichi's daughter, Chacha.

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** Koei Tecmo has been known to do some "one-upping" of their rivalry with Creator/{{Capcom}} when it comes to [[VideoGame/SengokuBasara their iteration]] of the HackAndSlash UsefulNotes/JidaiGeki video game, be it temporarily making two poster boys of the latter (Date Masamune and Maeda Keiji) take villainous roles in ''Warriors Orochi'' or the aforementioned Hisahide [[SpotlightStealingSquad taking up more of the story than historically relevant individuals]]. This is truly emphasized when the publisher announced ''Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada'' as a response to Capcom's ''Sengoku Basara: Sanada Yukimura-Den'', where both {{Spin Off}}s feature Yukimura as the protagonist. However, Tecmo Koei ensures ''Spirit of Sanada'' is vastly different by adding Yukimura's father Sanada Masayuki as a {{Deuteragonist}}; furthermore, when Capcom stated there won't be any new female characters in ''Yukimura-Den'', making it akin to a [[CastFullOfPrettyBoys sausage-fest]], CastFullOfPrettyBoys, Koei Tecmo revealed ''Spirt of Sanada'' has an important female character playable during the Siege of Osaka Castle: Nagamasa and Oichi's daughter, Chacha.
14th Mar '17 7:29:42 PM CosmicFerret
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** Koei Tecmo ignored the reason Gracia's well-known in the first place in favor of an original story with her and Magoichi in her first appearance for ''2: Xtreme Legends''; TheOtherWiki has a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosokawa_Gracia good article on her actual history]]. ''3: Xtreme Legends'' certainly pays a little more attention to her history, though it still skips on the [[JapaneseChristian reason why she's historically famous]]. Chances are the publisher wants to avoid any sort of religious controversy and the only clues to her Christian background are her foreign name (instead of her default name "Tamako") and her outlandish fashion style (evoking ElegantGothicLolita).

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** Koei Tecmo ignored the reason Gracia's well-known in the first place in favor of an original story with her and Magoichi in her first appearance for ''2: Xtreme Legends''; TheOtherWiki has a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosokawa_Gracia good article on her actual history]]. ''3: Xtreme Legends'' certainly pays a little more attention to her history, though it still skips on the [[JapaneseChristian [[UsefulNotes/JapaneseChristian reason why she's historically famous]]. Chances are the publisher wants to avoid any sort of religious controversy and the only clues to her Christian background are her foreign name (instead of her default name "Tamako") and her outlandish fashion style (evoking ElegantGothicLolita).
4th Mar '17 7:22:51 PM SneaselSawashiro
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** Miyamoto Musashi is hilariously broken in ''Samurai Warriors 2'' for three reasons and [[PurposelyOverpowered deliberately so]] (WordOfGod states he was made as such so players can use him to truly experience the Chaos difficulty): first, he has the Personal Skill "Reversal" - whereas other characters will be {{Stunlock}}ed if struck several times in succession, Musashi can counter enemy strikes simply by using a charge attack, interrupting an enemy combo to send his attackers-turned-victims flying (with the ending blow of his C4). Secondly, one of his Special Skills (R1 + C) is a ShockwaveStomp quickly refilling the Musou Gauge by a set amount, meaning he can use "[[LimitBreak Musou Attacks]]" like no tomorrow once the gauge is filled; furthermore, the said stomp causes guard break and stagger when enemies are hit by it, leaving them open for attack. Finally, Musashi's Musou Attack, due to a combination of damage, proximity and range, is the most devastating out of all characters in the game. So far, his main weaknesses tends to be his lack of range outside of reaching fatal-marksmen and his stationary Musou Attack. It was telling when Musashi despite still being very good, had his ShockwaveStomp (which is now just R1) nerfed to the ground by only allowing him to fill up musou with it on hit, along with a new hitbox for his C3 finisher input and his Musou Attack juggling enemies too high.
** Honda Tadakatsu is essentially the [[MemeticBadass Lu Bu]] of ''Samurai Warriors'' (though the interlude compares him more so to Zhang Fei), yet he is faster than both of them (having above average attack and movement speed between ''Samurai Warriors'' characters), and all of his attacks deal high damage. In ''2'', not only do his special skills allow him to regain a division of the Musou Gauge[[note]]The more enemies hit by this skill, the more Musou is gained.[[/note]] and damage enemies simply by ''running into them'', his Musou Attack can clear a room ''in seconds''.

