History YMMV / Revan

16th Oct '16 1:26:48 PM DeanMT94
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: While Jolee, Juhani, Mission, and Zaalbar are all handwaved out of the plot in a single page, Carth doesn't even get a throwaway mention (sure, he can be pretty hostile if Revan isn't female, but...) More notably, the Exile never once thinks about ''any'' of her companions, and nobody from the sequel gets a mention except a vague reference to "Darth Traya".

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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: While Jolee, Juhani, Mission, and Zaalbar are all handwaved out of the plot in a single page, Carth doesn't even get a throwaway mention (sure, he can be pretty hostile if Revan isn't female, but...) More notably, the Exile never once thinks about ''any'' of her companions, and nobody from the sequel gets a mention except for Revan's one conversation with Atris and a vague reference to "Darth Traya".
16th Apr '16 8:23:46 PM Angeldeb82
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* {{HSQ}}: The final battle. [[spoiler: Especially once T3 gets blown apart. You may need to reread the passage a few times to make sure you read it right, but once it really sinks in that T3 is in [[ShortCircuit numerous fragments]], you know that anything can happen. . . and it's probably not going to end well for our heroes.]]
* InternetBackdraft: Quite a few KOTOR fans ''hate'' this book- alongside putting Revan and The Exile to mild BadassDecay, the KOTOR squadmates are incredibly shafted, outside of Canderous, T3 and Bastila. Even more so for the KOTOR 2 squadmates, where outside of Kreia (And only as a reference to her as "Darth Traya") ''none of them are even mentioned by name''. Add this in with Exile not recognising Force comsuming abilities (Despite having fought one in the form of Nihlus), her connection to the Force magically re-appearing, the Sith Emperor being a VillainSue and all of Kreia's teachings about the Force and the Jedi? [[SarcasmMode Clearly a sign of Dark Side corruption.]] [[AndZoidberg And on top of that, quite a few people hate the name Meetra Surik]]. Quite a few people used this as an example of why the below-mentioned Reboot wasn't ''completely'' a horrific decision.

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* {{HSQ}}: HolyShitQuotient: The final battle. [[spoiler: Especially once T3 gets blown apart. You may need to reread the passage a few times to make sure you read it right, but once it really sinks in that T3 is in [[ShortCircuit [[Film/ShortCircuit numerous fragments]], you know that anything can happen. . . and it's probably not going to end well for our heroes.]]
* InternetBackdraft: Quite a few KOTOR fans ''hate'' this book- alongside putting Revan and The Exile to mild BadassDecay, the KOTOR squadmates are incredibly shafted, outside of Canderous, T3 and Bastila. Even more so for the KOTOR 2 squadmates, where outside of Kreia (And only as a reference to her as "Darth Traya") ''none of them are even mentioned by name''. Add this in with Exile not recognising Force comsuming abilities (Despite having fought one in the form of Nihlus), her connection to the Force magically re-appearing, the Sith Emperor being a VillainSue Villain Sue and all of Kreia's teachings about the Force and the Jedi? [[SarcasmMode Clearly a sign of Dark Side corruption.]] [[AndZoidberg [[MyFriendsAndZoidberg And on top of that, quite a few people hate the name Meetra Surik]]. Surik.]] Quite a few people used this as an example of why the below-mentioned Reboot wasn't ''completely'' a horrific decision.



** [[spoiler: The Emperor... his back-story, his existence, his powers... it's just... ''[[HumanoidAbomination wrong]]''.]] Its even acknowledged in-universe.

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** [[spoiler: The Emperor... his back-story, his existence, his powers... it's just... ''[[HumanoidAbomination wrong]]''.]] Its It's even acknowledged in-universe.



** [[BittersweetEnding The ending.]] [[spoiler: T3: UndyingLoyalty, BadassAdorable, ''T3-M4'' is [[DeaderThanDead incinerated]]. Meetra Sunik, The Jedi Exile: TheAtoner, TheHero, ''The Exile'' is [[StuffedIntoTheFridge betrayed and murdered]]. Revan: God damned, Revan; MemeticBadass, [[PlayerCharacter us]]; '''Revan''' is [[SealedGoodInACan imprisoned]] by the [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] Emperor.]] IWillFindYou. [[VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic I will save you]]. [[spoiler: [[TearJerker It won't work out.]]]]

