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* CultClassic - The game is, safe to say, quite incomplete and some may be put off with its non-linearity. A lot liked that non-linearity, along with party customization, awesome music by Creator/KenjiIto, quirky characters and more, making it one of the most classic JRPG alongside its sequel.
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* TheWoobie: ''Asellus''. Used to be a normal, happy girl, but then she got ran over by a carriage, turned into a Half-Mystic where Mystics scorn her, humans are scared of her and she was rejected by almost everyone that knew her. She kept getting hunted by the Mystics because one of Orlouge's Mistresses, her best friend White Rose, stays with her and eventually lost her in Orlouge's labyrinth, breaking her heart. And in the end, she either dies liberating herself from her Mystic blood, or went mad with power because of it, or accepts that she'll never be human again or be accepted as a Mystic and wanders the Earth for eternity, seeing her human friends age and die while she stays forever young.
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* JustHereForGodzilla: Some players only play this because of Red's story...
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* JustHereForGodzilla: Some players only play this because of Red's story...story since he's not available in any other stories, his story is less mind-screwy being about a {{Tokusatsu}} style superhero, and [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome some of the best boss musics]] play for more than once in his game ([[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FODQT0128FA Battle #5]], plays three times when fighting all forms of [=MBlack=], the only other scenario that plays this music is Asellus, and it's just once during the fight against [=BatKnight=]/[[spoiler:Ghost!Ciato]])
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* GoodBadBugs - Takonomics, named in honor of the man who discovered it: in Koorong, the price of gold goes down as you sell ingots and back up as you buy, but this calculation is (erroneously) made ''before'' any actual physical inventory changes hand. You can therefore manipulate the gold market in the shop menu such that when you actually sell your gold, you get more money back. Then you travel to Nelson, where gold ingots are always sold at a fixed price, and repeat until you have all the money you'll ever need.
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* GoodBadBugs - GoodBadBugs:
** Takonomics, named in honor of the man who discovered it: in Koorong, the price of gold goes down as you sell ingots and back up as you buy, but this calculation is (erroneously) made ''before'' any actual physical inventory changes hand. You can therefore manipulate the gold market in the shop menu such that when you actually sell your gold, you get more money back. Then you travel to Nelson, where gold ingots are always sold at a fixed price, and repeat until you have all the money you'll ever need.
** Takonomics, named in honor of the man who discovered it: in Koorong, the price of gold goes down as you sell ingots and back up as you buy, but this calculation is (erroneously) made ''before'' any actual physical inventory changes hand. You can therefore manipulate the gold market in the shop menu such that when you actually sell your gold, you get more money back. Then you travel to Nelson, where gold ingots are always sold at a fixed price, and repeat until you have all the money you'll ever need.
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* HoYay: From the "Essence of [=SaGa=] Frontier"- Ildon and Rastaban are lovers. Asellus and Gina could be considered an item too if you get the Mystic ending.
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** From the "Essence of [=SaGa=] Frontier"- Ildon and Rastaban are lovers. Asellus and Gina could be considered an item too if you get the Mystic ending.
** From the "Essence of [=SaGa=] Frontier"- Ildon and Rastaban are lovers. Asellus and Gina could be considered an item too if you get the Mystic ending.
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** Tanzer's heart, ''also'' from Riki's scenario. It's the second boss in his story, but it honestly feels like it should be a mid-game encounter. The organ can one-shot your characters with its Acid Breath, it effectively gets extra moves thanks to all the surrounding tendrils that you can't target, and it has a staggering amount of HP at its disposal. Worse, Tanzer's body is a terrible location to LevelGrind in because there are no shops or inns to replenish your stats. So if you didn't prepare for it before getting swallowed by the beast (and without a guide, you won't know it happens), and/or blew all your JP and WP on the minor encounters litters the place, then you're going to be stuck in an UnwinnableByMistake situation.
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** Tanzer's heart, ''also'' from Riki's scenario. It's the second boss in his story, but it honestly feels like it should be a mid-game encounter. The organ can one-shot your characters with its Acid Breath, it effectively gets extra moves thanks to all the surrounding tendrils that you can't target, and it has a staggering amount of HP at its disposal. Worse, Tanzer's body is a terrible location to LevelGrind in because there are no shops or inns to replenish your stats. So if you didn't prepare for it before getting swallowed by the beast (and without a guide, you won't know it happens), and/or blew all your JP and WP on the minor encounters litters littering the place, then you're going to be stuck in an UnwinnableByMistake situation.
