History YMMV / Safehold

12th Dec '15 10:36:28 AM RoseAndHeather
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* BaseBreaker: Hoo boy, Rhobair Duchairn. One chunk of the fanbase thinks he's a good man trapped in an absolutely ''horrible'' situation, the other thinks that his (unwilling) role in the jihad means he deserves anything he gets.
24th Jul '15 2:35:57 PM Kakai
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* MemeticBadass: If you ask the fandom, Major Phandys is a DoubleAgent who's just waiting for the right moment to reveal himself. He {{Mercy Kill}}ed Hauerd Wylsynn. He spies on world's top espionage agency. He may or may not have been sleeping with Goddess of espionage, Nynian. He's conspiring with Rhobair. One day he'll be there when Clyntahn goes down.
19th May '15 11:59:45 AM Kakai
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moving Recycled Script to Trivia section
* RecycledScript: The overall premise of the series (Musket-era FeudalFuture, PathOfInspiration repressing technology, etc.) was previously used as one major plot-thread of the third book of Literature/EmpireFromTheAshes, and the concept of a race of genocidal aliens intent on wiping out all other sentient life was first used in the series as a whole. ** Shades of this same concept are seen in the war between Grayson and Masada (SpaceAmish religious fanatics whose war went nuclear). Humanity's SpaceNavy, seen briefly in the Safehold series, strongly resembles the navies of ''Literature/HonorHarrington''. The tossed salad genetics and wildly diverse names were ''also'' seen in Honor's world. Indeed, it seems almost every idea hatched in the Literature/{{Safehold}} universe was incubated in one of his other series. [[TropesAreNotBad Not that that's a bad thing]].
3rd Apr '15 1:48:01 AM Kakai
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Raynoz Alvahrez, a WorthyOpponent and developing FatherToHisMen. He's appeared only in two books so far, but his performance in ''Like A Mighty Army'' made him a favorite of many and forum-goers treat him in the same way they do the characters who's been there since day one. It helps that he's one of best-developed characters on [=CoGA=] side.
14th Feb '14 10:57:37 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: Zhaspar Clyntahn is Grand Inquisitor of a CorruptChurch, which tells you all you need to know. However in the fourth book, he not only executes every vicar in the Church who even thought about opposing him, but their families as well, including [[WouldHurtAChild children as young as twelve]]. This act is monstrous enough that a declaration of Holy War that had been hanging over the plot since the second book is rendered an ''afterthought.''
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* CompleteMonster: Zhaspar Vicar Zhaspahr Clyntahn is Grand Inquisitor of a CorruptChurch, which tells you all you need to know. However in the fourth book, he not only executes every vicar in the Church who even thought about opposing him, but their families as well, including [[WouldHurtAChild children as young as twelve]]. This act is monstrous enough that a declaration of Holy War that had been hanging over the plot since the second book is rendered an ''afterthought.''
14th Feb '14 10:55:24 AM ACW
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* Complete Monster: Zhaspar Clyntahn is Grand Inquisitor of a CorruptChurch, which tells you all you need to know. However in the fourth book, he not only executes every vicar in the Church who even thought about opposing him, but their families as well, including [[WouldHurtAChild children as young as twelve]]. This act is monstrous enough that a declaration of Holy War that had been hanging over the plot since the second book is rendered an ''afterthought.''
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* Complete Monster: CompleteMonster: Zhaspar Clyntahn is Grand Inquisitor of a CorruptChurch, which tells you all you need to know. However in the fourth book, he not only executes every vicar in the Church who even thought about opposing him, but their families as well, including [[WouldHurtAChild children as young as twelve]]. This act is monstrous enough that a declaration of Holy War that had been hanging over the plot since the second book is rendered an ''afterthought.''
14th Feb '14 10:55:18 AM ACW
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* [[{{Monster/Literature}} Complete Monster]]: Zhaspar Clyntahn. He's Grand Inquisitor of a CorruptChurch, which tells you all you need to know. However in the fourth book, he not only executes every vicar in the Church who even thought about opposing him, but their families as well, including children as young as twelve. This act is monstrous enough that a declaration of Holy War that had been hanging over the plot since the second book is rendered an ''afterthought.''
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* [[{{Monster/Literature}} Complete Monster]]: *Complete Monster: Zhaspar Clyntahn. He's Clyntahn is Grand Inquisitor of a CorruptChurch, which tells you all you need to know. However in the fourth book, he not only executes every vicar in the Church who even thought about opposing him, but their families as well, including [[WouldHurtAChild children as young as twelve.twelve]]. This act is monstrous enough that a declaration of Holy War that had been hanging over the plot since the second book is rendered an ''afterthought.''
3rd Jan '14 9:18:30 PM nombretomado
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* RecycledScript: The overall premise of the series (Musket-era FeudalFuture, PathOfInspiration repressing technology, etc.) was previously used as one major plot-thread of the third book of EmpireFromTheAshes, and the concept of a race of genocidal aliens intent on wiping out all other sentient life was first used in the series as a whole.
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* RecycledScript: The overall premise of the series (Musket-era FeudalFuture, PathOfInspiration repressing technology, etc.) was previously used as one major plot-thread of the third book of EmpireFromTheAshes, Literature/EmpireFromTheAshes, and the concept of a race of genocidal aliens intent on wiping out all other sentient life was first used in the series as a whole.
7th Jun '13 6:36:13 PM TVRulezAgain
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* [[{{Monster/Literature}} Complete Monster]]: Zhaspar Clyntahn
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* [[{{Monster/Literature}} Complete Monster]]: Zhaspar ClyntahnClyntahn. He's Grand Inquisitor of a CorruptChurch, which tells you all you need to know. However in the fourth book, he not only executes every vicar in the Church who even thought about opposing him, but their families as well, including children as young as twelve. This act is monstrous enough that a declaration of Holy War that had been hanging over the plot since the second book is rendered an ''afterthought.''

** The later books also show spelling errors, characters called by one name when the narrative clearly means another, occasional confusion between Charis, Chisholm, and Corisande and even a changing in the name of Hektor Aplyn-Ahrmahk's duchy from Darcos to Darcos Sound.
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** The later books also show spelling errors, characters called by one name when the narrative clearly means another, occasional confusion between Charis, Chisholm, and Corisande and even a changing in the name of Hektor Aplyn-Ahrmahk's duchy from Darcos to Darcos Sound.
29th Mar '13 3:19:03 PM Austin
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This isn't YMMV> moving.
* ConflictBall: One of the conflicts in ''By Schism Rent Asunder'' and ''By Heresies Distressed'' is the fact that Cayleb and Merlin can't tell Sharleyan anything about Merlin, because the Brotherhood is dragging its feet... ignoring the fact that they could easily have given her the "visions" story while leaving out the high-tech details. The inconsistency is highlighted by the fact that they bring [[spoiler:Clareyk and Nahrmahn]] in on the "visions" on their own initiative in ''By Heresies Distressed''. ** Though in those cases [[spoiler:Clareyk]] had already begun to suspect ''something'' was up so they needed to satisfy him; while [[spoiler:Nahrman]] was told about "visions" because they needed informed advice ''right then.'' Further, he was given the "vision" story immediately before the visit where Sharleyan was told everything. Still, not bringing in Sharleyan even on the "visions" is still a conflict ball, only justifiable by the fact Merlin wasn't even ''there'' for very long before they headed to Corisande, rendering visions specific to Merlin a moot point.
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