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* MisBlamed: Whatever the series' faults, the [[SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale 3 million clone troopers number]] wasn't one of them. That blame lies at the feet of Creator/RASalvatore's ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'' {{novelization}}, movie-level canon which interpreted Kaminoan Prime Minister Lama Su's line, "200,000 units are ready, with a million more well on the way," as meaning 200,000 ''clones'' rather than a more sensible 200,000 ''military units'' (at ''least'' make it 200k companies!). Karen Traviss and others had no choice but to use it because, at the time, movie canon overrode EU novels. Post-Disney, a new canon reference book retconned "units" to refer to an entire division of clones (approximately 10,000-20,000 troops each).

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* MisBlamed: Whatever the series' faults, the [[SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale 3 million clone troopers number]] wasn't one of them. That blame lies at the feet of Creator/RASalvatore's ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'' {{novelization}}, movie-level canon which interpreted Kaminoan Prime Minister Lama Su's line, "200,000 units are ready, with a million more well on the way," as meaning 200,000 ''clones'' rather than a more sensible 200,000 ''military units'' (at ''least'' make it 200k companies!). companies!), as the term "unit" referred to a "unit of product". Add to the fact that Patricia C. Wrede's junior novelization also used these numbers, and it is likely the questionable numbers were given to them by their superiors.Karen Traviss and others had no choice but to use it because, at the time, movie canon overrode EU novels. Post-Disney, a new canon reference book retconned "units" And after the Disney reboot, sources still continued to refer to an entire division of clones (approximately 10,000-20,000 troops each).use the numbers.
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* EvilIsSexy: Mentioned with the Falleen, in a CallForward to ''Literature/ShadowsOfTheEmpire'' ([[SmellsSexy Falleen have pheromones that make them attractive to many humanoids]]).
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The storyline takes place during the same time period as the Mandalorian Protectors are supposed to be rampaging through the galaxy, even launching an attack on the clones' homeworld of Kamino. Do we get to see some more Mandalorian versus clone action? Nope. Do we even get a cursory run-through of the campaign? Nope. And by the last books, our protagonists are regularly teaming up with the last survivors of the Protectors without any tension about the whole "attacking our little brothers," or "wiping out almost everyone we fought alongside."
** We ''do'' actually see some of this in ''True Colors'', when Omega ends up stationed with some troopers who've been fighting Mandalorians aligned with the Confederacy, underlining how alienated the commandos had become from the majority of their "brothers".

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The storyline takes place during the same time period as the Mandalorian Protectors are supposed to be rampaging through the galaxy, even launching an attack on the clones' homeworld of Kamino. Do we get to see some more Mandalorian versus clone action? Nope. Do we even get a cursory run-through of the campaign? Nope. And by the last books, our protagonists are regularly teaming up with the last survivors of the Protectors without any tension about the whole "attacking our little brothers," or "wiping out almost everyone we fought alongside."
** We ''do'' actually see some of this in ''True Colors'',
" The most we get is when Omega ends up stationed with some troopers who've been fighting Mandalorians aligned with the Confederacy, underlining how alienated the commandos had become from the majority of their "brothers"."brothers."
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** This series has a very controversial one of the Jedi Order. The Jedi Knights have severed themselves from their families and made use of a slave army in order to protect a Republic that's obviously not worth protecting. As a result, they're individuals who deserve nothing but scorn and derision. Skirata reflects on this in ''Order 66'' and calls his motley crew his "syndicate." He thinks what they are doing is completely justified because they are saving millions of lives. Later continuity like ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars]]'' would {{Retcon}} this ''hard'', stating that the Jedi ''did'' care and respect the clones, who executed Order 66 not because of their disillusionment with the order, but because they had been [[BrainwashedAndCrazy brainwashed to do so]].

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** This series has a very controversial one of the Jedi Order. The Jedi Knights have severed themselves from their families and made use of a slave army in order to protect a Republic that's obviously not worth protecting. As a result, they're individuals who deserve nothing but scorn and derision. Skirata reflects on this in ''Order 66'' and calls his motley crew his "syndicate." He thinks what they are doing is completely justified because they are saving millions of lives. Later continuity like ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars]]'' would {{Retcon}} this ''hard'', stating that the Jedi ''did'' care and respect and care about the clones, who executed Order 66 not because of their disillusionment with the order, but because they had been [[BrainwashedAndCrazy brainwashed to do so]].
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: As controversial as this series' portrayals of the Republic and the Jedi are, this is still the only narrative in either canon to seriously address the elephant in the room regarding the clones' sentience: by any reasonable definition, they're SlaveMooks, something that, morality aside, is supposed to be illegal under Republic law according to ''Film/ThePhantomMenace''. For all that they're a OneNationUnderCopyright ruled by a Sith Lord, the Separatists are at least using a normal army of volunteers, conscripts, and non-sentient machines to do their fighting, and [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome Traviss partially attributes the clones' willingness to obey Order 66 to revenge for their enslavement]].