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** Miyamoto Musashi is hilariously broken in ''Samurai Warriors 2'' for three reasons and [[PurposelyOverpowered deliberately so]] (WordOfGod states he was made as such so players can use him to truly experience the Chaos difficulty): first, he has the Personal Skill "Reversal" - whereas other characters will be {{Stunlock}}ed if struck several times in succession, Musashi can counter enemy strikes simply by using a charge attack, interrupting an enemy combo to send his attackers-turned-victims flying (with the ending blow of his C4). Secondly, one of his Special Skills Skill 2 (R1 + C) is a ShockwaveStomp quickly refilling the Musou Gauge by a set amount, meaning he can use "[[LimitBreak Musou Attacks]]" like no tomorrow once the gauge is filled; furthermore, the said stomp causes guard break and stagger when enemies are hit by it, leaving them open for attack. Finally, Musashi's Musou Attack, due to a combination of damage, proximity and range, is the most devastating out of all characters in the game. So far, his main weaknesses tends to be his lack of range outside of reaching fatal-marksmen and his stationary Musou Attack. It was telling when Musashi despite still being very good, had his ShockwaveStomp (which is now just R1) nerfed to the ground by only allowing him to fill up musou with it on hit, along with a new hitbox for his C3 finisher input and his Musou Attack juggling enemies too high.
** Honda Tadakatsu is essentially the [[MemeticBadass Lu Bu]] of ''Samurai Warriors'' (though the interlude compares him more so to Zhang Fei), yet he is faster than both of them (having above average attack and movement speed between ''Samurai Warriors'' characters), and all of his attacks deal high damage. In ''2'', not only do does his special skills Special Skill 1 allow him to regain a division of the Musou Gauge[[note]]The more enemies hit by this skill, the more Musou is gained.gained, making it akin to Musashi's Special Skill 2.[[/note]] and Special Skill 2 causing damage to enemies simply by ''running into them'', his Musou Attack can also clear a room ''in seconds''.
4th Mar '17 7:20:15 PM SneaselSawashiro
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** Riding at top speed with ''Matzukaze'', the strongest and fastest mount in the first game with the best overall stats, will allow any character to pull a OneHitKill over anything the stallion can mow down.
** The five scrolls in the first ''Samurai Warriors'': by equipping all five, elemental attacks turn into {{One Hit Kill}s that severely damages enemy officers. On a similar note, the "Demon" element ("Dark" element in the localization) from the second game does the same thing, until it was rectified in ''2: Xtreme Legends''.
** Okuni's charged attacks (notably the "charge 2" attack) from the first game possesses ridiculous amounts of striking power.
** Miyamoto Musashi is hilariously broken in ''Samurai Warriors 2'' for three reasons: first, he has the Personal Skill "Reversal" - whereas other characters will be {{Stunlock}}ed if struck several times in succession, Musashi can counter enemy strikes simply by pressing the charged attack button, interrupting an enemy combo to send his attackers-turned-victims flying. Secondly, one of his special abilities (via R1 + charged attack button) is a ShockwaveStomp quickly refilling the Musou Gauge by a set amount, meaning he can use "[[LimitBreak Musou Attacks]]" like no tomorrow once the gauge is filled; furthermore, the ShockwaveStomp causes guard break and stagger when enemies are hit by it, leaving them open for attack. Finally, Musashi's Musou Attack, due to a combination of damage, proximity and range, is the most devastating out of all characters in the game.
** Honda Tadakatsu is essentially the [[MemeticBadass Lu Bu]] of ''Samurai Warriors'' (though the interlude compares him moreso to Zhange Fei), yet he is faster than both of them (having above average attack and movement speed between ''Samurai Warriors'' characters), and all of his attacks deal high damage. In ''2'', not only do his special abilities allow him to regain a division of the Musou Gauge[[note]]The more enemies hit by this skill, the more Musou is gained.[[/note]] and damage enemies simply by ''running into them'', his Musou Attack can clear a room ''in seconds''.

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** Riding at top speed with ''Matzukaze'', ''Matsukaze'', the strongest and fastest mount in the first game with the best overall stats, will allow any character to pull a OneHitKill over anything the stallion can mow down.
** The five scrolls in the first ''Samurai Warriors'': by equipping all five, elemental attacks turn into {{One Hit Kill}s [[OneHitKill]]s that severely damages damage enemy officers. On a similar note, the "Demon" element ("Dark" element in the localization) from the second game does the same thing, until it was rectified in ''2: Xtreme Legends''.
** Okuni's charged attacks (notably the "charge 2" attack) her C2) from the first game possesses ridiculous amounts of striking power.
** Miyamoto Musashi is hilariously broken in ''Samurai Warriors 2'' for three reasons: reasons and [[PurposelyOverpowered deliberately so]] (WordOfGod states he was made as such so players can use him to truly experience the Chaos difficulty): first, he has the Personal Skill "Reversal" - whereas other characters will be {{Stunlock}}ed if struck several times in succession, Musashi can counter enemy strikes simply by pressing the charged attack button, using a charge attack, interrupting an enemy combo to send his attackers-turned-victims flying. flying (with the ending blow of his C4). Secondly, one of his special abilities (via R1 Special Skills (R1 + charged attack button) C) is a ShockwaveStomp quickly refilling the Musou Gauge by a set amount, meaning he can use "[[LimitBreak Musou Attacks]]" like no tomorrow once the gauge is filled; furthermore, the ShockwaveStomp said stomp causes guard break and stagger when enemies are hit by it, leaving them open for attack. Finally, Musashi's Musou Attack, due to a combination of damage, proximity and range, is the most devastating out of all characters in the game.
game. So far, his main weaknesses tends to be his lack of range outside of reaching fatal-marksmen and his stationary Musou Attack. It was telling when Musashi despite still being very good, had his ShockwaveStomp (which is now just R1) nerfed to the ground by only allowing him to fill up musou with it on hit, along with a new hitbox for his C3 finisher input and his Musou Attack juggling enemies too high.
** Honda Tadakatsu is essentially the [[MemeticBadass Lu Bu]] of ''Samurai Warriors'' (though the interlude compares him moreso more so to Zhange Zhang Fei), yet he is faster than both of them (having above average attack and movement speed between ''Samurai Warriors'' characters), and all of his attacks deal high damage. In ''2'', not only do his special abilities skills allow him to regain a division of the Musou Gauge[[note]]The more enemies hit by this skill, the more Musou is gained.[[/note]] and damage enemies simply by ''running into them'', his Musou Attack can clear a room ''in seconds''.



