History YMMV / PuyoPuyo

20th Nov '17 9:23:20 AM Schezoroark
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** In ''Puyo Tetris'', chapter 10 involves [[CuteWitch Witch]] creating a show called "The Beauty 'N The Beast." A [[Creator/EmmaWatson young]] [[Franchise/HarryPotter witch]] in "{{Film/Beauty And The Beast|2017}}", you say?

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** In ''Puyo Tetris'', chapter 10 Act 8 involves [[CuteWitch Witch]] creating a show called "The Beauty 'N The Beast." A [[Creator/EmmaWatson young]] [[Franchise/HarryPotter witch]] in "{{Film/Beauty And The Beast|2017}}", you say?
19th Nov '17 7:37:34 PM SpaceHunterDrakeRedcrest
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** During the aforementioned Schezo story, he encounters the Ocean Prince. His reaction to how adorable the prince is comes off as ''very'' homoerotic. Not helping is Schezo {{squee}}ing with flowers coming out of his head, similar to how they come out of Satan's head when he talks about Arle.



* WildMassGuessing: [[WMG/PuyoPuyo Has its own page]].
19th Nov '17 7:30:09 AM LtQuattro
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* UnexpectedCharacter:
** Zoh Daimaoh and Nasu Grave appearing in ''15th Anniversary'', especially considering that it took the next game to get Draco and the game after to get Witch.
** Every time ''Puyo Puyo! Quest'' adds a lesser-known character or alternate form from Compile's end of the series. Demon Servant takes the cake here (most of the western fanbase couldn't tell you what Demon Servant even ''looked like'' before he was added to ''Quest''), but not a lot of people were expecting the likes of Jarne, Mandrake, Black Kikimora, Cool Schezo[[note]]Schezo's classic costume[[/note]], or Green Witch[[note]]Witch as she appears in ''Puyo Puyo~n''[[/note]].
17th Nov '17 2:33:29 PM LtQuattro
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* CasualCompetitiveConflict: Not immediately obvious, but a variation of this seems to govern the mindshare surrounding the gameplay rules: Tsu is the "competitive" rule while ''everything else'' (but especially Sega-developed rules) plays the role of "casual." Mechanics like Sun Puyo, continuous offset, and Fever/Transformation are fun for players who are indifferent about huge chains but get in the way of more serious players; likewise, more serious players find Tsu's simple, sharp mechanics fun while others find it "[[SeinfeldIsUnfunny vanilla]]" and NintendoHard.

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* CasualCompetitiveConflict: CasualCompetitiveConflict:
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Not immediately obvious, but a variation of this seems to govern the mindshare surrounding the gameplay rules: Tsu is the "competitive" rule while ''everything else'' (but especially Sega-developed rules) plays the role of "casual." Mechanics like Sun Puyo, continuous offset, and Fever/Transformation are fun for players who are indifferent about huge chains but get in the way of more serious players; likewise, more serious players find Tsu's simple, sharp mechanics fun while others find it "[[SeinfeldIsUnfunny vanilla]]" and NintendoHard.NintendoHard.
** As alluded to above, high-level players were not happy with the FakeBalance in ''Puyo Puyo Tetris''. It only got worse when the September 2017 patch not only failed to fix the balance, but also made questionable changes to the game speed in Puyo vs Puyo matches. That hasn't stopped the game from receiving tons of praise from both newcomers and a sizable portion of the pre-existing fanbase.



* ViewerGenderConfusion: The Prince of the Ocean's human form looks like [[http://puyonexus.net/images/wiki/chars/princesalde-ppf2-thumb.png this]]. Despite the heavy emphasis on pink colors, he's male.