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** [[BittersweetEnding The ending.]] [[spoiler: T3: UndyingLoyalty, BadassAdorable, ''T3-M4'' is [[DeaderThanDead incinerated]]. Meetra Sunik, The Jedi Exile: TheAtoner, TheHero, ''The Exile'' is [[StuffedIntoTheFridge betrayed and murdered]]. Revan: God damned, Revan; MemeticBadass, [[PlayerCharacter us]]; '''Revan''' is [[SealedGoodInACan imprisoned]] by the [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] Emperor.]] IWillFindYou. [[VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic I will save you]]. you.]] [[spoiler: [[TearJerker It won't work out.]]]]



** And now for the Exile. Like Revan, she did terrible things and even after [[TheAtoner making up for them]] is still stated as being viewed as ReformedButRejected by many in the galaxy, had to live as an Exile stripped from the Force for years, went through all the crap KOTOR II threw her way, and finally [[spoiler: Gets [[InTheBack killed by Lourd Scourge]]]]
* VillainSue: The Emperor. As a teenager he killed fifty Sith Lords at once, a feat more suited to a Anime/DragonBallZ villain than a Star Wars character, he can feed on an entire planet at once, and has all of the powers of KOTOR 2 BigBad Darth Nihlus but at a greater level and without any weakness (also making him a CopyCatSue) and as soon as he shows up, Revan ceases to be the focus character or move the plot along at all. Oh and he casually stuffs Exile into the fridge. Because he's just ''so'' awesome. He doesn't have much personality beyond being powerful and evil, but look how awesome is he is.

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** And now for the Exile. Like Revan, she did terrible things and even after [[TheAtoner making up for them]] is still stated as being viewed as ReformedButRejected by many in the galaxy, had to live as an Exile stripped from the Force for years, went through all the crap KOTOR II threw her way, and finally [[spoiler: Gets gets [[InTheBack killed by Lourd Scourge]]]]
* VillainSue: The Emperor. As a teenager he killed fifty Sith Lords at once, a feat more suited to a Anime/DragonBallZ villain than a Star Wars character, he can feed on an entire planet at once, and has all of the powers of KOTOR 2 BigBad Darth Nihlus but at a greater level and without any weakness (also making him a CopyCatSue) and as soon as he shows up, Revan ceases to be the focus character or move the plot along at all. Oh and he casually stuffs Exile into the fridge. Because he's just ''so'' awesome. He doesn't have much personality beyond being powerful and evil, but look how awesome is he is.
Scourge]]]].
30th Aug '15 4:06:43 PM RBluefish
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* HSQ: The final battle. [[spoiler: Especially once T3 gets blown apart. You may need to reread the passage a few times to make sure you read it right, but once it really sinks in that T3 is in [[ShortCircuit numerous fragments]], you know that anything can happen. . . and it's probably not going to end well for our heroes.]]

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* HSQ: {{HSQ}}: The final battle. [[spoiler: Especially once T3 gets blown apart. You may need to reread the passage a few times to make sure you read it right, but once it really sinks in that T3 is in [[ShortCircuit numerous fragments]], you know that anything can happen. . . and it's probably not going to end well for our heroes.]]
21st Aug '15 5:28:44 PM ErikModi
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HSQ: The final battle. [[spoiler: Especially once T3 gets blown apart. You may need to reread the passage a few times to make sure you read it right, but once it really sinks in that T3 is in [[{ShortCircuit} numerous fragments]], you know that anything can happen. . . and it's probably not going to end well for our heroes.]]

