Follow TV Tropes

Following

History YMMV / RobinHood2010

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Added example(s)

Added DiffLines:

* CriticalBacklash: While not a great Box Office success and generally considered one of Ridley Scott's weaker films, it has its fans, particularly for the chemistry between Robin and Marion, some fun supporting characters, and decent action scenes.


Added DiffLines:

* JustHereForGodzilla: If there's one thing nearly everyone agrees is great about the film, it's Cate Blanchett at her snarky best as Marion. Indeed, the romance between her and Robin is considered a highlight.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
YMMV cannot be played with or inverted/


* RomanticPlotTumor: Inverted. A significant percentage of viewers feel that the developing romance between Robin and Marion was the strongest part of the movie. It helps massively that Marion is a fully-developed character, avoiding becoming a SatelliteLoveInterest; the way she and Robin fall in love feels natural rather than [[StrangledByTheRedString out of nowhere]], and gets realistic development; and Creator/RussellCrowe and Creator/CateBlanchett have great onscreen chemistry (Crowe even called Blanchett his best on-screen kiss).
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:

Added DiffLines:

* AluminumChristmasTrees: [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barons%27_War France really invaded England during King John's reign]], though it happened a decade later.

Added: 99

Removed: 92

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* BetterOnDVD: The Director's Cut adds 15 minutes of material and fills in a major PlotHole.


Added DiffLines:

* ImprovedByTheReCut: The Director's Cut adds 15 minutes of material and fills in a major PlotHole.

Added: 703

Removed: 1115

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
NLID no longer allows real life examples. Also removed "execution sucks" PGP entry.


* FanPreferredCutContent: The movie started as a highly bid script, ''Nottingham'', that was actually revolutionary by Robin Hood adaptation [[TwiceToldTale standards]]: A PoliceProcedural, with the [[PerspectiveFlip Sheriff]] [[AdaptationalHeroism of Nottingham]] as TheHero investigating the crimes of the notorious outlaw, [[AdaptationalVillainy Robin Hood]]. [[spoiler:The twist was that Robin was framed, but Nottingham was still The Hero.]] While this kind of story, making the villain the sympathetic protagonist and villifying the traditional hero, would become done quite a bit in the decade following this film's release, many feel like this version would have made the more interesting movie.



* NeverLiveItDown: Russell Crowe's accent. It got to the point that it was a personal BerserkButton for him in interviews. A weird choice that still doesn't make much sense to this day.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** The twist of Robin Hood being [[DeadPersonImpersonation a common archer taking the identity of a nobleman knight]] could have been much more interesting if the movie was actually ''about'' his outlaw adventures.
** The movie started as a highly bid script, ''Nottingham'', that was actually revolutionary by Robin Hood adaptation [[TwiceToldTale standards]]: A PoliceProcedural, with the [[PerspectiveFlip Sheriff]] [[AdaptationalHeroism of Nottingham]] as TheHero investigating the crimes of the notorious outlaw, [[AdaptationalVillainy Robin Hood]]. [[spoiler:The twist was that Robin was framed, but Nottingham was still The Hero.]] Of course, this kind of story (making the villain the sympathetic protagonist and villifying the traditional hero) was done to death in TheNewTens (most famously in ''{{Film/Maleficent}}'') - making the original script [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny feel trite nowadays]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Most of the negative sentiment about the film can be boiled down to this phrase. Ironically, people were already badmouthing the film before its release for being [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks a Robin Hood "remake"]]. Of course, not one Robin Hood film has been a remake of previous ones, but they all draw upon the same source material. A lot of the backlash can come from the {{Demythification}} treatment it gives to a folk tale - following the lead of ''Film/KingArthur'' and ''{{Film/Troy}}'' - reimagining Robin Hood as a historical story.

to:

* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Most of the negative sentiment about the film can be boiled down to this phrase. Ironically, people were already badmouthing the film before its release for being [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks a Robin Hood "remake"]]. Of course, not one Robin Hood film has been a remake of previous ones, but they all draw upon the same source material. A lot of the backlash can come from the {{Demythification}} treatment it gives to a folk tale - following the lead of ''Film/KingArthur'' ''Film/KingArthur2004'' and ''{{Film/Troy}}'' - reimagining Robin Hood as a historical story.