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* ViewerGenderConfusion: ViewerGenderConfusion:
** ''All About Puyo Puyo Tsu'' reveals that Baromett is actually a male, contrary to his general appearance and [[CrossDressingVoices voice]].
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The Prince of the Ocean's human form looks like [[http://puyonexus.net/images/wiki/chars/princesalde-ppf2-thumb.png this]]. Despite the heavy emphasis on pink colors, he's male.
7th Nov '17 10:41:49 PM wingedcatgirl
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*** Arle doesn't use Diacute AT ALL in the English dub, her attack chain having her go 'Want More?' instead of saying Diacute, due possibly in part to the backlash in Fever with the translated version being 'Diamond Cute'.

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*** Arle doesn't use Diacute AT ALL in the English dub, her attack chain having her go 'Want More?' instead of saying Diacute, due possibly in part to the backlash in to Fever with the translated version being [[BlindIdiotTranslation translating it as 'Diamond Cute'.Cutie']].
28th Oct '17 6:37:00 PM Schezoroark
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: In a world where the internet is a profoundly vast world, ''Cranky Food Friends'' received endless flak for being an unacceptable cheap reskin of ''Puyo Quest''. The InternetBackdraft might have played a role in the game's relatively swift and silent death.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: In a world where the internet is a profoundly vast world, ''Cranky Food Friends'' received endless flak for being an unacceptable when it was (very quickly) discovered to be a cheap reskin of ''Puyo Quest''. The InternetBackdraft might have played a role in the game's relatively swift and silent death.death, not even passing the soft launch phase of its lifespan.
21st Sep '17 11:22:32 PM LtQuattro
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*** Sega announced a balance patch for ''Puyo Puyo Tetris'' after the [=AnimEVO=] 2017 tournament[[note]]This will be the second balance update, the first being the changes made to the [=PS4/XBO/Switch=] versions of the game[[/note]], presumably in an attempt to combat the {{memetic|Mutation}} level of FakeBalance between Puyo rules and Tetris rules.

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*** Sega announced a balance patch for ''Puyo Puyo Tetris'' after the [=AnimEVO=] 2017 tournament[[note]]This will be the second balance update, the first being the changes made to the [=PS4/XBO/Switch=] versions of the game[[/note]], presumably in an attempt to combat the {{memetic|Mutation}} level of FakeBalance between Puyo rules and Tetris rules. Unfortunately, the patch was not well received as it only nerfed a few of Tetris's overwhelming advantages over Puyo.
*** Arle doesn't use Diacute AT ALL in the English dub, her attack chain having her go 'Want More?' instead of saying Diacute, due possibly in part to the backlash in Fever with the translated version being 'Diamond Cute'.



** ''Puyo Puyo Tetris'' getting a dub and apparently no dual audio option, invoking SubbingVsDubbing debates. On one side of the argument people are open to the idea of characters finally getting an English voice and are curious to how they will be interpreted, while the other side does not like the changes made and thinks the Japanese voice acting is better. Then there's the third crowd that doesn't care about either argument and are just happy that Puyo Puyo is getting another chance at capturing a western crowd in the first place.

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** ''Puyo Puyo Tetris'' was seen as something of a ContestedSequel before the localization was announced. The fandom collectively put the debates aside to celebrate the first English-language ''Puyo Puyo'' release in more than a decade, but it wouldn't be long before the familiar criticisms resurfaced. The primary issues raised by more seasoned ''Puyo'' fans are that fundamental differences between the two puzzle games make the Puyo vs Tetris matchup an exercise in frustration, as well as the fact that ''Puyo Tetris'' has a fraction of the modes of 20th. (With most of the rulesets that it ''does'' include being [[ScrappyMechanic of dubious quality]].)
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''Puyo Puyo Tetris'' getting a dub and apparently no dual audio option, invoking SubbingVsDubbing debates. On one side of the argument people are open to the idea of characters finally getting an English voice and are curious to how they will be interpreted, while the other side does not like the changes made and thinks the Japanese voice acting is better. Then there's the third crowd that doesn't care about either argument and are just happy that Puyo Puyo is getting another chance at capturing a western crowd in the first place.