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* HSQ: The final battle. [[spoiler: Especially once T3 gets blown apart. You may need to reread the passage a few times to make sure you read it right, but once it really sinks in that T3 is in [[{ShortCircuit} [[ShortCircuit numerous fragments]], you know that anything can happen. . . and it's probably not going to end well for our heroes.]]
21st Aug '15 5:28:11 PM ErikModi
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HSQ: The final battle. [[spoiler: Especially once T3 gets blown apart. You may need to reread the passage a few times to make sure you read it right, but once it really sinks in that T3 is in [[{ShortCircuit} numerous fragments]], you know that anything can happen. . . and it's probably not going to end well for our heroes.]]
18th Jul '15 12:34:34 PM VeryMelon
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* AntiSue: Overly conscious with Revan, where he will act like he has barely any tactical understanding (Despite being a tactical genius during the ''two wars he fought in''), will avoid using any of his powers from the game because that would be "overpowered", and will fall for obvious traps. Drew also drops a big TakeThatAudience to anyone who expected a competent Revan.

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* AntiSue: BadassDecay: Overly conscious with Revan, where he will act like he has barely any tactical understanding (Despite being a tactical genius during the ''two wars he fought in''), will avoid using any of his powers from the game because that would be "overpowered", and will fall for obvious traps. Drew also drops a big TakeThatAudience to anyone who expected a competent Revan.
18th Jul '15 12:30:03 PM VeryMelon
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* AntiSue: Overly conscious with Revan, where he will act like he has barely any tactical understanding (Despite being a tactical genius during the ''two wars he fought in''), will avoid using any of his powers from the game because that would be "overpowered", and will fall for obvious traps. Drew also drops a big TakeThatAudience to anyone who expected a competent Revan.



* FanonDiscontinuity: Even before the 2014 reboot, many Star Wars fans refused to believe this novel happened, and use other explanations for why Revan is in The Old Republic.



** FanonDiscontinuity: Even before the 2014 reboot, many Star Wars fans refused to believe this happened, and use other explanations for why Revan is in The Old Republic.
* MarySue: Overly consciously averted with Revan, where he will act like he has barely any tactical understanding (Despite being a tactical genius during the ''two wars he fought in''), will avoid using any of his powers from the game because that would be "overpowered", and will fall for obvious traps. Drew also drops a big TakeThat to anyone who expected a competent Revan, but then plays it boringly straight with the Emperor- see below.
* MoralEventHorizon: The Emperor crossed this both in-universe and out when he [[spoiler: wiped out all life on a planet (even the Force!) to [[ImmortalityImmorality make himself immortal]]]]. Alternatively, he could be seen as having crossed this when he [[spoiler: [[SelfMadeOrphan tortured his own mother to death.]]]] Of course there's also the fact that he [[spoiler: VAPORIZED T3-M4!]]

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** FanonDiscontinuity: Even before the 2014 reboot, many Star Wars fans refused to believe * IronWoobie: Both of them deal with all of this happened, and use other explanations for why Revan is in The Old Republic.
* MarySue: Overly consciously averted
with Revan, where he will act like he has barely any tactical understanding (Despite being a tactical genius during the ''two wars he fought in''), will avoid using any of his powers from the game because that would be "overpowered", and will fall for obvious traps. Drew also drops a big TakeThat to anyone who expected a competent Revan, but then plays it boringly straight with the Emperor- see below.
minimal tears, which shows their Determinator status pretty well.
* MoralEventHorizon: MoralEventHorizon:
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The Emperor crossed this both in-universe and out when he [[spoiler: wiped out all life on a planet (even the Force!) to [[ImmortalityImmorality make himself immortal]]]]. Alternatively, he could be seen as having crossed this when he [[spoiler: [[SelfMadeOrphan tortured his own mother to death.]]]] Of course there's also the fact that he [[spoiler: VAPORIZED T3-M4!]]



* TearJerker: Revan seeing a holorecording of the son he will never meet. When he cries it's totally understandable.

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* TearJerker: TearJerker:
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Revan seeing a holorecording of the son he will never meet. When he cries it's totally understandable.



* TheWoobie: UpToEleven with Revan and the Exile. Let's start with Revan: in addition to everything he suffered through in KnightsOfTheOldRepublic and the events before that, here, he gets a grand-total of two years to be with the woman he loves before having to leave her behind forever, never gets to see his son, is held prisoner for three years, drugged up the whole time, and finally [[spoiler: gets betrayed and held captive for 300 years by the [[CompleteMonster Sith]] [[HumanoidAbomination Emperor]].]]

