History YMMV / Safehold

4th Jan '17 11:28:44 AM Pren
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** The first ''five'' books contain the story that Weber had originally planned for book one. He's openly stated that he's deliberately dragging things out to put his kids through college.

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** The first ''five'' books contain the story that Weber had originally planned for book one. Then the material for book two took four more. He's openly stated that he's deliberately dragging things out to put his kids through college.
24th Dec '16 3:50:52 PM sgamer82
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Raynoz Alvahrez, a WorthyOpponent and developing FatherToHisMen. He's appeared only in two books so far, but his performance in ''Like A Mighty Army'' made him a favorite of many and forum-goers treat him in the same way they do the characters who's been there since day one. It helps that he's one of best-developed characters on [=CoGA=] side.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Raynoz Alvahrez, a WorthyOpponent and developing FatherToHisMen. He's appeared only in two books so far, but his performance He debuts in ''Like A Mighty Army'' Army'', and his performance there made him a favorite of many and forum-goers treat him in the same way they do the characters who's who have been there since day one. It helps that he's one of best-developed characters on [=CoGA=] side.
24th Dec '16 3:49:41 PM sgamer82
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* MemeticBadass: If you ask the fandom, Major Phandys is a DoubleAgent who's just waiting for the right moment to reveal himself. He {{Mercy Kill}}ed Hauerd Wylsynn. He spies on world's top espionage agency. He may or may not have been sleeping with Goddess of espionage, Nynian. He's conspiring with Rhobair. One day he'll be there when Clyntahn goes down. [[spoilers:The fans were right.]]
* MoralEventHorizon: The Ferayd Massacre and (in the eyes of Church Loyalists) the Charisian response to it.

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* MemeticBadass: If you ask the fandom, Major Phandys is a DoubleAgent who's just waiting for the right moment to reveal himself. He {{Mercy Kill}}ed Hauerd Hauwerd Wylsynn. He spies on world's top espionage agency. He may or may not have been sleeping with Goddess of espionage, Nynian. He's conspiring with Rhobair. One day he'll be there when Clyntahn goes down. [[spoilers:The [[spoiler:The fans were right.]]
right, except for the sleeping with Nynian part]].
* MoralEventHorizon: MoralEventHorizon:
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The Ferayd Massacre and (in the eyes of Church Loyalists) the Massacre, in which several family-owned Charisian merchant ships were boarded and their crews, among whom were the families that owned the ships, were slaughtered, marked a level of escalation on both sides of the conflict. For Charis, the act was heinous enough that their response was to it.send the navy to flatten the port where the massacre happened as well as arrest and execute the Inquisitors who lead the boarding parties. For the Temple Loyalists, the Church told them that, along with the blasphemous execution of consecrated priests of God like common felons, the Charisians were murdering civilians left and right themselves when, in reality, the Charisians restricted themselves to military targets and the specific priests, and gave civilians time to evacuate before leveling the port to the ground.



** It takes a ''lot'' to turn a declaration of Holy War into an afterthought. Clyntahn pulls it off.
*** ''How Firm A Foundation'' also shows that this has become an InUniverse Moral Event Horizon, as it cements Clyntahn's status as a complete monster to anyone who isn't plain ignorant or as fanatical as Clyntahn himself.
* ProtectionFromEditors: The books are quite long and could use a little tightening. One example would be the jargon-laden, plodding opening chapter of ''How Firm A Foundation'' which is about a ship getting fighting to avoid running aground in a storm; it really contributes nothing to the plot, though it revisits two minor side characters and [[AuthorAppeal shows off Weber's knowledge of sailing]].