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** Tanzer's heart, ''also'' from Riki's scenario. It's the second boss in his story, but it honestly feels like it should be a mid-game encounter. The organ can one-shot your characters with its Acid Breath, it effectively gets extra moves thanks to all the surrounding tendrils that you can't target, and it has a staggering amount of HP at its disposal. Worse, Tanzer's body is a terrible location to LevelGrind in because there are no shops or inns to restore your stats. So if you didn't prepare for it before getting swallowed by the beast (and without a guide, you won't know it happens), then you're going to be stuck in an UnwinnableByMistake situation.
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** Tanzer's heart, ''also'' from Riki's scenario. It's the second boss in his story, but it honestly feels like it should be a mid-game encounter. The organ can one-shot your characters with its Acid Breath, it effectively gets extra moves thanks to all the surrounding tendrils that you can't target, and it has a staggering amount of HP at its disposal. Worse, Tanzer's body is a terrible location to LevelGrind in because there are no shops or inns to restore replenish your stats. So if you didn't prepare for it before getting swallowed by the beast (and without a guide, you won't know it happens), and/or blew all your JP and WP on the minor encounters litters the place, then you're going to be stuck in an UnwinnableByMistake situation.
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** Virgil in Riki's scenario. He differs from most bosses in that to defeat him, you have to score points by throwing combos at him. Two-point combos are a no-go, and you can't repeat the same combo twice. If you don't know how the combo mechanics work up to this point, or haven't been writing down any of the combos you've chanced upon up to this point, then you're pretty much stuck. Worse, you have to take him on with Riki in your party, and monsters have a hard time racking up combos.
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** Virgil in Riki's scenario. He differs from most bosses in that to defeat him, you have to score points by throwing combos at him. Two-point combos are a no-go, and you can't repeat the same combo twice. If you don't know how the combo mechanics work up to this point, work, or haven't been writing down any of the combos you've chanced upon up to this point, then you're pretty much stuck. Worse, you have to take him on with Riki in your party, and monsters have a hard time racking up combos.
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* {{Woolseyism}}- A minor one- Alkaiser's Shin[[labelnote:*]]True[[/labelnote]]-Al-Phoenix becomes Re-Al[[labelnote:*]][[{{Pun}} Real]][[/labelnote]]-Phoenix
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* {{Woolseyism}}- {{Woolseyism}}: A minor one- Alkaiser's Shin[[labelnote:*]]True[[/labelnote]]-Al-Phoenix becomes Re-Al[[labelnote:*]][[{{Pun}} Real]][[/labelnote]]-Phoenix
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* TheScrappy- Slime, who comes from nowhere and goes nowhere. Except in ''[[AllThereintheManual Essence]]'', where he does quite a bit.
* ScrappyLevel- Riki's Mosperiburg dungeon. From the Magma Slimes to the Mystic Spikes, to the PuzzleBoss fight, it's... unpleasant to say the least.
* ScrappyLevel- Riki's Mosperiburg dungeon. From the Magma Slimes to the Mystic Spikes, to the PuzzleBoss fight, it's... unpleasant to say the least.
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* TheScrappy- TheScrappy: Slime, who comes from nowhere and goes nowhere. Except in ''[[AllThereintheManual Essence]]'', where he does quite a bit.
*ScrappyLevel- ThatOneBoss:
** Virgil in Riki's scenario. He differs from most bosses in that to defeat him, you have to score points by throwing combos at him. Two-point combos are a no-go, and you can't repeat the same combo twice. If you don't know how the combo mechanics work up to this point, or haven't been writing down any of the combos you've chanced upon up to this point, then you're pretty much stuck. Worse, you have to take him on with Riki in your party, and monsters have a hard time racking up combos.
** Tanzer's heart, ''also'' from Riki's scenario. It's the second boss in his story, but it honestly feels like it should be a mid-game encounter. The organ can one-shot your characters with its Acid Breath, it effectively gets extra moves thanks to all the surrounding tendrils that you can't target, and it has a staggering amount of HP at its disposal. Worse, Tanzer's body is a terrible location to LevelGrind in because there are no shops or inns to restore your stats. So if you didn't prepare for it before getting swallowed by the beast (and without a guide, you won't know it happens), then you're going to be stuck in an UnwinnableByMistake situation.