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* TheWoobie: UpToEleven with Revan and the Exile. TheWoobie:
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Let's start with Revan: in addition to everything he suffered through in KnightsOfTheOldRepublic and the events before that, here, he gets a grand-total of two years to be with the woman he loves before having to leave her behind forever, never gets to see his son, is held prisoner for three years, drugged up the whole time, and finally [[spoiler: gets betrayed and held captive for 300 years by the [[CompleteMonster Sith]] [[HumanoidAbomination Emperor]].]]



*** IronWoobie: Both of them deal with all of this with minimal tears, which shows their Determinator status pretty well.
6th Sep '14 6:42:43 AM GoneRampant
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* InternetBackdraft: Quite a few KOTOR fans ''hate'' this book- alongside putting Revan and The Exile to mild BadassDecay, the KOTOR squadmates are incredibly shafted, outside of Canderous, T3 and Bastila. Even more so for the KOTOR 2 squadmates, where outside of Kreia (And only as a reference to her as "Darth Traya") ''none of them are even mentioned by name''. Add this in with Exile not recognising Force comsuming abilities (Despite having fought one in the form of Nihlus), her connection to the Force magically re-appearing, the Sith Emperor being a VillainSue and all of Kreia's teachings about the Force and the Jedi? [[SarcasmMode Clearly a sign of Dark Side corruption.]] [[AndZoidberg And on top of that, quite a few people hate the name Meetra Surik]].

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* InternetBackdraft: Quite a few KOTOR fans ''hate'' this book- alongside putting Revan and The Exile to mild BadassDecay, the KOTOR squadmates are incredibly shafted, outside of Canderous, T3 and Bastila. Even more so for the KOTOR 2 squadmates, where outside of Kreia (And only as a reference to her as "Darth Traya") ''none of them are even mentioned by name''. Add this in with Exile not recognising Force comsuming abilities (Despite having fought one in the form of Nihlus), her connection to the Force magically re-appearing, the Sith Emperor being a VillainSue and all of Kreia's teachings about the Force and the Jedi? [[SarcasmMode Clearly a sign of Dark Side corruption.]] [[AndZoidberg And on top of that, quite a few people hate the name Meetra Surik]]. Quite a few people used this as an example of why the below-mentioned Reboot wasn't ''completely'' a horrific decision.
12th Aug '14 3:30:02 PM GoneRampant
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* InternetBackdraft: Quite a few KOTOR fans ''hate'' this book- alongside putting Revan and The Exile to mild BadassDecay, the KOTOR squadmates are incredibly shafted, outside of Canderous, T3 and Bastila. Even more so for the KOTOR 2 squadmates, where outside of Kreia (And only as a reference to her as "Darth Traya") ''none of them are even mentioned by name''. Add this in with her not recognising Force comsuming abilities (Despite having fought one in the form of Nihlus), her connection to the Force magically re-appearing, the Sith Emperor being a VillainSue and all of Kreia's teachings about the Force and the Jedi? [[SarcasmMode Clearly a sign of Dark Side corruption.]] [[AndZoidberg And on top of that, quite a few people hate the name Meetra Surik]].
* MarySue: Overly conciously averted with Revan, where he will act like he has barely any tactical understanding, will avoid using his area of effect powers because that would be "overpowered", and will fall for obvious traps. The author does a big take that to anyone who expected a competent Revant, but then plays it super duper straight with the Emperor

to:

* InternetBackdraft: Quite a few KOTOR fans ''hate'' this book- alongside putting Revan and The Exile to mild BadassDecay, the KOTOR squadmates are incredibly shafted, outside of Canderous, T3 and Bastila. Even more so for the KOTOR 2 squadmates, where outside of Kreia (And only as a reference to her as "Darth Traya") ''none of them are even mentioned by name''. Add this in with her Exile not recognising Force comsuming abilities (Despite having fought one in the form of Nihlus), her connection to the Force magically re-appearing, the Sith Emperor being a VillainSue and all of Kreia's teachings about the Force and the Jedi? [[SarcasmMode Clearly a sign of Dark Side corruption.]] [[AndZoidberg And on top of that, quite a few people hate the name Meetra Surik]].
** FanonDiscontinuity: Even before the 2014 reboot, many Star Wars fans refused to believe this happened, and use other explanations for why Revan is in The Old Republic.
* MarySue: Overly conciously consciously averted with Revan, where he will act like he has barely any tactical understanding, understanding (Despite being a tactical genius during the ''two wars he fought in''), will avoid using any of his area of effect powers from the game because that would be "overpowered", and will fall for obvious traps. The author does Drew also drops a big take that TakeThat to anyone who expected a competent Revant, Revan, but then plays it super duper boringly straight with the EmperorEmperor- see below.



