History YMMV / RepublicCommandoSeries

1st Dec '16 6:00:26 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* MartyStu: Skirata, arguably. He is a father to his men and all of them love him. He is their patriarchal role model and he can do no wrong. He will do anything and everything to ensure his boys get the life that was taken away from them. [[spoiler: Skirata even lets Darman beat the crap out of him for not telling him about Kad.]]
** That said, Skirata does make some rather egregious errors of judgement, including the aforementioned [[spoiler:failing to tell Darman about his son]]. He is also a psychological mess; it is pointed out by several Jedi that Skirata is practically swimming in rage, guilt, and self-loathing.
1st Dec '16 5:56:16 PM Durendal_1138
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* MartyStu: Skirata, arguably. He is a father to his men and all of them love him. He is their patriarchal role model and he can do no wrong. He will do anything and everything to ensure his boys get the life that was taken away from them. [[spoiler: Skirata even lets Darman beat the crap out of him for not telling him about Kad.]]
** That said, Skirata does make some rather egregious errors of judgement, including the aforementioned [[spoiler:failing to tell Darman about his son]]. He is also a psychological mess; it is pointed out by several Jedi that Skirata is practically swimming in rage, guilt, and self-loathing.
5th Nov '16 6:48:49 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* MagnificentBastard: [[{{LargeHam}} Skirata]] [[{{HamToHamCombat}} acknowledges]] [[{{LargeHam}} Palpatine]] to be one.

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* MagnificentBastard: [[{{LargeHam}} Skirata]] [[{{HamToHamCombat}} acknowledges]] [[{{LargeHam}} Palpatine]] Skirata acknowledges Palpatine to be one.
5th Nov '16 6:48:02 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* MartyStu: Skirata, arguably. He is a father to his men and all of them love him. He is their patriarchal role model and he can do no wrong. He will do anything and everything to ensure his boys get the life that was taken away from them. [[spoiler: Skirata even lets Darman beat the crap out of him for not telling him about Kad.]]
** That said, Skirata does make some rather egregious errors of judgement, including the aforementioned [[spoiler:failing to tell Darman about his son]]. He is also a psychological mess; it is pointed out by several Jedi that Skirata is practically swimming in rage, guilt, and self-loathing.
5th Nov '16 6:46:28 PM dlchen145
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** Every time Ordo is {{badass}} take a sip

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** Every time Ordo is {{badass}} badass take a sip
31st May '16 8:43:18 PM Durendal_1138
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** Ironically, Traviss' depiction of Mandalorians is itself an example of this trope; previous EU material had established Mandalorians as a race hated and feared throughout the galaxy due to being brutal warmongers who eventually took up a racial proclivity towards bounty hunting and mercenary work after their empire was shattered, who were responsible for the complete ''genocide'' of several species, and who sided with the ''Sith'' in every single Sith/Jedi war (albeit because [[ChallengeSeeker they considered the Jedi stronger opponents than the Sith]]; there's some BlueAndOrangeMorality involved). Hardly admirable characters -- and certainly not better than the Jedi.

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** Ironically, Traviss' depiction of Mandalorians is itself an example of this trope; previous EU material had established Mandalorians as a race hated and feared throughout the galaxy due to being brutal warmongers who eventually took up a racial proclivity towards bounty hunting and mercenary work after their empire was shattered, who were responsible for the complete ''genocide'' of several species, and who sided with the ''Sith'' in every single Sith/Jedi war (albeit because [[ChallengeSeeker they considered the Jedi stronger opponents than the Sith]]; there's some BlueAndOrangeMorality involved).war. Hardly admirable characters -- and certainly not better than the Jedi.
4th May '16 5:34:18 PM StarSword
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** Ironically, Traviss' depiction of Mandalorians is itself an example of this trope; previous EU material had established Mandalorians as a race hated and feared throughout the galaxy due to being brutal warmongers who eventually took up a racial proclivity towards bounty hunting and mercenary work after their empire was shattered, who were responsible for the complete ''genocide'' of several species, and who sided with the ''Sith'' in every single Sith/Jedi war. Hardly admirable characters -- and certainly not better than the Jedi.

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** Ironically, Traviss' depiction of Mandalorians is itself an example of this trope; previous EU material had established Mandalorians as a race hated and feared throughout the galaxy due to being brutal warmongers who eventually took up a racial proclivity towards bounty hunting and mercenary work after their empire was shattered, who were responsible for the complete ''genocide'' of several species, and who sided with the ''Sith'' in every single Sith/Jedi war.war (albeit because [[ChallengeSeeker they considered the Jedi stronger opponents than the Sith]]; there's some BlueAndOrangeMorality involved). Hardly admirable characters -- and certainly not better than the Jedi.



* MisBlamed: Whatever the series' faults, the [[SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale 3 million clone troopers number]] wasn't one of them. That blame lies at the feet of R.A. Salvatore's ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'' {{novelization}}, movie-level canon which interpreted Kaminoan Prime Minister Lama Su's line, "200,000 units are ready, with a million more well on the way," as meaning 200,000 ''clones'' rather than a more sensible 200,000 ''military units''. Karen Traviss and others had no choice but to use it because, at the time, movie canon overrode EU novels.

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* MisBlamed: Whatever the series' faults, the [[SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale 3 million clone troopers number]] wasn't one of them. That blame lies at the feet of R.A. Salvatore's ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'' {{novelization}}, movie-level canon which interpreted Kaminoan Prime Minister Lama Su's line, "200,000 units are ready, with a million more well on the way," as meaning 200,000 ''clones'' rather than a more sensible 200,000 ''military units''.units'' (at ''least'' make it 200k companies!). Karen Traviss and others had no choice but to use it because, at the time, movie canon overrode EU novels.
9th Feb '16 4:34:57 AM Durendal_1138
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** Out of universe, Skirata and a Ordo murdering Padawans during Order 66 could also qualify.
15th Dec '15 2:40:54 PM hamza678
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*** This would, however, have contradicted ''Literature/LukeSkywalkerAndTheShadowsOfMindor'', as that book depicted the same ruler, decades later, as an optimistic idealist.
15th Dec '15 2:40:00 PM hamza678
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** Amusingly, fans have a similar view of the Mandalorians, treating them as essentially psychotic killers under the control of a VillainProtagonist.
*** ... which is a perfectly valid interpretation. Much as the attitudes of the Mandalorian POV characters might obscure it, Traviss shows them doing plenty of nasty things.



** [[FridgeBrilliance That is the entire point of the Republic Commando series.]] These are not Jedi seen through the eyes of Jedi, or Jedi seen through the eyes of normal civilians and the like; these are Jedi seen through the eyes of the '''MANDOLORIANS'''. Traviss' books are a viewpoint of how the Mandalorians see the Jedi Order, and those raised by Mandalorians.
*** Which was fine when Traviss was writing from Mandalorian and Mandalorian-trained Clone Troopers perspectives, except quite often she was guilty of having non-Mandalorian characters agree with or hold perspectives they absolutely shouldn't. Etain and Bardan were practically written so Traviss would have Jedi who agree with her incorrect assertions regarding the Order and its practices. In the twenty-plus thousand years the Jedi Order has been in existence it has always required parental permission to take children for Jedi training, and yet Etain, a trained Jedi, breaks down in the belief the Order will steal her child from her.



** [[{{squick}} So what does that make their lovers?]]
*** [[{{BrainBleach}} Just try not to think about it too hard.]]
**** But that is the thing: the clones may be 10-13 years old by the standards of normal Humans, but they are still physically and mentally adults. They simply lack the experience normal adults would have because of their accelerated age and the focus of their lives on training for a war they were bred for.
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