* ThatOneLevel: Riki's Mosperiburg dungeon. From the Magma Slimes to the Mystic Spikes, to the PuzzleBoss fight, it's... unpleasant to say the least.
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** Virgil in Riki's scenario. He differs from most bosses in that to defeat him, you have to score points by throwing combos at him. Two-point combos are a no-go, and you can't repeat the same combo twice. If you don't know how the combo mechanics work up to this point, or haven't been writing down any of the combos you've chanced upon up to this point, then you're pretty much stuck. Worse, you have to take him on with Riki in your party, and monsters have a hard time racking up combos.
** Tanzer's heart, ''also'' from Riki's scenario. It's the second boss in his story, but it honestly feels like it should be a mid-game encounter. The organ can one-shot your characters with its Acid Breath, it effectively gets extra moves thanks to all the surrounding tendrils that you can't target, and it has a staggering amount of HP at its disposal. Worse, Tanzer's body is a terrible location to LevelGrind in because there are no shops or inns to restore your stats. So if you didn't prepare for it before getting swallowed by the beast (and without a guide, you won't know it happens), then you're going to be stuck in an UnwinnableByMistake situation.
* ThatOneLevel: Riki's Mosperiburg dungeon. From the Magma Slimes to the Mystic Spikes, to the PuzzleBoss fight, it's... unpleasant to say the least.
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* JustHereForGodzilla: Some players only play this because of Red's story...
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** In addition, the well-loved Overdrive-Stasis trick, even though it ''seems'' like it may have been on purpose due to the moves descriptions("Temporarily gain infinite speed" and "freeze time in battle"), is actually a glitch- see Zaraktheus' last post [[http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/198537-saga-frontier/51404644?page=36 here]] for an in-depth explanation.* It can be taken even further with the use of the Shadow Servant spell, which creates a shadow doppelganger that copies any spell or attack you use, effectively doubling the damage dealt in those eight turns.
*** It can be made even easier by substituting [=SnakeOil=] for the Stasis spell(an item that cures status effects that can be purchased in Koorong or won in battle).
*** It can be made even easier by substituting [=SnakeOil=] for the Stasis spell(an item that cures status effects that can be purchased in Koorong or won in battle).
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** In addition, the well-loved Overdrive-Stasis trick, even though it ''seems'' like it may have been on purpose due to the moves descriptions("Temporarily gain infinite speed" and "freeze time in battle"), is actually a glitch- see Zaraktheus' last post [[http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/198537-saga-frontier/51404644?page=36 here]] for an in-depth explanation.* explanation (the short version: once you use Stasis or the consumable item [=SnakeOil=], this confuses the game into resetting your JP). It can be taken even further with the use of the Shadow Servant spell, which creates a shadow doppelganger that copies any spell or attack you use, effectively doubling the damage dealt in those eight turns.
*** It can be made even easier by substituting [=SnakeOil=] for the Stasis spell(an item that cures status effects that can be purchased in Koorong or won in battle).turns.
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* HoYay: From the "Essence of Saga Frontier"- Ildon and Rastaban are lovers. Asellus and Gina could be considered an item too if you get the Mystic ending.
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* HoYay: From the "Essence of Saga [=SaGa=] Frontier"- Ildon and Rastaban are lovers. Asellus and Gina could be considered an item too if you get the Mystic ending.
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Literally enough to fill a book -- we know about a lot of them from ''Essence of SaGa Frontier'' and ''Complete of SaGa Frontier.'' Fuse was supposed to have his own quest unlockable by completing the others, Asellus' quest was actually supposed to have plot between escaping Fascinaturu and returning to fight Orlouge, several entirely random dungeons and bosses were supposed to have plot significance for one or more of the quests, etc.
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Literally enough to fill a book -- we know about a lot of them from ''Essence "Essence of SaGa Frontier'' [=SaGa=] Frontier" and ''Complete "Complete of SaGa Frontier.'' [=SaGa=] Frontier". Fuse was supposed to have his own quest unlockable by completing the others, Asellus' quest was actually supposed to have plot between escaping Fascinaturu and returning to fight Orlouge, several entirely random dungeons and bosses were supposed to have plot significance for one or more of the quests, etc.