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23rd Feb '17 1:31:46 PM advent_child
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* AccidentalInnuendo: In an event of ''2:Empires'', Nobunaga wants to see [[{{Uke}} Ranmaru]]'s beautiful blade.
* AngstWhatAngst: Contrasting her reaction in ''3: Xtreme Legends'', Gracia is surprisingly not too saddened upon hearing of Mitsuhide Akechi's death in ''4''. During the "Battle of Hiketa" where she sides with Motochika Chosokabe against the Hashiba Army (who were responsible for her father's death), she will only say that she wants to continue her father's legacy. While Gracia DOES show a little angst in ''4-II'' when she receives the news of Mitsuhide's passing, with everyone labelling him a traitorous criminal, it lasts roughly a few seconds, and she's instantly back to being cheery.
* BadassDecay: Yoshimoto Imagawa, when compared to his historical self. The RealLife Yoshimoto is cunning, effective and menacing ''daimyo'', rivaling the likes of Shingen Takeda and Kenshin Uesugi. Unfortunately, [[NeverLiveItDown because he's the man who's beaten brutally through sheer luck by Nobunaga Oda in the latter's first big battle]] (then kickstarted the "Three Unifier's Era" of the UsefulNotes/SengokuJidai), ''Samurai Warriors'' turns Yoshimoto into an incompetent buffoon, the equivalent of Zhang Jiao from ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors''. In ''4'', [[Creator/{{Koei}} Koei Tecmo]] mitigates this by showcasing Yoshimoto with [[HiddenDepths a dark, serious side that is rarely brought to light]], one that reveals how terrifying and successful he can be as a ''daimyo''.
* BrokenBase:
** Fans are divided on whether character-specific or force-specific story modes are for the better. The latter is evidently easier to implement, but thanks to new characters in major installments often being cast as part of that game's SpotlightStealingSquad, it's left some existing characters feel insignificant.
** Koei's tendency to give possibly-fictional friendship/relationship among many characters. Some fans think they are well-written and justified because historical records from some of these characters are ''minimum'' so Koei had to improvise. Other fans think they are badly-written at worst or campy at best. Understandable, since some of these fictional friendship can be horribly misplaced. Hideyoshi's friendship with Magoichi? Yeah, they are fictional, and not to mention being part of Hideyoshi's HistoricalHeroUpgrade. Historically, none of the bearers of Magoichi Saika name get along well with Hideyoshi. In fact one of them, Suzuki Sadayu, is forced to commit suicide by Hideyoshi following the Battle of Komaki-Nagakute since he sided with Tokugawa.
*** Detractors also point out how Koei seemingly favors this kind of fictional elements more while omitting other potential stories which were more prominent in the history of that era, such as Hideyoshi's Invasion on Korea, Gracia's Christianity and her overall relationship with her husband Tadaoki (it's never really shown outside ''[=3:XL=]''), Kanbei's Christianity, etc. Supporters seem more understanding that these potential stories' nature can be disastrous in general, such as pissing Christians or Koreans off so they're better off without than causing drama (and also noting that rival game ''VideoGame/SengokuBasara'' also omits the Korean Invasion even if Hideyoshi was given HistoricalVillainUpgrade, though the Christianity is given a humorous spin due to the over the top setting allowing it, while the more down-to-earth approach of Musou games might not be the best fit)
* ContestedSequel:
** ''Samurai Warriors 2''. Whether it's good for expanding the storyline through Sekigahara and add many important playable characters, or it's cheesy with some over-the-top characterizations (e.g.: Kotaro's love of chaos, Kojiro's sociopathy, Oichi and Nagamasa's SickeninglySweethearts, etc). Not to mention the English dub is considerably worse than the first game.

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* AccidentalInnuendo: In During an event of ''2:Empires'', in ''2: Empires'', Oda Nobunaga wants to see [[{{Uke}} Ranmaru]]'s beautiful blade.
Mori Ranmaru's "beautiful blade"]].
* AngstWhatAngst: Contrasting her reaction in ''3: Xtreme Legends'', Gracia is surprisingly not too saddened upon hearing of Mitsuhide Akechi's Akechi Mitsuhide's death in ''4''. During the "Battle of Hiketa" where she sides with Chosokabe Motochika Chosokabe against the Hashiba Army (who were responsible for her father's death), she will only say that she wants to continue her father's legacy. While Gracia DOES show a little angst in ''4-II'' when she receives the news of Mitsuhide's passing, with everyone labelling him a traitorous criminal, it lasts roughly a few seconds, and she's instantly back to being cheery.
* BadassDecay: Yoshimoto Imagawa, Imagawa Yoshimoto, when compared to his historical self. counterpart. The RealLife Yoshimoto is a cunning, effective and menacing ''daimyo'', rivaling the likes of Takeda Shingen Takeda and Kenshin Uesugi. Uesugi Kenshin. Unfortunately, [[NeverLiveItDown because he's the man who's beaten brutally through sheer luck by Nobunaga Oda in the latter's first big battle]] (then kickstarted the "Three Unifier's Era" of the UsefulNotes/SengokuJidai), ''Samurai Warriors'' turns Yoshimoto into an incompetent buffoon, the equivalent of Zhang Jiao from ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors''. In ''4'', [[Creator/{{Koei}} Koei Tecmo]] mitigates this by showcasing Yoshimoto with [[HiddenDepths a dark, serious side that is rarely brought to light]], one that reveals how terrifying and successful he can be as a ''daimyo''.
* BrokenBase:
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** Fans are divided on whether character-specific or force-specific story modes are for the better. The latter is evidently easier to implement, but thanks to new characters in major installments often being cast as part of that game's SpotlightStealingSquad, it's left some existing pre-existing characters feel insignificant.
** Koei's Koei Tecmo's tendency to give possibly-fictional friendship/relationship friendships/relationships among many characters. Some the characters: some fans think they are well-written and justified because historical records from some of these characters are ''minimum'' so Koei had minimal, forcing the developers to improvise. Other fans think improvise, but others believe they are are, at its worst, badly-written (or campy, at worst or campy at best. Understandable, since best). This is understandable when some of these fictional friendship friendships can be horribly misplaced. misplaced - Toyotomi Hideyoshi's friendship with Saika Magoichi? Yeah, they are fictional, and Sounds doable, not to mention being it's part of Hideyoshi's HistoricalHeroUpgrade. Historically, HistoricalHeroUpgrade in these games, but none of the RealLife bearers of the Saika Magoichi Saika name get ever got along well with Hideyoshi. In fact fact, one of them, Suzuki Sadayu, Sadayu Suzuki, is forced to commit suicide {{Seppuku}} by Hideyoshi following the Battle of Komaki-Nagakute since he sided with Tokugawa.
Tokugawa Ieyasu.
*** Detractors also point out how Koei seemingly favors this kind of Tecmo seems to favor these fictional elements more while omitting other potential stories which were more that are prominent in the history of that era, such as Hideyoshi's Invasion on invasion of Korea, Gracia's religious alignment with Christianity and her overall relationship with her husband Tadaoki (it's never really shown outside ''[=3:XL=]''), Kanbei's Christianity, of ''3: Xtreme Legends''), Kuroda Kanbei and his relationship with foreigners, etc. Supporters seem appear more understanding that the nature of these potential stories' nature stories can be disastrous in general, such as pissing (a la ValuesDissonance and WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical) to certain players, particularly RealLife Christians or Koreans off so and Koreans, thus it's better if they're better off without than causing drama (and also not implemented (worth noting that is rival game series ''VideoGame/SengokuBasara'' also omits the Korean Invasion Invasion, even if though Hideyoshi was is given a HistoricalVillainUpgrade, though the Christianity aspect is given a humorous spin due to the over the top over-the-top setting allowing it, while the more down-to-earth approach of Musou games the ''Warriors'' series might not be the best fit)
fit).
* ContestedSequel:
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** ''Samurai Warriors 2''. Whether 2'' on whether it's good for expanding of the game to expand the storyline through the Battle of Sekigahara and add many important playable characters, characters or it's cheesy with some over-the-top characterizations (e.g.: Fuma Kotaro's love of chaos, Sasaki Kojiro's sociopathy, Oichi and Nagamasa's Azai Nagamasa being SickeninglySweethearts, etc). Not to mention Furthermore, the English dub is considerably generall considered worse than the first game.