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** It takes a ''lot'' to turn a declaration of Holy War into an afterthought. Clyntahn pulls it off.
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off with his purge of the Wylsynns' Circle of reformers. ''How Firm A Foundation'' also shows that this has become an InUniverse Moral Event Horizon, as it cements Clyntahn's status as a complete monster to anyone who isn't plain ignorant or as fanatical as Clyntahn himself.
* ProtectionFromEditors: ProtectionFromEditors:
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The books are quite long and could use a little tightening. One example would be the jargon-laden, plodding opening chapter of ''How Firm A Foundation'' which is about a ship getting fighting to avoid running aground in a storm; it really contributes nothing to the plot, though it revisits two minor side characters and [[AuthorAppeal shows off Weber's knowledge of sailing]].
23rd Nov '16 6:20:47 PM RoseAndHeather
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Hoo boy, Rhobair Duchairn. One chunk of the fanbase thinks he's a good man trapped in an absolutely ''horrible'' situation, the other thinks that his (unwilling) role in the jihad means he deserves anything he gets.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Hoo boy, Rhobair Duchairn. One chunk of the fanbase thinks he's a good man trapped in an absolutely ''horrible'' situation, the other thinks that his (unwilling) role in the jihad means he deserves anything he gets. [[spoiler:The latter were likely not too happy when he wound up as a Grand Vicar utterly determined to rectify everything wrong with his Church.]]



* MemeticBadass: If you ask the fandom, Major Phandys is a DoubleAgent who's just waiting for the right moment to reveal himself. He {{Mercy Kill}}ed Hauerd Wylsynn. He spies on world's top espionage agency. He may or may not have been sleeping with Goddess of espionage, Nynian. He's conspiring with Rhobair. One day he'll be there when Clyntahn goes down.

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* MemeticBadass: If you ask the fandom, Major Phandys is a DoubleAgent who's just waiting for the right moment to reveal himself. He {{Mercy Kill}}ed Hauerd Wylsynn. He spies on world's top espionage agency. He may or may not have been sleeping with Goddess of espionage, Nynian. He's conspiring with Rhobair. One day he'll be there when Clyntahn goes down. [[spoilers:The fans were right.]]



* WarShip: Cayleb & Sharleyan, given they started out as (albeit reluctant) enemies.

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* WarShip: Cayleb & Sharleyan, given they started out as (albeit reluctant) enemies. Also [[spoiler:Irys and Hektor]].
5th Sep '16 12:18:41 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: Vicar Zhaspahr Clyntahn is the Grand Inquisitor of a CorruptChurch. In the fourth book his response to learning of a group of reformers within the Temple itself, which is to have them, their families, their aides, and ''their'' families arrested, subjected to ColdBloodedTorture, and executed, eclipsed a delcaration of Holy War that had been stewing in the background since the second. In the fifth, he launches the Sword of Scheuler, an operation which instigates a civil war in the Republic of Siddarmark that kills hundreds of thousands in both the initial attack and the aftermath, which features a winter full of starvation as well as atrocities and counter-atrocities committed by Temple Loyalists on those who remained loyal to Siddarmark's Lord Protector and vice-versa. His penchant for the torture and painful death of his enemies has resulted in multiple instances where armies aligned with the church LeaveNoSurvivors out of a sense of ''mercy'', to spare any would be prisoners Clyntahn's wrath.

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* CompleteMonster: Vicar Zhaspahr Clyntahn [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Vicar]] [[BelievingTheirOwnLies Zhaspahr]] [[TautologicalTemplar Clyntahn]] is the [[KnightTemplar Grand Inquisitor Inquisitor]] of a CorruptChurch. In the fourth book [[CorruptChurch Church of God Awaiting]], as well as the BigBad for the series so far. In ''A Mighty Fortress'', his response response, to learning of a group of reformers within the Temple itself, which is to have them, their families, their aides, and ''their'' families arrested, subjected to ColdBloodedTorture, and executed, eclipsed this eclipsing a delcaration of Holy War that had been stewing in the background since the second. ''By Schism Rent Asunder''. In the fifth, '' How Firm a Foundation'', he launches the Sword of Scheuler, an operation which instigates a civil war in the Republic of Siddarmark that kills hundreds of thousands in both the initial attack and the aftermath, which features a winter full of starvation as well as atrocities and counter-atrocities committed by and against Temple Loyalists on Loyalists, vis-à-vis those who remained loyal to Siddarmark's Lord Protector and vice-versa. Protector. His penchant for the torture and painful death of his enemies has resulted in multiple instances where armies aligned with the church LeaveNoSurvivors out of a sense of ''mercy'', ''{{mercy|Kill}}'', as to spare any would be to leave prisoners of Clyntahn's wrath.
29th Aug '16 11:27:48 AM sgamer82
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* CompleteMonster: Vicar Zhaspahr Clyntahn is Grand Inquisitor of a CorruptChurch, which tells you all you need to know. However in the fourth book, he not only executes every vicar in the Church who even thought about opposing him, but their families as well, including [[WouldHurtAChild children as young as twelve]]. This act is monstrous enough that a declaration of Holy War that had been hanging over the plot since the second book is rendered an ''afterthought.''