*** Also, Arle doesn't use Diacute AT ALL in the English dub, her attack chain having her go 'Want More?' instead of saying Diacute, due possibly in part to the backlash in Fever with the translated version being 'Diamond Cute'.
** ''Puyo Puyo Tetris'' has also reopened the debate about Satan vs. [[{{Bowdlerise}} Dark Prince]]. Either it's a relic of early-90s MoralGuardians and should be removed, or it's a creative euphemism that will avoid potential UnfortunateImplications and [[GrandfatherClause is part of the series's identity at this point]]. The fact that ''Sonic Runners'' didn't change his name and the manual for ''3D Puyo Puyo 2'' uses both names only adds fuel to the fire.

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*** Also, Arle doesn't use Diacute AT ALL in the English dub, her attack chain having her go 'Want More?' instead of saying Diacute, due possibly in part to the backlash in Fever with the translated version being 'Diamond Cute'.
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''Puyo Puyo Tetris'' has also reopened the debate about Satan vs. [[{{Bowdlerise}} Dark Prince]]. Either it's a relic of early-90s MoralGuardians and should be removed, or it's a creative euphemism that will avoid potential UnfortunateImplications and [[GrandfatherClause is part of the series's identity at this point]]. The fact that ''Sonic Runners'' didn't change his name and the manual for ''3D Puyo Puyo 2'' uses both names only adds fuel to the fire.
24th Aug '17 9:08:55 PM LtQuattro
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* CommonKnowledge: Until the 2010s, the English arcade game being a bootleg was considered undisputed fact. However, an increasingly large amount of counter-evidence (namely, the striking similarities between this translation and the undeniably-official ''Puzlow Kids'') has called this "fact" into question. With a ''complete'' absence of WordOfGod on the matter, the closest thing we have to a verifiable source is UsefulNotes/{{MAME}}, whose notes on both the game and the Sega System C-2 driver suggest that the game is legit and that the bootleg talk is due to a misunderstanding.[[note]]The game was first "dumped" (turned into files readable by home computers) from a bootleg board, but a later dump appears to have come from a legit board. Notably, the bootleg version's files are labeled based on the game's MAME name, while the "legit" version's files are labeled according Sega's official ROM naming scheme. Versions of emulator code for the System C-2 that predate the alleged-legit English game contain a comment that they don't have an "original" version of the English Puyo Puyo.[[/note]] The fandom mostly avoids the debate by [[FanonDiscontinuity pretending that the game and]] [[AmericanKirbyIsHardcore its]] [[DubNameChange numerous]] [[{{Bowdlerize}} questionable]] [[CutAndPasteTranslation localization]] [[{{Narm}} traits]] [[FanonDiscontinuity don't exist]].



* WildMassGuessing: Just what is the deal with the English arcade game? The original CommonKnowledge was that it was a bootleg; however, an increasingly large amount of counter-evidence (namely, the striking similarities between this translation and the undeniably-official ''Puzlow Kids'') has called this "fact" into question. With a ''complete'' absence of WordOfGod on the matter, the closest thing we have to a verifiable source is UsefulNotes/{{MAME}}, whose notes on both the game and the Sega System C-2 driver suggest that the game is legit and that the bootleg talk is due to a misunderstanding.[[note]]The game was first "dumped" (turned into files readable by home computers) from a bootleg board, but a later dump appears to have come from a legit board. Notably, the bootleg version's files are labeled based on the game's MAME name, while the "legit" version's files are labeled according Sega's official ROM naming scheme. Versions of emulator code for the System C-2 that predate the alleged-legit English game contain a comment that they don't have an "original" version of the English Puyo Puyo.[[/note]]
** And of course, several canon examples. How did Yu & Rei die? What is the deal with [[GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere Black Popoi]]? What did the demon inside Klug's book do to deserve being sealed in a book? Does Ms. Accord know more then she lets on?