** Yukimura Sanada and Zhao Yun: {{Bishounen}}, BladeOnAStick-wielding {{Mascot}}s of their respective series. Like Nobunaga/Cao Cao, this also gets mentioned in the crossover, but is given greater emphasis when the two are seen partnering up in the opening CG movie, even belonging to the same faction.
* CrazyAwesome: Ujiyasu Hojo; he'd have to be in order to pull off some of the insane stuff he does.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Yukimura's last stage, the "Siege of Osaka Castle", in ''3''; just fight until [[spoiler:Hideyori Toyotomi is killed by Hattori Hanzo]] and simply listen.
** Naomasa Ii's {{Leitmotif}} in ''4-II'' entitled "Belief" is an absolutely gorgeous and heart-pounding track.

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** Sanada Yukimura Sanada and Zhao Yun: {{Bishounen}}, BladeOnAStick-wielding {{Mascot}}s of their respective series. Like Nobunaga/Cao Cao, this also gets mentioned in the crossover, but is given greater emphasis when the two are seen partnering up in the opening CG movie, even belonging to the same faction.
* CrazyAwesome: Ujiyasu Hojo; Hojo Ujiyasu; he'd have to be in order to pull off some of the insane stuff he does.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Yukimura's last stage, the "Siege of Osaka Castle", in ''3''; just fight until [[spoiler:Hideyori Toyotomi [[spoiler:Toyotomi Hideyori is killed by Hattori Hanzo]] and simply listen.
** Naomasa Ii's Ii Naomasa's {{Leitmotif}} in ''4-II'' entitled "Belief" is an absolutely gorgeous and heart-pounding track.



** Ranmaru Mori for [[DudeLooksLikeALady obvious reasons]]; case in point, there was so much outrage after he was DemotedToExtra in ''2''. Since then, Ranmaru's gradually reclaimed his relevance in later installments.
** Motonari Mori: he wasn't officially revealed for the initial line-up of ''3'' until ''a day before the release'', nor does he get mixed in with the whole FoeYay[=/=]HoYay stuff among other members of the roster. His character design renders him nothing close to a ''Warriors''-styled {{Bishounen}} (despite being middle-aged), yet fan artists love his appearance.
** In a popularity poll coinciding with ''Samurai Warriors 3: Empires'', Sakon Shima wound up being the fourth most popular character behind Mitsunari Ishida (one of the series' most important characters), Yukimura (the poster boy) and Gracia (who owes herself to this trope as well).

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** Ranmaru Mori for [[DudeLooksLikeALady obvious reasons]]; case in point, there was so much outrage after he was DemotedToExtra in ''2''. Since then, Ranmaru's gradually reclaimed his relevance in later installments.
** Motonari Mori: Mori Motonari: he wasn't officially revealed for the initial line-up of ''3'' until ''a day before the release'', nor does he get mixed in with the whole FoeYay[=/=]HoYay stuff among other members of the roster. His character design renders him nothing close to a ''Warriors''-styled {{Bishounen}} (despite being middle-aged), yet fan artists love his appearance.
** In a popularity poll coinciding with ''Samurai Warriors 3: ''3: Empires'', Shima Sakon Shima wound up being the fourth most popular character behind Ishida Mitsunari Ishida (one of the series' most important characters), Yukimura (the poster boy) and Gracia (who owes herself to this trope as well).