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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: ''The Clone Wars'' largely {{retcon}}ning and {{continuity snarl}}ing at Traviss's Mandalorian lore caused her to {{ragequit}} from the franchise, and at the time, many fans didn't disagree that ''The Clone Wars'''s portrayal of the Mandalorians was not at their best. Come ''Series/TheMandalorian'' a decade later, causing a surge in popularity for the Mandalorians, with fans comparing their current portrayal to Traviss's Mandalorians.



* VindicatedByHistory: Though the series itself remains somewhat LoveItOrHateIt due to the expressed opinions of the Jedi and the Republic, its depiction of the Mandalorian clan culture proved extremely popular and enduring, and was ultimately even canonized in BroadStrokes by ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'', ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'', and ''Series/TheMandalorian''.

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* VindicatedByHistory: Though the series itself remains somewhat LoveItOrHateIt divisive due to the expressed opinions of the Jedi and the Republic, its depiction of the Mandalorian clan culture proved extremely popular and enduring, and was ultimately even canonized in BroadStrokes by ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'', ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'', and ''Series/TheMandalorian''.
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* MarySuetopia: How many view Karen Traviss' Mandalorians. Supposedly, Traviss was going to subject her own creation to some very well-deserved scrutiny -- there was much foreshadowing in ''501st'' that even the "safe harbor" on Mandalore (the planet) may not come free and without attachments -- but those plans fell through, leaving only a race of proud warriors that could do no wrong, and certainly were superior to those lousy ''Jedi''.
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* MarySuetopia: How many view Karen Traviss' Mandalorians. Justified, as it was implied to be a set up for Traviss subjecting her own creation to some very well-deserved scrutiny. There was much foreshadowing in ''501st'' that even the "safe harbor" on Mandalore (the planet) may not come free and without attachments. Mand'alor is just as political as the rest of the galaxy and would use the clones for his own "patriotic" purposes. Unfortunately, she exited ''Star Wars'' before she could bring this into fruition, if true.

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* MarySuetopia: How many view Karen Traviss' Mandalorians. Justified, as it was implied to be a set up for Supposedly, Traviss subjecting was going to subject her own creation to some very well-deserved scrutiny. There scrutiny -- there was much foreshadowing in ''501st'' that even the "safe harbor" on Mandalore (the planet) may not come free and without attachments. Mand'alor is just as political as the rest attachments -- but those plans fell through, leaving only a race of the galaxy and would use the clones for his own "patriotic" purposes. Unfortunately, she exited ''Star Wars'' before she proud warriors that could bring this into fruition, if true.do no wrong, and certainly were superior to those lousy ''Jedi''.
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* GeniusBonus: Many examples. The series is written by a long-time war correspondent, so a lot of it is recognizable to people acquainted with military life;
** The Mandalorain Morse code {{Expy}} is called ''dadita''. Written or spoken, dots and dashes in Morse code are called ''dits'' and ''das''.
** The tendency to harangue the upper brass is pretty realistic.
** While toning itself down to fit the tone and age bracket of ''Star Wars'', the series reads as military fiction/political drama as much as it can.
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* VindicatedByHistory: Though the series itself remains somewhat LoveItOrHateIt due to the expressed opinions of the Jedi and the Republic, its depiction of the Mandalorian clan culture proved extremely popular and enduring, and was ultimately even canonized in BroadStrokes by ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'', ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'', and ''Series/TheMandalorian''.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: As controversial as this series' portrayals of the Republic and the Jedi are, this is still the only narrative in either canon to seriously address the elephant in the room regarding the clones' sentience: by any reasonable definition, they're SlaveMooks, something that, morality aside, is supposed to be illegal under Republic law according to ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', and Traviss partially attributes the clones' willingness to obey Order 66 to revenge for their enslavement. For all that they're a OneNationUnderCopyright ruled by a Sith Lord, the Separatists are at least using a normal army of volunteers, conscripts, and non-sentient machines to do their fighting.