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* WildMassGuessing: Just what is the deal with the English arcade game? The original CommonKnowledge was that it was a bootleg; however, an increasingly large amount of counter-evidence (namely, the striking similarities between this translation and the undeniably-official ''Puzlow Kids'') has called this "fact" into question. With a ''complete'' absence of WordOfGod on the matter, the closest thing we have to a verifiable source is UsefulNotes/{{MAME}}, whose notes on both the game and the Sega System C-2 driver suggest that the game is legit and that the bootleg talk is due to a misunderstanding.[[note]]The game was first "dumped" (turned into files readable by home computers) from a bootleg board, but a later dump appears to have come from a legit board. Notably, the bootleg version's files are labeled based on the game's MAME name, while the "legit" version's files are labeled according Sega's official ROM naming scheme. Versions of emulator code for the System C-2 that predate the alleged-legit English game contain a comment that they don't have an "original" version of the English Puyo Puyo.[[/note]]
** And of course, several canon examples. How did Yu & Rei die? What is the deal with [[GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere Black Popoi]]? What did the demon inside Klug's book do to deserve being sealed in a book? Does Ms. Accord know more then she lets on?
[[WMG/PuyoPuyo Has its own page]].
16th Aug '17 3:11:41 PM Gouken20xx
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*** Notably, The most popular boss in VideoGame/SonicMania is a remake of the first ''Puyo Puyo'', in the form of the aforementioned ''Mean Bean Machine''. Yes, Even with Sonic fans, They LOVE Puyo Puyo.


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*** For VideoGame/SonicMania, there's a partial remake of VideoGame/DrRobotniksMeanBeanMachine... as one of the bosses, and it's been ADORED by the Sonic fanbase for it's originality and gameplay.


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** The recent anniversary games, VideoGame/SonicMania and VideoGame/SonicForces, attempt to correct that with a simple thing... Sonic Mania includes a basic port of Puyo Puyo, and the custom hero includes Puyo Puyo Tetris items. And the Sonic fanbase are raving about this "new" puzzle game... and, unlike when ''Mean Bean Machine'' originally released, Puyo Puyo fans can take them aside and suggest the genuine article!
16th Aug '17 7:29:52 AM ALuigiMadeofCosmos
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** Black Sig and Red Amitie are often considered to be the most overpowered characters in ''Quest'' thanks to their Skills. They have a variation of the Sage Series's Leader Skill (increases Attack based on how many different colours are in the second to five members of the deck and in the hiree card) that ''also'' increases HP (so that they do not become {{Glass Cannon}}s), and their Active Skills are not slouches either (increases Attack for one turn, based on how many colours are in the first five members of the deck and in the hiree card, to a limit of 3.5x). With both skills ''alone'', you can get an Attack boost of 6.5x... which stack with everything else that may be active, such as Prism Balls, which grants damage based on the card's Attack stat multiplied when cleared; combination boosts; a Sage/Red Amitie/Black Sig/Yellow Satan/Vigorous Draco hiree, etc. With a merely decent deck you can rack up ''millions'' of damage, and have mass attack skills that hit on the range of 500,000 damage without even trying.

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** The as-of-yet unnamed Puyo Fest Magic School series (as of the time of this writing comprised of Black Sig and Sig, Red Amitie and Gallant Lidelle) are often considered to be the most overpowered characters in ''Quest'' thanks to their Skills. They have a variation of the Sage Series's Leader Skill (increases Attack based on how many different colours are in the second to five members of the deck and in the hiree card) that ''also'' increases HP (so that they do not become {{Glass Cannon}}s), and their Active Skills are not slouches either (increases Attack for one turn, based on how many colours are in the first five members of the deck and in the hiree card, to a limit of 3.5x). With both skills ''alone'', you can get an Attack boost of 6.5x... which stack with everything else that may be active, such as Prism Balls, which grants damage based on the card's Attack stat multiplied when cleared; combination boosts; a Sage/Red Amitie/Black Sig/Yellow Satan/Vigorous Draco hiree, etc. With a merely decent deck you can rack up ''millions'' of damage, and have mass attack skills that hit on the range of 500,000 damage without even trying.
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