Changed: 651

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* CompleteMonster: Godfrey is a sadistic and cruel knight. Originally the closest friend of Prince John, Godfrey betrays him, and his entire country for personal gain, selling them out to the King of France to reconquer as long as he himself profits. Godfrey leads an assault to burn an entire village and kill anyone there, innocent or no. His crowning moment of villainy is challenging the old, blind Sir Walter to a fight, enjoying tormenting the old man and making a spectacle of it, until Walter lands a small blow, which leads to Godfrey brutally killing him in a fury.

to:

* CompleteMonster: Godfrey [[TheHeavy Sir Godfrey]] is a cruel, sadistic and cruel knight. Originally the closest friend of Prince John, Godfrey betrays him, him and his entire country for personal gain, selling them out to the King Philip of France to reconquer as long as he himself profits. Godfrey ambushes and murders several knights in an attempt to assassinate King Richard, before using his friendship with John to get himself appointed to collect taxes from English villages. After having French soldiers kill and impersonate the knights under his command, Godfrey leads an assault them in slaughtering several villages, hoping to burn an entire village incite a revolt against John so the French can invade. When he attacks Nottingham, Godfrey locks the people inside of a burning building and kill anyone there, innocent or no. His crowning moment of villainy is challenging the old, blind confronts Sir Walter to a fight, enjoying Locksley, taunting him about his dead son and tormenting the old man and making a spectacle of it, until before brutally killing him when Walter lands a small blow, which leads to Godfrey brutally killing him in a fury.blow.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* RomanticPlotTumor: Inverted. A significant percentage of viewers feel that the developing romance between Robin and Marion was the strongest part of the movie. It helps massively that Marion is a fully-developed character, avoiding becoming a SatelliteLoveInterest; her and Robin falling in love feels natural rather than [[StrangledByTheRedString out of nowhere]]; and Creator/RussellCrowe and Creator/CateBlanchett have great onscreen chemistry (Crowe even called Blanchett his best on-screen kiss).

to:

* RomanticPlotTumor: Inverted. A significant percentage of viewers feel that the developing romance between Robin and Marion was the strongest part of the movie. It helps massively that Marion is a fully-developed character, avoiding becoming a SatelliteLoveInterest; her the way she and Robin falling fall in love feels natural rather than [[StrangledByTheRedString out of nowhere]]; nowhere]], and gets realistic development; and Creator/RussellCrowe and Creator/CateBlanchett have great onscreen chemistry (Crowe even called Blanchett his best on-screen kiss).
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* RomanticPlotTumor: Inverted. A good chunk of viewers feel that the developing romance between Robin and Marion was the strongest part of the movie. It helps massively that Marion is a developed character, avoiding becoming a SatelliteLoveInterest, her and Robin falling in love feels natural rather than [[StrangledByTheRedString out of nowhere]], and some great chemistry between the actors (Russell Crowe even called Cate Blanchett his best on-screen kiss).

to:

* RomanticPlotTumor: Inverted. A good chunk significant percentage of viewers feel that the developing romance between Robin and Marion was the strongest part of the movie. It helps massively that Marion is a developed fully-developed character, avoiding becoming a SatelliteLoveInterest, SatelliteLoveInterest; her and Robin falling in love feels natural rather than [[StrangledByTheRedString out of nowhere]], nowhere]]; and some Creator/RussellCrowe and Creator/CateBlanchett have great onscreen chemistry between the actors (Russell Crowe (Crowe even called Cate Blanchett his best on-screen kiss).
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Badly shoehorned-in hindsight example, cut


* HilariousInHindsight: Oscar Isaac and Max von Sydow appearing in a movie together a full five years before ''Film/TheForceAwakens''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Eleanor of Aquitaine who is played by Dame Creator/EileenAtkins at her acid-tongued best; stealing every scene with either [[OnlySaneMan logical advice]] or [[DeadpanSnarker stellar one-liners]].

to:

** Eleanor of Aquitaine who is played by Dame Creator/EileenAtkins Eileen Atkins at her acid-tongued best; stealing every scene with either [[OnlySaneMan logical advice]] or [[DeadpanSnarker stellar one-liners]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Eleanor of Aquitaine who is played by Dame Eileen Atkins at her acid-tongued best; stealing every scene with either [[OnlySaneMan logical advice]] or [[DeadpanSnarker stellar one-liners]].
** Isabella too, who is played by the beautiful Lea Seydoux and allowed to be dressed up like a princess in all her scenes ([[NakedOnArrival well, except the first one]]). She also subverts FrenchJerk by showing herself to be more moral than John. And she also avoids being a NeutralFemale by becoming a minor player in the political game, exposing Godfrey as a traitor by pretending she heard word from France (and therefore giving it more weight than if William Marshall or Eleanor had delivered the news).

to:

** Eleanor of Aquitaine who is played by Dame Eileen Atkins Creator/EileenAtkins at her acid-tongued best; stealing every scene with either [[OnlySaneMan logical advice]] or [[DeadpanSnarker stellar one-liners]].
** Isabella too, who is played by the beautiful Lea Seydoux Creator/LeaSeydoux and allowed to be dressed up like a princess in all her scenes ([[NakedOnArrival well, except the first one]]). She also subverts FrenchJerk by showing herself to be more moral than John. And she also avoids being a NeutralFemale by becoming a minor player in the political game, exposing Godfrey as a traitor by pretending she heard word from France (and therefore giving it more weight than if William Marshall or Eleanor had delivered the news).
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Unnecessary Pothole is unnecessary


** The movie started as a highly bid script, ''Nottingham'', that was actually revolutionary by Robin Hood adaptation [[TwiceToldTale standards]]: A PoliceProcedural, with the [[PerspectiveFlip Sheriff]] [[AdaptationalHeroism of Nottingham]] as TheHero investigating the crimes of the [[RealityEnsues notorious outlaw]], [[AdaptationalVillainy Robin Hood]]. [[spoiler:The twist was that Robin was framed, but Nottingham was still The Hero.]] Of course, this kind of story (making the villain the sympathetic protagonist and villifying the traditional hero) was done to death in TheNewTens (most famously in ''{{Film/Maleficent}}'') - making the original script [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny feel trite nowadays]].

to:

** The movie started as a highly bid script, ''Nottingham'', that was actually revolutionary by Robin Hood adaptation [[TwiceToldTale standards]]: A PoliceProcedural, with the [[PerspectiveFlip Sheriff]] [[AdaptationalHeroism of Nottingham]] as TheHero investigating the crimes of the [[RealityEnsues notorious outlaw]], outlaw, [[AdaptationalVillainy Robin Hood]]. [[spoiler:The twist was that Robin was framed, but Nottingham was still The Hero.]] Of course, this kind of story (making the villain the sympathetic protagonist and villifying the traditional hero) was done to death in TheNewTens (most famously in ''{{Film/Maleficent}}'') - making the original script [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny feel trite nowadays]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Isabella is played by Lea Seydoux, years before her more remembered roles in ''Film/BlueIsTheWarmestColour'', ''Farewell, My Queen'' and ''{{Film/Spectre}}''.

to:

** Isabella is played by Lea Seydoux, years before her more remembered roles in ''Film/BlueIsTheWarmestColour'', ''Film/BlueIsTheWarmestColor'', ''Farewell, My Queen'' and ''{{Film/Spectre}}''.

Added: 3173

Changed: 835

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* BrokenBase: Marion disguising herself as a knight to take part in the battle at the end. Some are fine with it, since Marion was established as a capable fighter and it was a nice subversion of StayInTheKitchen - plus she has a personal stake in the battle due to Robin fighting in it, and [[spoiler: wanting justice for Walter's murder]]. Others found it trite, feeling that Marion was already a strong enough character without having to be conventionalized into a token ActionGirl (especially since she ultimately [[spoiler: doesn't get to avenge Walter personally]] - making it feel rather pointless).



* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Eleanor of Aquitaine who is played by Dame Eileen Atkins at her acid-tongued best; stealing every scene with either [[OnlySaneMan logical advice]] or [[DeadpanSnarker stellar one-liners]].
** Isabella too, who is played by the beautiful Lea Seydoux and allowed to be dressed up like a princess in all her scenes ([[NakedOnArrival well, except the first one]]). She also subverts FrenchJerk by showing herself to be more moral than John. And she also avoids being a NeutralFemale by becoming a minor player in the political game, exposing Godfrey as a traitor by pretending she heard word from France (and therefore giving it more weight than if William Marshall had delivered the news).



* RetroactiveRecognition: [[Creator/OscarIsaac King John]] is [[Film/TheForceAwakens Poe Dameron]].
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Most of the negative sentiment about the film can be boiled down to this phrase. Ironically, people were already badmouthing the film before its release for being [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks a Robin Hood "remake"]]. Of course, not one Robin Hood film has been a remake of previous ones, but they all draw upon the same source material.

to:

* RetroactiveRecognition: NeverLiveItDown: Russell Crowe's accent. It got to the point that it was a personal BerserkButton for him in interviews. A weird choice that still doesn't make much sense to this day.
* RetroactiveRecognition:
**
[[Creator/OscarIsaac King John]] is [[Film/TheForceAwakens Poe Dameron]].
** Isabella is played by Lea Seydoux, years before her more remembered roles in ''Film/BlueIsTheWarmestColour'', ''Farewell, My Queen'' and ''{{Film/Spectre}}''.
* RomanticPlotTumor: Inverted. A good chunk of viewers feel that the developing romance between Robin and Marion was the strongest part of the movie. It helps massively that Marion is a developed character, avoiding becoming a SatelliteLoveInterest, her and Robin falling in love feels natural rather than [[StrangledByTheRedString out of nowhere]], and some great chemistry between the actors (Russell Crowe even called Cate Blanchett his best on-screen kiss).
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Most of the negative sentiment about the film can be boiled down to this phrase. Ironically, people were already badmouthing the film before its release for being [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks a Robin Hood "remake"]]. Of course, not one Robin Hood film has been a remake of previous ones, but they all draw upon the same source material. A lot of the backlash can come from the {{Demythification}} treatment it gives to a folk tale - following the lead of ''Film/KingArthur'' and ''{{Film/Troy}}'' - reimagining Robin Hood as a historical story.



** The movie started as a highly bid script, ''Nottingham'', that was actually revolutionary by Robin Hood adaptation [[TwiceToldTale standards]]: A PoliceProcedural, with the [[PerspectiveFlip Sheriff]] [[AdaptationalHeroism of Nottingham]] as TheHero investigating the crimes of the [[RealityEnsues notorious outlaw]], [[AdaptationalVillainy Robin Hood]]. [[spoiler:The twist was that Robin was framed, but Nottingham was still The Hero.]]

to:

** The movie started as a highly bid script, ''Nottingham'', that was actually revolutionary by Robin Hood adaptation [[TwiceToldTale standards]]: A PoliceProcedural, with the [[PerspectiveFlip Sheriff]] [[AdaptationalHeroism of Nottingham]] as TheHero investigating the crimes of the [[RealityEnsues notorious outlaw]], [[AdaptationalVillainy Robin Hood]]. [[spoiler:The twist was that Robin was framed, but Nottingham was still The Hero.]]]] Of course, this kind of story (making the villain the sympathetic protagonist and villifying the traditional hero) was done to death in TheNewTens (most famously in ''{{Film/Maleficent}}'') - making the original script [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny feel trite nowadays]].
* UncertainAudience: The film at once tries for a take on Robin Hood that's more grounded in realism and historical fact, but then also has numerous historical inaccuracies and character beats that make it feel more like a folk tale. Additionally, there are some political themes that make it hard to enjoy as a simple action adventure movie - while also lots of elements preventing it from being taken seriously as a political piece. Basically, it tries to be both ''{{Film/Gladiator}}'' (the action adventure epic) and ''Film/KingdomOfHeaven'' (a political drama with only a few action scenes).

Added: 655

Changed: 212

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The twist of Robin Hood being [[DeadPersonImpersonation a common archer taking the identity of a nobleman knight]] could have been much more interesting if the movie was actually ''about'' his outlaw adventures.

to:

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
**
The twist of Robin Hood being [[DeadPersonImpersonation a common archer taking the identity of a nobleman knight]] could have been much more interesting if the movie was actually ''about'' his outlaw adventures.adventures.
** The movie started as a highly bid script, ''Nottingham'', that was actually revolutionary by Robin Hood adaptation [[TwiceToldTale standards]]: A PoliceProcedural, with the [[PerspectiveFlip Sheriff]] [[AdaptationalHeroism of Nottingham]] as TheHero investigating the crimes of the [[RealityEnsues notorious outlaw]], [[AdaptationalVillainy Robin Hood]]. [[spoiler:The twist was that Robin was framed, but Nottingham was still The Hero.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:


* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Most of the negative sentiment about the film can be boiled down to this phrase. Ironically, [[InternetBackdraft people were already badmouthing the film before its release]] for being [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks a Robin Hood "remake"]]. Of course, not one Robin Hood film has been a remake of previous ones, but they all draw upon the same source material.

to:

* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Most of the negative sentiment about the film can be boiled down to this phrase. Ironically, [[InternetBackdraft people were already badmouthing the film before its release]] release for being [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks a Robin Hood "remake"]]. Of course, not one Robin Hood film has been a remake of previous ones, but they all draw upon the same source material.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* BetterOnDVD: The Director's Cut adds 15 minutes of material and fills in a major PlotHole.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* RetroactiveRecognition: [[Creator/OscarIsaacs King John]] is [[Film/TheForceAwakens Poe Dameron]].

to:

* RetroactiveRecognition: [[Creator/OscarIsaacs [[Creator/OscarIsaac King John]] is [[Film/TheForceAwakens Poe Dameron]].

Top