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: As controversial as this series' portrayals of the Republic and the Jedi are, this is still the only narrative in either canon to seriously address the elephant in the room regarding the clones' sentience: by any reasonable definition, they're SlaveMooks, something that, morality aside, is supposed to be illegal under Republic law according to ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', and Traviss partially attributes the clones' willingness to obey Order 66 to revenge for their enslavement. ''Film/ThePhantomMenace''. For all that they're a OneNationUnderCopyright ruled by a Sith Lord, the Separatists are at least using a normal army of volunteers, conscripts, and non-sentient machines to do their fighting.fighting, and [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome Traviss partially attributes the clones' willingness to obey Order 66 to revenge for their enslavement]].
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** Time has not been kind to the book's interpretation of Kal Skirata. Rather than the idealized Mandalorian father, fans have instead noticed that his sons have taken to going on missions that keep him as far from them as possible, that he named one of his sons (Darman) "Souless", that he knowingly put both Etain and her unborn child in danger in his harebrained scheme to hide the pregnancy from Darman, that he actively cultivated the idea that the Nulls were insane, on and on. The end result is that Kal Skirata ends up looking just as abusive if not worse than Vau, only through manipulation instead of violence.

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** Time has not been kind to the book's interpretation of Kal Skirata. Rather than the idealized Mandalorian father, fans have instead noticed that his sons have taken to going on missions that keep him as far from them as possible, that he named one of his sons (Darman) "Souless", "Soulless" (in fairness, though, this was apparently an unfortunate oversight by Traviss), that he knowingly put both Etain and her unborn child in danger in his harebrained scheme to hide the pregnancy from Darman, that he actively cultivated the idea that the Nulls were insane, on and so on. The end result is that Kal Skirata ends up looking just as abusive if not worse ''worse'' than Vau, only through manipulation instead of physical violence.



* DracoInLeatherPants: Kal Skirata. While he's one of the "good guys" and has a sizable fanbase for being a CoolOldGuy, there's quite a handful of fans who miss that Traviss deconstructs his Cool Old Guy tendencies by showing that his overuse of tough love to his "kids" and his blind dogma to Mandalorian culture have made his family afraid and untrusting of him.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Kal Skirata. While he's one of the "good guys" and has a sizable fanbase for being a CoolOldGuy, there's quite a handful of fans who miss that Traviss deconstructs his Cool Old Guy tendencies by showing that his overuse of tough love to his "kids" and his blind dogma to Mandalorian culture have made his family rightfully afraid and untrusting of him.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Kal Skirata. While he's one of the "good guys" and has a sizable fanbase for being a CoolOldGuy, there's quite a handful of fans who miss that Traviss deconstructs his Cool Old Guy tendencies by showing that his overuse of tough love to his "kids" and his blind dogma to Mandalorian culture have made his family afraid and untrusting of him.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: As controversial as this series' portrayals of the Republic and the Jedi are, this is still the only narrative in either canon to seriously address the elephant in the room regarding the clones' sentience: by any reasonable definition, they're SlaveMooks, something that, morality aside, is supposed to be illegal under Republic law according to ''Film/ThePhantomMenace''. For all that they're a OneNationUnderCopyright ruled by a Sith Lord, the Separatists are at least using a normal army of volunteers, conscripts, and non-sentient machines to do their fighting.

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: As controversial as this series' portrayals of the Republic and the Jedi are, this is still the only narrative in either canon to seriously address the elephant in the room regarding the clones' sentience: by any reasonable definition, they're SlaveMooks, something that, morality aside, is supposed to be illegal under Republic law according to ''Film/ThePhantomMenace''.''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', and Traviss partially attributes the clones' willingness to obey Order 66 to revenge for their enslavement. For all that they're a OneNationUnderCopyright ruled by a Sith Lord, the Separatists are at least using a normal army of volunteers, conscripts, and non-sentient machines to do their fighting.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: As controversial as this series' portrayals of the Republic and the Jedi are, this is still the only narrative in either canon to seriously address the elephant in the room regarding the fact that the clone army are, by any reasonable definition, SlaveMooks. For all that they're a OneNationUnderCopyright ruled by a Sith Lord, the Separatists are at least using a normal army of volunteers, conscripts, and non-sentient machines to do their fighting.