** Musashi Miyamoto is hilariously broken in ''Samurai Warriors 2'' for three reasons: first, he has the Personal Skill "Reversal" - whereas other characters will be {{Stunlock}}ed if struck several times in succession, Musashi can counter enemy strikes simply by pressing the charged attack button, interrupting an enemy combo to send his attackers-turned-victims flying. Secondly, one of his special abilities (via R1 + charged attack button) is a ShockwaveStomp quickly refilling the Musou Gauge by a set amount, meaning he can use "[[LimitBreak Musou Attacks]]" like no tomorrow once the gauge is filled; furthermore, the ShockwaveStomp causes guard break and stagger when enemies are hit by it, leaving them open for attack. Finally, Musashi's Musou Attack, due to a combination of damage, proximity and range, is the most devastating out of all characters in the game.
** Tadakatsu Honda is essentially the [[MemeticBadass Lu Bu]] of ''Samurai Warriors'' (though the interlude compares him moreso to Zhange Fei), yet he is faster than both of them (having above average attack and movement speed between ''Samurai Warriors'' characters), and all of his attacks deal high damage. In ''2'', not only do his special abilities allow him to regain a division of the Musou Gauge[[note]]The more enemies hit by this skill, the more Musou is gained.[[/note]] and damage enemies simply by ''running into them'', his Musou Attack can clear a room ''in seconds''.

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** Musashi Miyamoto Musashi is hilariously broken in ''Samurai Warriors 2'' for three reasons: first, he has the Personal Skill "Reversal" - whereas other characters will be {{Stunlock}}ed if struck several times in succession, Musashi can counter enemy strikes simply by pressing the charged attack button, interrupting an enemy combo to send his attackers-turned-victims flying. Secondly, one of his special abilities (via R1 + charged attack button) is a ShockwaveStomp quickly refilling the Musou Gauge by a set amount, meaning he can use "[[LimitBreak Musou Attacks]]" like no tomorrow once the gauge is filled; furthermore, the ShockwaveStomp causes guard break and stagger when enemies are hit by it, leaving them open for attack. Finally, Musashi's Musou Attack, due to a combination of damage, proximity and range, is the most devastating out of all characters in the game.
** Honda Tadakatsu Honda is essentially the [[MemeticBadass Lu Bu]] of ''Samurai Warriors'' (though the interlude compares him moreso to Zhange Fei), yet he is faster than both of them (having above average attack and movement speed between ''Samurai Warriors'' characters), and all of his attacks deal high damage. In ''2'', not only do his special abilities allow him to regain a division of the Musou Gauge[[note]]The more enemies hit by this skill, the more Musou is gained.[[/note]] and damage enemies simply by ''running into them'', his Musou Attack can clear a room ''in seconds''.



* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: When Koshosho was revealed for the line-up in ''4'', Japanese players were really annoyed at her character design and her list of [[ManipulativeBastard manipulated men]] includes "''Samurai Warriors'' fans" that were pissed she made it onto the roster with an incredibly outrageous appearance, when other popular choices like Choukei Miyoshi or Motochika's wife Nana didn't make the cut. However, Western players consider Koshosho's overexaggerated aspects utterly fabulous, making her many a player's favorite.
* HarsherInHindsight: Playing Motonari's story in ''3'' and seeing his sons (Kobayakawa Takakage, Kikkawa Motoharu, and Mouri Takamoto) and grandson (Mouri Terumoto) as allied officers is a bit harsher when you remember their descendants (Kobayakawa Hideaki, Kikkawa Hiroie, and Mouri Hidemoto) are known traitors in Sekigahara, even if they betrayed Toyotomi clan to save Mouri clan (along with Kikkawa and Kobayakawa clans as they are Mouri clan's retainers) from Tokugawa clan. Likewise, playing Mouri clan's story in ''4'' and Takakage's own story in ''4-II'' will make you feel this way as well, especially because Takakage loyally fought for the Toyotomi up until his off-screen death.
* HilariousInHindsight: The RealLife marriage between Creator/RyotaroOkiayu (Motochika) and Creator/AiMaeda (Oichi) is funny when one considers the historical Oichi cheated on Nagamasa Azai for Motochika.

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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: When Koshosho was revealed for the line-up in ''4'', Japanese players were really annoyed at her character design and her list of [[ManipulativeBastard manipulated men]] includes "''Samurai Warriors'' fans" that were pissed she made it onto the roster with an incredibly outrageous appearance, when other popular choices like Miyoshi Choukei Miyoshi or Motochika's wife Nana didn't make the cut. However, Western players consider Koshosho's overexaggerated aspects utterly fabulous, making her many a player's favorite.
* HarsherInHindsight: Playing Motonari's story in ''3'' and seeing his sons (Kobayakawa Takakage, Kikkawa Motoharu, Motoharu and Mouri Mori Takamoto) and grandson (Mouri (Mori Terumoto) as allied officers is a bit harsher harsh when you remember one recalls their descendants (Kobayakawa Hideaki, Kikkawa Hiroie, Hiroie and Mouri Mori Hidemoto) are known traitors in at the Battle of Sekigahara, even if they betrayed the Toyotomi clan to save Mouri the Mori clan (along with the Kikkawa and Kobayakawa clans as clans, given they are Mouri clan's retainers) retainers to the Mori clan) from Tokugawa clan. the Tokugawa. Likewise, playing Mouri the Mori clan's story in ''4'' and Takakage's own story in ''4-II'' will make you players feel this way as well, especially because when Takakage loyally fought for the Toyotomi up until his off-screen death.
* HilariousInHindsight: The RealLife marriage between Creator/RyotaroOkiayu (Motochika) and Creator/AiMaeda (Oichi) is funny when one considers the historical Oichi cheated on Nagamasa Azai for Motochika.