** [[BittersweetEnding The ending.]] [[spoiler: T3: UndyingLoyalty, BadassAdorable, ''T3-M4'' is [[DeaderThanDead incinerated]]. Meetra Sunik, The Jedi Exile: TheAtoner, TheHero, ''The Exile'' is [[StuffedIntoTheFridge betrayed and murdered]]. Revan: God damned, Revan; MemeticBadass, [[PlayerCharacter us]]; '''Revan''' is [[SealedGoodInACan imprisoned]] by the [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] Emperor.]] IWillFindYou. [[TheOldRepublic I will save you]]. [[spoiler: [[TearJerker It won't work out.]]]]

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** [[BittersweetEnding The ending.]] [[spoiler: T3: UndyingLoyalty, BadassAdorable, ''T3-M4'' is [[DeaderThanDead incinerated]]. Meetra Sunik, The Jedi Exile: TheAtoner, TheHero, ''The Exile'' is [[StuffedIntoTheFridge betrayed and murdered]]. Revan: God damned, Revan; MemeticBadass, [[PlayerCharacter us]]; '''Revan''' is [[SealedGoodInACan imprisoned]] by the [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] Emperor.]] IWillFindYou. [[TheOldRepublic [[VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic I will save you]]. [[spoiler: [[TearJerker It won't work out.]]]]



* VillainSue: The Emperor. As a teenager he can kill 50 sith lords at once, a feat more suited to a dragon ball z villain than a star wars character, he can feed on an entire planet at once, and has all of DarthNihilus powers but at a greater level and without any weakness (also making him a copycatsue) and as soon as he shows up, Revan ceases to be the focal character or move the plot along at all. Oh and he casually stuffs Exile into the fridge. Because he's so awesome. He doesn't have much personality beyond being powerful and evil, but look how awesome is he is.

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* VillainSue: The Emperor. As a teenager he can kill 50 sith lords killed fifty Sith Lords at once, a feat more suited to a dragon ball z Anime/DragonBallZ villain than a star wars Star Wars character, he can feed on an entire planet at once, and has all of DarthNihilus the powers of KOTOR 2 BigBad Darth Nihlus but at a greater level and without any weakness (also making him a copycatsue) CopyCatSue) and as soon as he shows up, Revan ceases to be the focal focus character or move the plot along at all. Oh and he casually stuffs Exile into the fridge. Because he's so just ''so'' awesome. He doesn't have much personality beyond being powerful and evil, but look how awesome is he is.
8th Aug '14 1:39:58 PM Discar
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* VillianSue: The Emperor. As a teenager he can kill 50 sith lords at once, a feat more suited to a dragon ball z villain than a star wars character, he can feed on an entire planet at once, and has all of DarthNihilus powers but at a greater level and without any weakness (also making him a copycatsue) and as soon as he shows up, Revan ceases to be the focal character or move the plot along at all. Oh and he casually stuffs Exile into the fridge. Because he's so awesome. He doesn't have much personality beyond being powerful and evil, but look how awesome is he is.

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* VillianSue: VillainSue: The Emperor. As a teenager he can kill 50 sith lords at once, a feat more suited to a dragon ball z villain than a star wars character, he can feed on an entire planet at once, and has all of DarthNihilus powers but at a greater level and without any weakness (also making him a copycatsue) and as soon as he shows up, Revan ceases to be the focal character or move the plot along at all. Oh and he casually stuffs Exile into the fridge. Because he's so awesome. He doesn't have much personality beyond being powerful and evil, but look how awesome is he is.
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