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* {{Woolseyism}}- A minor one- Alkaiser's Shin[[hottip:*:True]]-Al-Phoenix becomes Re-Al[[hottip:*:[[{{Pun}} Real]]]]-Phoenix
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* {{Woolseyism}}- A minor one- Alkaiser's Shin[[hottip:*:True]]-Al-Phoenix Shin[[labelnote:*]]True[[/labelnote]]-Al-Phoenix becomes Re-Al[[hottip:*:[[{{Pun}} Real]]]]-PhoenixRe-Al[[labelnote:*]][[{{Pun}} Real]][[/labelnote]]-Phoenix
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Literally enough to fill a book -- we know about a lot of them from ''Essence of SaGa Frontier'' and ''Complete of SaGa Frontier.'' Fuse was supposed to have his own quest unlockable by completing the others, Asellus' quest was actually supposed to have plot between escaping Fascinaturu and returning to fight Orlouge, several entirely random dungeons and bosses were supposed to have plot significance for one or more of the quests, etc.
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** In spite of one member of the PTB handwaving Asellus and White Rose's relationship as mojo-transfer-by-blood, fandom as a whole ignores this - and no wonder, given Zozma's blatant 'get out of the closet!' speech after the business at the Labyrinth.
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** From the "Essence of Saga Frontier"- Ildon and Rastaban are lovers. Asellus and Gina could be considered an item too if you get the Mystic ending.
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* GoodBadBugs - Takonomics, named in honor of the man who discovered it: in Koorong, the price of gold goes down as you sell ingots and back up as you buy, but this calculation is (erroneously) made ''before'' any actual physical inventory changes hand. You can therefore manipulate the gold market in the shop menu such that when you actually buy and sell your gold, you get more money back. Then you travel to Nelson, where gold ingots are always sold at a fixed price, and repeat until you have all the money you'll ever need.
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* GoodBadBugs - Takonomics, named in honor of the man who discovered it: in Koorong, the price of gold goes down as you sell ingots and back up as you buy, but this calculation is (erroneously) made ''before'' any actual physical inventory changes hand. You can therefore manipulate the gold market in the shop menu such that when you actually buy and sell your gold, you get more money back. Then you travel to Nelson, where gold ingots are always sold at a fixed price, and repeat until you have all the money you'll ever need.
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** From the "Essence of Saga Frontier"- Ildon and Rastaban are lovers. Asellus and Gina could be considered an item too if you get the Mystic ending.
** In spite of one member of the PTB handwaving Asellus and White Rose's relationship as mojo-transfer-by-blood, fandom as a whole ignores this - and no wonder, given Zozma's blatant 'get out of the closet!' speech after the business at the Labyrinth.
** In spite of one member of the PTB handwaving Asellus and White Rose's relationship as mojo-transfer-by-blood, fandom as a whole ignores this - and no wonder, given Zozma's blatant 'get out of the closet!' speech after the business at the Labyrinth.
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* GoodBadBugs - Takonomics, named in honor of the man who discovered it: have enough money to buy a certain number of gold ingots without actually committing to the deed just yet, causing the price of gold to go up until selling the ingots in your inventory will net you a profit; rinse and repeat until you have obscene amounts of wealth.
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* GoodBadBugs - Takonomics, named in honor of the man who discovered it: have enough money to buy a certain number of gold ingots without actually committing to the deed just yet, causing in Koorong, the price of gold to go up until selling the goes down as you sell ingots in your and back up as you buy, but this calculation is (erroneously) made ''before'' any actual physical inventory will net changes hand. You can therefore manipulate the gold market in the shop menu such that when you actually buy and sell your gold, you get more money back. Then you travel to Nelson, where gold ingots are always sold at a profit; rinse fixed price, and repeat until you have obscene amounts of wealth.all the money you'll ever need.
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** The Junk Shop glitch, which allows you to get endless free stuff from the Junk Shop in Scrap: just attempt to sell a [=HyperionBazooka=] that you don't have and you get seven free items. Perfect for either kitting yourself out with DiscOneNukes or building up enough money to engage in Takonomics.
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** The Junk Shop glitch, which allows you to get endless free stuff from the Junk Shop in Scrap: just attempt to sell a [=HyperionBazooka=] that you don't have and you get seven free items. Perfect for either kitting yourself out with DiscOneNukes DiscOneNuke[=s=] or building up enough money to engage in Takonomics.