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: As controversial as this series' portrayals of the Republic and the Jedi are, this is still the only narrative in either canon to seriously address the elephant in the room regarding the fact that the clone army are, clones' sentience: by any reasonable definition, SlaveMooks.they're SlaveMooks, something that, morality aside, is supposed to be illegal under Republic law according to ''Film/ThePhantomMenace''. For all that they're a OneNationUnderCopyright ruled by a Sith Lord, the Separatists are at least using a normal army of volunteers, conscripts, and non-sentient machines to do their fighting.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: As controversial as this series' portrayals of the Republic and the Jedi are, this is still the only narrative in either canon to seriously address the elephant in the room regarding the fact that the clone army are, by any reasonable definition, SlaveMooks. For all that they're a OneNationUnderCopyright ruled by a Sith Lord, the Separatists are at least using a normal army of volunteers, conscripts, and non-sentient machines to do their fighting.
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* NotSoDifferent:
** It's interesting to note that for all that Skirata hates the Jedi, he's often just as guilty of what he hates them for. He hates them for "abducting" kids to be in the order (in reality, recruiting Force-sensitive kids with parental consent), yet Mandalorians adopt kids too, and they're more likely to put them in danger, or even worse, [[FridgeHorror have been involved in what made the kids orphans.]]
** Similarly, he thinks the Jedi brainwash their kids, but at least they raise them in comfort and teach them to be peacekeepers. Mandalorians raise their kids in danger, and teach them to kill for money. Just 'cause they love their families doesn't mean they're superior.
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* NotSoDifferent:
** It's interesting to note that for all that Skirata hates the Jedi, he's often just as guilty of what he hates them for. He hates them for "abducting" kids to be in the order (in reality, recruiting Force-sensitive kids with parental consent), yet Mandalorians adopt kids too, and they're more likely to put them in danger, or even worse, [[FridgeHorror have been involved in what made the kids orphans.]]
** Similarly, he thinks the Jedi brainwash their kids, but at least they raise them in comfort and teach them to be peacekeepers. Mandalorians raise their kids in danger, and teach them to kill for money. Just 'cause they love their families doesn't mean they're superior.
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* EvilIsSexy: Mentioned with the Falleen, in a CallForward to ''Literature/ShadowsOfTheEmpire'' ([[SmellsSexy Falleen have pheromones that make them attractive to many humanoids]])

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* EvilIsSexy: Mentioned with the Falleen, in a CallForward to ''Literature/ShadowsOfTheEmpire'' ([[SmellsSexy Falleen have pheromones that make them attractive to many humanoids]])humanoids]]).
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic:
** The sounds of LAAT/i gunships to the commandos. There's a sound clip here (from 5:19) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBivZBxAF0Q
** The Mandalorian marching song ''Vode An''

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic:
** The sounds of LAAT/i gunships to
BrokenBase: Generally falls under the commandos. There's opinion of being a sound clip here (from 5:19) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBivZBxAF0Q
** The
great, in-depth exploration of the Clone Troopers, the Mandalorians, and Mandalorian marching song ''Vode An''culture, or pitfalls into Traviss overly praising the Mandalorians while unironically putting down the Jedi and any other character/person that doesn't agree. The way ''The Clone Wars'' (and to a lesser extent, ''Rebels'') has depicted the Mandalorians has only furthered the divide, though ''The Mandalorian'' seems to be healing some of the vitriol.



* MarySuetopia: How many view Karen Traviss' Mandalorians.
** Somewhat justified. Sadly Traviss rage-quit when she was going to subject her own creation to some very well deserved scrutiny. There was much foreshadowing in ''501st'' that even the "safe harbor" on Mandalore (the planet) may not come free and without attachments. Mand'alor is just as political as the rest of the galaxy and would use the clones for his own "patriotic" purposes.

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* MarySuetopia: How many view Karen Traviss' Mandalorians.
** Somewhat justified. Sadly
Mandalorians. Justified, as it was implied to be a set up for Traviss rage-quit when she was going to subject subjecting her own creation to some very well deserved well-deserved scrutiny. There was much foreshadowing in ''501st'' that even the "safe harbor" on Mandalore (the planet) may not come free and without attachments. Mand'alor is just as political as the rest of the galaxy and would use the clones for his own "patriotic" purposes. Unfortunately, she exited ''Star Wars'' before she could bring this into fruition, if true.

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* FridgeHorror: Season Six of The Clone Wars revealed what Order 66 really is: a physical chip inside the head of every clone that drives them to kill Jedi against their will. In other words, in the official setting, it could very well not have been a Jedi who kills Etain when she attempts to protect a clone soldier, but '''Darman''' and Omega Squad, who would be forced to kill her via Order 66 and the implant, if they could not resist it.