** When Naotora Ii was announced as an addition, fans expected her to be a total badass, being one of the few female ''daimyo'' in Japanese history. Unfortunately, she wasn't exactly welcomed due to her meek, ReluctantWarrior personality, which reminded ''Warriors'' veterans of Daqiao, including her blatant {{Fanservice}}y character designs. Compounding this was fans fearing this meant her inclusion means [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan-favorite]] Naomasa (her adopted son, one of Ieyasu Tokugawa's ''Shi-Tennou'' nicknamed the "Red Devil") wouldn't be added any time soon. However, Naomasa would make it onto the roster for ''[[UpdatedReRelease Samurai Warriors 4-II]]'' and Naotora received some CharacterDevelopment on her own by [[TookALevelInBadass becoming a strong-willed woman without losing who she is]], leading to an [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap improved opinion of her for many fans]].
** Hisahide Matsunaga was ill-received for his ridiculously over-the-top character design (even by ''Samurai Warriors'' standards), [[CardCarryingVillain general pretentiousness]], the undue importance put on his presence in the Oda camp (for some reason, he suddenly takes credit to Hideyoshi Toyotomi's accomplishment in "Kanegasaki" in the Oda Legend chapter, though it's much to Hisahide's chagrin) and soaking up what some feel to be a disproportionate amount of screen-time (see {{Sequelitis}} below).

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** When Ii Naotora Ii was announced as an addition, fans expected her to be a total badass, being one of the few female ''daimyo'' in Japanese history. Unfortunately, she wasn't exactly welcomed due to her meek, ReluctantWarrior personality, which reminded ''Warriors'' veterans of Daqiao, including her blatant {{Fanservice}}y character designs. Compounding this was fans fearing this meant her inclusion means [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan-favorite]] Naomasa (her adopted son, one of Ieyasu Tokugawa's Ieyasu's ''Shi-Tennou'' nicknamed the "Red Devil") wouldn't be added any time soon. However, Naomasa would make it onto the roster for ''[[UpdatedReRelease Samurai Warriors 4-II]]'' and Naotora received some CharacterDevelopment on her own by [[TookALevelInBadass becoming a strong-willed woman without losing who she is]], leading to an [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap improved opinion of her for many fans]].
** Hisahide Matsunaga Hisahide was ill-received for his ridiculously over-the-top character design (even by ''Samurai Warriors'' standards), [[CardCarryingVillain general pretentiousness]], the undue importance put on his presence in the Oda camp (for some reason, he suddenly takes credit to Hideyoshi Toyotomi's Hideyoshi's accomplishment in "Kanegasaki" in Kanegasaki for the Oda Legend chapter, though it's much to Hisahide's chagrin) and soaking up what some feel to be a disproportionate amount of screen-time (see {{Sequelitis}} below).



** Given his [[VideoGame/NobunagasAmbition other portrayals]] [[VideoGame/SengokuBasara throughout]] [[VideoGame/NobunagaConcerto fiction]], it can't be a coincidence Hisahide Matsunaga's blatantly aware of his CardCarryingVillain status.
** Koei Tecmo has been known to do some "one-upping" of their rivalry with Creator/{{Capcom}} when it comes to [[VideoGame/SengokuBasara their iteration]] of the HackAndSlash UsefulNotes/JidaiGeki video game, be it temporarily making two poster boys of the latter (Masamune Date and Keiji Maeda) take villainous roles in ''Warriors Orochi'' or the aforementioned Hisahide [[SpotlightStealingSquad taking up more of the story than historically relevant individuals]]. This is truly emphasized when the publisher announced ''Samurai Warriors: Sanada Maru'' as a response to Capcom's ''Sengoku Basara: Sanada Yukimura-Den'', where both {{Spin Off}}s feature Yukimura as the protagonist. However, Tecmo Koei ensures ''Sanada Maru'' is vastly different by adding Yukimura's father Masayuki Sanada as a {{Deuteragonist}}; furthermore, when Capcom stated there won't be any new female characters in ''Yukimura-Den'', making it akin to a [[CastFullOfPrettyBoys sausage-fest]], Tecmo Koei revealed ''Sanada Maru'' will have an important female character playable during the Siege of Osaka Castle: Nagamasa and Oichi's daughter, Chacha.

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** Given his [[VideoGame/NobunagasAmbition other portrayals]] [[VideoGame/SengokuBasara throughout]] [[VideoGame/NobunagaConcerto fiction]], it can't be a coincidence Hisahide Matsunaga's Hisahide's blatantly aware of his CardCarryingVillain status.
** Koei Tecmo has been known to do some "one-upping" of their rivalry with Creator/{{Capcom}} when it comes to [[VideoGame/SengokuBasara their iteration]] of the HackAndSlash UsefulNotes/JidaiGeki video game, be it temporarily making two poster boys of the latter (Masamune Date (Date Masamune and Keiji Maeda) Maeda Keiji) take villainous roles in ''Warriors Orochi'' or the aforementioned Hisahide [[SpotlightStealingSquad taking up more of the story than historically relevant individuals]]. This is truly emphasized when the publisher announced ''Samurai Warriors: Sanada Maru'' Spirit of Sanada'' as a response to Capcom's ''Sengoku Basara: Sanada Yukimura-Den'', where both {{Spin Off}}s feature Yukimura as the protagonist. However, Tecmo Koei ensures ''Sanada Maru'' ''Spirit of Sanada'' is vastly different by adding Yukimura's father Sanada Masayuki Sanada as a {{Deuteragonist}}; furthermore, when Capcom stated there won't be any new female characters in ''Yukimura-Den'', making it akin to a [[CastFullOfPrettyBoys sausage-fest]], Koei Tecmo Koei revealed ''Sanada Maru'' will have ''Spirt of Sanada'' has an important female character playable during the Siege of Osaka Castle: Nagamasa and Oichi's daughter, Chacha.