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* CompleteMonster: Vicar Zhaspahr Clyntahn is the Grand Inquisitor of a CorruptChurch, which tells you all you need to know. However in CorruptChurch. In the fourth book, he not only executes every vicar in book his response to learning of a group of reformers within the Church who even thought about opposing him, but Temple itself, which is to have them, their families, their aides, and ''their'' families as well, including [[WouldHurtAChild children as young as twelve]]. This act is monstrous enough that arrested, subjected to ColdBloodedTorture, and executed, eclipsed a declaration delcaration of Holy War that had been hanging over stewing in the plot background since the second book is rendered second. In the fifth, he launches the Sword of Scheuler, an ''afterthought.''operation which instigates a civil war in the Republic of Siddarmark that kills hundreds of thousands in both the initial attack and the aftermath, which features a winter full of starvation as well as atrocities and counter-atrocities committed by Temple Loyalists on those who remained loyal to Siddarmark's Lord Protector and vice-versa. His penchant for the torture and painful death of his enemies has resulted in multiple instances where armies aligned with the church LeaveNoSurvivors out of a sense of ''mercy'', to spare any would be prisoners Clyntahn's wrath.
29th Jul '16 7:28:03 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Hoo boy, Rhobair Duchairn. One chunk of the fanbase thinks he's a good man trapped in an absolutely ''horrible'' situation, the other thinks that his (unwilling) role in the jihad means he deserves anything he gets.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Hoo boy, Rhobair Duchairn. One chunk of the fanbase thinks he's a good man trapped in an absolutely ''horrible'' situation, the other thinks that his (unwilling) role in the jihad means he deserves anything he gets.
26th May '16 1:11:40 PM RoseAndHeather
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* WarShip: Cayleb & Sharleyan, given they started out as (albeit reluctant) enemies.
* unintentionallyunsympathetic: arguabally Thrisk. He CONSTANTLY agonises over fighting for a deranged lunatic (clyntahn), angsts over turning POWs over to the inquisition to be tortured to death, fully acknowledges he's almost certainly fighting for the wrong side-and keeps on doing so regardless for purely selfish reasons (his family and personal fear of the inquisition)

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* WarShip: Cayleb & Sharleyan, given they started out as (albeit reluctant) enemies.
* unintentionallyunsympathetic: arguabally Thrisk. He CONSTANTLY agonises over fighting for a deranged lunatic (clyntahn), angsts over turning POWs over to the inquisition to be tortured to death, fully acknowledges he's almost certainly fighting for the wrong side-and keeps on doing so regardless for purely selfish reasons (his family and personal fear of the inquisition)
enemies.
26th May '16 1:10:21 AM Talyneral
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* WarShip: Cayleb & Sharleyan, given they started out as (albeit reluctant) enemies.

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* WarShip: Cayleb & Sharleyan, given they started out as (albeit reluctant) enemies.enemies.
* unintentionallyunsympathetic: arguabally Thrisk. He CONSTANTLY agonises over fighting for a deranged lunatic (clyntahn), angsts over turning POWs over to the inquisition to be tortured to death, fully acknowledges he's almost certainly fighting for the wrong side-and keeps on doing so regardless for purely selfish reasons (his family and personal fear of the inquisition)
12th Dec '15 10:36:28 AM RoseAndHeather
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* BaseBreaker: Hoo boy, Rhobair Duchairn. One chunk of the fanbase thinks he's a good man trapped in an absolutely ''horrible'' situation, the other thinks that his (unwilling) role in the jihad means he deserves anything he gets.
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