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* {{Woolseyism}}- A minor one- Alkaiser's Shin[[hottip:*:True]]-Al-Phoenix becomes Re-Al[[hottip:*:[[AWorldwidePunomenon Real]]]]-Phoenix
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* {{Woolseyism}}- A minor one- Alkaiser's Shin[[hottip:*:True]]-Al-Phoenix becomes Re-Al[[hottip:*:[[AWorldwidePunomenon Real]]]]-PhoenixRe-Al[[hottip:*:[[{{Pun}} Real]]]]-Phoenix
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* TethercatPrinciple- It is implied that Blue never actually ''kills'' [[spoiler: Hell's Lord,]] but fights him eternally.
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* LesYay: Asellus gets a lot of homosexual ''text'' with White Rose and Gina, but she and [[ExtremeDoormat Mesarthim]] rack up a lot of subtext due to the latter's insistence on [[HappinessInSlavery being her slave]].
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* LesYay: HoYay: From the "Essence of Saga Frontier"- Ildon and Rastaban are lovers. Asellus and Gina could be considered an item too if you get the Mystic ending.
** In spite of one member of the PTB handwaving Asellus and White Rose's relationship as mojo-transfer-by-blood, fandom as a whole ignores this - and no wonder, given Zozma's blatant 'get out of the closet!' speech after the business at the Labyrinth.
** Asellus gets a lot of homosexual ''text'' with White Rose and Gina, but she and [[ExtremeDoormat Mesarthim]] rack up a lot of subtext due to the latter's insistence on [[HappinessInSlavery being her slave]].
** In spite of one member of the PTB handwaving Asellus and White Rose's relationship as mojo-transfer-by-blood, fandom as a whole ignores this - and no wonder, given Zozma's blatant 'get out of the closet!' speech after the business at the Labyrinth.
** Asellus gets a lot of homosexual ''text'' with White Rose and Gina, but she and [[ExtremeDoormat Mesarthim]] rack up a lot of subtext due to the latter's insistence on [[HappinessInSlavery being her slave]].
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* TethercatPrinciple- It is implied that Blue never actually ''kills'' [[spoiler: Hell's Lord,]] but fights him eternally.
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* MagnificentBastard: Rastaban.[[spoiler: He plots to have Asellus replace Orlouge as the ruler of Fascinaturu and sends Ildon with her to make sure she is safe. The Bastard part comes in when he kidnaps Gina and puts her inside of a Griffon. This bothers Ildon and angers Asellus. However, if Asellus doesn't save her, then no one would know who's really responsible for her kidnapping.]]
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** GoodBadBugs - Takonomics, named in honor of the man who discovered it: have enough money to buy a certain number of gold ingots without actually committing to the deed just yet, causing the price of gold to go up until selling the ingots in your inventory will net you a profit; rinse and repeat until you have obscene amounts of wealth.
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** It can be taken even further with the use of the Shadow Servant spell, which creates a shadow doppelganger that copies any spell or attack you use, effectively doubling the damage dealt in those eight turns.
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** GoodBadBugs - Takonomics, named in honor of the man who discovered it: have enough money to buy a certain number of gold ingots without actually committing to the deed just yet, causing the price of gold to go up until selling the ingots in your inventory will net you a profit; rinse and repeat until you have obscene amounts of wealth.
** In addition, the well-loved Overdrive-Stasis trick, even though it ''seems'' like it may have been on purpose due to the moves descriptions("Temporarily gain infinite speed" and "freeze time in battle"), is actually a glitch- see Zaraktheus' last post [[http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/198537-saga-frontier/51404644?page=36 here]] for an in-depth explanation.* It can be taken even further with the use of the Shadow Servant spell, which creates a shadow doppelganger that copies any spell or attack you use, effectively doubling the damage dealt in those eightturns.turns.
** In addition, the well-loved Overdrive-Stasis trick, even though it ''seems'' like it may have been on purpose due to the moves descriptions("Temporarily gain infinite speed" and "freeze time in battle"), is actually a glitch- see Zaraktheus' last post [[http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/198537-saga-frontier/51404644?page=36 here]] for an in-depth explanation.* It can be taken even further with the use of the Shadow Servant spell, which creates a shadow doppelganger that copies any spell or attack you use, effectively doubling the damage dealt in those eight
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