** In ''Katana'', the second Magoichi Saika mission with Ina: players must defeat 15 enemies (including transport units) in 4 minutes (slightly extendable via the ''Magatama'' item). The best enemies to defeat would be {{Ninja}}s, except they're {{Nigh Invulnerab|ility}}le whenever they prepare to teleport out of sight. Curiously enough, the game actively avoids LuckBasedMission here and instead hits GuideDangIt. How? Any specific enemy appears ONLY when players enter a certain intersection from a certain direction. Once this occurs, the level becomes more a case of plotting out an exact route through the map so as to get the most {{Ninja}}s to appear in the shortest amount of time.
** Runner-up is the last mission in Kotaro Fuma's second stage - take any damage whatsoever and [[FakeDifficulty the stage automatically ends; players will receive a "D" rank]].

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** In ''Katana'', the second Magoichi Saika mission with Ina: players must defeat 15 enemies (including transport units) in 4 minutes (slightly extendable via the ''Magatama'' item). The best enemies to defeat would be {{Ninja}}s, except they're {{Nigh Invulnerab|ility}}le whenever they prepare to teleport out of sight. Curiously enough, the game actively avoids LuckBasedMission here and instead hits GuideDangIt. How? Any specific enemy appears ONLY when players enter a certain intersection from a certain direction. Once this occurs, the level becomes more a case of plotting out an exact route through the map so as to get the most {{Ninja}}s to appear in the shortest amount of time.
** Runner-up is the last mission in Kotaro Fuma's Kotaro's second stage - take any damage whatsoever and [[FakeDifficulty the stage automatically ends; players will receive a "D" rank]].



** A large portion of the cast also benefits from not mentioning the historical Christian incursion into Japan as Hideyoshi and Ieyasu were against it and [[HistoricalHeroUpgrade it saves Kiyomasa Kato from being portrayed as a brutal pro-Buddhist supporter who'd order his men to cut the bellies of Christian women and kill their infant babies inside]]. This also means it's unlikely [[UsefulNotes/AmakusaShiro Amakusa Shiro Tokisada]] and UsefulNotes/DomJustoTakayamaUkon will ever be included in ''Samurai Warriors''.

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** A large portion of the cast also benefits from not mentioning the historical Christian incursion into Japan as Hideyoshi and Ieyasu were against it and [[HistoricalHeroUpgrade it saves Kato Kiyomasa Kato from being portrayed as a brutal pro-Buddhist supporter who'd order his men to cut the bellies of Christian women and kill their infant babies inside]]. This also means it's unlikely [[UsefulNotes/AmakusaShiro Amakusa Shiro Tokisada]] and UsefulNotes/DomJustoTakayamaUkon will ever be included in ''Samurai Warriors''.



** While there have been non-Japanese {{Samurai}} historically (such as [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Adams_%28sailor%29 Anjin Miura/William Adams]]), it's possible Koei Tecmo won't include them in order to avoid UnfortunateImplications. Take [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke Yasuke]], for example: a historically black, African {{Samurai}} serving under the orders of Nobunaga and [[EvilOverlord everyone knows how Nobunaga is depicted traditionally in fiction]]. Oddly enough, Yasuke ''does'' appear in ''VideoGame/NobunagasAmbition'' as one of the many {{Ronin}} Nobunaga and other ''daimyo'' can recruit in the game, but compared to ''Samurai Warriors'', not a lot of players would be aware of this, given how incredibly niche ''Nobunaga's Ambition'' is. Meanwhile, Anjin/William would go on to star [[VideoGame/{{Nioh}} in his own video game]] from the same company, no less, and even brings Yasuke in as an NPC.
* ToyShip: From ''Sanada Maru'', Chibi!Yukimura and Chibi!Chacha do make an impression among certain fandoms.
* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Katsuie Shibata's relationship with Oichi (historically, it's rumored they were engaged to be married before Nobunaga decided a political alliance with Nagamasa was more profitable) is severely downplayed to the point of it being non-existant in favor of her relationship with Nagamasa. However, when fighting at the "Battle of Shizugatake" (Katsuie vs. Hideyoshi to "succeed" Nobunaga), Oichi will side with Katsuie.

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** While there have been non-Japanese {{Samurai}} historically (such as [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Adams_%28sailor%29 Anjin Miura/William Miura Anjin/William Adams]]), it's possible Koei Tecmo won't include them in order to avoid UnfortunateImplications. Take [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke Yasuke]], for example: a historically black, African {{Samurai}} serving under the orders of Nobunaga and [[EvilOverlord everyone knows how Nobunaga is depicted traditionally in fiction]]. Oddly enough, Yasuke ''does'' appear in ''VideoGame/NobunagasAmbition'' as one of the many {{Ronin}} Nobunaga and other ''daimyo'' can recruit in the game, but compared to ''Samurai Warriors'', not a lot of players would be aware of this, given how incredibly niche ''Nobunaga's Ambition'' is. Meanwhile, Anjin/William would go on to star [[VideoGame/{{Nioh}} in his own video game]] from the same company, no less, and even brings bringing in Yasuke in as an NPC.
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* ToyShip: From ''Sanada Maru'', Chibi!Yukimura After their first encounter in ''Spirit of Sanada'', a young Chacha and Chibi!Chacha do make an Yukimura as children instantly triggered this impression among certain fandoms.
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* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Katsuie Shibata's Shibata Katsuie's relationship with Oichi (historically, it's rumored they were engaged to be married before Nobunaga decided a political alliance with Nagamasa was more profitable) is severely downplayed in ''Samurai Warriors'' to the point of it being non-existant in favor of her relationship with Nagamasa. However, when fighting at the "Battle of Shizugatake" (Katsuie vs. Hideyoshi to "succeed" Nobunaga), Oichi will side with Katsuie.