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* FridgeHorror: Season Six of The ''The Clone Wars Wars'' revealed what Order 66 really is: a physical chip inside the head of every clone that drives them to kill Jedi against their will. In other words, in the official setting, it could very well not have been a Jedi who kills Etain when she attempts to protect a clone soldier, but '''Darman''' and Omega Squad, who would be forced to kill her via Order 66 and the implant, if they could not resist it.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: ''The Clone Wars'' largely {{retcon}}ning and {{continuity snarl}}ing at Traviss's Mandalorian lore caused her to {{ragequit}} from the franchise, and at the time, many fans didn't disagree that ''The Clone Wars'''s portrayal of the Mandalorians was not at their best. Come ''Series/TheMandalorian'' a decade later, causing a surge in popularity for the Mandalorians, with fans comparing their current portrayal to Traviss's Mandalorians.



** Somewhat justified. Sadly Traviss rage-quit when she was going to subject her own creation to some very well deserved scrutiny. There was much foreshadowing in ''501st'' that even the "safe harbor" on Mandalore (the planet) may not come free and without attachments. Mand'alore (the ruler) is just as political as the rest of the galaxy and would use the clones for his own "patriotic" purposes.

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** Somewhat justified. Sadly Traviss rage-quit when she was going to subject her own creation to some very well deserved scrutiny. There was much foreshadowing in ''501st'' that even the "safe harbor" on Mandalore (the planet) may not come free and without attachments. Mand'alore (the ruler) Mand'alor is just as political as the rest of the galaxy and would use the clones for his own "patriotic" purposes.



* MoralEventHorizon: Scorch views a mortar attack on a base's commissary as this. When he and the rest of Delta tracks down the guys that did it, he brutally kills them, then repeatedly pours blaster bolts into their bodies in full view of a gaggle of onlookers.
** Out of universe, Skirata and Ordo murdering Padawans during Order 66 could also qualify.
* {{Squick}}: The clones are only 10-13 years old in the books. No matter how many times the book stresses they are men and mentally and physically twice their age, ''there is no changing the fact that the clones have only been in the galaxy for 10-13 standard years.''

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Scorch views a mortar attack on a base's commissary as this. When he and the rest of Delta tracks down the guys that did it, he brutally kills them, then repeatedly pours blaster bolts into their bodies in full view of a gaggle of onlookers.
** Out of universe, Skirata and Ordo murdering Padawans during Order 66 could also qualify.
* {{Squick}}: The clones are only 10-13 years old in the books. No matter how many times the book stresses they are men and mentally and physically twice their age, ''there is no changing the fact that the clones have only been in the galaxy for [[ChildSoldier 10-13 standard years.years]].''
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* HilariousInHindsight: At one point, Kal notes that Uthan's dyed hair wouldn't last in combat and implies he looks down on it for being un-Mandalorian, since fashion and self-aesthetic isn't a focus in Mandalorian culture. Come [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Sabine]], and no Mandalorians have any problem with her.

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* HilariousInHindsight: At one point, Kal notes that Uthan's dyed hair wouldn't last in combat and implies he looks down on it for being un-Mandalorian, since fashion and self-aesthetic isn't a focus in Mandalorian culture. Come [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Sabine]], and no Mandalorians have any problem with her.Go [[HilariousInHindsight/StarWarsLegends here]].
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** This series has a very controversial one of the Jedi Order. The Jedi Knights have severed themselves from their families and made use of a slave army in order to protect a Republic that's obviously not worth protecting. As a result, they're individuals who deserve nothing but scorn and derision. Skirata reflects on this in ''Order 66'' and calls his motley crew his "syndicate." He thinks what they are doing is completely justified because they are saving millions of lives. Later continuity like [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars ''The Clone Wars'']] would {{Retcon}} this ''hard'', stating that the Jedi ''did'' care and respect the clones, who executed Order 66 not because of their disillusionment with the order, but because they had been [[BrainwashedAndCrazy brainwashed to do so]].

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** This series has a very controversial one of the Jedi Order. The Jedi Knights have severed themselves from their families and made use of a slave army in order to protect a Republic that's obviously not worth protecting. As a result, they're individuals who deserve nothing but scorn and derision. Skirata reflects on this in ''Order 66'' and calls his motley crew his "syndicate." He thinks what they are doing is completely justified because they are saving millions of lives. Later continuity like [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars ''The ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars'']] Wars]]'' would {{Retcon}} this ''hard'', stating that the Jedi ''did'' care and respect the clones, who executed Order 66 not because of their disillusionment with the order, but because they had been [[BrainwashedAndCrazy brainwashed to do so]].

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