** Due to his young age, relatively high-[itched voice and wearing androgynous clothing, this happens with Hanbei Takenaka just as often.
** You could also easily mistook Sasuke Sarutobi as a girl in one glance.

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** Due to his young age, relatively high-[itched voice high-pitched CrossDressingVoice and wearing androgynous clothing, this happens with Hanbei Takenaka Hanbei just as often.
** You could also easily mistook With one glance, but without closely examining him, Sasuke Sarutobi as a girl in one glance.''Spirit of Sanada''; however, this is mitigated by the character actually being voiced by a man, unlike the two previous examples.



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** In ''Sanada Maru'', there's Chacha. First she [[HarmfulToMinors personally witnesses]] her father's staying in the burning Odani Castle to his death, then many years later, she dies in similar fashion in the burning Osaka Castle.

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** In ''Sanada Maru'', there's Chacha. First ''Spirit of Sanada'', Chacha: she [[HarmfulToMinors personally witnesses]] her father's father Nagamasa staying in the burning to die as Odani Castle burns to his death, then the ground; many years later, she dies in a similar fashion in at the burning Siege of Osaka Castle.



* WTHCastingAgency: This depends on which version most players have tried first; it certainly doesn't help the roster gets cleaned out with every major installment. Most seem to agree Keiji's voice actor in ''Samurai Warriors 2'' was a definite downgrade from his [[Creator/SteveBlum well-beloved one]] in the first game. Averted with the subtitles-only ''4'', though now it's a matter of whether or not players can enjoy certain the vocal delivery styles from Japanese voice actors.

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This depends on which version most players have tried first; it certainly doesn't help the roster gets cleaned out with every major installment. Most seem to agree Keiji's voice actor in ''Samurai Warriors 2'' was a definite downgrade from his [[Creator/SteveBlum well-beloved one]] in the first game. Averted with the subtitles-only ''4'', though now it's a matter of whether or not players can enjoy certain the vocal delivery styles from Japanese voice actors.
20th Feb '17 8:30:42 PM ChrisX
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*** Detractors also point out how Koei seemingly favors this kind of fictional elements more while omitting other potential stories which were more prominent in the history of that era, such as Hideyoshi's Invasion on Korea, Gracia's Christianity and her overall relationship with her husband Tadaoki (it's never really shown outside ''[=3:XL=]''), Kanbei's Christianity, etc.

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*** Detractors also point out how Koei seemingly favors this kind of fictional elements more while omitting other potential stories which were more prominent in the history of that era, such as Hideyoshi's Invasion on Korea, Gracia's Christianity and her overall relationship with her husband Tadaoki (it's never really shown outside ''[=3:XL=]''), Kanbei's Christianity, etc. Supporters seem more understanding that these potential stories' nature can be disastrous in general, such as pissing Christians or Koreans off so they're better off without than causing drama (and also noting that rival game ''VideoGame/SengokuBasara'' also omits the Korean Invasion even if Hideyoshi was given HistoricalVillainUpgrade, though the Christianity is given a humorous spin due to the over the top setting allowing it, while the more down-to-earth approach of Musou games might not be the best fit)
18th Feb '17 12:06:46 AM sayaleviathan
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** A large portion of the cast also benefits from not mentioning the historical Christian incursion into Japan as Hideyoshi and Ieyasu were against it and [[HistoricalHeroUpgrade it saves Kiyomasa Kato from being portrayed as a brutal pro-Buddhist supporter who'd order his men to cut the bellies of Christian women and kill their infant babies inside]]. This also means it's unlikely [[UsefulNotes/AmakusaShiro Amakusa Shiro Tokisada]] will ever be included in ''Samurai Warriors''.

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** A large portion of the cast also benefits from not mentioning the historical Christian incursion into Japan as Hideyoshi and Ieyasu were against it and [[HistoricalHeroUpgrade it saves Kiyomasa Kato from being portrayed as a brutal pro-Buddhist supporter who'd order his men to cut the bellies of Christian women and kill their infant babies inside]]. This also means it's unlikely [[UsefulNotes/AmakusaShiro Amakusa Shiro Tokisada]] and UsefulNotes/DomJustoTakayamaUkon will ever be included in ''Samurai Warriors''.
7th Feb '17 7:56:36 AM Phoenixion
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*** Detractors also point out how Koei seemingly favors this kind of fictional elements more while omitting other potential stories which were more prominent in the history of that era, such as Hideyoshi's Invasion on Korea, Gracia's Christianity and her overall relationship with her husband Tadaoki (it's never really shown outside ''[=3:XL=]''), Kanbei's Christianity, etc.
7th Feb '17 6:24:36 AM Phoenixion
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* BrokenBase: Fans are divided on whether character-specific or force-specific story modes are for the better. The latter is evidently easier to implement, but thanks to new characters in major installments often being cast as part of that game's SpotlightStealingSquad, it's left some existing characters feel insignificant.

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Fans are divided on whether character-specific or force-specific story modes are for the better. The latter is evidently easier to implement, but thanks to new characters in major installments often being cast as part of that game's SpotlightStealingSquad, it's left some existing characters feel insignificant. insignificant.
** Koei's tendency to give possibly-fictional friendship/relationship among many characters. Some fans think they are well-written and justified because historical records from some of these characters are ''minimum'' so Koei had to improvise. Other fans think they are badly-written at worst or campy at best. Understandable, since some of these fictional friendship can be horribly misplaced. Hideyoshi's friendship with Magoichi? Yeah, they are fictional, and not to mention being part of Hideyoshi's HistoricalHeroUpgrade. Historically, none of the bearers of Magoichi Saika name get along well with Hideyoshi. In fact one of them, Suzuki Sadayu, is forced to commit suicide by Hideyoshi following the Battle of Komaki-Nagakute since he sided with Tokugawa.
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